Supe up 2.0L Auto M3

[RagingMazSter]

is it possible to supe up a 2.0L Automatic M3??

[nate0123]

I'd have to say... (yupnope)

[insanoman2005]

no t true...i'd say....not just yet!! 2.0L motors have a lot of neat stuff coming out for them soon.

[RagingMazSter]

think i can put some cold intake in a 2.0L Auto Tranny?

[nate0123]

I think matty should make a SC for the 2.0 mz3, don't you think so, insanoman?

[Matthew]

im sure you can. beau from MAM is going to have a turbo for this car out soon, but you would have to run low boost levels with an auto tranny.

[nate0123]

think i can put some cold intake in a 2.0L Auto Tranny?(yes)

as long as you buy the right one

[nate0123]

intake, exhaust, header, all good for auto

[RagingMazSter]

i dont think they have any parts for 2.0L yet...im looking so hard for them

[insanoman2005]

I heard he's already started on fitting it in the 3i.

[RagingMazSter]

i should have gotten a 2.3 Manual... but i didnt have enough money... :(

[nate0123]

but once you spend the money to "supe" up the 2.0 auto you could have

[RagingMazSter]

man now i regret it...i shuold have waited and get the M3 GT

[nate0123]

meh, just be happy with what you got, you'd probably wind up wanting to modify the 2.3 anyway, so that would be even more money

(eekdance) (sings the theme to the apprentice) (eekdance)

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

yup i regret getting a auto. Im trading it in sometime in march for a rsx-s manual (birthday) cant wait...

[RagingMazSter]

good call...im focusing on my M3 2.0L Auto Tranny... WOOT WOOTT!

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

The aem will fit on our 2.0 but will need to do some modifications to fit the auto so it wont hit the bolt on the trannny.

[RagingMazSter]

wats the diff between cold air intake and air intake?

[Matthew]

depends. air intake describes cold and ram air intakes, where CAI (cold air intake) is being specific obviously. im assuming you are asking because one site listed intake and one site listed cold air intake. frankly, i doubt you would notice a difference between either one. i have owned both types, and noticed ZERO difference.

[RagingMazSter]

i see thanx for tha info

[Matthew]

np

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

how faster is the manual compared to the auto?

[nate0123]

about a second difference to 60 or 1/4 mile (dunno)

[pdhaudio83]

Just wait, there is always too much time before aftermarket support follows :(

[Da 6]

one of our 2.0l 6 members has sucessfully installed the 2.3 header and cut to fit his aem. the header I can say is feasable but the intake I'd say 3s injen was last known to not touch the return bolt of atx trannys. As for other stuff...Someone needs to take the inititive(if they already didn't) and grab a fsm like our 6tech guys. They show parts layouts and that way you can say catback "A" will fit both cars cause from bolt X to bolt Y they are both same part #s.

[nate0123]

one of our 2.0l 6 members has sucessfully installed the 2.3 header and cut to fit his aem. the header I can say is feasable but the intake I'd say 3s injen was last known to not touch the return bolt of atx trannys. As for other stuff...Someone needs to take the inititive(if they already didn't) and grab a fsm like our 6tech guys. They show parts layouts and that way you can say catback "A" will fit both cars cause from bolt X to bolt Y they are both same part #s.they made a 2.0L Mazda6? (uhm)

[insanoman2005]

how would a 2.3L header (sits in the rear of the engine bay) fit on a 2.0L motor (front of engine)??? this is just a bs post.

[wongpres]

they made a 2.0L Mazda6? (uhm)
2.3l is smallest in N. American market. But in some markets there are even 1.8l Mazda6's.

[mp3moose]

Didn't know bmw put a 2.0 in the m3.

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

hmmmm did they?

[wongpres]

Alright folks, no need to get into BMW references here. M3 is not a correct term to describe the Mazda3, but we're on a Mazda forum so we all understand what the poster really means. We've had many threads being significantly diverted off topic because one member makes a certain BMW reference. At most, just PM that member and suggest to them a more proper acronym, but lets keep the thread on-topic.

[mp3moose]

Just showing that it is incorrect to call it an m3. No reason for anyone to get flustered.

[Da 6]

2.0 is overseas mater fact that awd bs on speed 6 was stolen from a 2.0 mazda 6 wagon in europs somewhere and speed 3 also grabed parts from it too for its awd. Best of my knoledge the 2.0 in the 3 is a rear exiting 2.0 right? Have to confirm it's the exact same 2.0 cause the 2.3 engine block I know(and after manny threads links and fsm coverage) is universal. even citd 2.3 and jdm 2.3 have same block but some internals and pcm difrences alow them to run 91 and up for atenza and axela models or disel for disel models. PCM From JDM swaps are unknown at this time and I don't think I can get a 3rd engine from mazda if I experimented so cross me off the gunea pig list. If the atx tranny is same as our 2.3 for both 2.3 and 2.0 then there is a super tranny out there that is bulletproof but you loose automode. that tranny also runs $4k and that doesn't include instal. I'll scan for that link again. But yeah FSM will answer most Q's. Also this is a mazda 6 PDF. but the 2.3 "MZR" and Maybe the 2.0 was snatched from our cars and put in to yours. http://www.mazda6tech.com/images/enginehighlights.pdf Right click and save as ;) right click save as isn't cause of bandwith issue but cause this wil louc your browser if tou try opening it straigt from the link! also L3=mazda6 2.3 AJ=Mazda63.0(V6) so disregard AJ unless you get bored and want to read :)

[AzMz3]

The header on both the 2.0L and 2.3L are at the rear of the engine. And are probally the same. There is not that many differences to the 2 engines.
And most parts will work for both engines. Headers, exhaust and intakes.

[mp3moose]

^hmm, I doubt they are the same. The location is similar, but the manifold has to be different.

[AzMz3]

^hmm, I doubt they are the same. The location is similar, but the manifold has to be different.

Why does the manifold "have" to be different?

[TuRbOtEcTicS]

what are some mods that people done with their 2.0's?

[Super Matty P]

I'd like to see a picture of the 2.0l's engine bay if possible. Anyone have one?

[Da 6]

Why does the manifold "have" to be different? normaly we (AzMz3) NEVER agree but this time I do...why would the engine placement and header be 100% difrent? I know the mounts are due to the fact the 2.0 is being placed into a 3.0 engine bay but other than that and pcm. We have a member with 2.0 and no exhaust leaks sucessfully bolt up a draxas uncoated header with only the stock heatshield removal being a problem. If you get a header get coated so you won't need to heat wrap it.

[mp3moose]

The engine placement is probably similar, but most engines have unique bolt patterns on both sides. Mind you, I have never seen the bay of either motor nor do I have specs. However, the fs motor is a good example. The 2.0 is just a stroked version of the 1.8 and they require different headers.

[Da 6]

The 2.0 is the same 2.0. The 2.0 uses the 2.3 aftermarket intakes and headers. my only question is if the mounting alows the clearance of the header that "Will" bolt up to exhaust port side of block. Unless he wants to trade in a loose then do what you can

[AzMz3]

The engine placement is probably similar, but most engines have unique bolt patterns on both sides. Mind you, I have never seen the bay of either motor nor do I have specs. However, the fs motor is a good example. The 2.0 is just a stroked version of the 1.8 and they require different headers.


Unique bolt patterns on both side? What are you talking about?

[Super Matty P]

I'm still lost without a picture of a 2.0L Mazda3 engine bay.

Last I checked the 3i used the same fs-de that the 3rd gen pro's used only with VVT and a better ecu tune....

the 2.3L's are backwards from this meaning the exhaust manifold is in the back of the engine bay.

Unless they have made an all new 2.0L engine where the exhaust is in the rear then there is no way the 2.3L header will fit on a 2.0L motor (fs-de). I looked at the .pdf listed above and it doesn't show anything 100% clearly but I did see an engine block that had the exhaust listed as "front of car"....that would be how it is on the fs-de protege engines...

someone HAS to have a pic of a 2.0L 3i engine bay....

[AzMz3]

I'm still lost without a picture of a 2.0L Mazda3 engine bay.

Last I checked the 3i used the same fs-de that the 3rd gen pro's used only with VVT and a better ecu tune....

the 2.3L's are backwards from this meaning the exhaust manifold is in the back of the engine bay.

Unless they have made an all new 2.0L engine where the exhaust is in the rear then there is no way the 2.3L header will fit on a 2.0L motor (fs-de). I looked at the .pdf listed above and it doesn't show anything 100% clearly but I did see an engine block that had the exhaust listed as "front of car"....that would be how it is on the fs-de protege engines...

someone HAS to have a pic of a 2.0L 3i engine bay....

Yes the 2.0L is a new design. It is basicly the same as the 2.3L just a few differences. I have the Service Highlights Manual.

[Da 6]

yep 1.8 2.0 and 2.3 are the new breed unless the protege engine was 148 hp? 3.0 is basicly a taurus engine with extencive mods for vvt. He has manual then yeah...he's got the 2.0 pictures I couldn't pull up and was kinda hinting too earlier. just a q on the FS-DE is that front side dohc exittingexhaust?

[Super Matty P]

yes on the protege FS-de the exhaust exits in the front of the motor. I can't imagine creating an all new 2.0L motor when they've had one that works so well for almost 10 years and all they'd have to do is add VVT....and also, the fs-de makes 130bhp...adding VVT and re-tuning the ECU will EASILY give 148bhp.

you're gonna have to get that picture to me soon or I'm going to my mazda dealer and get some pics...if they'll let me remove all of that shitty plastic cover.

[AzMz3]

yes on the protege FS-de the exhaust exits in the front of the motor. I can't imagine creating an all new 2.0L motor when they've had one that works so well for almost 10 years and all they'd have to do is add VVT....and also, the fs-de makes 130bhp...adding VVT and re-tuning the ECU will EASILY give 148bhp.

you're gonna have to get that picture to me soon or I'm going to my mazda dealer and get some pics...if they'll let me remove all of that shitty plastic cover.


I wouldn't say the th FS-de worked so well compared to these new engines. The duratec brand is far better then what the old protege's used. And this engine is used in the Mazda3, Mazda6 and the Ford Focus....maybe some others too.

[Super Matty P]

you're arguing semantics when I'm trying to point out that Mazda has used the fs- series engine for almost 10 years....it obviously worked well enough.

Just fyi, the 3.0L duratec engine in the 6S is a great engine but worst in it's class when compared to others so what is your point??

[Da 6]

3.0 untuned runs pig fawkin rick...cp-e maz customizer fixed that issue. The V6 on stock michelins handles worse than our 2.3 cause of the added 100 lbs over the front wheels. a fwd v6 is a bad idea IMHO! rwd would have made this car even better and for them to make the speed 6 100:0 and 50:50 whenever the car felt it needed was the worst idea ever...I'll leave that to another post in 6 section ;) 2.0 is 148 without vvt....since we found someone with book you can ask if 2.0 has counter rotaing balance shafts as well...I beleve he's refering to the 3 6 and focus as in the Duratec 2.3 block...

[Brian MP5T]

is it possible to supe up a 2.0L Automatic M3??You could put a turbo on a Weed-Whacker, I would have to say yes, but it will be a long and irritating road...

It took over 6 monthsto design and build this contraption...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/MP5T%202.jpg

[AzMz3]

you're arguing semantics when I'm trying to point out that Mazda has used the fs- series engine for almost 10 years....it obviously worked well enough.

Just fyi, the 3.0L duratec engine in the 6S is a great engine but worst in it's class when compared to others so what is your point??


Another FYI the Protege has not been best in it class, but the Mazda3 will be. Bottom line the new duratec brand engines 2.0L & 2.3L are steps ahead of the Fs-series. They are also mod friendly compared to the FS.

Besides what are you talking about now? I already stated that they are not the same engines! Sounds like you are taking offense because I said the new 2.0L engine is better...which it is.
Might wanna do some more research next time.


And the 2.0L does not have balance shafts.

[Super Matty P]

I'm waiting for someone/anyone to show me a picture of the new 2.0L engine...no'one has done this yet.

My only issue is that I find it REAL hard to believe that mazda is going add a 2.0L engine to it's new and scrap a design thats worked well for a decade. Now as far as I know the 2.0L in the 3i isn't a ztec or pzev engine so so I'm wanting to look at one to see exactly what mazda put in these cars.

p.s. Also with the 3 being a brand new model I can't fathom mazda trying to create a whole new engine for a whole new car when they HAVE to keep cost at a bare minimum. It doesn't make sense. If someone can just provide me with a picture of the engine bay of a 2.0L 3i without all of that plastic covering then we can solve this real quick.....I'm not saying I'm right just saying that it doesn't make sense.

[Super Matty P]

p.s. and I own both a prtege and a 3 so I could really care less which is "best in class". I enjoy both equally. My 3 for is great for sunday drives and my p5 is my track car. Best of both worlds.

[Da 6]

yes building a brand new engine from the ground=expencive but stealing alot of ford parts=not so expencive. pulling apart the engine will reveal alot of FoMoCo parts. hell the cartridge and o-rings are ford parts with a mazda sticker slapped over it ;) I hope I get a recent 2.3 cause the cartridge setup is $12 before oil.

[Super Matty P]

so arwe you saying for a 100% fact that the 2.0L engine used in the 3i is a Zetec motor? You're saying it's a duratec derivative and that would be the zetec. Is anyone with a 3i able to check their catalyst sticker and tell us what the engine code is??? This would fix everything...

[Da 6]

http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=6

[Super Matty P]

that link doesn't show any of the engine codes or designations for the 2.0L.

I got onto mazdausa and looked up the specs on the 2.0L and found that it has 10.1:1 compression as opposed to the 9.1:1 of the fs-de. They also refered to it as the "FDL". I'm not sure if thats the new engine code or designation for the engine with higher compression.

This would be SO much easier if someone with a 3i would just post a few pics of their engine bay and their catalyst sticker....

[AzMz3]

The 2.0L is a brand new engine used in the Ford Focus, Mazda3 and Mazda6. It is not the Fs-series, it is not the zetec. It is a newly designed duratec engine. It makes perfect sense to dump old technology and go with newer and better, especially since it is used in many cars thoughout the world. The "new" 2.0L and the 2.3L share most or the same parts. In which most of the aftermart parts will work for both Mazda3's as they do with both Ford Focus. And no that does not mean the Focus exhaust and intake will fit the Mazda3.
I feel like I posted this already!

And if you don't care what car is best of class don't bring it up. Do some research and quite wanting people to do it for you.

[Super Matty P]

like my balls kid.

If it's a new motor thats cool. I just wanted to see a picture of it.

p.s. i love your quoted power numbers when you've not dyno'd yet. Those seat-o-the-pants dyno's are 100% accurate!

[AzMz3]

like my balls kid.

If it's a new motor thats cool. I just wanted to see a picture of it.

p.s. i love your quoted power numbers when you've not dyno'd yet. Those seat-o-the-pants dyno's are 100% accurate!


Not only do you need to do your own research but learn how to read, those are my stock dyno numbers..KID So yes I have dyno'd my car and plan to again very soon!
Just stating that the AEM has not been dyno'd yet.

I swear if I could bottle up common sense I'd be rich!

[Da 6]

are you 2 gonna be ok? the link i provided is basicly the cliff notes of the 1.8 2.0 and 2.3 VVT(S-VT) Cardomain might have a 3i with hood poped but it looks almost like a 2.3 from valve cover and engine cover sake. AzMz3 were the engines shipped in the 3's all black plastic valve covers?

[Super Matty P]

i'm cool....if it's a new engine based on the 2.3L and not the fs-de thats all I needed to know. I just wanted to see pics of it to be sure.

[Brian MP5T]

Wow, What a shitstorm in here.

[NordicM3]

Heres one pic of the 3i engine with the one piece off (http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?fg=FFFFFF&bg=330099&migration=1&image=http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/9/web/597000-597999/597383_7_full.jpg)

this guy says he has an AEM intake in it, i think i see it (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/128871)

(dark)

[Da 6]

yep 2nd pict aem....aem comes in chrome red and blue...now the 1st picture I have no clue WTF that was...not shure look like a flashlight! I'l try and find our members picts w/o engine cover...

[Super Matty P]

no it's ok. I was proven wrong and I accept it.

[Da 6]

thing looks too much just like our 2.3

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/346000-346999/346706_61_full.jpg
More picts of the engine and his 2.3 header install on to his 2.0 here is his cardomain page (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/346706/28)


no it's ok. I was proven wrong and I accept it. Shit happens don't lose sleep over it...

AzMz3..this is what our 2.3 valve cover looks like...my Q was if your 2.3s all have black valve covers...

[NordicM3]

isnt some kind of oil filter, another pic has something that looks a plastic hose of some sort, probably part of a cover. reminds me of a funky mushroom (hippy)

[hyck]

and btw the 2.0l engine in the 3i doesn't have a VVT

[K Dawg ONE]

And ill throw my $0.02 in here...the FS-DE is not the greatest motor...
Any Mazda fan will know that the tried tested and true Protege motor is none other than the BP series!!!!