Just Ordered My Cp-e Intake!!!!!

[colin949]

I think it's one of the best things out there as for modding a mazda6 check it out, cp-e.com or mazda6 tech.com or 6club.com. Everyone loves it plus almost 25 wheel horsepower!!! yayeah!!, i'll post pics when i get it in.

[CrazyXZac]

nice :)

[Brandon44]

I actually just bought my car and ordered one as well. Today I received the intake and the MAF-ci package. Unfortunelty this weekend some drunk ass slammed into my car and I have a feeling they are going to total it. So I will never feel the power. But if anyone else is interested it is still in the box un-opened and I will save some one some money. Plus there's like a 2 week waiting list for these because there so new. Definelty worth the money. Lucky you!!!!!!

[colin949]

noo way that is soo shitty, one of my good friends best friend had a sti parked and a drunk driver slammed into it and totalled it to, then he let him borrow his car the next day and outside his house a drunk driver slammed into his truck and totalled it to, stupid drunk drivers!!! sorry to hear about that hope you get another mazda6, or a car just as tyte!!

[FC3s Boy]

does it give a check engine light

[Brandon44]

Yeah let me know what it sounds like and what kind of difference it makes. 25 hp should make a big difference.

[crossbow]

No check engine light. Thats the point of the Mafci system. It corrects the maf voltage, and prevents the A/F mix from going lean during closed loop fuel modes. Thus preventing the P0171 and P0174 cels.

Its about 20 ft/lbs more torque (across almost the entire band) and about 20-25 more whp. Its not so much an intake, as a "chip and intake".

Here's the CP-E FAQ for more information.
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about1009.html

[colin949]

brandon just check *************** or mazda6tech, there is tons of vidoes of it, its a great mod!! let you know more when i install mine.

[CrazyXZac]

does it give a check engine light

can you post pics of your wagon :)

[CrazyXZac]

pics afta install? what is the product exactly? i wanna check it out? (cool)

[colin949]

go to cp-e.com its an intake system with a chip that tunes the air to fuel ratio better, which in turn gives more horsepower than all the other intakes out there.

[crzygosu87]

hey brandon44 i miite be interested in buying it from u...how much is one of those systems and does it require professional installation? my e-mail ish jbson87@gmail.com, if u can e-mail me da info for the product please.thanks..tyte ass stuff (rockon)

[mp5jeff]

those dynos = bs, 1st off the stock runs have HUGE dips in them near where the "peak" hp of the mod is over the stock hp, looks to me like they either a)lifted off the throttle, or b) bsed the dyno to look like that, also if it changes A/F ratios, wouldn't it be very important to SHOW that on the dynos???

[colin949]

i am gunna have to disagree i've whached the videos it totally changes the 6 from weak to a complete beast, sound and power wise!! As for pricing it's 530 for the entire kit, and from the power increase it's damn worth the money. You can install it your self it comes with pin point intructions so you shouldn't have any problems, and why would you want to take it to be professionally installed when you would have a lot more satisfaction knowing that you installed that bitch yourself, just my opinion, the intake is a must have for the mazda6

[colin949]

Watch the videos theres a bunch of them on mazda6 and tech.com it will explain all!!

[colin949]

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/stockhp.gif

[colin949]

that dyno is of an automatic 6s with the injen intake and the cp-e customiser which fixes the cel and adds more power, a automatic always dynos lower than a manual, and at stock they dynoed a manual at 178 believe able i think so. the cpe intake adds would be right at 200 horsepower spiking at 206

[crzygosu87]

ok wow...i dont really understand everything you guys are talking about hahaha the CP-E system seems really expensive..i dont dink i can afford dat shiit lol how much ish da Injen CAI system? would it still be worth its money too hab at least dat installed? i dunt wanna spend more than 300 .... (band)

[crzygosu87]

lol i juss added da band "smilie face" thingy juss fo da heck of it lool looked tyte

[crzygosu87]

actually how much do cai's usually cost ?? estimate? and ish da AEM or Injen CAI better? damn...i need to know more lol

[crossbow]

FAQ AGAIN
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about1009.html

Its about 540 USD...adds more power then intake, headers, downpipe, and exhausts (combined) on most cars.

Think of the CP-E not as an intake...but as a tuned PCM chip, that happens to also have an intake pipe.

[FC3s Boy]

can you post pics of your wagon :)
pics

[colin949]

http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about1009.html theres a link to your thing thats some good info crossbow,4 hours sorry no disrespect, so do you have the system on yours or what?

[crossbow]

Ya its on mine, just put it on two days ago. I'll post impressions after I've had it on for a week. Right now I'm just terrified of the freaking car...power increase = scary.

[colin949]

Ya its on mine, just put it on two days ago. I'll post impressions after I've had it on for a week. Right now I'm just terrified of the freaking car...power increase = scary. DAMN, Tell me about the install what should i expect from this? any difficulties or anything?

[crossbow]

Takes about 2-3 hours...and you need to take your time and have plenty of light. Other then that, its just slow careful work, checking, double checking, and triple checking your work.

Then its just trying to figure out how to shift the car without leaving a trail of rubber on the ground.

[colin949]

haha thanx for the info I can't wait!!! GEt driving so we can hear your impressions....

[crzygosu87]

is there anything cheaper than the cp-e unit that has as good dyno results? or anything better?

[colin949]

nope nothing, the injen gives good results and you can still get a cp-e customiser for just the injen by itself and it will give you good power, but still not as much as the who cp-e intake system, go with the injen if money is an issue, be prepared though for the check engine light which will most likely come on, and the only way to get ride of it is to buy a customiser from cp-e which will add more horsepower to your car and elimate the cell completely!! Thats why i am saying if you got the money go with the whole cp-e intake system you will get the most for you money, and be happy.

[crzygosu87]

so the cp-e intake system is basically providing the intake system and then the customizer chip or w/e it is right? so i can still purchase the CAI riite now and buy the chip thingy later on when i get the money and install it then?

[colin949]

yes you can

[crossbow]

As dyno'd by various members on the forums. (all of this is covered in that giant faq that was link spammed to you about 8 times)

Injen Alone (250ish)
8.5 peak whp
8.8 peak ft/lbs

Injen + CP-E (250+250)
15.8 peak hp
12.8 peak ft/lbs

CP-E/CP-E (540)
20-25 peak whp
20 peak ft/lbs

These are 6 member dyno's, and not manufacturer dynos. (Thus the injen is alot less then they claim)

You can't buy the CP-E intake and then buy the chip later...the car won't run without the chip due to the pipe design. You can however buy the injen intake, then buy the injen fix mafci later...you'll have have a 95% chance of a check engine light without the Mafci.

FAQ's "Again"

CAI, Short Ram, Intake FAQ
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about25.html

CP-E Intakes and Mafci FAQ
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about1009.html

[crzygosu87]

yah ive seen that couple times alrdy now lol...sry bout dat

[crzygosu87]

anyone recommend any good mufflers?

[colin949]

magaflows sound very good in my opinion and give decent gains

[crossbow]

Magnaflows don't give any gains. Those who have dyno'd have shown no difference over stock catbacks. Its just aesthetic/sound.

Magnaflow "claimed" 6 hp and 8 ft/lbs...but never ponied up the dyno when it was requested. Considering the primary restrictions on the 6s exhaust are far before it ever reaches the catback, its no wonder most people don't notice any difference.

If you put a 3 inch diameter pipe on the end of a 2 inch diameter hose...do you flow more water?

[colin949]

So, what your saying is we really need a downpipe from the engine to the catback

[crzygosu87]

so basically said...exhaust systems dont provide performance based benefits right? just for the sound?

[colin949]

I personally have read all the reviews on the boards about the magaflows and a lot of people said it did show a different i think it does do something just not as much as an intake or or a big mod, you won't see 25 wheel horsepower but maybe it might be 6 flywheel horsepower, and not at the wheels, I am not sure though. At best it a really good sound mod, and adds more to the top end!!

[crossbow]

Nope...actually some of the dyno's have shown LESS power. Most people think it makes a difference because of the sound. Its louder, so it must be faster right?

Once again, think about my example earlier. You've got a 2.25 inch hose, and add a 3 inch hose to the end of it. Is the air flowing out of the hose any faster? The stock mufflers are not a restriction because the flow is divided. We've got a false dual exhuast. 2 pipes to 1 pipe to 2 pipes.

Here's a shot of the exhaust...one look at this convaluted mess, and you realize why catbacks do absolutely nothing.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/scans/exhaust/6sexhaust.gif

The catback is actually the "LEAST" restrictive part of the whole exhaust.

Two inefficent cast iron exhaust manifolds with a precat on each one, plus a whole hella lotta stupid bends...giant dents in the pipe (from the machines which mounted the pipes) followed by some sort of "pre resonator", finishing with two main cat's.

And thats before you get to the two mufflers and the main pipe/resonator.

Replace the manifolds with headers, the two main cats with a single highflow cat...THEN the restriction will be at the catback. Wagners current header development is promising some excellent torque gains, and should be done in the next few months.

Based on the available dyno's, and the # of magnaflows being resold (people getting rid of them and yet still owning the car). I'd say they give about a 2-3 hp MAX gain...about the same you'd get from swapping your transaxle and engine oil to full synthetics.

[crzygosu87]

haha thanks for the info...so our dual exhausts are basically from the same pipe right? ive seen dual exhausts that extend throughout the entire length of da car separately ....maybe im wrong? :confused:

[crossbow]

Ya. We don't have a dual exhaust. We have a single exhaust, that has a Y-split at the end, so everyone "thinks" we have a dual exhaust. You can see where the two pipes collect at #3.

Its a waste of money, weight, and efficency...which is why I'm going to be running a single 2.5 pipe back with a single muffler. You could run a true dual setup...but the piping would look rather pathetic...around 1.5-1.75 for each pipe and it wouldn't really be that much more efficent then just a single pipe...it is only a 3.0 liter v6 after all...and NA at that.

[seanmcsean]

yeah if you ran a true dual on the 2.3, it would probably sound like running an air hose through a folgers can. honestly I wish mazda had gone with a single pipe instead of the y split pseudo-dual exhaust. it would probably make modding it just a bit easier.

[Brandon44]

Hey crzygosu there a pair of one week old old magnaflow cat back exhaust on ebay right now for $ 300 bucks. You might want to check it out. Item number # 7933972501.

[crzygosu87]

aiite thanks

[colin949]

well it will for sure sound better than the stock mufflers, you can't even hear it!!!

[colin949]

got my intake today, putting it on right now. I will let you know how it all turns out!!

[colin949]

All i can say is i am in love with this intake it's seriously the sweetest thing ever

[pdhaudio83]

i made an intake too, its $1000 but i dynoed it and it adds 155whp.

[timba24]

i made an intake too, its $1000 but i dynoed it and it adds 155whp.
dumbass this is more than just an intake I hope you know

[colin949]

well all i got to say if anyone who has a mazda6 and is reading this right now should really consider the intake if they want to mod their car, it's seriously the coolest thing ever, it gives you a lot more power, good sound, almost elimates the clutch grapping problem from the start where people talk about needing to ground the throttle body, it just is pure sex to drive, i am love it, thanx cp-e, what a great product!!!!

[colin949]

what the hell one last time BEST INTAKE EVER

[crossbow]

Sounds like the protege guys are insanely jealous that we get 20 whp and 20 more wft/lbs from a bolt on intake and simple A/F tuning. Btw someone just ran a 14.1 in the 1/4 with a 6...without spraying. :)

[pdhaudio83]

Sounds like the protege guys are insanely jealous that we get 20 whp and 20 more wft/lbs from a bolt on intake and simple A/F tuning. Btw someone just ran a 14.1 in the 1/4 with a 6...without spraying. :)simple A/F tuning- you guys tune your own car, or are you talking about the "mystery" black box that doesn't know your setup and just cheats the ECU?

[ELEmental59437]

LMFAO! this thread kicks ass!

[pdhaudio83]

BEST THREAD EVAR.

simply the best.

[ELEmental59437]

I bought an intake, it claims to double the HP... It was only $4025!! what a STEAL! I sold my shitty intake becuse it TOOK AWAY TORQUE.. Viva La Tornado Fuel Saver!!!!

[colin949]

hey crossbow what car ran a 14.1, what were the mods?, that is really awesome!!

[crossbow]

6s MTX with various mods. Will probably post slip and video later this week, estimating high 13's with the CP-E combo.

Necessity must really be pissing off the msp's everytime he passes them at VIR :).

You know instead of being all "tornado wow! Body kit yay! Grounding kit super ultra offsensive power attack!" you msp guys could just contact cp-e. They are looking for a car to setup a system on.
info@cp-e.com

http://www.cp-e.com

Phone:
Sales: Josh Adams (410) 703-9365
Tech Support: Anthony Messina (301) 693-7531

Mail:
Custom Performance Engineering
6802 Mid Cities Ave.,
Beltsville, MD 20705

But then of course its probably time to start another pwn3d thread somewhere else.

[pdhaudio83]

the way you get the extra power, if its real, is that "black box" that cheats the ECU into thinking its hotter out, so it runs better... and leans it out ...so what happens when its really cold out and you start detonating? you guys run pump 87 gas right?

[crossbow]

Stock AF ratio is 9.7:1 @6500 rpm (blarf)

CP-E moves the AF to nicer 12.5:1 to 13.5:1 depending on rpm range. It also richens the fuel mixture earlier in the rpm range (around 3000 rpm vs the stock 4500). Its not a "blackbox chip" ...nothing like you see on ebay. Its a complicated circuit system which primary function corrects the MAF signal allowing you to run non stock specification piping (which normally throws a cel on all mazda6's), while maintaining a proper 14.7:1 ratio in closed fuel loop modes. (Openloop in 85% Throttle Position or 4500 rpm+)

I think your confusing this system with those 20 dollar IAT chips on ebay =/. Those just generally adjust the overall curve (generally richen the A/F mixture) and throw all manner of check engine lights. The CP-E

a) Corrects the MAF signal in closed loop modes, preventing the fuel trim from going lean at idle or in closed loop, preventing P0171 and P0174 Cel's, as well as preventing the injen intake pings.

b) Adjusts the A/F ratio (richens earlier and leans later) from the horribly sick sub 10:1 ratio, to a more normal power making 13:1...this also stops the fuel dilution issues, excessive carboning, and the cat's from being doused in gas.

As I said earlier, CP-E is looking for MSP's to possibly work on a system. If you know anyone interested in prototyping, send the contact info to them.

Here's a FAQ on how the system works.
http://forum.mazda6tech.com/about1009.html

The dyno's are by club members, not some random manufacturer test. You actually pm the vehicles dyno'd if you want. The first injen/cpe dyno was performed by myself. (I ran the dyno, and did the logging). The second was 5sdoors on 6tech/6club.

How do you like the AEM EMS? We've had so much trouble with it on the 3000GT...damn AEM keeps saying its not their fault, then secretly changing settings in the revisions :(. Around 400 AWHP now on pump gas though :).

[pdhaudio83]

Theres no way stock A/F is 9.7:1. Maybe thats your engines compression dude....

you say this black box prevents P0171 and P0174. Do you normally get System too Lean (0171) or system too rich (0174) on the stock intake?

Also, I'd like to know how CP-E is making precise RPM specific map adjustments


:)

[crossbow]

Sigh. To think a whole slew of url's with dyno's and A/F curves, and you just ignore them.

Fine.

Here's an example showing a 10:1...why isn't it showing less then that? Cause 10:1's as low as it goes. I understand you don't own a 6, and thus don't care to read through pages of information, but please don't sit there and tell people their wrong because you aren't willing to take the time to inform yourself.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/11/web/287000-287999/287818_8_full.jpg

Note that its already at 10:1 before it even redlines :(

Here's example two. You can see it trending down towards 10 even prior to the car's max rpm. Unfortuantly this individual didn't dyno till redline to show a solid 10:1 reading. I am using this one only as an additional example as further verification. This is also a modified 6, with injen and headers (which lean out the A/F somewhat)

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~greghess/af1.jpg

Here's injen's A/F readings from their intake. (Which leans out the A/F ratio to make power)
@ 2500 rpm: 14.8
@ 3000 rpm: 12.8
@ 3500 rpm: 12.5
@ 4000 rpm: 11.9
@ 4500 rpm: 11.5
@ 5000 rpm: 11.0
@ 5500 rpm: 10.6
@ 6000 rpm: 10.2
@ 6200 rpm: 10.2

Thats a LEANER then stock A/F ratio. This intake also throws a P0171 and P0174 Code. Once again they stop right before the top rpm while the A/F is still trending downward.

I was wrong about the 9.7:1, its actually 9.5:1. I've emailed the guy to get a copy so I can post it, which I'll do later. Regardless, even the modified dyno A/F curves are all around the 10:1 range, which is absolutely absymall.

These engines are running extremely rich, and its been documented in multiple dynos. This is also why the CP-E gives such great gains. Your taking a fuel soaked engine and bumping it back into the power range.

There have been documented cases of a P0171 with a drop in filter with the stock intake. But on completely stock intake's, no, no P0171 or P0174. These tend to only occur when the maf is placed in a non stock diameter pipe.

Yes CP-E has the option for a programable map via rpm, as per their website url which I gave earlier.

http://www.cp-e.com (http://www.cp-e.com/)

And also its mentioned in the faq, with additional reference urls.

[pdhaudio83]

ok, i misunderstood you :)
actually a family member owns a 6... i didnt realize it ran that rich under full load. thats terrible.

[Necessity]

If you actually hook up a scanner to the car while it's running, you can see the car completely give up on any attempt at fuel saving past 4500 rpm.

This thread has actually convinced me that I want the CPE setup. Greg is never going to let me hear the end of it...