BEGi FMIC…Q&A with Corky…

[tlo]

BEGi FMIC…Q&A with Corky…

It’s easy to notice that I haven’t been on this forum for very long but the conversation I just had with Corky at BEGi performance has really helped my learning curve. So I wish to share what we talked about…

This may help some who have been trying to decide on what FMIC to purchase…

Please note that I know relatively little about this topic and what I tell you is basically a summarized transcript of our conversation about the BEGi FMIC…

There have been many that have questioned the design of Corky’s BEGi FMIC and I hope this will help with some of the questions…

Q1) Why did you choose to use steel pipes as opposed to aluminum piping?

A1) I didn’t choose to use aluminum for the following reasons:
-Aluminum transfers more heat than steal
-Aluminum is far pricier for what you get in return
-Ding’s really easy and you can’t repair it once it’s damaged
-A polished aluminum pipe will corrode far faster than a powder coated steel pipe
Note: this can be delayed if you wax the pipe as opposed to polishing the pipe (He mentioned that polishing the pipe will actually corrode the pipe even faster)
-Steel on the other had is far cheaper than aluminum
-Powder coating Steel is far better than powder coating aluminum
-You have better welds with steel than with aluminum (smaller beads)
-It’s far tougher and resistant to dings
-Weight is the only disadvantage
Note: This is the equivalent to roughly a pound in weight (He mentioned that you could make this up by taking a wiz before getting in you car)

Q2) Will you ship the BEGi FMIC with out powder coat so it can be polished later?

A2) If you would like, I can do that, BUT the metal will corrode immediately if you don’t do something to treat it. His suggestion is that you get it Nickel coated…Will last forever and looks great…
Note: He is checking to see if he can get this done for us before it goes out. (VERY COOL)

Q3) Can you get the FMIC straight from you?

A3) Yes as well as others…(ProtegeGarage)

Q4) Dimensions of the FMIC?

A4) 18in x 3in x 6 1/8in

Q5) Explain the efficiency you claim out of the FMIC

A5) There are four things you want to keep in mind when designing an intercooler
1. Get heat out
2. Minimize Restrictions
3. Least possible volume
4. reasonable price

Details on number (3)
Volume is not import for boast per say...”I could fill up my whole office with pressure from a turbo in less then a second. So no matter how large you core is, that turbo is going to fill it up...Where the volume is important is when you let off the gas…Flow meter lag…If the FMIC is designed correctly (and installed correctly) it will take care of this back pressure” This is were the design of the BEGi and it’s efficiency really shows up. “The faster you can make the air move the better you can make the heat transfer…The draw back is, you create more drag when the air is moving that fast” The answer is to find a good medium of efficiency and pressure loss or “drag”. He mentioned that a good intercooler will be in the 80% efficiency range with, if I recall right, a .25 or .5 psi loss to drag.
His intercooler is right in that range…

The BEGi is rated to have a 2psi increase in overall pressure…

There was more but this was all the good stuff that I got done…
Hope this helps…and I hope I got it all right
Thanks…
I’m going with the BEGi FMIC…

[mazdaowner123]

Awesome info.

~brian

[strongbear0]

"Aluminum transfers more heat than steal"

That's the main reason to use aluminum over stailnless steel. It transfers more heat and in doing so takes the heat away from the charge. There have been hundeds of tests done on intake temperatures and it has been proven that intake temps are lower when aluminum is used.

Do a little research and you will see why the best choice for intercooler piping is aluminum. Even with the hiboost kit the cold pipe is made from aluminum while all the others are mild steel. Perrin=aluminum, turbohoses=aluminum, pannauto=aluminum. Must be some reason everyone is using aluminum.

[Stormtrooper77]

"Aluminum transfers more heat than steal"

That's the main reason to use aluminum over stailnless steel. It transfers more heat and in doing so takes the heat away from the charge. There have been hundeds of tests done on intake temperatures and it has been proven that intake temps are lower when aluminum is used.

Do a little research and you will see why the best choice for intercooler piping is aluminum. Even with the hiboost kit the cold pipe is made from aluminum while all the others are mild steel. Perrin=aluminum, turbohoses=aluminum, pannauto=aluminum. Must be some reason everyone is using aluminum.
I think what is meant here is that aluminum gets hotter than steel does. Actually, there was a test somewhere (I don't know where) where a comparison was done with an intake consisting of aluminum tubing and one with ss tubing. After about an hour of running, the aluminum intake was too hot to touch, while the ss intake was warm.

[peepsalot]

It seems like good heat transfer on pipes is beneficial in some places, and not so much in others. So it is hard to say which pipe is best for intake temps, and it probably varies depending on the layout of the particular car.

I would think that the ideal pipe setup could be created like so(although the gains would probably not be worth the effort.) Test the air temp inside and outside the tubing at every point along the intake system. If the oustide air temp is higher than the inside then you want that section of pipe insulated(put header wrap on, or use low conductive material for pipe). Otherwise you want to be able to radiate as much heat as possible. You also may need to make sure pipe is insulated well from it's connections to the turbo or throttle body, depending on the temps of those.

[tlo]

Received word from Ken at Protegegarage that Corky WILL be able to coat the pipes in your choice of Nickel, Chrome, and another coat that has a metal flake in it...Supposed to look awesome...
All at a price that is very close to the powdered coat price...
Just an update...
Thanks...

[MSPinVA]

I still don't understand why people use aluminum pipes. It's thermodynamic principles people: Heat transfers from hot to cold, period. That is law. If you cool the charge air temperature to below ambient engine temperature, then the charge air will heat. Aluminum has a lower specific heat than steel, making it hotter faster, but also cooling faster. The pipe will NEVER cool off while the car is running, and all the pipe is doing is heating back up your charge temps (heat travels hot to cold - hot pipe heats the colder charge temps, not the hotter ambient temps). The steel will stay cooler, longer, thereby decreasing your charge temps, unless you drive around for hours and hours without stopping to let your car cool off. It still boggles me why people spend ungodly amounts of money on these aluminum pipes. You want an aluminum intercooler for that same reason however, because of its great heat transferring properties, but not for hardpipes.

[Bhamsan]

When I kept referring to "polished" pipes, I meant something shiny, so chrome will do. This answers my question exactly.

[gboromsp]

Does anyone have any pics of this fmic with the front end on the car. I want to see how it compares to my Ion fmic. Sounds like a good product. I have stainless stell pipes on mine and they are much better than aluminum in my opinion. They never seem to get hot to the touch. I'm not sure about aluminum, I have never dealt with them.

[strongbear0]

I think what is meant here is that aluminum gets hotter than steel does. Actually, there was a test somewhere (I don't know where) where a comparison was done with an intake consisting of aluminum tubing and one with ss tubing. After about an hour of running, the aluminum intake was too hot to touch, while the ss intake was warm.

Who cares about how hot the pipe gets, the goal of an intercooler is to cool the charge, and aluminum resultes in a cooler intake temp and colder is better.

[strongbear0]

I see that reason goes to the wayside in this post. If steel is so much better than why dl, greddy, perrin, turbohoses, hks, and ever other large manufacturer of fmic's use aluminum. If steel were so much better than you would think that they would switch to steel.

[YuYuRena]

Who cares about how hot the pipe gets, the goal of an intercooler is to cool the charge, and aluminum resultes in a cooler intake temp and colder is better.
The core is aluminum. I believe we're discussing piping. And I agree aluminum pipes are just going to heat up what you cool down with the intercooler. Heat also go from high to low. so if your charge air is cooled by the IC then it's lower in heat than your engine bay. Now the aluminum pipe is not going to extract more heat from the pipe (charged air) to the engine bay because it has better heat transfer. Instead it'll draw the heat around the engine bay and direct it on the aluminum pipe because the air in the aluminum pipe is cooler than the ambient (engine bay) air temp.

If you can get heat to flow from low to high, I think you would solver our energy crisis mr. next bill gates

[Delivery_Guy]

I see that reason goes to the wayside in this post. If steel is so much better than why dl, greddy, perrin, turbohoses, hks, and ever other large manufacturer of fmic's use aluminum. If steel were so much better than you would think that they would switch to steel.

You should be careful about thinking that something is better just because that is what everyone else does. Look at the missionary position for example.

Aluminum on the cold side of the IC doesn't make much sense because it will cause the charge air to heat up more (than steel) between the IC and Throttle body. That's not good.

[strongbear0]

The core is aluminum. I believe we're discussing piping. And I agree aluminum pipes are just going to heat up what you cool down with the intercooler. Heat also go from high to low. so if your charge air is cooled by the IC then it's lower in heat than your engine bay. Now the aluminum pipe is not going to extract more heat from the pipe (charged air) to the engine bay because it has better heat transfer. Instead it'll draw the heat around the engine bay and direct it on the aluminum pipe because the air in the aluminum pipe is cooler than the ambient (engine bay) air temp.

If you can get heat to flow from low to high, I think you would solver our energy crisis mr. next bill gates

(fu)

[strongbear0]

You should be careful about thinking that something is better just because that is what everyone else does. Look at the missionary position for example.

Aluminum on the cold side of the IC doesn't make much sense because it will cause the charge air to heat up more (than steel) between the IC and Throttle body. That's not good.

You still have not answered why intake temps are cooler with aluminum compared to steel. And I think I would take the word of hks and greddy engineers over you. If they were not trying to produce the best product possible then they would include steel piping like all the other inferior products on the market. I chose perring because it is the best for our cars and it is a PROVEN FACT that intake temps are cooler when aluminum pipes are used. But what the hell, I don't care what you do with your money. If you want steel buy steel but don't make false statements. Aluminum pipes = cooler temps.

[Striker187]

i saw some pics on the protegegarage website.....does anybody understand the route this piping is taking???

tlo....tell ken to post more pics of the kit :)

[tlo]

Here's a thread posted by Ken about the Group buy in on the BEGi FMIC...It has a pic too...
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86008
Hope that helps some...
I'll let Ken know when I talk with him again...
Thanks!!!

[lamp3]

I just want to know if yall know how long corky has been doing turbo's and intercoolers? I LONG Friggin time!! Hell, he wrote the book on it. Litteraly.

[jaxmsp]

You still have not answered why intake temps are cooler with aluminum compared to steel. And I think I would take the word of hks and greddy engineers over you. If they were not trying to produce the best product possible then they would include steel piping like all the other inferior products on the market. I chose perring because it is the best for our cars and it is a PROVEN FACT that intake temps are cooler when aluminum pipes are used. But what the hell, I don't care what you do with your money. If you want steel buy steel but don't make false statements. Aluminum pipes = cooler temps.
We do not know how these temps are being measured. If these test results are from measuring the temp of the pipe itself, then the aluminum "cold" pipe metal will measure cooler than that of a steel pipe. That's because the pipe, which is conducting heat from the engine bay, is transferring its heat to the air within the pipe, which is then taken into the engine. That is exactly what is happening with aluminum hard piping -- and it WILL cause higher air intake temps, if these temps are properly measured. Not good.

Aluminum is a far better heat conductor than steel because it has a much higher thermal conductivity rating. Period. And that's why it's the material of choice for dissapating heat. You do not want to dissapate heat in this case, you want to insulate from it. And here's the real heresy to all the aluminum hardpipers: next to silicone pipes, the stock plastic pipes will do that better than anything else!

[strongbear0]

We do not know how these temps are being measured. If these test results are from measuring the temp of the pipe itself, then the aluminum "cold" pipe metal will measure cooler than that of a steel pipe. That's because the pipe, which is conducting heat from the engine bay, is transferring its heat to the air within the pipe, which is then taken into the engine. That is exactly what is happening with aluminum hard piping -- and it WILL cause higher air intake temps, if these temps are properly measured. Not good.

Aluminum is a far better heat conductor than steel because it has a much higher thermal conductivity rating. Period. And that's why it's the material of choice for dissapating heat. You do not want to dissapate heat in this case, you want to insulate from it. And here's the real heresy to all the aluminum hardpipers: next to silicone pipes, the stock plastic pipes will do that better than anything else!

Blah, Blah, Blah. Intake temp are lower when aluminum is used, as in the air going into the tb is lower you idiot. What other intake temp would we be talking about with an intercooler. Explain why it is lower when aluminum is utilized over steel.

[Captain KRM P5]

Since when does HiBoost use aluminum? I've been selling his pieces for a while now...

Temperature efficiency to the intake charge is 30% or better on average than stock with the mild steel pipes on this FMIC kit. If the test results don't do much to convince you of this kit's effectiveness then I imagine not much will.

Tiran, good post, thanks for bringing up these comprehensive points.

[Bhamsan]

I thought the coldpipe of the Hiboost kit used aluminum? Anyways, I think eveyrone can argue steel vs aluminum, but unless you're a physicist (not just taking physics) or an engineer, you can't really prove anything, its all assumptions based on what you just assume to be common sense. I honestly don't know which is better, but I seriously doubt that it will make that much difference unless you're running at the max capabilities of these FMICs, and I seriously doubt any of you guys are. If one was really superior to the other, I doubt any companies would use inferior pipes, whether they be steel, aluminum, or McDonald's drinking straws.

[jeffmsp]

how would this FMIC setup compare to the hiBoost FMIC setup? Pretty much the same kind of gains?

[Bhamsan]

how would this FMIC setup compare to the hiBoost FMIC setup? Pretty much the same kind of gains?
My guess is yes, but I have not seen any numbers from the hiboost kit. BEGi posted a 2psi increase over stock boost and 30% efficiency over stock. I am not a rocket scientist, but those numbers look good to me. Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't seen any numbers other than from BEGi and Turbohoses for their SMIC. I could have missed it somewhere. Actually, there was a SMIC comparison thread, but that doesn't really apply here. Maybe someone should make a FMIC comparison thread?

[jeffmsp]

btw you guys are getting all bent out of shape over the pipe material,IMO it cant make a noticable difference, I bet you that using the stock IC-TB will yield the same results as a steel/alum(providing the psi level does not exceed the colling abilities of the IC). I havent ever heard of a IC-TB pipe making a hp difference, more for looks, and the air in the turbo-IC pipe will be cooled anyways, I think the only real performance gained is from holding boost better, which any hardpipe will give you. FYI-this is just my understanding of things from my personal experiences, i dont want to start another mini-war or anything, just posting my personal results/opinions.

[kazson]

Pann Auto showed some awesome gains as well, which is the kit im saving for..but eh to each his own

http://www.pannauto.com/ver02/popups_miscpages/mazdaspeed_intercoolerkit.htm

[Bhamsan]

I heard there was some controversy over the pannauto kit, as in the numbers were not accurate, but I am not sure, its all hearsay (which is really what the internet is about, isn't it?). I was interested in a pannauto kit, but I think I will go with BEGi because it is the cheapest and I can stil reuse my turbohoses coldpipe, but thats me.

[peepsalot]

Well, you do have to take into account the fact that they upped the boost just slightly for the pannauto dyno.

[Bhamsan]

Well, you do have to take into account the fact that they upped the boost just slightly for the pannauto dyno.
Thats what I meant.

[jeffmsp]

would you guys take this begi FM or the hiboost? Only thing that concerns me is the smaller IC on the Begi, but the price is right.

[Bhamsan]

Don't mention IC core size as being the factor which determines how good a FMIC is. I simply pointed out that the Perrin FMIC has a huge core, and got flamed big time. Basically, core size does not matter, your car isn't going to push out 400whp, so it won't really matter anyways. BEGi seems like the best deal, hands down, especially with the sale and forum discount, you can't beat $699 shipped. BEGi all the way.

[peepsalot]

Are there any advantages to running the begi fmic as opposed to an upgraded smic, if I never plan to go more than 10psi?

[jaxmsp]

Blah, Blah, Blah. Intake temp are lower when aluminum is used, as in the air going into the tb is lower you idiot. What other intake temp would we be talking about with an intercooler. Explain why it is lower when aluminum is utilized over steel.
I may well be an idiot, but at least I haven't succumbed to vendor-driven marketing hype and biased testing results (this time). There is a an aluminum-superiority groupthink going on here. People, aluminum is a heatsink. Do a little research or talk to a materials engineer iif you don't believe me.

That's my second and last post on this...buy and use what you want.

[Bhamsan]

Probably not. A SMIC and hardpipe combo, however, will be more expensive than any FMIC kit, minus Perrin, but will be an easy install that will take 2 hours at most. A FMIC kit is beneficial as far as cost goes, over a SMIC/Hardpipe combo, in the looks department (if you're in to that kind of thing), and if you decide later on you want to go for some big numbers, you won't need to scrap your SMIC/Hardpipe combo in favor of a FMIC kit that will support more power and give better cooling capabilities. However, the install is quite time consuming if you don't know what you're doing, and depending on where you live, you might attract the unwanted attention of the cops. Performance wise, I doubt the gains are different. Its the same as this whole dumb arguement about steel vs aluminum pipes. We can all agree the sorry excuse for a SMIC that is in the car now needs to go. How you go about doing it is really up to you.

I'll probably get flamed from offending people who either have a FMIC or SMIC, so I will say that I am not saying either one really sucks over the other. For the specific question, I feel this is the best answer I can contibute.

[FSDET]

will the begi be good for 350whp ?

[Bhamsan]

Ken?

[FSDET]

i find it hard to believe that the core size doesnt matter. and i do plan to put down 300-350whp within the next 2 years :). i didnt make the right choice with the exhuast and got the 2.5 inch instead of 3 so i wanna get the FMIC right from the first time.

[Bhamsan]

i find it hard to believe that the core size doesnt matter. and i do plan to put down 300-350whp within the next 2 years :). i didnt make the right choice with the exhuast and got the 2.5 inch instead of 3 so i wanna get the FMIC right from the first time.
I wrote the same exact words about a week ago regarding FMIC core size, "I find it hard to believe that the core size does not matter". Aparently it does.

[EvilMSP]

He didn't say the size didn't matter. he just said it was not the only factor. Having a intercooler too big will only hurt things. You want a happy medium. Not everyone needs Supra/Skyline intercoolers that are bigger than a keg lol.

[EvilMSP]

I think I missed this question, sure it's been answered before but I can't find it. I noticed the price of the cowdercoating and is that for just the pipes? Or is he offering to coat the entire intercooler?

[Bhamsan]

Man, I was surprised when I saw my friend's n/a-T Supra he turbo'd himself. The IC pipe from IC to TB was 3.5"!

[low_psi]

core size is everything!! don't believe science!!

[Bhamsan]

Fuck intercoolers. You don't need one. Just rip it off.

[Captain KRM P5]

Ken?
sorry been away all day long

will the begi be good for 350whp ?
i see no reason why not. I will ask Corky and I'm sure he'll concur.

i find it hard to believe that the core size doesnt matter.
i never said it didn't matter. said it was not the only and certainly not the most important factor in determining an efficient FMIC by a mile when you have many other crucial factors to look at.


He didn't say the size didn't matter. he just said it was not the only factor.
see :D


I think I missed this question, sure it's been answered before but I can't find it. I noticed the price of the cowdercoating and is that for just the pipes? Or is he offering to coat the entire intercooler?
he can if asked, coat the entire intercooler for you. right now the pipes can be left bare, powdercoated red, black or with a smooth silver flake finish. he is looking at nickel plating and guessing that it will be comparable in cost to powder coat. Chroming is also in the cards but will be more costly than a powder coat.

[Wiggles422]

Powdercoating the intercooler would decrease its efficiency. The end tanks might be ok but I wouldnt coat the core.

[EvilMSP]

I saw some thread where there is a way of painting the intercooler and it will not affect the cooling. I wasn't sure if it was powdercoating or not but I was suprised by the price and asked anyway.

There was this cool all black subie that had a black fmic and it looked very nice. I'm not a bling bling kind of guy, I'd rather have a black mystery box lol. And since you have all these questions for corky can you please ask him about painting/coating the fmic in a way that wont hurt performance, if there is one. I would greatly appreciate it.

[Bhamsan]

I've never seen a powdercoated FMIC...I'd just save the money and get the radiator spray and just cover it all.

[Striker187]

maybe you were thinking anondized? but didn't that process damage the ic?

[EvilMSP]

Yeah I don't remember what it was exactly but I don't want to thread jack. There is a way of "painting" a fmic that will not impact cooling effeciency, or so the thread said. Lets wait for Corky's opinion.

[jeffmsp]

well, I ordered mine today, I cannot wait, this is gonna be TeH sHit!!!!!!!! (band2) (band2) (band2) (spin)

[Dexter]

Aluminum pipes = big heatsink. You arent cooling the temps if the pipes are holding the heat...get it?

[Dexter]

Blah, Blah, Blah. Intake temp are lower when aluminum is used, as in the air going into the tb is lower you idiot. What other intake temp would we be talking about with an intercooler. Explain why it is lower when aluminum is utilized over steel.
Do you have any links or graphs and stuff?

[Bhamsan]

Man, I thought the steel vs aluminum agruement was dead.

Oh well, I think I want my pipes made from adamantium, the same shit Wolverine's skeleton is made from. How well do you think that will hold up to the hot charged air?

[Dexter]

its not dead because i think that guy was being overly agressive about stupid metal pipes :p

Honestly, if i had the money and time (well ive got the time...), i woudl love to have a set of SS pipes and aluminum pipes and a couple of temperature probes, and an IR temp gun, to test the surface of the pipes.

omg i am teh gay

[strongbear0]

Do you have any links or graphs and stuff?

For now I have an excerpt from turbohoses website. I will put the graphs up when I find them.

Due to the inherent heat soaking of the stock IC, we have chosen T-6061 aluminum which has the highest heat dissipation properties of any metal. During our test, we have found that using steel, stainless & aluminized steel not only added a considerable amount of weight to the system, but increased intake temperatures slightly higher than OEM piping on medium length drives.

And no I do not work for or have any turbohoses products on my car.

[EvilMSP]

I just read on another thread about spray paint that is designed specifically for Radiators. Wouldn't that be ok to spray the intercooler with?

[Bhamsan]

I just read on another thread about spray paint that is designed specifically for Radiators. Wouldn't that be ok to spray the intercooler with?
I'm pretty sure that'd work. It was discussed at length in another thread about getting stencils for the FMIC. So, if the paint was good enough to be sprayed on to make a logo or whatever, then I don't see why you couldn't just spray it.

[Bhamsan]

On Medium length drives, however. I am not advocating steel over aluminum, since I have no idea which one is really better, seeing as I have not performed any tests myself, and am only getting my information as hearsay. Could it be possible that steel is better for track driving (in other words, beating the shit out of your car), which aluminum is better for daily driving? I don't see how there can be this much disparity between opinions, both sides believing they are the right answer. There has to be something...

[peepsalot]

Fact: The goal with your intake is to get cold air.
Fact: Heat flows from hot to cold
Fact: A better heat conducting material(assuming same shape) will cause more heat to flow(either into, or out of your intake path)

So like I said before, it all depends on whether the air temp inside the pipe is higher or lower than outside the pipe.
These temps will vary along the length of the pipe, and depend on many variables such as boost pressure, efficiency of turbo, efficiency of IC, how much airflow is going through the engine bay(hoodscoop?), among others.
The only way to know for sure is to use an accurate temperaure sensor and test it thoroughly. I stand by my theory that the theoretical ideal piping, no matter how impractical, would be a mixture of very conductive and very insulative sections of pipe. To argue that one material will unconditionally be better than the other is pointless.

[EvilMSP]

I agree with you Mr Peepers

You deserve some apples (monkey)

[FSDET]

and carrot juice

[Bhamsan]

I'd like to get some of that girl in your avatar, mazdaspdprotege.

[FSDET]

OMG thats lindsay lohan shes like so hot omg

[Bhamsan]

Thats Lindsay Lohan?!? Nevermind, I'm still a little drunk. My roommate turned 21 today and you know how that goes.

[EvilMSP]

Thats Lindsay Lohan?!? Nevermind, I'm still a little drunk. My roommate turned 21 today and you know how that goes.
Everyone knows how that goes....just no one remember how it went lol.

[jeffmsp]

so can the stock IC to TB pipe support higher boost levels (10-12psi) or will it blow off? I dont think it will expand since the boost will be way cooler than stock and I didnt notice any improvements in my current IC to TB hardpipe so I wanna go for the stock look hehehe

[ND4MSP]

Ive gotta go pickup corky's book someday. If anyone has it, does it go more in detail about metals and transfer. I'd never question his knowledge, but why is he the only guy standing behind steel. Had a question about all of these comparos on intake temps and such on two different pipes. Was the steel piping coated or were we comparing bare to bare. Sorry if I re asked a question, only read about half the thread

[jeffmsp]

bumppppppp (drive) When mine gets here there will be tons of pics.

[03MSPRO]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79251

[mspeedpro]

I see the pic on the website with the turb --> IC pipe but it looks like black plastic... im confused. what pipe(s) come with the FMIC?? I see you can add an extra metal pipe for like 140. what all is included at the introductory price?

[FSDET]

its black but not plastic. it comes with all the pipes exept for the IC to TB pipe. u can either keep the plastic or get the metal for like hundred somthing. FYI there is ofcourse a small pipe included to connect the stock plastic ic to TB pipe to the fmic

[03MSPRO]

its black but not plastic. it comes with all the pipes exept for the IC to TB pipe. u can either keep the plastic or get the metal for like hundred somthing. FYI there is ofcourse a small pipe included to connect the stock plastic ic to TB pipe to the fmic
Correct on everything.

This FMIC is a steal for $749! All I have to say is BUY IT ASAP before it goes up!! Don't even worry about the IC to TB pipe if money is a problem. You can always buy that pipe or a different one later. The plastic pipes expanding is just a myth, at least not at 10 psi. Think about it, even a SMIC is $600 with no pipes. A SMIC will never perform like a FMIC no matter what anyone says, but yes anything is better that stock.

[gboromsp]

I agree with you except for the fact that plastic pipes DO expand, even at stock boost. I have witnessed this along with many other ******** members. Yosky is running stock boost and his pipes expand like crazy when he revs it up. But this is a great deal for a fmic, that is why i'm buying it.




Correct on everything.

This FMIC is a steal for $749! All I have to say is BUY IT ASAP before it goes up!! Don't even worry about the IC to TB pipe if money is a problem. You can always buy that pipe or a different one later. The plastic pipes expanding is just a myth, at least not at 10 psi. Think about it, even a SMIC is $600 with no pipes. A SMIC will never perform like a FMIC no matter what anyone says, but yes anything is better that stock.

[mspeedpro]

hate to be such a tool but it looks to squareish for me... i wish it was wider.

[jeffmsp]

anybody get theres yet? (wow)

[Captain KRM P5]

anybody get theres yet? (wow)
jeff, i'll be giving BEGi a call in the morning for an update

[EvilMSP]

Captain did you ever ask about painting the FMIC? Cause I'd be interested in making it black to look sleek instead of bling bling.

[gboromsp]

As soon as mine comes in you'll see one painted black.




Captain did you ever ask about painting the FMIC? Cause I'd be interested in making it black to look sleek instead of bling bling.

[EvilMSP]

Ah cool. Will you be using that radiator paint somebody mentioned? I'm just curious what is the best paint to use.

And of course I look forward to your pics!

[Captain KRM P5]

Captain did you ever ask about painting the FMIC? Cause I'd be interested in making it black to look sleek instead of bling bling.
the core itself can be painted, yes

[gboromsp]

Yep i'm gonna use the radiator paint.




Ah cool. Will you be using that radiator paint somebody mentioned? I'm just curious what is the best paint to use.

And of course I look forward to your pics!

[03MSPRO]

As soon as mine comes in you'll see one painted black.
I thought you already had a FMIC

[gboromsp]

I did, I sold every part off of my car and am starting all over again. Right now my car is bone stock and way too slow.




I thought you already had a FMIC

[jeffmsp]

still no news? I thought these wer ready to ship?

[Stormtrooper77]

I did, I sold every part off of my car and am starting all over again. Right now my car is bone stock and way too slow.
Why? Just want to go a different route?

[Captain KRM P5]

still no news? I thought these wer ready to ship?
you have pm with news, i got yours and will be contacting corky today

[jeffmsp]

anybody get one yet? I still dont know if mine has even shipped. fuck (dunno) (screwy) I keep getting the "so has that FMIC arrived yet...." from everyone I know for the last 3 weeks.

[Rawyzf]

So...hast that FMIC arrived yet?


:P

anybody get one yet? I still dont know if mine has even shipped. fuck (dunno) (screwy) I keep getting the "so has that FMIC arrived yet...." from everyone I know for the last 3 weeks.

[gboromsp]

In the pm I got yours was supposed to ship on the 12th, and mine will be shipping on Thursday. Yours should be to you very soon I would think.




anybody get one yet? I still dont know if mine has even shipped. fuck (dunno) (screwy) I keep getting the "so has that FMIC arrived yet...." from everyone I know for the last 3 weeks.

[jeffmsp]

So...hast that FMIC arrived yet?


:P




(bang) (bang) (bang) (bang) (gun) (gun) (fight) (smash) (smash) (argh) (monkey) (dark) lol jk

[jeffmsp]

i hope it shipped friday (dance)

[jeffmsp]

bump for living in the dark on a huge purchase......, anybody have any info on anything? wtf

[gboromsp]

Mine is sitting right here. It came via UPS today. You are in Canada correct? It may take a couple extra days if that is the case.



bump for living in the dark on a huge purchase......, anybody have any info on anything? wtf

[gboromsp]

Here is a pic.

[jeffmsp]

wow, you lucky bastard, I want mine sooooo bad. Damn customs(there is always someone to yell at hehehe) (gun)

[lamp3]

droool

[FSDET]

Mine is sitting right here. It came via UPS today. You are in Canada correct? It may take a couple extra days if that is the case.whens it goin in ? i wanna see it

[jeffmsp]

droool

ya, no shit eh. This thing looks great, and its cool telling people about how its made by corky and co. too. Something like this should have definately been on the car when it was designed, i just dont know what callaway was smoking when they came up with this car, even if the core may be more expensive the piping could have just been like the stock pieces, maybe add the spoiler as an option to account for the price, i mean common the srt4 has one, .

I dont know how the fuck i became part of the FMIC club (well my bank account knows) but this is gonna be awsome. (burnout)

[gboromsp]

I'm still waiting on on the cold side pipe from DSMconvert. It will be here Monday, so someday next week it will be going on. I think i'm gonna order the GHL turboback as well. Hopefully my MSP can be fast once again.

[jeffmsp]

you should grab a afc from dsm, i cant wait to see how i will run with his 10psi map.

[rocketspeed]

Does this come with a good set of installation instructions? Any cutting, drilling or permanant modifications to the car required?

[jeffmsp]

well mine came today. for some reason corky marked the package as being worth around $1000US instead of what i actually paid for it, so i got screwed another $250 by customs, meaning that I overpaid and overwaited for this fmic-fuck bad deal 4 me. u lucky states people.

[FSDET]

WOW. 250 in customs

[Dexter]

Wow thats fucken lame. good move corky. :mad:

[jeffmsp]

i doesnt upset me that he didnt mark it as a gift as i requested, but why put the value being more than what it cost....oh well, at least i didnt go through all this for some chate FMIC, this thing looks to be the shizNit!!!!!! thanks for all the help dexter,

cheers fellow FMICers lol (hippy) (cool) (birthday)

[rocketspeed]

Does this come with a good set of installation instructions? Any cutting, drilling or permanant modifications to the car required?
Anyone here?

[Dexter]

jeffmsp just got his, ask him

[jeffmsp]

havent even taken it outta the box yet, damn school and 2 jobs, i will make a complete how to with install pics tommorow night when she goes in (after getting all the shipping quotes for my FS thread)

[Super Matty P]

I guess CB is saying that MILD STEEL is cheaper than aluminum....that is true but I buy bulk aluminum and Akuminum is much cheaper than quality steel like 304 or 321...I wouldnt use anything less than stainless steel for piping but CB knows more than me...

[Captain KRM P5]

well mine came today. for some reason corky marked the package as being worth around $1000US instead of what i actually paid for it, so i got screwed another $250 by customs, meaning that I overpaid and overwaited for this fmic-fuck bad deal 4 me. u lucky states people.
i am really sorry to hear this. he doesn't even retail these things for that so it makes no sense that he would mark them as such

[jeffmsp]

i am really sorry to hear this. he doesn't even retail these things for that so it makes no sense that he would mark them as such

ya too bad eh. at least i got the FMIC that I really wanted (birthday) thanks for setting all this up. (cool)

[03MSPRO]

there is no cutting required