Mental Addiction Mazda 3 turbo kit?

[Mental Addiction]

Justed wanted to give you guys a heads up.We are expanding our product line and will start manufacturing turbo kit's for the Mazda 3 2.3L.
We are a few months away from this.
Here are the details of the kit

GT28RS
Internally wastegated
Stainless manifold, Ceramic coated
Front Mount intercooler
Powercoated charge pipes
silicone couplings
T-bolt clamps
HKS SS blow off valve


Pricing is unnone at this time.Please post here with your ideas and thoughts as I would like to know what the community thinks.

Here is some pictures of the 2 Mazda Protege kits we manufacture now.

Sleeper:
http://www.pixhost.com/pixs/status22/ssenginebay.jpg


Thumper:
http://www.pixhost.com/pixs/status22/thumperinstalledbryan.jpg

[timba24]

will this be able to go on a 6i also?

[Mental Addiction]

will this be able to go on a 6i also?Isn't the 6i a V6? If so, then no.

[eting_pro5]

6i uses the same 2.3L as the 3s....but of course you'd need different piping. It'd still prolly be a very profitable idea to adapt the kit for the 6.

But yeah, SWEET!!!!!!!!!! Will you be the first kit to the market?

[FrigginGLI]

How will the ecu handle this? Pricing I would hope to be the same as the protege kit if not cheaper.

[Mental Addiction]

How will the ecu handle this? Pricing I would hope to be the same as the protege kit if not cheaper.
With a Chip.
Pricing will more than likely be around the same price as Protege kit.

[PhilGood]

How about 2.0 engine?

[SpecM3]

How about 2.0 engine?
Same here, 2.0 any time soon..... ?

[Matthew]

good shit. thats my turbo in the first pic. :D

[Mental Addiction]

We can do a 2.0L if we get a testbed car.

[Mikey444]

I suggest you build up the kit, get the vehicle dyno'd show us the results, than you'll really have peoples heads turning here.

[Matthew]

i dont think he really needs to. havent you seen the beauty of all the other kits and their results :D?

[insanoman2005]

so you're going to "chip" the new 2.3L engine to handle boost and fuel duties? wow...why not start selling these chips and make a fortune off those?? I'm sure almost everyone on this forum with a 2.3L will want a custom "chip"

[SP33D]

so you're going to "chip" the new 2.3L engine to handle boost and fuel duties? wow...why not start selling these chips and make a fortune off those?? I'm sure almost everyone on this forum with a 2.3L will want a custom "chip"Don't doubt this company man. They really know what they're doing.. and they won't BS anyone just to make a buck.

Reviews:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52439
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83729

Products:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86975
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55747 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55747&highlight=thumper)

[xtrememps]

Yeah, I wanna see some turbo 3's now. Those 2.3 liter engine's have a lot of potential, and in the hand of MAM...holy crap.

[eting_pro5]

All the protege guys are more excited than the 3 owners....prolly cuz we all know what MAM can do (laugh)

[xtrememps]

Hahaha, nice sig dude.

[insanoman2005]

wow, you guys kiss some SERIOUS ass on this board!!

where's this magic chip that can control such a nice turbo?? I want one for my My3.

[xtrememps]

Well, I don't consider it kissing ass. I don't even have anything from them yet actually lol, but c'mon...look at their stuff. Give credit where credit's due.

[ddogg777]

where's this magic chip that can control such a nice turbo?? I want one for my My3.
Umm, he hasn't made the kit yet...
Right now he's finishing the AEM for my car, after that maybe I'll let him work on your chip... :D
MAM has friends in high places that can get him stuff.

[insanoman2005]

Well, I don't consider it kissing ass. I don't even have anything from them yet actually lol, but c'mon...look at their stuff. Give credit where credit's due.


if you dont own any of his products how do you know they are so great? (eyeballs)


I really want a chip for my 3. If this guy has them let's see them. Let's see what they do.

[insanoman2005]

Umm, he hasn't made the kit yet...


he has already mentioned how he will address ems and it's with a "chip". I want more info on this chip. Why is this so difficult for everyone to understand? If he has some sort of miracle plug and play chip to regulate fuel pressure I want info.

[ddogg777]

I was implying that he could probably get it done, not that he has one right now.

[Brian MP5T]

so you're going to "chip" the new 2.3L engine to handle boost and fuel duties? wow...why not start selling these chips and make a fortune off those?? I'm sure almost everyone on this forum with a 2.3L will want a custom "chip"
This chip will more than likely only be practical for the turbo kit.

[Brian MP5T]

All the protege guys are more excited than the 3 owners....prolly cuz we all know what MAM can do (laugh)
I'm hooked on MAM!!

[Matthew]

just about everyone is brian lol.

[insanoman2005]

This chip will more than likely only be practical for the turbo kit.

why?? what is it going to control for a turbo kit that wouldn't be beneficial for an NA car?? Timing? AFR's?? what??

[RyanJayG]

more than likely the chip would create A/F's and timing pertinent for forced induction, which would bog the hell out of your car N/A. but this doesn't mean that a chip couldn't be programed for an N/A car. give it time.

[insanoman2005]

that's what I'm saying if he can create a chip with custom maps why not make one NA also?? Seems like if he has the capabilites to actually do this it would be a first step.

[Matthew]

give it time. beau is doing about 34907834 new products for this forum at this time.

[Hoonyo]

the more turbo kits the better (rockon)

btw does anyone know if the hiboost kit is coming out this month?

[insanoman2005]

I remain skeptical untuil I see this magic "chip". Sounds bogus...proove me wrong.

[ddogg777]

proove me wrong. If you want proof, let him use your car as a testbed...

[insanoman2005]

i wouldn't let him touch my car. this is his "hobby". I'll wait around for an ACTUAL business with a business license and some sort of legal responisibility to show up so I can send them my money...someone like hiboost, wagner, protegegarage, etc.

I just thought it was funny that "chips" are such an un-proven thing on the protege/3's and that was his whole idea of EMS for a turbo system....I knew nothing like this exsisted yet. Just wanted to see how much thought was put into it.

p.s. I know the 2.3L is a totally new animal and companies may start making chips and what-not if the ecu is different than the previous proteges but it's so new and untested I had to get some more concrete info....just there is none.

[ddogg777]

I'm taking my ball and going home.

"Screeeeew you guys, I'm going home."

[insanoman2005]

call MAM and tell him how I've made you feel. Maybe he'll fabricate someone who gives a shit.

[SP33D]

that's what I'm saying if he can create a chip with custom maps why not make one NA also?? Seems like if he has the capabilites to actually do this it would be a first step.
why would that be a first step? for me personally, i'd prefer to see a company making turbo kits that are capable of making 350+ whp and also be the only company to set up an AEM plug and play for proteges then to see a company make a 'chip' for all the ricers to add to their list of mods that aren't gonna deduct any more than 2 tenths of a second off their 1/4 times. just to think, you'd be able to tell all your friends that you have an intake, a chip, and a muffler!!@! I don't personally see the point of even bothering with something like that for a N/A car. I mean, I can understand if you wanna run nitrous or a turbo or even a supercharger.. then it would def be worthwhile. Some kid i know got a 'chip' for his SE-R spec-v... it probably added like 5-10 horsepower but his car was always overheating. (rockon)On the other hand I've heard of chips for GTI's and 300zx's that add tons of horsepower, but keep in mind that they are turbo'd to begin with. I dunno, maybe I'm totally off on this, but i still cant figure out why you're trying to put down a company that has offered to make products for your car. So why don't you just wait and see what this company has to offer.. and when you see that theres some mazda 3's getting into the 12's and they have little Mental Addiction Motorsports stickers on the back of their cars then maybe you'll have a change of heart.

/end rant - sorry its late and im cranky

[ddogg777]

(rofl)
Insano, you're almost as funny as me sometimes!

[ddogg777]

I'll wait around for an ACTUAL business with a business license and some sort of legal responisibility to show up so I can send them my money...
Perfworks will hook you up!

[brealmp3]

last time i checked at protegegarage.com they weren't makin any products only sellin stuff for MAM and many other vendors.

[ddogg777]

Well guys, it looks like there is a company that already has upgraded the Mazda3 chip:

"We do have an ECU upgrade available for your application. The ECU upgrade does require that the factory ECU be sent to us for modification. You must purchase the upgrade package before sending the ECU to us for the modification. Suggested retail is $399.00, and the part number is 65002. The ECU upgrades are all done per the application, in other words, do all the modifications you intend on doing before you get the ECU upgraded. That way the program can be set up for the specific modifications. Hp gains would be dependant on the extent of modifications."

That's not a bad price for all those who just want to benefit from a few bolt ons. Insano, get all your stuff on and send your ecu to jet chip.

[insanoman2005]

ddogg, you're an idiot. That's the stupid "jet chip"...those don't do anything. Anyone who knows anything abouts cars knows that. You shou;'ve read the thread in its entirety.

[insanoman2005]

last time i checked at protegegarage.com they weren't makin any products only sellin stuff for MAM and many other vendors.


well try getting your head out of MAM's ass and you'll see they make custom molded in-dash monitors for the proteges. It may not be a turbo kit but these guys are a legitimate business and don't front like a REAL shop to get customers.

[insanoman2005]

Perfworks will hook you up!
from what I read he wasn't affiliated with any of those companies. The way Wagner mentioned it was that Andy built everythign and Perf was just there to work on the AEM. He took some peoples money and split...you're going to penalize someone who didn't have a clue about it?? lame.

[ddogg777]

ddogg, you're an idiot. That's the stupid "jet chip"...those don't do anything. Anyone who knows anything abouts cars knows that. You shou;'ve read the thread in its entirety.
I thought I did..hold on I'll go read it again...

[ddogg777]

Wait, I DID read the whole thread and it ends praising JET. Geez, I was just trying to help...

[brealmp3]

yea my head is in beau's ass.. but wait they are selling the MAM kit, surely they wouldn't sell a bad product....

shhh....we have a conspiracy MAM is out to get insanoman

[ddogg777]

..you're going to penalize someone who didn't have a clue about it?? lame.
I wasn't trying to mark anyone, let me change my post...

[insanoman2005]

vendors sell products all the time wether they back them or not. P-garage also sells HiBoost. personally I'd rather buy a turbo kit with some sort of actualy EMS instead of some sort of incomplete hobbiest's kit.

[brealmp3]

wish i could have beau's hobby. but instead i get stuck postwhoring for MAM while he gets to have all the fun!!

imo that is one hell of a hobby >>> Q.what do you do for fun?? A.oh i just build turbo kits

[Mr. Win]

yall trying to get this moved to the dumpster... chill out.

[ddogg777]

Insano, I think it is unfair what you say about Jet and their chipping. I think if they reflashed the ecu or desoldered and replaced the eeprom then you'd have a completely different tune (or whatever you guys that know so much about cars call it) for your vehicle. If someone doesn't have luck with chipping then it is most likely because the new program or chip doesn't change enough from stock.

[insanoman2005]

if this thread got moved to the dumpster 6 more would pop up just like it in 24hrs...these MAM threads are like the crabs...they're never really gone.

[SP33D]

in some cases people that do things as hobbies are better than "professionals" (whether or not that is the case in this instance... just figured i'd state that fact)

[insanoman2005]

Insano, I think it is unfair what you say about Jet and their chipping. I think if they reflashed the ecu or desoldered and replaced the eeprom then you'd have a completely different tune (or whatever you guys that know so much about cars call it) for your vehicle. If someone doesn't have luck with chipping then it is most likely because the new program or chip doesn't change enough from stock.


you will not find ANYONE with any PROVEN gains from a JET ecu. I've actually heard of peoples cars getting slower. All they do is dump extra fuel into the motor at part throttle. They will never put into writing exactly what they do or make any sort of power gain promise...not even a 1% increase. If they claim to "reprogram" your ecu...how are you going to know? You'll go to the dyno right? No'one I've ever heard of or seen on the net has ever shown any kind of gain with their products....they are actually kind of a joke for people in the know.

[ddogg777]

in some cases people that do things as hobbies are better than "professionals" (whether or not that is the case in this instance... just figured i'd state that fact)
This is very true, I do alot of stuff myself because I don't trust the professionals. I majored in Mech Eng only because I like it as a hobby (that's what I honestly tell people), I would never want to work in a cubicle...

[insanoman2005]

in some cases people that do things as hobbies are better than "professionals" (whether or not that is the case in this instance... just figured i'd state that fact)

aggreed, I like to paint as a hobby but I don't charge people $4500 for a painting that destory their car (potentially).

He has NO liability if something he sells is faulty because he's not an authentic company. It would be different if he was...for now he's just joe blow off the street selling you stuff. While people have had good success with him it's not assured like it would be if he were legit.

p.s. I'm going to make up some company name and start charging more for my paintings since people will think I'm a professional by misleading them with the name.

[FunkyBuddha]

Oh the drama!! Insano..chill out. Give him time to develop this ecu/chip and see what happens. If you want backing, then wait for someone else to develop it. No one told you to order from Mental Addiction. If you want a chip so bad, go get a bag of Lays..I bet you can't just have one.

[ddogg777]

you will not find ANYONE with any PROVEN gains from a JET ecu. I've actually heard of peoples cars getting slower. All they do is dump extra fuel into the motor at part throttle. They will never put into writing exactly what they do or make any sort of power gain promise...not even a 1% increase. If they claim to "reprogram" your ecu...how are you going to know? You'll go to the dyno right? No'one I've ever heard of or seen on the net has ever shown any kind of gain with their products....they are actually kind of a joke for people in the know. Are they not a REAL business though? You were making quite a stink about that...
They did mention that in some cases they actually desolder and replace the eeprom, I bet you could tell then. But your are right, I have no experience with them, they have been around for a while though. Personally, I don't want anyone messing with my stock stuff, that is why I'm having Beau do the plug'n'play harness with the AEM for my car (removeable). I hope you don't jump on me now for mentioning his name, but he is the only one that can do it that I know of, he really does have the skillz that people speak of... and he lives just a few miles from me. :D

[insanoman2005]

I've seen Wagner use a P&P AEM in a mp3. the harness wasnt 100% complete but it was direct P&P.

p.s. I'm not looking to shell out $4500+ to Jet chips for a product. If I were I'd want to know they were a legit business.

[Mental Addiction]

you will not find ANYONE with any PROVEN gains from a JET ecu. I've actually heard of peoples cars getting slower. All they do is dump extra fuel into the motor at part throttle. They will never put into writing exactly what they do or make any sort of power gain promise...not even a 1% increase. If they claim to "reprogram" your ecu...how are you going to know? You'll go to the dyno right? No'one I've ever heard of or seen on the net has ever shown any kind of gain with their products....they are actually kind of a joke for people in the know.For a man who knows some much, you have yet to contribute anything useful.
Are you a chip manufacturer?Do you even understand the ECU?

[Brian MP5T]

For a man who knows some much, you have yet to contribute anything useful.
Are you a chip manufacturer?Do you even understand the ECU?
OWNED!
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/389233_24_full.jpg

[StuttersC]

I've seen Wagner use a P&P AEM in a mp3. the harness wasnt 100% complete but it was direct P&P.

p.s. I'm not looking to shell out $4500+ to Jet chips for a product. If I were I'd want to know they were a legit business.Every AEM Wagner has done has been completely spliced in...Nothing has been P&P from Wagner.

The harness you saw was the one you have to have in order for the AEM to even get the signals it needs to run.

I'd give Beau and MAM a shot at my car before going to Wagner given the history and the fact that he hasn't stepped up like he said he would. Beau has...That's the difference.

And, please define a professional...If you start a business doing paintings (your hobby), then does that not move you in the direction of becoming a professional, regardless of skill...

To me, if you start a business to do something, regardless of skill level, you just moved into the profesional light.

And now, on topic: Go for it Beau. I'd be interested to see how you run the manifold and turbo as the MS6 looks cramped as heck in between the block and firewall. Given how your manifolds look on the Protege kits, I'm sure it'll look better and do better than the stuff Mazda has done so far.

[RyanJayG]

yall trying to get this moved to the dumpster... chill out. that is exactly what Insanoman wants... and he'll duplicate it in ANY MAM thread. if that happens then he wins, and the entire forum pays the price for it, because if this continues Beau will become disenchanted by this whole ordeal and stop making new parts for all of us.

gheyest argument ever.

[RyanJayG]

also, Beau has a business license, has been in business for 3 years and has employees.... how is he not a business?

he has repetedly told me that he calls it his hobby because he does not live on the profits made from making Mazda parts. he has a full time job in the military.

you have some serious issues man, and quite frankly you are ignorent about many of the subjects you talk about.

[Matthew]

beau barely makes a friggin profit i doubt, only to hook people up. if i could only disclose some of the stuff he did for me when we first met. he saw i was having problems and contacted ME with an excellant deal that fixed my car.

[ddogg777]

For a man who knows some much, you have yet to contribute anything useful.
Are you a chip manufacturer?Do you even understand the ECU?
He doesn't. On a side note to Insano, I now know why you thought I was reading from the wrong thread about the JET. You thought I searched this forum...I actually visit a lot more. It was at the end of that thread where someone was praising JET. Maybe you should go trash them.
http://**********************/viewtopic.php?t=13411&highlight=jet+chip

Everyone like my new sig?

[pdhaudio83]

(thumb)
bliss.

[MazdaAxela]

Damn that looks sweet cant wait to hear about pricing!!! Please keep us updated as soon as pricing and all other pertinent info is available.

[MrTea]

Damn!

I don't want to agree with Insano by any means, but the problem here is that ECU. there won't be a way to "chip" it due to the CAN bus it uses. There are piggybacks out there, the 2 turbos i've seen on the 6's have used the haltac and the Apexi unit (which doesn't do much). As far as the AEM setup Wagner's using, he still can't get the car running well because the the new system is so overly confusing, they can't even dyno it cause of the A/F issues.
As far as JET goes, they are down the street from me, so i went to talk to them at the beginning of the year. I talked to the tech that "does all their R&D" who told me they had the application for my car, and i would see about 12hp gains. i asked him what it intailed and how the new computer system handled the change, and he didn't even know it wasn't ODBII. I stopped right there, so just be careful going this route, might be cool, but just uneasy about it.
There is a company called CP-E who has been helping 6 owners lately, seeing some decent gains with a inline system to adjust A/F ratios, but still in testing for a full tunable setup. Also, i just got back from SEMA, and SCT (superchips) will be doing some work with Draxas to get some tuning products out with testing starting next week.
Just throwing some views out there. Again i think Insano's being an ass about it, but there is SOME validity to it. Sorry if i dropped too many other names on your thread beau, but seemed like it was way out there anyhow.

[insanoman2005]

"and the truth shall set you free......"

I'm only being an ass cause I'm sick and tired of reading the same 3 threads every fucking day. This forum is worthless and so are the lax moderators who get their jollies kissing vendor's asses.

[Matthew]

feel free to never post on this forum again.

[mp3josh]

"and the truth shall set you free......"

I'm only being an ass cause I'm sick and tired of reading the same 3 threads every fucking day. This forum is worthless and so are the lax moderators who get their jollies kissing vendor's asses.
if you don't like it, you don't have to come back.

[vindication]

insanoman, you suck at life, please stop playing.

[wongpres]

Back to the topic ok

[AzMz3]

I look forward to seeing this happen. I don't know anything about MAM but I would suggest they try to get in contact with SCT (SuperchipsCustomTuning) and see if they can get set up to have flashers included with the turbo system. There is no way to chip the Mazda3 ecu, it can only be flashed. The only thing that will work is a full stand-alone, a piggy back WILL NOT work the ECU will relearn and make it useless for a Turbo/SC system.
The hardware they listed seems to be good and I would only be interested in it only without tuning. Since I will be getting the SCT pro-package that will allow the user to tune and flash their own car.

And on a side note the quality of a product does not mean a thing if it wont work for the long run.

--Herb--

[Badger Biker]

MAMotorsports: With a turbo kit of this caliber, what kind of upgrades would a person with an ATX want to do?

I'm one of those ATX people who really want to add a turbo later. Just looking at what kind of upgrades I will have to budget as I bet the stock tranny won't handle all that power.

[Mental Addiction]

MAMotorsports: With a turbo kit of this caliber, what kind of upgrades would a person with an ATX want to do?

I'm one of those ATX people who really want to add a turbo later. Just looking at what kind of upgrades I will have to budget as I bet the stock tranny won't handle all that power.
As of right now I'm unsure what is needed.Once we start the project I will look at the ATX setup and see what is possibly needed.

[Mental Addiction]

"and the truth shall set you free......"
The truth is you don't own a Mazda 3 or live in Long Beach.The truth is you have a P5 and live in Alabama..The Moderators are not dumb and know exactly who you are.

[profusion]

MAM sounds great! I dont agree 100% with the other Mazda3 owners that are shuting it down. This talk about wanting the chip first before anything is a waste of time and money. Most of these chips, even if its from a reputable company mostly just rich the hell out of the car. To extract the most out of you car means you will need to tune it to you modification specs. There is no "1" chip that works for all unless it was made for a bone stock car, or with modifications said to be desired for the spacific chip. Even then not everyones mazda3 with the "injen" CAI will make the same 150rwp from that same chip. To get real gains you would need a device like Hondata and even that costs past 500 bucks for the basic system. That is completely customizable and gives you real results if you want to be picky.

So far I have not heard anything bad about there system.
All 1 needs to do is wait to see the results when its ready, then you can make your comments good or bad.

You should be rejoicing the fact that people are making things for your un- greatfullness.

Give them a break the system is not even out!!

[Badger Biker]

^^^ I agree.

I am seriously excited about this kit. I know I won't be able to afford it, but there's always a chance I could get a nice windfall or something in the near future. MAM, I've been following the other discussions about your kits and you have a lot of street credit around here. There was a thread started over at m**************** about this kit, so hopefully more interest will be generated.

In the meantime, thanks for supporting our wonderful cars and I can't wait! :D

[Mazda3ofKent]

AWSOME, thouhg i cant afford it right now unless I pick up another major dealy my grad date and take out a student loan for a Turbo kit, becuse a turbo is imparative to my academic sucess, that and a spellchecker

[Brian MP5T]

Beau, is that plastic intake mani going to hold up?

[Mental Addiction]

Only time will tell if it holds up.The 96+ Ford Mustangs use the plastic intake as well.Some have cracked while others have not.

[AzMz3]

Only time will tell if it holds up.The 96+ Ford Mustangs use the plastic intake as well.Some have cracked while others have not.


There are plastic intakes on the Ford Focus to with a few boosting 300hp plus and no problems. Only time I have ever heard of a problem is with a n2o back-fire.

[fishmonkey01]

id be really excited about the turbo kit myself. just as long as it has all the right parts, has been tested and wont kill my car in a couple of years. (stooges)

[Brian MP5T]

There are plastic intakes on the Ford Focus to with a few boosting 300hp plus and no problems. Only time I have ever heard of a problem is with a n2o back-fire.The weight savings must be fantastic!

[Airman Jack]

I don't think we have to worry too much about weight with a 3000lb car :p

[Mazda3ofKent]

Will and defencer be inculded with the computer adjustments ?

[Mental Addiction]

Please visit:
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1361030#post1361030

[Gambino]

Do you have a projected availability date?

[Mental Addiction]

Do you have a projected availability date?

No idea yet.