Gaaa I can't hold it in anymore!!!Its almost ready

[DSMConvert]

We wont have it on the dyno till Monday, but after yesterday and today's performance runs I'm too excited to keep it under wraps anymore. We just finished up the tuning for our new Air/Fuel controller. After hearing about the non-compatability of the SAFCs and the demand for an inexpensive unit, we set out build something that would make jaws drop...Well I think we may have just done it...Working with a group out of CA(we'll reveal when we post up dyno results and are in production) we have designed a unit that allows for complete air/fuel control for the MSP. Initial tuning has allowed for the birth of a completely different car...a/f map is as smooth as a babies butt, and the power just keeps right on pulling up to redline...I'll go into more detail when we have finished dyno results and specs, but instead of using knobs and switches, we've made the unit completely interfaceable with the computer. That means you plug it in load the software and edit your own settings, perfect for those of you who want to be able to change things up between runs. RIght now we're toying with building in an fcd, and raising the boost a little. You can expect dyno results and final specs sometime next week and available for orders in about 2 weeks. I should also give a special thanks to our guinea pig, um I mean volunteer, EvilMSP for so graciously letting us beat the hell, err push the limits, of his msp....

[mp3josh]

can't wait to see this new item. Maybe I can use it down the line ;)

[MazdaDryvr]

Is this a product for ummm, non-tuner types who would just want to get more from their MSP? :)

[EvilMSP]

I wondered where my car has been...... (nana)

[MSP #167]

I'm very interested in this....can't wait to see more info.

What's pricing looking like?

[31R]

Nice!!

[FC3s Boy]

you tease you

[mazdaowner123]

awesome, always nice to see more products. I'm guessing this doesn't control timing, so flashed/nonflashed cars will need different tuning, right?

~brian

[warrier04]

will there be any way to incorporate timing into the equation for those that would like that option?

with an integrated fcd, what kind of price are we looking at? ... gotta call the bank ...

drew.

[Pure Insanity]

OOOOH and ya wouldnt tell me much on the phone last nite...(dunno) I see how it is.

Just bustin on ya John. I respect the secrecy of what your doing and Ill tell ya what, you keep building quality parts for the MSP and at reasonable costs...keep all the secrets ya want! Just make some stuff! (naughty)

[Rainman]

Damn! Now you have my interest. Subscribing so that I can get all of the gory details!

R

[goku4658]

consider me subscribed

[_Slotegé_]

So this is what you wanted me to hold off for.....

How about a ballpark price john???

[insanoman2005]

since this works for the msp it should work for the regular protege's also right? Controlling afr's isn't turbo specific iz it?

[vindication]

even though i don't have an MSP I still wanna see how this turns out.

[flat_black]

OOOOH! I assume it'll work for N/A Protege's? And yeah, how much? =)

[10lbsmocc]

Yep Subscribing Here

[ONRAILS]

wow... very interesting!

[jonbig]

yes yes yes indeed details now now

[ND4MSP]

I wouldn't expect you to have an exact price, but how will it stack up to the others price wise. I'm currently scouting an mpi tuner. I know you get what you pay for, but you(DSM) seem hell bent on value as well. Which is good ofcourse.

[DSMConvert]

this model will have air/fuel control, however for extreme tuners we will more than likely release a FTC(fuel timing controller) piggyback system later on down the road(This is assuming our air/fuel controller does well as we currently have nearly all our resources including capital tied up in its R&D). Our goal was to get something out that even the basic tuner could use and adjust, but that provided enough precision that an extreme tuner could find useful. For those that go full built motor, huge turbo etc, then yes the FTC would be the way to go as it will allow for greater engine control. For 98% of the people on here, you would get the greatest benefit out of the A/F controller...so for details and dynos just be patient as soon as we get them and analyze them we'll have them up...

[Ljspeed]

Awesome I cant wait till the final results and official introducing:)

[boomergt]

Great news..

I am now subscribed

[jeffmsp]

1. You must include ultra detailed instructions for those who are new to tuning, big selling point.
2. How hard is the install?
3. Price I am sure will be the deciding factor for most people. or we would all have a mpi or a haltech,- make sure its a good value for the cash.

I am quite interested. (headbang)

[warrier04]

so what kind of boost levels would this controller support (how high could you boost)?

[EvilMSP]

I think you are getting a pretty good responce so far John :)

I'm sure he will be able to answer all the boost questions and that very soon. Just need to get it finalized, dyno'd and such. Hopefully the beginning on next week there will ne all the #'s and driving testimonials from me.

Damn I'm so excited I'm almost jealous of myself (drive)

[ND4MSP]

not sure if its too soon to answer, but will this system be able too use different injectors?

[SpoolinMsp]

not sure if its too soon to answer, but will this system be able too use different injectors?
From the info he has giving, Yes it will be able to control injectors, fuel pumps and such just like a SAFC. It is just a new product with similar functions. Right?

[cosmo420]

PLEASE keep us all posted!

[chwood]

We wont have it on the dyno till Monday, but after yesterday and today's performance runs I'm too excited to keep it under wraps anymore. We just finished up the tuning for our new Air/Fuel controller. After hearing about the non-compatability of the SAFCs and the demand for an inexpensive unit, we set out build something that would make jaws drop...Well I think we may have just done it...Working with a group out of CA(we'll reveal when we post up dyno results and are in production) we have designed a unit that allows for complete air/fuel control for the MSP. Initial tuning has allowed for the birth of a completely different car...a/f map is as smooth as a babies butt, and the power just keeps right on pulling up to redline...I'll go into more detail when we have finished dyno results and specs, but instead of using knobs and switches, we've made the unit completely interfaceable with the computer. That means you plug it in load the software and edit your own settings, perfect for those of you who want to be able to change things up between runs. RIght now we're toying with building in an fcd, and raising the boost a little. You can expect dyno results and final specs sometime next week and available for orders in about 2 weeks. I should also give a special thanks to our guinea pig, um I mean volunteer, EvilMSP for so graciously letting us beat the hell, err push the limits, of his msp....
delicious

[evo..eater:)]

My eyes just popped out of my skull, and I think I creamed my pants...............


Wait..........I did, let me get a towel and a cigarette!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:eek:

[II-Savy]

I am now subscribedI think this sounds hot as shit! :eek:

[orng1]

Subscribed
I envy you Evilmsp

[CasopoliS]

Sounds great. I am a new tuner, and it seems with this system...I should be able to do things on my own. With DSM's service and knowledge, don't think you can go wrong. Not to mention the slew of options that come along-with the system. Waiting for price....

Diddo on the detailed instructions / install.

[wickedjra]

ok, my interest has been peeked. subscribed.

edit: i'm new to this so i need to confirm, this will take the place of a wideband o2 sensor correct? because i was thinking about getting the AEM but if i don't need to for this then obviously i won't.

[jaman]

What about the possibility of the stock ECU "re-learning"?

[Spooled]

How is this going to install? Through the ODB-II port, or will there be extensive splicing involved. Also, post some screen shots of the software used to program it when you get a chance. VERY COOL that more people are going the ECU tuning route. That's where the performance is.

[jersey_emt]

Damnit with your teasing us.

Details damnit!

[protegeV]

awesome :D

[torque222]

sounds sweet, are they going for less than the wideband a/f ?

[MSPRCRX44]

this got my attention, i am subscribing.

[flat_black]

Uhm, presumably this wouldn't take the place of a wideband O2 gauge... The wideband provides information, this "device" would provide tuning, presumably. Dunno if it does datalogging or somesuch, though.

[traitorhound]

hmm. .. . this would good for the N/A guys too. . sweet

[msp35]

I'm so excited, subscribed. :) (headbang) (headbang) (eekdance) (eekdance)

[WillisW555]

Okay, my question is regaring the install. P-N-P or splicing. I hope PNP cause that we be awesome.

[lancebav]

Subscribed!!!!!!

[Hypnotized]

Subscribing for updates

[NeverSober]

Need more info.....NOW!

[EvilMSP]

Lol Yeah DSM should look here more often, the people want the info! And I don't wanna say stuff that might be wrong, I only know so much.

[Bhamsan]

OK, just finished reading 4 pages. Sounds like something that a lot of MSPs and even P5s should get their hands on for squeezing out all the hidden power under their hoods. I know now after taking off my DP and catback that it needs to be tuned, and badly. This is now third on my list after a FMIC and TB Exhaust.

[Brian MP5T]

Subscrizzle

[Wiggles422]

Just in time for my Christmas wish list :D

[Speedplease]

Cool

[Tommy1005]

subscribing.....I would also like to know a ball-park price so I can start saving up.

[EvilMSP]

I bet he's swamped with work on hard pipes as usual. He'll probably post on Monday.

[II-Savy]

OK it's monday dammit. (rant)

Bump for more/new/price/color/size/something/info

[Mr. Win]

relearning is also what i would be worried about. sounds promising and something i may look into esp with you being so close...

[Spooled]

Do we still get to see some dyno results today?

[DSMConvert]

Grr, well as evil knows we've been set back a few days due to in part the SEMA events for the past few days, so dyno results are not done yet. The relearning issue was reasearched and determined that the mazda ecu will only relearn around outside devices when it encounters extreme variances in values coming into it. Fortunately for us mazda didnt see the need to invest much in a high-tech ecu, instead it just revamped its protege one. The changes our maps will make will be well within the values for the ecu to handle. That is currently what is taking all the time, is actual road testing and run time to make sure that the ecu doesnt "get smart" on us. Sorry its taken me so long to get back but between this project and hardpipes I've been up to my eyes in "errands". As far as a price estimate the best I can do right now is tell you it will be between $250-500. I know thats a rather large range, but it entirely depends on which features we end up adding and unforseen changes we may have to make. Whew ok I think i caught the majority of hte questions. Like i said I really cant give too many details at the moment, b/c in all honesty we're still changing things around. Oh yea on the N/A note, yes it will work, but we will not have preset maps for you N/A guys, as we will for the MSP crew.

[jersey_emt]

(werd)

[Tommy1005]

$250 sounds alot better to me (rockon)

[II-Savy]

Yea....500 is way high. You will sell all you can make if this item is below 300....or dam close. At 250 I don't think people would even bat an eye.

[Mallard]

Please try to keep it closer to $250. For $500 I could get the Emanage instead, but I don't need all of its features. If you want to sell a lot keep the price low and keep it simple to use. (Which it sounds like it is)


This would be perfect for people like me who are staying on stock boost, but would like to maximize the performance. (For autocross rules prohibit upping the boost, but allow piggyback computers and I need every bit of help I can get against those damn WRX's)

[MazdaDryvr]

I cant wait to hear more details. I'm not even sure what this thing is. :D

[msp35]

Yea....500 is way high. You will sell all you can make if this item is below 300....or dam close. At 250 I don't think people would even bat an eye.
(hitit2)

[noclue119]

I think the people have spoken.

[warrier04]

how user friendly will the software/interface be?

i'd like as much of a P-n-P-type unit as possible ... i don't have the know-how to sit there with my laptop and not know what's going on with the car (if something is wrong), so i don't know what to tweak and such ...

[DSMConvert]

Ok update, fcd will be incorporated and more than likely an electronic boost controller. IN addition the unit will also be able to handle bigger injectors. Thus far we've tuned the unit for both stock boost and 10psi. This doesnt mean these are the only levels it will control, this is just what we're running for intial dynos and such. As far as dynos, I'll have 3 to show. One for stock boost non tuned, one for stock boost with our tuning, and then a 10psi tuned run...this should cover any performance questions that you guys have. Warrier the unit will come with preset maps for those of you who dont know a lot about tuning, the software will allow the more advanced and "unique" MSPs to fine tune the maps. For those of you subscribing I should have dynos and pics up end of this week or beginning of next week...

[jonbig]

sounds better by the second. what will install be like?

[II-Savy]

Wow sounds great (rockon) .

Electronic Boost controller and FDC included could jack up the price possibly. Maybe one could be offered without these additions? Just a thought.

Also one other thing, if you can get this done by Christmas...(rockon) ......I know Santa would drop off one of these under my tree and maybe others (2thumbs) .

[Quik89Si]

So um, I guess we know what the "secret product" in your sig is now...

Looking forward to dynos!

Alex

[warrier04]

Warrier the unit will come with preset maps for those of you who dont know a lot about tuning, the software will allow the more advanced and "unique" MSPs to fine tune the maps. For those of you subscribing I should have dynos and pics up end of this week or beginning of next week...
so with what ease will i be able to tune? if i go out and pick up a new smic, would the changes in the software be drastic (requiring me to spend half the day driving around and testing out what i did)? i'm pretty computer literate, so learning the software shouldn't be THAT hard ... i think ... (eek2)

drew.

[goku4658]

Ok update, fcd will be incorporated and more than likely an electronic boost controller. IN addition the unit will also be able to handle bigger injectors. Thus far we've tuned the unit for both stock boost and 10psi. This doesnt mean these are the only levels it will control, this is just what we're running for intial dynos and such. As far as dynos, I'll have 3 to show. One for stock boost non tuned, one for stock boost with our tuning, and then a 10psi tuned run...this should cover any performance questions that you guys have. Warrier the unit will come with preset maps for those of you who dont know a lot about tuning, the software will allow the more advanced and "unique" MSPs to fine tune the maps. For those of you subscribing I should have dynos and pics up end of this week or beginning of next week...
omg that is sick...good work mang! i'm holding you personally responsible to get me to 215 whp hehe

[2K3 MSP]

I agree that this should be offered without the boost gauge and FCD. I already have a boost gauge, and am boosting 10-11psi daily. If I could get this tuned at 10psi, I shouldn't need an FCD if I'm boosting 10-11psi with no problems as it is, right?

[CasopoliS]

Many already have a FCD and some sort of boost controller.....maybe create "packages" with and without certain options.

[Mallard]

I also agree that I don't need the FCD or boost controller with this. As I stated in my previous post, boost controllers are illegal in my autocross class but piggyback computers are legal. I am just looking to tune it better and get some more power within the rules of my class. Can it be ordered/installed without these options?


Oh yeah, and good job! You just kicked the UniChip in the nuts. Also please post the rest of the mods on the car you tested on when you post the dyno sheets. I'd like to have an idea of what other mods he has to get him those numbers.

[Ryoga28]

Hopefully it's PNP and dealer invisible.

[MazdaDryvr]

I know what I'm putting on my Christmas list!!! :D

[msp35]

Ok update, fcd will be incorporated and more than likely an electronic boost controller. IN addition the unit will also be able to handle bigger injectors. Thus far we've tuned the unit for both stock boost and 10psi. This doesnt mean these are the only levels it will control, this is just what we're running for intial dynos and such. As far as dynos, I'll have 3 to show. One for stock boost non tuned, one for stock boost with our tuning, and then a 10psi tuned run...this should cover any performance questions that you guys have. Warrier the unit will come with preset maps for those of you who dont know a lot about tuning, the software will allow the more advanced and "unique" MSPs to fine tune the maps. For those of you subscribing I should have dynos and pics up end of this week or beginning of next week...
(rockon) (rockon) (rockon) (flash) (flash)

[DSMConvert]

the FCD is actually part of the programming advantages, so it will not make the cost any higher or lower, just an added bonus...the ebc is something we're still toying around with and we still aren't sure on it just yet, so I'll keep you autox and such guys in mind. BUT for you guys who's excuse is you already have an mbc, I will tell you now that an EBC is far superior at controlling boost to a manual and the cost hike will be very close to the price of a mbc unit, but like I said we're still going back and forth on this idea, and I'll take into consideration your inputs...

[goku4658]

the FCD is actually part of the programming advantages, so it will not make the cost any higher or lower, just an added bonus...the ebc is something we're still toying around with and we still aren't sure on it just yet, so I'll keep you autox and such guys in mind. BUT for you guys who's excuse is you already have an mbc, I will tell you now that an EBC is far superior at controlling boost to a manual and the cost hike will be very close to the price of a mbc unit, but like I said we're still going back and forth on this idea, and I'll take into consideration your inputs...
just so you don't think there isn't a market for it, i'd be down for the whole thing including fcd, ebc, piggyback.

[II-Savy]

the FCD is actually part of the programming advantages, so it will not make the cost any higher or lower, just an added bonus...the ebc is something we're still toying around with and we still aren't sure on it just yet, so I'll keep you autox and such guys in mind. BUT for you guys who's excuse is you already have an mbc, I will tell you now that an EBC is far superior at controlling boost to a manual and the cost hike will be very close to the price of a mbc unit, but like I said we're still going back and forth on this idea, and I'll take into consideration your inputs...
Excellent. I guess it just comes down to how cheap you can make this thing.

[WillisW555]

PNP harness?

[Mallard]

PNP harness?
Look one page back. He said no. It will require some wiring, but it's not hard to set up.

[chwood]

Excellent. I guess it just comes down to how cheap you can make this thing.
No kidding - me likey

[CasopoliS]

Already have an HKS EVC digital boost controller I love with a slightly custom screen install. Not removing it.....so if we are forced to get the system with a EBC, I just won't use it. No biggie. I am sure the price will be decent anyway from the sound of things.

[Hypnotized]

I am very interested now! Gotta get some more info.

[MiataRacing]

Damn, now I have to sell my EBC....

[EvilMSP]

Don't plan on havig to do anything until the product is done, things could still change. Wait til the end of this week/beginning of next to see dyno results and the final product before you worry about selling something.

[warrier04]

any chance of dynos/further info by the end of this week? or is it pushed to next week?


drew.

[MikeyBee]

*subscribing* (rockon)

[EvilMSP]

any chance of dynos/further info by the end of this week? or is it pushed to next week?


drew.
Unknown right now. Looking at Friday-Monday still.

[jonbig]

man if checked this thread prolly 200 times haha

[II-Savy]

Bump for pics, maybe info or just anything, maybe a story or a poem about the maps.

[Wiggles422]

Ok... heres a haiku

Map A is stock boost
Map B is for "more fun" boost
Leave it on map B

(shrug)

[DSMConvert]

I once bought a mazda, man was it lame. It wasn't so speedy like it said in its name. So along came a guy who saw its potential. He said, "This ECU is a joke, its abosutely horrential". So he set on a quest to make this car roar. He though, and he pondered and indeed thought some more. Then one sunny day it all became clear, he'd build his own unit and exclaimed "I need a beer!". So off to the shop he went with his books to comb over the engine and have him a look. He schemed and he clammered like a small little troll, and soon yelled out loud "I"ve got the control". So he made all his boxes and set out next day, to deliver controllers to all who shouted "Hip hip Horray".

[Puckpimp71]

DSM for USA's Poet Laureate!!!!

[msp35]

I once bought a mazda, man was it lame. It wasn't so speedy like it said in its name. So along came a guy who saw its potential. He said, "This ECU is a joke, its abosutely horrential". So he set on a quest to make this car roar. He though, and he pondered and indeed thought some more. Then one sunny day it all became clear, he'd build his own unit and exclaimed "I need a beer!". So off to the shop he went with his books to comb over the engine and have him a look. He schemed and he clammered like a small little troll, and soon yelled out loud "I"ve got the control". So he made all his boxes and set out next day, to deliver controllers to all who shouted "Hip hip Horray".

Hip Hip Horray!!

(cheers2) (cheers2) (cheers2) (cheers2) (cheers2)

[mspeedpro]

Havent read all this thread... but it seems this unit will be too user controlled for a lot of the plug and play simpletons on this board, right?

[flat_black]

DSM, your creativity knows no bounds. ;) From now on I'm calling you DSM Seuss. Hehee.

[Rawyzf]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Rawyzf/Kody%20008.jpg

[noclue119]

shouldn't u be working on the ecu unit instead of the poem(whip)

[CChris704]

ok n00b question. (if you are in a hurry continue to next post. if you wish to answer read on.) What is the main difference between this and say something like a Unichip.

[MazdaDryvr]

horrential
This is a perfectly cromulent word. It embiggens us all. :D

[noclue119]

ok n00b question. (if you are in a hurry continue to next post. if you wish to answer read on.) What is the main difference between this and say something like a Unichip.
$$$ hopefully

[jonbig]

im no expert, but from what i understand the unichip comes with pre-programmed maps, in in order to customize those maps for your car (which is likly different than everobody elses) you have to take it to a certain place that is certified. the difference is the product being offered here is supposed to be controlled and changed by the user. i believe he said it will come with maps for us that are noobs when it comes to tuning, but the good thing is that we can have complete control over our a/f ratios which seem so out-of whack in msps. but i may be wrong

[Mallard]

ok n00b question. (if you are in a hurry continue to next post. if you wish to answer read on.) What is the main difference between this and say something like a Unichip.
#1 the UniChip allows you to alter the ignition timing. DSMConvert has said that this option MAY be avaliable in the future.

#2 The UniChip can only be re-mappd/tuned by a certified UniChip tuner

#3 Hopefully price. With the absence of timing control this shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. At least I hope not, since this is just an AFC.

Anyone worried about an AFC being too user controlled probably should not be modifing their cars. Especially since you don't have to worry about adjusting timing! It's just up or down, and make sure you don't run too lean.

[EvilMSP]

DMS told me he started this cause the MSP has a crappy ecu. And that the current ones on the market he felt cost WAY too much for the gains they provided, so he made this :). Car is on dyno now...can't wait lol.

[ND4MSP]

pics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you guys rock. If this setup is less than 500, I'll have enough to get a ghl downpipe with my fun money.

So does that mean were gonna see some results tonight?

[low_psi]

I'm very interested in this too, although I really feel timing issues should be addressed once you start upping the boost. I can't wait to see the adjustments made on the dyno.

[mazdaspeed75]

subscribing hhfgfggfghgf(wow) (drive)

[Bhamsan]

From what I sense, and from the stuff that DSM has put out, it will be less than $500, maybe closer to the $300 range. He's all about value.

[t3ase]

subscribing

[EvilMSP]

Sorry guys no pics but I have the car back!!! This is for you DSM (rockon)

DSM should be sent the info I have from the company soon but the results are really good. In terms of dyno numbers the A/F ratio is very nice and very smooth. It is rediculous to see how the car was setup stock.

The Dyno sheet that will be posted soon has 4 runs. My car stock, With new maps, new maps @ 8 psi, new ,maps @ 10 psi. The sheet is not in front of me but the stock numbers were like 151 hp and 153 lb. The top run added 27 hp at the wheels and 49 lbs or torque. Leaving it at like 178hp and 202lb.

The drivability is AMAZING on this baby. There is no more stuttering, bogging down, bucking, anything like that. I thought a lot of the harshness in the low gears was from the engine mounts but heck no. Most of it was in the nasty ass Mazda Tuning. The car feels butter smooth to drive and makes everything feel smooth and easy. Up/Downshifting is GREATLY improved because the car no longer dips down into that nasty rich to lean change. Now when I shift from 1-2 the car just powers through it. Instead of being pulled into your chain, buck, then pulled into chair again it is nice and smooth. And I mean SMOOTH. I practiced shifting a lot and no matter how good/fast I was it would buck atleast a little, well not anymore.

Power delivery is very smooth too. You can cruise around just as before (with added smoothness of course) and as soon as you get into the turbo range BAM this thing pulls like a mofo. I mean 60 mph comes faster than I imagined lol. I haven't taken it from a dig yet but I bet that 200+ lb feet is gonna be fun :).

I'll answer whatever questions you guys have about this as they come cause I can't think of anything else right now. The first time I got into 4.5k rpm i had an obscene grim on my face and couldn't stop giggling for a few minutes lol.

So long story short I am truly amazed at this product. It is really really really really good. Did I mention it was good? DSM has made something amazing and I hope you allgo and pic it up. Once you see the dyno you guys will see how nice the curves are.

Oh also the dyno was done at like 80* or something like that so it wasn't super cold or anything. Also the 27hp gain (along with the torque graph) is gained throughout the entire RPM range. It's not like some mods that get all their hp gain at the very high rpm's. Once they bump the tuning and psi the entire graph looks exactly the same, just bumps it up 20+ hp :).

Super amazed! Blown away by results! Yippie! I'll try to get pics/post dyno #'s this weekend.

Lets the questions roll.

[MSP #167]

sounds awesome, i can't wait for this product to become available.

great work.

[EvilMSP]

Also I'd like to add that the turbo spools up much faster and sooner, suprisingly sooner. I think before if I got off the throttle the turkey would comealive around 3.5k or so. Now when i let off at like 2.5k there is a half asleep barely alive turkey there, but it shows its starting to spool up. I guess the fixed ratios and stuff feed the turbo the exhaust it needs faster.

Drove it a lot more and still suprised at how fun it is to drive. Drivability is greatly improved AND if I gun it I can get the tires totally loose in 2nd. YES! (drive)

[EvilMSP]

Oh and I'm home now the numbers were in fact 151hp/153lb start and 177hp/202lbs @ 10 psi.

[03BlkMicaSPD]

what were the stock boost numbers with the tune, I am assuming close to the same only smoother power curve?

[EvilMSP]

what were the stock boost numbers with the tune, I am assuming close to the same only smoother power curve?
Hopefully I can get it scanned and then everyone will see it but basically yeah. It is a lot smoother and the peak HP was like 3 or so more but you gain a few chunks throughout the powerband. There are some parts where the stock dyno would drop a few HP for no reason, and they fix that.

[MSPRCRX44]

this product sounds awesome. i cant wait to see the dyno graphs on here and find out the price.

[jaxmsp]

subscribing

[FL_Speed001]

subscribing...very interested in this....

[Mark-MsP]

Holy Shit. If this ends up being in my price range I will be ALL over it. Good God I love you DSM.

[Rush]

WTFOMG, yaywheelovemolestrapeDSMwoohoo!

Subscribing. :D

[warrier04]

my msp can't wait for this upgrade (bow)

[II-Savy]

Wow really impressive. I can't wait to see this.....I'm praying to the low price Gods.(bowdown)

[MazdaDryvr]

So you gain 20hp at stock boost? Where do I sign up? :)

[Mallard]

So you gain 20hp at stock boost? Where do I sign up? :)
no the 27hp gain he said was at 10psi. At stock boost he said peak horsepower is only up ~4hp, but the graph is completely smooth. The gains at stock boost is in the mid-range.

[MikeyBee]

no the 27hp gain he said was at 10psi. At stock boost he said peak horsepower is only up ~4hp, but the graph is completely smooth. The gains at stock boost is in the mid-range.

I was writing down the same stuff Mallard...you beat me to it.

Still, damn good stuff! (would the gains be even better with a downpipe, exhaust, better-than-stock IC (FM or SM)?...chime in guys)

['Sploder]

damn. (humpleg)

[EvilMSP]

I was writing down the same stuff Mallard...you beat me to it.

Still, damn good stuff! (would the gains be even better with a downpipe, exhaust, better-than-stock IC (FM or SM)?...chime in guys)
That is what I am drooling over. My car is stock except for the intake but that's not gonna make any dyno difference, well maybe very very little but the DP is always considered the best/easiest upgrade it seems. I thinik it was like 12+ WHP so imagine after the tuning and added boost. I wouldn't be suprised if the graph just raised like 20 hp again lol. That is just how it seems to me though :)

And yes you guys were correct about stock numbers. The peak gain is very slight on HP/LBS but it gains like a max of 10ish throughout the RPM curve at random places. I MIGHT be able to get the sheet scanned today but don't get your hopes up too soon on that. Hopefully DSM will get a copy and be able to post it up himself.

[TiGrayMsp716]

Cant' wait to see the price....

[DSMConvert]

Alrighty guys I should have dynos and Prices up monday or tuesday at the latest....like chris said these gains were made with a stock car...that means you add exhaust, intake, I/C and the gains go through the roof...man I still cant get over how much damn torque we gained, honestly we were aiming for around 30ish, when I heard we were up around 50lb gain i almost exploded with enthusiasm. This thread will more than likely remain for shits and giggles, but I'll start a new post with everything...

[jeffmsp]

50 pounds of torque from a fuel controller? So all of the mods in my sig make less power than this one product?

[jeffmsp]

btw, will this controller work for me even with the methenol injection, or will the injected meth make the a/f all screwy?

[Mallard]

50 pounds of torque from a fuel controller? So all of the mods in my sig make less power than this one product?
Take note, that 50 ft-lb gain is also after turning up the boost to 10 psi.

As far as your alcohol injection, That's there as an intercooling effect and to prevent detonation. I doubt that would have much, if any, effect on the map. It should just cool off your intake charge more and help you make more power.

[Bhamsan]

How is it going to be hooked up to the ECU? PnP or wire splicing?

[mspeedpro]

i havent read a whole lot of this thread... will this unit allow u to switch easily between differant fuel maps AND boost settings in the cabin???

bad ass product

[jeffmsp]

It should just cool off your intake charge more and help you make more power.

Would the meth not be making the car run richer since it is added fuel?

[pb4ugoout]

Would the meth not be making the car run richer since it is added fuel?



someone please correct me if i'm wrong but i believe it evaporates rather quickly. quickly enough to not really be present as the air enters the cylinder

[hayula]

Alrighty guys I should have dynos and Prices up monday or tuesday at the latest....like chris said these gains were made with a stock car...that means you add exhaust, intake, I/C and the gains go through the roof...man I still cant get over how much damn torque we gained, honestly we were aiming for around 30ish, when I heard we were up around 50lb gain i almost exploded with enthusiasm. This thread will more than likely remain for shits and giggles, but I'll start a new post with everything...

8)...

this is A4 quattro unichip territory. I was told over and over to give up on such impossible dreams, that only a company with a huge market (a4/golf etc) would ever have the incentive/brains to develop of such a chip.

[jeffmsp]

someone please correct me if i'm wrong but i believe it evaporates rather quickly. quickly enough to not really be present as the air enters the cylinder

Methanol injection works much like water injection, cooling the intake charge and preventing detonation, but the methanol also acts as a fuel, and the extra fuel can cause a rich misfire. Ive been prevent the super richness by running high boost, here is a link to a page and here is the part I stole.


Justin Sykes and MotoRex's Sean Morris spent the night in the Skyline searching for the 65 hp that didn't make it to the dyno test. They quickly tracked the problem to the methanol injection system. Methanol injection works much like water injection, cooling the intake charge and preventing detonation, but the methanol also acts as a fuel, and the extra fuel was causing a rich misfire. Over the course of several clandestine freeway runs, they tightened the plug gap, switched to a 50/50 methanol/water mix, and started turning up the boost. After all, they figured, why give it less fuel when you can just give it more air? On the dyno, they were running 19 psi of boost; by the end of the night, they were up to 25 psi. With a gut-wrenching 7000-rpm clutch dump, Sykes ripped off an 11.99-second quarter mile at 118 mph and did 0-60 in a mere 4.11 seconds. We were impressed; Sykes was still disappointed.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0203scc_uscc9/

[EvilMSP]

50 pounds of torque from a fuel controller? So all of the mods in my sig make less power than this one product?
Well if you have your MBC set to 10 psi already, then I guess yes. The stock maps compared to the tuned maps with no PSI may seem like small increases but I bet it counts a lot for the great results seen by upping the boost.

I mean sheesh with all those mods and this chip....that would be crazy lol.

[Bhamsan]

I'd be happy if I could hit low 13's with the stock turbo and my driving skills (or lack thereof). I'm sure fine tuning can get some good HP numbers that could make it possible. I'm still eagerly awaiting more info.

[jeffmsp]

ya, more info (2thumbs)

[mp5smuggler]

im liking this very very much i cant wait to see the dynos and all and find out the price. if its right i hope you guys make plenty of units before you self them cause youll be having folks beating down your door to get these and ill be one of them

[Brian MP5T]

I fear that no matter how well the management is, the FS-20 will not hold 10 PSI for life without folding a ROD... My Opinion...

[MazdaDryvr]

So what are the benefits to we who would stay at stock boost level?

[mp5smuggler]

this sounds like itll smoth out the a/f for all the cars. be they MSP N/A or those that have boosted their MP5's

[Brian MP5T]

Any more info?

[CChris704]

just another novice question, with something like this running at 10 psi, would that be safer then running w/ the stock a/f? I mean drive 14,000 miles and be at less risk or blowin the engine?

[EvilMSP]

just another novice question, with something like this running at 10 psi, would that be safer then running w/ the stock a/f? I mean drive 14,000 miles and be at less risk or blowin the engine?
Yes that is the whole point. The new A/F maps makes the smoothness and added safety happen. Some people just turn their boost up with no supporting mods or tuning and sometimes they can blow their engines. Perhaps they drop into the Lean section of the curve you will see later, floor it, then boom boom goes the zoom zoom.

Also I'd like to add that the dyno will also have a 8 psi curve. And the HP was only like 6 less and the lbs was like 9-10 (sheet not in front me of mow). So it 10 scares you putting it down to 8 is super easy and the losses are not that great.

[MSP #167]

wow i can't wait for this this going to be my next mod, put me on the list now!!!

I'm sure the gains with this along with fmic, and exhaust will be awesome at 10psi.

[goku4658]

this is awesome news! thanks for sharing!

[jeffmsp]

this is awsome, tuning for 12psi is gonna be fun, fun times. (yes I have a replacement motor and an extra head (head FS btw) just in case I join the ZOOM ZOOM BOOM club...)

[Bhamsan]

I'm just dying to get ahold of anything that will fine tune my car. Hopefully this will solve the problem, and will make it possible to run 12psi without my worrying about also joining the zoom zoom boom club.

[II-Savy]

Bump for Monday and the posting of pictures, prices and sheets.

[CChris704]

i want now! bump for dyno sheets...i slept through class today, whoops!

[hayula]

jenga jenga...

[Rush]

NEED INFO!
NEED INFO NOW!
DFOIEURPOEIHYI!!

[DSMConvert]

Ok guys new thread is started in the E & P Section, mods could you please lock this thread.

[Delivery_Guy]

Ok guys new thread is started in the E & P Section, mods could you please lock this thread.

Call me dumb, but where?

[t3ase]

Thread locked by request.