Twin Turbo

[Palartzski]

i just joined this forum and have been really considering getting the msp as my first car. the one thing im a little concerned about is the potential of what the car can do. id really like to put on another turbocharger to the engine but im not really sure if i could do this, especially with a 2L engine. im sure some1 out there must know. if its possible, can ne1 suggest a turbo to put on? if this isnt possible, what other forced induction mods can i do to the car besides a blow off valve? im hoping to put something on the car that can put a serious gain in hp. i want this car to be running and sounding great. nothing really loud like those huge exhausts that people put on their cars..........im not too much of a fan of those. so neways, i just wanted to do a little research on da car b4 im driving around and cant do too much performance to it. ill be getting one next year. still gotta take drivers ed over the summer though.... (doh)

[mspdfreak]

Keep in mind the internals are not forged in this engine. Twin turbo? No, but you can safely put down around 250hp before worrying about popping the motor.

[flat_black]

If you were to go twin turbo, you would have to use something like a GT15... REAAAAALLLLY dinky turbos. Not really worth it. A GT28RS would be a substantial upgrade, though. But not something you could just slap on haphazardly, for sure. It'd take a lot of cashola to get there.

Blow off valves won't gain you squat for power, they just make more noise. You'll probably want a larger intercooler, hard pipes, a decent turbo-back exhaust, and take care of the poorly-tuned factory ECU, say with the unichip, or a decent standalone, if you have the cash...

But once you realize that what I just listed alone is 3500+, PLUS the fact you wouldn't be able to go up in boost too much without forged internals and a good custom tune, which is another 1200 anyway... That's assuming just parts, and you doing all the labor, no less!

At any rate, building a lot of HP on the stock internals will take some serious tuning, and very ACCURATE monitoring/tuning at that, it won't be exactly plug-and-play... As a warning. =)

But, if you have deep pockets, go for it! The car is a blast to drive, especially once you have it configured like it should have been from the factory. =)

[low_psi]

wtf.... you have no idea what you're talking about. i'm not trying to be mean, but it sounds like you've never touched a motor, more or less a turbocharged motor.

twin turboing a protege(or any 4cyl) is one of the worst ideas ever. read the MSP Modder's Guide and then ask some questions. a blow off valve is not the first mod!

Welcome to the site but try to get a handle on the car's mechanics before you start to dream up modifications for it.

[TX Speed Demon]

Yeah if you are looking for a super hi horsepower car look elsewhere. Doing this in an MSP will probably require more money and knowledge than someone currently in Driver's ed has.

Not trying to dis you, just trying to set your level of expectations correctly.

If you want a kick ass starter car that you can mildly mod for moderate prices, learn about the fundamental elements of a turbocharged vehicle, and have a kick ass time in, this may be the right starter car for you.

[Jhova1012]

Lets try this. (not trying to be an asshole or anything)

Im going to assume your my age or younger...

Learn to drive. Not give it gas, turn and stop. I mean learn to drive the car. You HAVE to see how the car reacts in different conditions, this will also allow you to explore the limits of the car in a safe way. You can also determine what you like and dont like about the car (power, handeling, blah blah blah...) No point in having the first twin turbo MSP if you wrap it around a pole because you couldnt pull it out of a slide.

Edit: And like they said, a TT MSP is pointless. The turbo in the car spools plenty fast, and you can still make plenty of power. I dunno about you but if you are close to my age I think 170hp is plenty for someone our age...

[txrxs]

subtract another MSP from the production numbers. If you want a fast car that will make you soo cool in high school go get a mustang.
First post:
Twin turbo on MSP + BOV gains hp + going to drivers ed = no Espect

[Jhova1012]

lol damn that hurts me too...

[Heathen23]

I doubt you'll ever return unless to defend yourself but take your time, read the boards, learn as much as you can, and if you do end up with a msp you'll be in a better spot after soaking up as much knowledge as possible. Enjoy the forums and welcome.

[low_psi]

Its true though. I doubt he has any idea of the cost associated with a twinturbo setup, among all other factors...

EDIT- I hate to shit on new members, so please don't be offended by what I've said. If I can help you get things straigtened out, don't hesitate to PM or email me.

[txrxs]

I wasnt trying to be to much of dick, it's just annoying when peoples first post are like that. I browsed for at least 6 months before i ever posted. It just boggles my mind how you can not even have a car and want more hp for it. Shit, i'm speaking for myself, but if i had an MSP as my first car i'd be dead or have my liscense perminently suspended.

[MSP2NV]

yea if this would have been my first car i'd have been dead a while ago!

But in either case welcome to the boards my friend, enjoy your stay here

[Palartzski]

ok ok let me clear some things up. first off, its quite obvious that i cant twin turbo this car and by now have already completely ditched the idea of it. yeah i know i dont even drive yet but im really into cars. trust me, once YOUR older bro gets an lancer evolution VIII, youll be inspired to look into cars a lot more too. i know the basics abut cars such as how the engine works (hell i even wrote my term paper on it) and other things. i really dont know too much about forced induction too much except for how a turbo works and how a supercharger works. i know understand this car a lot more than i originally did. its not a honda where i, basically, have no limits. and yeah i can now see that i should really enjoy driving the car and getting to know it first before i really start modding it at all. thanks for clearing this up and i really didnt take nething that u guys said personally. dont worry bout that. ill take a better look at the boards and post nething that i really don understand.

P.S. If ya wanna see da evo, heres some pics (http://www.freewebs.com/palartzski/evo.html).

[jeffmsp]

your wrong, a mazdaspeed, just like a honda or any motor has no limitations. You can make anything fast, ANYTHING.

welcome to the board (group)

[SP33D]

its not that you cant twin turbo a mazdaspeed... it's just that it would be a lot of work for minimal gains, and it may even be so innefficient that you could lose horsepower... hell even most supras switch to a bigger single turbo setup.


its not a honda where i, basically, have no limits.every car has its limits, it's just that people have worked on hondas for a lot longer and theres more aftermarket support for them. the more people learn about our car... the more power we can make. hell... im predicting someone hits 500whp before spring *keeps fingers crossed* (good luck to those thumper guys)

ps. your bros evo is sweet and welcome to the forums. it's cool that you get into cars before you get your liscense.. i hope you learn a lot and can do some cool stuff with a MSP (no rice) :)

[mp3moose]

Still sounds like you have a lot to learn sir.

[Puckpimp71]

He's starting in a good place, at least.

[hello2000]

our msp's can be pretty fast with smart mods... such as exhaust, forged internals, fuel management, injectors, fmic, etc...

[Palartzski]

ok heres the first question that has come to mind. what exactly are forged internals? im guessing it has something to do with the inside of the engine but what does it mean for the internals to be forged and wats so good bout it?

[Brian MP5T]

ok heres the first question that has come to mind. what exactly are forged internals? im guessing it has something to do with the inside of the engine but what does it mean for the internals to be forged and wats so good bout it?The stock internals that Mazda uses are designed to let the car run on stock horsepower and normal driving for a very long time. When you start asking more of the engine that it was designed for, you end up putting more of a load on the parts inside. If you start lifting weights and work out, your arm will get stronger, the opposite is true for an engine. If you put a greater load on the engine, you end up with the begining of metal fatigue and eventually the motor will fail. The ammount of dammage you do is built up over time and wear is a problem.

Forged metal parts are made diferently and are much more expensive so Mazda didn't use them in the engine. They are stronger and made to handle the added loads that a tuner rather than a modder is looking for. Anything over 6-7 Psi, you should start to look at going forged. There are many people who are pussing the upper limits of 12+ on stock internals, consider them very lucky (So Far)

Evaluate what you want you car to do. Ie. How much HP and What kind of 1/4 Mile times you want and we can come up with a shopping list of minimum modifications for you to think about.

Welcome to the board. Brian...

Trust me... This is my new engine...

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/New%20Block%202.jpg

This is my old one. Notice that you can see through it?
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/Boom%206.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/BOOM.jpg

[Brian MP5T]

It's cheaper to do it all correctly the first time.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/New%20Block%204.jpg

[Gen3ProLx]

i just joined this forum and have been really considering getting the msp as my first car. the one thing im a little concerned about is the potential of what the car can do. id really like to put on another turbocharger to the engine but im not really sure if i could do this, especially with a 2L engine. im sure some1 out there must know. if its possible, can ne1 suggest a turbo to put on? if this isnt possible, what other forced induction mods can i do to the car besides a blow off valve? im hoping to put something on the car that can put a serious gain in hp. i want this car to be running and sounding great. nothing really loud like those huge exhausts that people put on their cars..........im not too much of a fan of those. so neways, i just wanted to do a little research on da car b4 im driving around and cant do too much performance to it. ill be getting one next year. still gotta take drivers ed over the summer though.... (doh)


ALL CARS CAN BE MADE FAST WITH ENOUGH CASH

If your looking for a inexpensive vehicle you can bolt on some parts for power cheap, your looking at the wrong car, Look at a civic

If you want a good quality car, that has alot of potential, but doesnt have alot of bolt on's, but you can get good results with carefull tuning and $$$, got a protege

There are great deals on them, but the engine needs work for power

To prep the engine for Hp cost.

[Gen3ProLx]

It's cheaper to do it all correctly the first time.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/New%20Block%204.jpg


What the hell happened to your Engine? (did it blow during a turbo surge or something?)

How long ago did that happen?

[Gen3ProLx]

It's cheaper to do it all correctly the first time.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Brian%20MP5T/New%20Block%204.jpg

It looks scarry, were you racing and it blew? (if so) it might of been a turbo surge, I heard a buy had his Mazdaspeed on 12 psi, but it surged to like 17 or something, and kablewie, his shit went bang.

When did it happen?

[Brian MP5T]

It looks scarry, were you racing and it blew? (if so) it might of been a turbo surge, I heard a buy had his Mazdaspeed on 12 psi, but it surged to like 17 or something, and kablewie, his shit went bang.

When did it happen?
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84161 (rockon)

[Gen3ProLx]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84161 (rockon)


Wasnt there a monumental battle with some guy about this very thing......
forging the internals and stuff like that. This guy said something about the engine being too week & boosting too high would blow the engine, and everybody told him he was nuts, and he didnt take it very well....he freaked out.

but It looks like he was right.

In the sence the engine is week and if you dont forge your engine would blow

[Brian MP5T]

Wasnt there a monumental battle with some guy about this very thing......
forging the internals and stuff like that. This guy said something about the engine being too week & boosting too high would blow the engine, and everybody told him he was nuts, and he didnt take it very well....he freaked out.

but It looks like he was right.

In the sence the engine is week and if you dont forge your engine would blow
Monumental...No.

[Palartzski]

ok fine yeah i guess my wording was wrong, any car can be made fast. the whole forged internals makes complete sense to me. wat ive always been thinking to do with the protege is to mainly focus on forced induction, intake and exhaust, slight suspension (as in lowering it a bit), and then a few details with the looks like strobe lights, interior neon lights, alpine speakers and thats bout it. i want to keep the cars natural look (as in not putting a huge ass spoiler on it or anything like that). with the horsepower, somewhere around 200 would be nice. maybe 220-230. if i really could, 260. the least would have to be 200-210. im aiming to pay 10 grande for the car wen i get it if i can find one thats in a pleasing condition. if not 12-14 grande and if i really have to, 15 grande(15 is basically all my money that i have been saving). and believe me, ive seen proteges for all of these prices and they seemed believable. if you need anything more specific for the ods, lemme know. and what exactly does it mean for a car to have psi (per square inch)? what does it involve? o and by the way, thanks for all of the help so far. this forum actually knows wat its talking about unlike all the other car forums i used to be a part of.

Update: Aiming for my protege to look something like this (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/628231) .

[mazdaspeedpower]

My friend...good to see someone younger than me here, welcome, and I'm pretty sure you could get a used MSP in that price range. And yes, if you plan on modding it heavily, go Forged Internals...PSI refers to the boost level of the turbo charger. On a stock engine in the MSP higher than 12 psi equals the picture BrianP5T showed you..lol blown motor. I'm sure while you're doing drivers ed and such, and researching here, you will know enough to mod an MSP nicely, and not blow it up, which is a very good thing. Another thing to know, the MSP has the same block as the regular protege 2.0L, so if you blow an engine, you can usually get a used block out of a wrecked car, and for a decent price. For starting though, I suggest getting yourself either A FMIC(front mount intercooler) and hardpipes(replaces plastci pipes with lots of restriction with smooth metal pipes) and those kits usually come with an upgraded Blow Off Valve, and a higher flow intake(or a cold air intake) or an upgraded SMIC(Side mount intercooler(stock location) usually a larger core size, or more effecient), also look into at the bare minimum a Boost/Vac Guage to watch your boost levels. Start off right with an Electronic Boost Controller, and boost MAX. 9psi(stay safe for the first while). Those mods there will cost a fair little shake, but will improve your cars effecientcy, and make it faster too...which is what you want. And with those pics you showed(being an almost completely stock MSP), you'd want either the Wings West Carbon Fibre Evo, or a VIS CF evo, or one of the countless other evo hoods on the market(search on here to check the quality, as, if it's on the market, someone here owns it, and has posted about it...and be warned, you'll be told to search about alot...got a question, do a quick seach and see if anything pops up right away), and you'll want some DGM CF eyelids. Lowering springs...there's lots...I might go with ION...springs is really in the eye of beholder...meaning stock feel VS better/worse ride quality with a lower profile etc...etc..handling...etc. The stereo that comes with the car is pretty good, so you'll be happy with that(nice head unit and speakers), though if your a fan of booming bass, take out the stock 8inch sub and put in a 10inch sub in wutever type of enclosure you prefer and accompany it with another amp.....I'm to tired to type anything else right now, but this should be good for starters(others will chime in anyways)...soo, good luck with everything, and way to start off your driving right by going through drivers ed...it will make a world of difference, and good start with a nice car. I'm sure your bro will help you out a bit with some things(which is cool)...have fun with the car, and be safe man....and word of advice for another soon to be FS-DE(thats the engine code) owner...don't boost too high on the stock internals...pay money ahead to save more money later...I suggest Oliver Rod and Piston Combo(do a search, they're all over here)...and PEACE

[mazdaspeedpower]

I hope that helps a little..cause my eyes hurt, and my wrists are sore now...lol

[DigitalHeadShot]

Well I hate to post what im about to say because I know the flames will come soon after that.. But you my friend, you have just discribed yourself an srt-4. Look for a used one around that price and a couple of mods you will power out the ass.

Seriously though, the msp isnt a power hungry car. It IS a champ right out of the lot. Sure you can improve but this car is so fickel its like modding a VW. Parts a rare compaired to other cars out there.

Just bare in mind if you want power and strobes I dont think this is the car your looking for. Its on a different level, its just kinnda its own beast (rockon) .

[Brian MP5T]

Read Maximum Boost and ask all questions you have BEFORE starting anything. Rather be flamed than waste 10 Grand and end up with nothing.

[mazdaspeedpower]

/\/\/\/\ Indeed that is true..and I think he's got the idea...even after beeing flamed by buttholes the whole first page, he still asked questions..some good ones too. He's starting in the right place..also, it's possible to get power out of this..all he wants is low 200hp...which is very acheivable in this car...the mods I suggested, plus a few others(some no brainers like better plugs to make safe of course), and he'd acheive his goal, plus have money for strobes and a CF hood...sooo, since thats what he wants, he can have it, and prolly in the price range he suggested tooo...so give the kid a break, he knows he not getting a hot-rod, but rather a nice little street warrior...I support you 100% man, and keep the questions firing, Brians right, questions now, safer, better mods later..and a happier driving/ownership experience..and you seem to understand the quality if hard work for money, which means you'll use your head a bit more than someone who has a car given to them. This is also part of a good start, you're getting off on the right foot in many ways, keep on trucking, and don't let the flames get you down man. oh Digitalheadshot, I think he likes the MSP, cause of the looks...something a stock srt-4 lacks...of course, he could always spend perf money making the car look good, and handle well..or spend money on perf with the speed...either way, both nice cars

[DigitalHeadShot]

Hey I think its great he didnt fold under the pressure some of us asshats put on people. Yes he is learning and made an honest mistake HOWEVER he did learn and I say hats off to the little lad.

[mazdaspeedpower]

Hey I think its great he didnt fold under the pressure some of us asshats put on people. Yes he is learning and made an honest mistake HOWEVER he did learn and I say hats off to the little lad.
indeed, us wee ones learn quickly(I'm just a youngin myself after all)

[DigitalHeadShot]

indeed, us wee ones learn quickly(I'm just a youngin myself after all)

To clear the smoke im only 22 so I dont wanna hear old fart jokes (flame)

[Brian MP5T]

I like fart Jokes...

[Palartzski]

My friend...good to see someone younger than me here, welcome, and I'm pretty sure you could get a used MSP in that price range. And yes, if you plan on modding it heavily, go Forged Internals...PSI refers to the boost level of the turbo charger. On a stock engine in the MSP higher than 12 psi equals the picture BrianP5T showed you..lol blown motor. I'm sure while you're doing drivers ed and such, and researching here, you will know enough to mod an MSP nicely, and not blow it up, which is a very good thing. Another thing to know, the MSP has the same block as the regular protege 2.0L, so if you blow an engine, you can usually get a used block out of a wrecked car, and for a decent price. For starting though, I suggest getting yourself either A FMIC(front mount intercooler) and hardpipes(replaces plastci pipes with lots of restriction with smooth metal pipes) and those kits usually come with an upgraded Blow Off Valve, and a higher flow intake(or a cold air intake) or an upgraded SMIC(Side mount intercooler(stock location) usually a larger core size, or more effecient), also look into at the bare minimum a Boost/Vac Guage to watch your boost levels. Start off right with an Electronic Boost Controller, and boost MAX. 9psi(stay safe for the first while). Those mods there will cost a fair little shake, but will improve your cars effecientcy, and make it faster too...which is what you want. And with those pics you showed(being an almost completely stock MSP), you'd want either the Wings West Carbon Fibre Evo, or a VIS CF evo, or one of the countless other evo hoods on the market(search on here to check the quality, as, if it's on the market, someone here owns it, and has posted about it...and be warned, you'll be told to search about alot...got a question, do a quick seach and see if anything pops up right away), and you'll want some DGM CF eyelids. Lowering springs...there's lots...I might go with ION...springs is really in the eye of beholder...meaning stock feel VS better/worse ride quality with a lower profile etc...etc..handling...etc. The stereo that comes with the car is pretty good, so you'll be happy with that(nice head unit and speakers), though if your a fan of booming bass, take out the stock 8inch sub and put in a 10inch sub in wutever type of enclosure you prefer and accompany it with another amp.....I'm to tired to type anything else right now, but this should be good for starters(others will chime in anyways)...soo, good luck with everything, and way to start off your driving right by going through drivers ed...it will make a world of difference, and good start with a nice car. I'm sure your bro will help you out a bit with some things(which is cool)...have fun with the car, and be safe man....and word of advice for another soon to be FS-DE(thats the engine code) owner...don't boost too high on the stock internals...pay money ahead to save more money later...I suggest Oliver Rod and Piston Combo(do a search, they're all over here)...and PEACE

wow dude thanks a lot for ure help and encouragement. the srt-4 did one time come to mind. i thought about it but i never really liked (and still dont like) dodge in the first place. sure its got a ton of power but its hard to find one in the 10 grande range that doesnt need any repairs. also, i like how the msp looks more than the srt-4, which is an extra plus. sure parts for the protege will be harder to find but i think ill be able to manage. plus, ure never really gonna have a heavily modded car for ure FIRST car. ure first car is most likely not going to have the lambo doors, 19 inch spinner rims, and the 7,000 dollar turbo unless ure a lucky rich bastard. i chose he msp since i can still mildly mod it with the money that i have and it still gets a couple good looks on the street (or atleast i sure as hell did the first time i saw one). my next question would have to be how to realy get forged internals. are there certain parts that you have to get? welding? i really wouldnt be doing ne of this except if it was a strap on part and that would be from a family friend of mine who i would work with together. also, ne good places to look through to find some of the parts u mentioned?

[Brian MP5T]

...my next question would have to be how to realy get forged internals. are there certain parts that you have to get?
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82136
Here is all the info you need on where...



http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83298
Here is Turfburns rebuild...

[mazdaspeedpower]

wow dude thanks a lot for ure help and encouragement. the srt-4 did one time come to mind. i thought about it but i never really liked (and still dont like) dodge in the first place. sure its got a ton of power but its hard to find one in the 10 grande range that doesnt need any repairs. also, i like how the msp looks more than the srt-4, which is an extra plus. sure parts for the protege will be harder to find but i think ill be able to manage. plus, ure never really gonna have a heavily modded car for ure FIRST car. ure first car is most likely not going to have the lambo doors, 19 inch spinner rims, and the 7,000 dollar turbo unless ure a lucky rich bastard. i chose he msp since i can still mildly mod it with the money that i have and it still gets a couple good looks on the street (or atleast i sure as hell did the first time i saw one). my next question would have to be how to realy get forged internals. are there certain parts that you have to get? welding? i really wouldnt be doing ne of this except if it was a strap on part and that would be from a family friend of mine who i would work with together. also, ne good places to look through to find some of the parts u mentioned? Forged internals means u replace ur rods and pistons...all you need to do is remove the bottom end of the motor, and take the old ones(rods and pistons off of crankshaft) and putting new ones on...sounds simple...it's not..lol..a very expensive endevour. as for the other parts...check places like www.corksport.com (http://www.corksport.com) www.hiboost.com (http://www.hiboost.com) (or www.hi-boost.com (http://www.hi-boost.com)) http://*************** www.protege5online.com (http://www.protege5online.com) www.essentialspeed.com (http://www.essentialspeed.omc) www.ionperformance.com (http://www.ionperformance.com) (if any are incorrect, let me know)umm, theres so many places out there, we really aren't that limited..just recently there was a whole thread on the multiple FMIC's and SMIC's..search FMIC for forged internals search Forged Internals(kinda obvious there...lol). Forged internals are not really 'strap on' parts, rather take engine out of car, take off bottom end, replace, reload, and put engine back in car...maybe you can do it with the engine in the car if you are a miracle workers, and Genie..lol..otherwise, engines gotta come out..big work...since you plan to only mildly mod, stay below 10psi(stock turbo), and before doing that, atleast get the hardpipes and either FMIC or SMIC, then you can boost 9psi somewhat safely(don't boost hard core in high end 5th..not that you need to be boosting at 200km/h anyway:D) then from there, get NGK colder plugs(I beleive corksport carries them...get these before you boost 9psi) then you can do some exhaust work(this really benifits the MSP). Those few basic mods(basically all breathgin mods-FMIC/SMIC, Plugs, Boost controller(and gauge)..i suggest Apexi AVC-R or Greddy Profec BII..and exhaust(from just a simple cat back to a full turboback..we beneift greatly from a Down Pipe..even with a stocker exhaust.) and with those mods, you'll be flying..seriously, much better performance..then from there, you can have some fun with the looks of the car(Lowering, hood, Tail-lights(don't get chrome Altezza..kinda ricey) Xenon lights, if you desire them Strobes and Neons(cannot drive around with these, these are a parking lot only toy..unless you want a moving violation aka ticket from the man)) and there ya go mate. Hope that helps some more...trying to help a fellow young driver..and remember, be safe...if ur gonna go fast, make sure its a clear road, and good conditions, make sure you know your car before you go fast...never street race unless you are beyond 100% sure the road is completely clear of all traffic and pedestrians(and cops), and never do double the speed limit or higher(they take your liscence and impound you car right away)...I could say don't go fast, but thats like putting weed and acid infront of a hippie and saying stay clean and watch these for me...lol

EDIT* For looks and Carbon Fibre stuff..check www.dgmotorsports.com and www.vishoods.com also www.wingswest.com

[Brian MP5T]

...maybe you can do it with the engine in the car if you are a miracle workers, and Genie..lol..otherwise, engines gotta come out..big work...
It can be done, but you need to ballance the crank and the block should be milled so it really is a "Engine Out" project...

[Captain KRM P5]

palartzski, where in IL are you at?

[mazdaspeedpower]

It can be done, but you need to ballance the crank and the block should be milled so it really is a "Engine Out" project... yeah, well, you know more about the whole rebuilding with forged...I have no experience yet...but, since I'm running a protege, I'm sure at some point she'll pop and I'll get the pleasrue of a rebuild...yippee

[Captain KRM P5]

as for the other parts...check places like...
... www.protegegarage.com (http://www.protegegarage.com) :) ahem

[Brian MP5T]

yeah, well, you know more about the whole rebuilding with forged...I have no experience yet...but, since I'm running a protege, I'm sure at some point she'll pop and I'll get the pleasrue of a rebuild...yippee
It's alot simpler than it seems.

[mazdaspeedpower]

To clear the smoke im only 22 so I dont wanna hear old fart jokes (flame)
thought I smelled something(rockon)

and sorry protegegarage...I was just naming off a few from the top of my head...thanks for adding yours

[Palartzski]

... www.protegegarage.com (http://www.protegegarage.com) :) ahem
south suburbs of chicago. yeah im polish. dont know if that means nething to u but theres a ton of polaks at chicago. theres more polish people in chcago than in the capitol of poland warsaw. ill post more later. im super beat from halloween.

[Brian MP5T]

south suburbs of chicago. yeah im polish. dont know if that means nething to u but theres a ton of polaks at chicago. theres more polish people in chcago than in the capitol of poland warsaw. ill post more later. im super beat from halloween.

(eek2)

[txrxs]

being polish rocks the fucking house, that being said, check out the photo section. There's a 03 mica MSP for sale there(wrong section by the way). It has a rebuilt title and the dude wants 8K, you wont find one cheaper. The car is located in Ohio. Shit i'd be all over it if i had the money.

[jred321]

uh oh, polish people trying to work on cars :p

[nate0123]

Hmm, I'm not sure if I could in good conscience help someone this new to driving mod his car to 200+ whp. I personally think that if he likes the looks of the MSP, he should find an MP3, and learn to drive on that. Few years down the road, maybe then turbo the MP3 or buy something faster. Hell, I've been driving for nearly 7 years, and I still manage to have a lot of fun with around 110 whp. :D

MP3 > MSP for first driver

[Brian MP5T]

A Turbo does do very violent things to a car...

[Mr. Win]

At least your willing to learn... luckily were a tight forum. Read up a ton... There is endless amount of information and they're several people willing to help as you can see. Id say the best way to learn about turbo is to be involed in installing one. If your bro has a evo and isnt a total idiot he could teach you a few things.

[Brian MP5T]

^^^ Agreed but Buying a Turbo Car does not make you a Turbo Smart Person...

[mazdaspeedpower]

Hmm, I'm not sure if I could in good conscience help someone this new to driving mod his car to 200+ whp. I personally think that if he likes the looks of the MSP, he should find an MP3, and learn to drive on that. Few years down the road, maybe then turbo the MP3 or buy something faster. Hell, I've been driving for nearly 7 years, and I still manage to have a lot of fun with around 110 whp. :D

MP3 > MSP for first driver
I'm a new driver and I drive an MSP, and will be modding in a while...the thing is, I know to kinda take it easy, and have been getting a feel for driving for a while, and I never really push the car..well, occasionally I do, but I mean, I'm havin nuff fun just cruising, and knowing I could crush that shity hinda that just ricer flew by me...I also, know that certain conditions really affect driving...I' leanred most of this in drivers training, and he's taking drivers training...soo yeah.lol

[txrxs]

years of driving experience > drivers ed

[Brian MP5T]

^^^ Ha!

[jred321]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeedVehicle sProtege
this looks like some good info, i didn't really read it but the pictures looked good :)

[Palartzski]

wow man thanks a lot for that info right there. well, just dont trust a polish person with a civic. plus, im some of the very few smart polish people out there since im almost all honors classes. neways, trust me i will definetely be a smart driver most of the time. i think the whole concept of street racing is pretty kool but u have to be pretty stupid to actually do it. also, ive seen enuf car crashes in my area to really impact me enuf to not do too much speeding. one of the first things im definetely doing to my car is getting four-point racing harnesses. thanks again for all the help u guys.

[Tommy1005]

schroth makes a really good 4 point harness, that tucks out of the way when not in use, they are about $120 each, but I would not recommend them on the street, as it is easier to submarine out of them than stock seatbelts, but if you flip they will definitely hold you in better. I would worry more on upgrading other areas of the car before worrying about harnesses. I would check out www.*************** (http://www.***************) talk to Cullen when you want to get something and tell him that I sent you. I'm running 10psi, and all the mods in my sig, which are similar to what you would be looking at. I got most of the upgrades used, and I've got around $1000 in the car and should put down somewhere just north of 200hp, I will find out in the next couple weeks exactly how much power I'm making. If you have any questions feel free to PM me and I will help you out as much as I can, or try to point you in the right direction if I can't help out.

Tommy

[mazdaspeedpower]

explain submarine out???sorry..I'm an idiot

[Tommy1005]

sliding out from under the harness.....thus the submarine strap in the 5-point harnesses, or atleast that's what I've always heard it refered to as.

[Palartzski]

o alrighty yeah that seems pretty good. thanks for the help. hey heres a quick question, what do sway bars to? ive seen them in practically every car in import magazines.

[Tommy1005]

sway bars tie the underneath of the car, more specifically the bottom of the suspension together giving the chassis extra stiffnes, therefore increasing the cornering ablility and reducing body roll. i.e.- stiffer sway bars = less roll

[Brian MP5T]

o alrighty yeah that seems pretty good. thanks for the help. hey heres a quick question, what do sway bars to? ive seen them in practically every car in import magazines.
A Sway Bar ties the left side to the right side. As the car wants to roll around a corner the inside tire is pusshed up, the second tire is forced up as well and the car stays "More Level" less body roll

[Palartzski]

o i c so wat about a strut bar? wat do those things do? o and by the way, i dont really want a mazda 3. theyre nice cars but theyre more money and plus, the protege is well.....................more special. u definetely dont see as many mazdaspeed proteges as a mazda3. the msp is more mmy type of car. i also think u get more from the msp than the 3.

[RyanJayG]

stiffen the chassis via the upper strut mounts.

also, to clarify more on sway bars, the increase your effective spring rate in turns, while not hindering it when driving straight. in other words, softer while driving on straight bumpy roads and stiffer in the corners

[Palartzski]

wow thanks man for clearing that even more up for me. also, mazdaspeedpower, just wanted to let u know that i printed out a buncha of ure stuff since it helped me out that much and will be keeping it for future references. trust, ure wrists didnt hurt without a cause.

[Brian MP5T]

Let Us Know How It Goes!

[Palartzski]

ive been wondering. would any parts for the regular protege fit the mazdaspeed protege? wouldnt any of the parts for the engine fit since both cars have the same kind of engine?

[jred321]

yes, many parts from the regular protege fit

[Brian MP5T]

ive been wondering. would any parts for the regular protege fit the mazdaspeed protege? wouldnt any of the parts for the engine fit since both cars have the same kind of engine?Many part fit however, the radiator isn't the same and there are many diferences with the intake system as well. Most suspension parts are identical, except the spring sets come in P5 and Sedan becauise of the weight diference. Many people use MSP springs on the P5 to get a lower ride...

[Palartzski]

o alright thanks for the clearing up :)