mazda sport speed exhaust muffler on ebay - any idea?

[Cloudland]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7932031116&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

it quoted part number 0000-8m-c10, is it an OEM item? it looks different from the stock one. anyone tried it before? thanks!

[mountjonas]

it's exactly that. it's the mazdaspeed sport exhaust for the p5 that you can get from the dealer. i've got it. it's pretty nice, although it drones a bit around 3500 rpm. what i do like is that it fills the exhaust cut out in the bumper perfectly. i'm not sure if it's to long for your rear bumper, though. unless your bumper is the same as the usdm ones.

[Cloudland]

woo thanks! i'd also like to see a muffler fill the cut out, but not so confident with those cheaky replicas. when U say it drones a bit around 3500 rpm, how about other ranges? does it sound nice but not too aggressive (at other than 3500rpm)?

oh, is it a direct bolt-off bolt-on job? thanks!

[mountjonas]

i don't have any problem with it until i hit about 75mph. there's a point around 70mph where you can't here it, but it get's pretty loud from there. not annoying loud, just loud. it's a nice deep tone, not buzzy at all. here's a pic of it installed on my car.

http://homepage.mac.com/jonathanmontemayor/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2004-10-08%2011.07.15%20-0700/Image-4A561C34195411D9.jpg

[iLisa]

that is the exhaust I have on my 5.. and that is a good price because they retail for like $229ish..

[Cloudland]

sounds great...

thanks!

[01bluemp3]

Here are pics of the same rear section on my MP3

Frank

[iLisa]

Mine. :D

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Lisakay/muffler/107_0707.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Lisakay/muffler/107_0701.jpg

[01bluemp3]

did you have to shorten the pipe from the can to the tip, or did it come like that. I know mine is a whole lot longer. maybe they made 2, one for sedan and another for the wagon.

Frank

[Cloudland]

oh man! the stock muffler looks pathetic.

judging from the photo, it would fit on my LHD SP20. is it difficult to diy? the bolts seems hiding a bit deep.

[iLisa]

I have the one that was made specifically for the 5.. no cutting involved! :)

[Protephile]

did you have to shorten the pipe from the can to the tip, or did it come like that. I know mine is a whole lot longer. maybe they made 2, one for sedan and another for the wagon.

Frank

Yes, the sedan and 5 are different. The P5 tailpipe is shorter.

[mountjonas]

i think the new zealand sp20 has an even shorter bumper than the usdm one so if you did get it, you still might have to chop a bit off the extension before the tip. otherwise, it's two bolts and took me less than 10 minutes to do it (with a lift and airt tools).

[iLisa]

10 min if the rust isn't that bad.. mine was horrible..

[protege02]

you can get it at mazdastuff for 149 sharp and they deliver really fast also. its also a new one, so why buy a used one. just thought u wanted to know. i have a es with it on. i would recommend, it sounds really nice too. pics are at http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/490634

[LASERBLUE135]

It is loud, but I love it, the other one was way quiet. Just don't get it if it would annoy you on the freeway, at 70 mph...you know its there

[MP05]

I just bought the greddy evo two and i love it, because its not to loud. I have heard that the mazda speed is really loud, but hey you get what you pay for. You spend $500.00 you get a good sound.

[Cloudland]

thanks protege02. the auction was finished but the seller was kind enough to offer me another one @ $139, also a very low $40s shipping to new zealand (economy, takes longer than a month though).

thanks laserblue, 70MPH is about the highest i can get legally on the highway here, anything beyond 110KM will result in a ticket.

thanks mp05, can't afford those ones, although kinda like them.

[Cloudland]

i think the new zealand sp20 has an even shorter bumper than the usdm one so if you did get it, you still might have to chop a bit off the extension before the tip. otherwise, it's two bolts and took me less than 10 minutes to do it (with a lift and airt tools).
ahh!!! U r absolutely right!

nz sp20 is 4280 mm in length, or 168.5 inches

P5 is 170.5 inches in length, or 4331 mm.

there would be a 5 cm difference (wow)

anyone knows where this 5 cm come from? all on the rear bumper or split between the read and front?

P5 is also slightly higher(!?)

all other dimension figures are the same between P5 and sp20, wheelbase, track, etc.

[Cloudland]

the height might be something to do with the roof rack mount thingy in the states. but length... the pics say for themselves.

Protege 5 Butt - sorry this pic came from somewhere or someone but i can't remember.
http://www.cloudworld.net/temp/p5butt.jpg


SP 20 Butt
http://www.cloudworld.net/temp/sp20butt.jpg

[iLisa]

http://www.cloudworld.net/temp/p5butt.jpg


that is protegev car.. he lives in maryland..


also, coolest thing...
I went to the grocery store the other night and pulled into my spot and got out. The "buggy guy" standing at the front door to help you with groceries asked me what I had on my car.. it really caught me off guard so I was like, you mean the exhaust? He said yeah... and I told him that I have the mazdaspeed exhaust with the AEM intake... he was impressed with the sound. :D

[Protege52003]

Yes, the sedan and 5 are different. The P5 tailpipe is shorter.sedan is about 5 inches longer. i had the sedan pipe for my 01' ES and had to chop a piece off of the tail extension to fit my P5. looks nice and is loud/dronning above 3k.

[Cloudland]

here is a link of the stock and the mazdaspeed mufflers, clear pics.

http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/spider48/Protege/Exhaust.shtml

[Cloudland]

sedan is about 5 inches longer. i had the sedan pipe for my 01' ES and had to chop a piece off of the tail extension to fit my P5. looks nice and is loud/dronning above 3k.
do U mean chop off a piece and re-weld the tip? did U have a shop to do that? how much does it cost? thanks!

[Protege52003]

do U mean chop off a piece and re-weld the tip? did U have a shop to do that? how much does it cost? thanks!
$20 at a local muffler shop....did a clean job. Weld has over 38K on it! They cut it about 2 inches after it comes out of the muffler then took five inches off the end piece, then re-welded it back. Took under 30 mins....

[Cloudland]

$20 at a local muffler shop....did a clean job. Weld has over 38K on it! They cut it about 2 inches after it comes out of the muffler then took five inches off the end piece, then re-welded it back. Took under 30 mins....
thanks, that's a good news.

[davens]

1. I wish the Protege version filled the cutout as well the Protege5 version
2. I bought the right one for my LX...
Since I spend the better part of 60 miles roundtrip on the freeway, I didn't like the aforementioned droning. So I put one of these in:
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/cci-3d102r.jpg
...except mine is the two disk model meant for racing. It doesn't restrict flow, just disrupts resonant waves in the exhaust. It was just enough to cancel the droning without impacting flow.
Now it sounds great...not much louder then stock, just a deeper tone. The only time it betrays it's nature is in-gear, off throttle coasting...it gets a little "boomy".

[Cloudland]

looks similar to silencers and should work the same way. interesting. how much does it cost? how did U just "put" it in (the tube)? thanks.

[davens]

It's about $40 from Summit.
I slipped it into the pipe right before the muffler and put 4 little tack welds to hold it in place.

It's the same concept but different from silencers in a couple important ways:
the discs are perforated, not solid
the through pipe is severely fluted, not smooth

[coldie123]

Hey Cloudland,
I'm planning on getting a catback from the US too. Thanks for doing all this research for us aussies :D I also had a feeling that the P5 exhausts would stick out a bit on the SP20 due to our shorter bumpers. Have you installed your muffler yet? Any pics? I wanna see how much it actually sticks out...
cheers!
p.s. the p5 bumper looks so much better than ours!

[Cloudland]

Hi coldie123

i chose economy post which takes at least 4 to 6 weeks. and i doubt it might take longer then that. however, the guy at ebay and i did measured the tip - from the end of the tip to the body of the muffler, my stock muffler on the SP20 has 5 cm, American P5 has 7 cm, the Mazdaspeed has 8 cm. we didn't measure the distance from the body to the hanger, it looks on the Mazdaspeed the distance is also greated than on SP20.

this link might help to visually check the difference - yes the P5's rear bumper looks better, and should work better in case of an impact.
http://temp.corvetteforum.net/c5/spider48/Protege/Exhaust.shtml

about Cats, most i saw don't have pre-weld hangers for P5, U might need a weld work anyway. U can ask them the length, say for the axle back, and do a measure on your car. i know this can be troublesome. i'll let U know as soon as i get my muffler.

[coldie123]

Hey, thanks for the info. I'm planning on getting the racing beat catback for the P5, so hopefully it should be a straight bolt on to the SP20.

[Cloudland]

update: got my muffler this morning, but i'm having a road trip today, and i havn't find a trolley jack yet. i'll see if i can install it in the weekends.

[altspace]

Damn it's been awhile for you. I purchased mine and it arrived in 5 days. Very easy to install.

[coldie123]

good stuff. how long did shipping take? be sure to post some pics once u have it on.

[Pesty]

I got mine from that same vendor, shipping was about 4 days after I ordered it and that was during the x-mas rush. (ordered the 22nd recieved the 26th).

That vendor listed at the top is a Mazda dealership. Great comunication (even if he did try to push a MS shift knob on me :D) Shipping was like $18 from Tenn. to Texas. They also have the MS axleback for the MP3's. All in all, I would buy from them again if they had something I needed or wanted.

[Cloudland]

yeah right, USPS website quoted 4~6 weeks of ground shipping to New Zealand, but it actually took 8 weeks, as a guy in OZ warned me of the Xmas and New Year holidays.

i'm waiting for a Eibach pro-kit, which also shipped via USPS ground. i guess it'd be 8 weeks plus. :(

the guy - nelsonmazdaparts is quite nice actually, he asked me if i was interested in other items but repeatedly mention that he's not being "pushy" but it could save me more with one shippment. He also threw in a cap with "mazdaspeed" stitching and a zoom-zoom decal. :)

i'll probably go get a cheap trolley jack and jack stands today and try my luck. still no idea if the tip would extend out like mad on my car - U guys in the state has a longer rear bumper if U wonder.

[Pesty]

Keep in mind that probably 7 of those 8 weeks are spent just sitting around in a customs warehouse waiting for the item to be checked, and the carrier has no control over how long it sits. It took 3-4 weeks for my TWM short shifter to make it down here from Canada via FedEx. I had the tracking number so I was watching it and all but one week it was just sitting in Albany, NY.

[Cloudland]

ugh i had a bad day.

went to local automotive parts store and saw this floor jack + jack stands combo for NZ$59, but they sold out. i went back home and find the locations of other stores but didn't take the highway, then i was 2 minutes too late for the last combo at another store. i crossed the bridge visited another store, again sold out. got 1 at the next store - i almost wanted to quit.

but this cheap combo is pretty shitty. the floor jack can only raise 33 cm at max, which is hardly enough for the lowest position on the jack stands.

anyway, the car is raised up a little bit, just enough for me to get under it. then these 2 screws are damn hard to remove. i sprayed some wd-40 and waited, but no effect. i used hammer on the socket, no use. i put some rugs on the handle of socket and pulled really hard under the car, the screws almost got rounded.

ugh i had to quit. and then this floor jack is so shitty, i need to use a flat head screw driver to turn the release valve - the manual says "very slowly" - anyway it's damn dangerous to operate.

damn it i'll probably have to find a shop to get rid of the screws.

btw, with a rough measure, the tip would extend almost 5 cm out of the rear bumper. havn't decided whether to cut it off a bit.

[blizzard]

Hey Cloudland,

I am sorry to hear that you have had so much frustration trying to install your new exhaust! I hope you get it figured out soon.

I have been following this thread, more to see if you were pleased with the products and service from nelsonmazdaparts. I am probably going to pick up one of those exhausts too, so I've been keenly keeping and eye on your posts!

I do have a question though, do you need a gasket or anything where the muffler bolts to the mid-pipe, or is it simply pull the old one off, and screw the new one on?

Good luck getting it installed!!

Cheers.

[Cloudland]

I do have a question though, do you need a gasket or anything where the muffler bolts to the mid-pipe, or is it simply pull the old one off, and screw the new one on?
thanks mate

a gasket and two nuts are included in the package, so the old ones can be discarded; and two bolts are welded on the muffler. so yes it's simply pull the old one off, and the new one on.

a simple instruction page is included, it should be straight forward job if U have the right tools, and a bit of luck with the old nuts n bolts.

nelsonmazdaparts seems to be pretty good. the guy even exchanged several emails concerning the length and bumper differences after the payment was made. quite helpful actually.

[blizzard]

thanks mate

a gasket and two nuts are included in the package, so the old ones can be discarded; and two bolts are welded on the muffler. so yes it's simply pull the old one off, and the new one on.

a simple instruction page is included, it should be straight forward job if U have the right tools, and a bit of luck with the old nuts n bolts.

nelsonmazdaparts seems to be pretty good. the guy even exchanged several emails concerning the length and bumper differences after the payment was made. quite helpful actually.

Thanks for that help! I'm on my way to eBay as we speak! Hopefully I'll have a new muffler soon!

Cheers.

PS Seen any orcs or oliphants recently? Sorry couldn't help myself - I was just watching the Return of the King added features with Peter Jackson. Man, New Zealand is beautiful I really hope to get down there one day (cool) .

[Cloudland]

PS Seen any orcs or oliphants recently? Sorry couldn't help myself - I was just watching the Return of the King added features with Peter Jackson. Man, New Zealand is beautiful I really hope to get down there one day (cool) .
orc? i'm one myself when eating. (laugh)

oh yes NZ is beautiful, great for road trips.

but we had a pretty gloomy summer in the last few weeks. the capital city was totally isolated (all roads blocked) for a while this morning due to heavy rain and flooding. don't come here now. ;)

[coldie123]

cloudland: try soaking the nut/bolt with wd40 4-5 times waiting 10mins in between to let it penetrate. have you tried using 6 point socket on a wrench with a long handle to get more leverage?
be careful to not round the nuts, otherwise you'll have to cut it off. i had a similar problem loosening a nut under the car when installing headers. i eventually got it loose using a pretty short box wrench(15cm?), but using my legs to push against a wall or something solid to get the power, while holding the wrench in my hands as still as possible to make sure it doesn't slip off the nut. good luck with it!

[coldie123]

hurry up and get it on so i can see what it looks like :P

[Cloudland]

cheers coldie, i tried wd40, i also tried use both arms with one leg kicking the tires to get a bit more leverage. man i was like a desperate shrimp. (bang) the shitty floor jack didn't give me much space to work.

i stopped because the nuts are just about to round. maybe it's because NZ is too damp?

i'll probably give it another try tomorrow if it's not raining. otherwise it'd be first thing Monday morning. sorry keep U waiting. (hand) anyway i'm pretty sure it'll stick out of my rear bumper for about 4~5 cm.

[coldie123]

hehe i was just joking... just try it again when you have time. and put more wd40 on it.
i know exactly how you feel tho... i've yet to install my eibachs after a couple of weeks coz i've stripped the sh*t out of a nut on my strut and still trying to figure out how to get it off safely without damaging the bolt. tried again today but it started raining just before i was gonna try cutting it off, so i called it quits and am gonna leave it for another day. my back is sore... :(

[Cloudland]

we should get air tools. :D

[altspace]

I used PB Blaster and soaked the bolts/nuts for two days. Basically just sprayed huge layers all over and around the bolt/nut area periodically. Then I slowly worked with pressure to free them.

http://www.pbblaster.com/store/images/PBCatalyst.gif

[coldie123]

yeah i've heard great things about pb blaster, but i haven't been able to find it anywhere in australia yet. do you know of any online stores that sell it and ship overseas?

[Cloudland]

cheers altspace, not sure if i can find this here.

and coldie, tried again today, used the stock scissors jack and jack stands in the cheap combo i bought, got more space to work with, with a longer handle on the socket. no luck at all. i'm afraid that the nut is one step closer to a perfect round shape.

will visit a local muffler shop tomorrow morning, hopefully it'd be a quick job for them.

[coldie123]

bugger! hope the muffler shop won't charge you too much for it. you gonna get them to cut the tip while you're there?
btw how old is your car? mines just over 3 yrs so i reckon my exhaust nuts are gonna be as stubborn as yours.

[Cloudland]

i'm a real stingy. i won't pay more then NZ$10 for the removal of 2 nuts. but who knows?

i'll probably won't cut it Monday morning, i'll see how it fits, at least take some pictures first. 5 cm might not be a biggy. i'll see.

mine is first registered in mid July 2001, that'd be 3.5 years, though just 25Ks on the clock now.

i'm waiting for my whiteline rear sway bar, now i'm really worried about the nuts involved. i'll probably try some crc next time. havn't spotted the pb blaster here.

[Cloudland]

long story short:
1, the shop took off the nuts in like 2 seconds with air tool
2, the shop put the muffler on and it looks ugly (extruding out)
3, the shop cut the tip and reweld it - damn i didn't notice they put the tip almost upside down.
4, total cost NZ$50
5, feeling? it's mixed.

here's some pictures:
P1100160.jpg - stock muffler look from above
P1100166.jpg - stock muffler and mazdaspeed side by side
P1100172.jpg - mazdaspeed sticks out by 5 cm
P1100174.jpg - another angle
P1100183.jpg - it got cutted - no return point!

[Cloudland]

more pictures:
P1100188.jpg - ugh i forgot to check the orientation of the tip
P1100196.jpg - welded
P1100197.jpg - now this looks much better
P1100199.jpg - side view
P1100201.jpg - inside the tip

[nate0123]

looks good (2thumbs)

how do you like the sound?

[Cloudland]

here comes the sound file

0 ~ 16 second stock muffler, first rev to 4k rpm, then twice about 6k

17 second afterwards mazdaspeed, same pattern as above.

the sound, i'd say it's a mixed feeling. the drone appears to happen at around high 3k to 4k rpm, after that it doesn't sounds much louder than stock.

i'll be heading airport in 10 minutes, will try it out on the highway.

[DeanSweet]

question I have is the drain hole at the end of the tip in the right place?

[Cloudland]

question I have is the drain hole at the end of the tip in the right place?
so that's the drain hole, ugh?

i'm afraid i'll have to drill one myself. that drain hole is facing up.

:(

[Cloudland]

ok, had a few run. so far i was a bit annoyed about the droning sound at 2000 rpm.

which means, cruise in town at around 50~60 KM/H (approx. 1500 ~ 1800 rpm), or cruise on highway at around 95~110 KM/H (approx 2500 ~ 3000 rpm), the muffler is about as quiet as the stock. there isn't too much difference.

but at around the 2000 rpm range, say 1900 ~ 2200 rpm, the droning sound is a bit annoying, and makes me feel that the car is actually slower - it's like the car is "trying" very hard but it's not pulling away that fast.
it sounds faster, but it feels slower.

the 2000 rpm mark is unavoidable during acceleration from stop. it makes city trip more "attracting".

heavy traffic on highway today, only tried a few times at the 3500~4000 rpm mark. i'd say the droning is less of concern then that at 2000 rpm.

i'll probably check this out
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1336880#post1336880

[altspace]

Let me know if you find something that fits the MS muffler.

[Cloudland]

had a quick chat with the shop just now.

first, they reckon they put it upside down on purpose, that's the only position that the tip will sit in the middle of the round hole on the rear bumper. and no NZ muffler has that drain hole. they'd drill one for me but they don't think it's necessary

secondly, they don't have the kind of silencer tube to put inside the muffler. the one we can buy off shelf here are those coming with big mufflers (i guess the common ones on ebay). i'll have to find some engieering people to make one if i really want to get rid of the 2000 rpm droning. ugh.

[coldie123]

hey mines july 2001 as well :)
damn i wish i had air tools...
thanks a lot for taking the pics. it looks really good with the tip shortened! shame about the droning tho.
bit dodgy about putting the tip on purposely upside down... they could've adjusted the hangers or bent the metal rods that go into the hanger a little to get a better fit.

[nate0123]

Yea, that sounds like some :bs: to me too.

[Cloudland]

right. i'm the kinda easy-going customer, every messy shop loves me.