Must...be...fastAr

[protegeV]

I had a run in with a couple cars tonight, one of which beat me pretty handily(not surprisingly)...but now I need to make this thing faster, I know I need a boost gauge so i can monitor it, but what should I do for a good MBC?

[peepsalot]

I hear good things about the boostsciences mbc.

Also, turfburn recently made one that seems good. Do a search for posts by him, and you should see it.

I haven't got one yet, but in the end I will probably decide between those two. I still gotta get an exhaust before I decide to up the boost.

[mspeed101]

I say do it right the first time get a ebc instead of an mbc. ********** has a great deal on the greddy boost controllers which is what im using and I am very happy with it.

[protegeV]

think its better than the avc-r?

I was just gonna do the whole MBC on low upped boost(8 or 9lb) till I can afford the AEM(when its ready that is)....That'll take care of EVERYTHING and no need to buy a bunch of components...

[peepsalot]

The AEM functions as an EBC as well? Do other EMS system do that, like the mpi?

[protegeV]

nah, the MPI doesnt do that, but the AEM can. Its a full standalone and can pretty much do anything. You can make it so yur hazard lights flash when the turbo hits 12psi and the horn beeps in sync with the BOVs pssshhhtt (lol2)

[TeeTeeSpeed]

nah, the MPI doesnt do that, but the AEM can. Its a full standalone and can pretty much do anything. You can make it so yur hazard lights flash when the turbo hits 12psi and the horn beeps in sync with the BOVs pssshhhtt (lol2)

really? thats some nifty work! and this aem isnt out yet?

[I_Vtec]

Shouldn't you do some supporting mods before you up the boost Ray?

Postwhore!

[protegeV]

like what? I aint got no money(lol2)

[I_Vtec]

Yes I know the feeling.

By the way, shouldn't you change your car under your avatar?

[1FASTMP5]

GO ebc!!!..... not mbc!!!!

[kicker22705]

at least colder spark plugs.

[ONRAILS]

Is the AEM available for our cars yet?

[ZoomZoomH]

ray try to learn how to drive your stock car faster, before thinking about making the car faster.

come to track day with us come spring!

[protegeV]

I do wanna do some stuff on the track, but damn spring is a long way off...Hey Im a damn good driver I think, for having NO formal instruction yet(drive)

gonna take it down the 1/4mile soon hopefully ;)

[mp5jeff]

if you can, go with a EBC, if you don't have the money i guess mbc...

[protegeV]

Yes I know the feeling.

By the way, shouldn't you change your car under your avatar?\hahah, thats prolly a good idear(lol2)

[protegeV]

ok, what are some good EBCs?
I know of the profecB and avc-r...not to sure about anything else(shrug)

[mp5jeff]

profecb2 is a real good/easy to use ebc....

[protegeV]

are there different version/gens of it I should look/look out for? If I get one its gotta be on the cheap side of things(prolly look on eBay)

[mp5jeff]

spec II is the newest i believe, which is the one you should snag.

[mp5jeff]

but even the 1st one is awesome, just less things to play with...but if you can find a good deal, go for it.

[protegeV]

ahaha, if you say so Jeff...I got someone buyin my wheels(the ones I bought from you) off me, so I'll put some of that money towards it :D

[mp5jeff]

yea you can get a spec2 probably around 300...

[mazdaspeedpower]

good thinking going with an EBC...you'll thank yourself...if you went MBC, eventually(prolly soon), you'd be thinking "you know, it would be nice to crank it up to 9lbs to give some hard runs, and bump it down to stock for plain old highway driving so as to save on gas"..also, certain EBC's, like the AVC-r, and I think the Greddy ProfecBII might have it also, is you can change your boost levels for different Gears, and even RPM(ie, lower boost in first, so as not to break too loose, then more in second and third, ease off a tiny bit for fourth, and stay almost stock boost for fifth(or atleast lower boost for the higher end of 4 &5)..I really want the AVC-R..and will prolly be getting one, with a few other goodies in the spring

[orng1]

like what? I aint got no money(lol2)
free mod, unbolt the exhaust after the cats. boosts instantly, holds more boost, you can leave the muffler alone it will stay(looks stock)and its free. I lost bolts on a road trip I found this free power on accident.

orng1/Robert

[mp5jeff]

free mod, unbolt the exhaust after the cats. boosts instantly, holds more boost, you can leave the muffler alone it will stay(looks stock)and its free. I lost bolts on a road trip I found this free power on accident.

orng1/Robertprobably a bad idea considering a internaly wastegated turbo...boost spike might be a problem.

[orng1]

probably a bad idea considering a internaly wastegated turbo...boost spike might be a problem.
I have a mbc which was set at 8.5psi along with an intake and a heavy right foot boost jumped to just below 10psi and the car got a lot louder. I was on the freeway racing to catch an evo. evo got caught, he was very shocked to see a car that loud. (all turbo sucking, sshhhhhhhhhh)
boost was holding steady though. then again every car is different.

[orng1]

are there different version/gens of it I should look/look out for? If I get one its gotta be on the cheap side of things(prolly look on eBay)
Yes there are a few versions to be careful of like the ones that read boost as kg or bar those are confusing to me as everyone talks about boost in psi. (quickly) how would you know what bar 12psi so as too not pass that point, the supposed safe spot for this engine.

orng1/ Robert

[Midnight22]

I do wanna do some stuff on the track, but damn spring is a long way off...Hey Im a damn good driver I think, for having NO formal instruction yet(drive)

gonna take it down the 1/4mile soon hopefully ;)
*snort* hahaha...

r u still gonna buy that turbo timer i have?

[peepsalot]

probably a bad idea considering a internaly wastegated turbo...boost spike might be a problem.
I don't get it, all he is talking about doing is freeing up exhaust. What difference does an internal wastegate make? Not being an ass, just geniunely curious. I'm not considering doing that to my car, but how would doing that compare to a 3" tb exhaust?

[1FASTMP5]

at least colder spark plugs.
no need to...you will lose perforance. i ran stock msp plugs @ 10psi with shitty cali gas and never got detonation. i swaped plugs back and 4th about a millon times and got more power & better track times with the stockers. if anything you might have to regap them...just fyi

[mp5jeff]

I don't get it, all he is talking about doing is freeing up exhaust. What difference does an internal wastegate make? Not being an ass, just geniunely curious. I'm not considering doing that to my car, but how would doing that compare to a 3" tb exhaust?
running an open exhaust like that = more exhaust for the turbo = puny internal wastegate can't open fast enough = boost spike....:D, best way to explain it i guess..when you have a full TB exhaust it is fine..

[peepsalot]

So our wastegate is puny? And external wastegates are generally larger? Our turbo is puny too though ;). And I would think a smaller wastegate would have a better reaction time than a large bulky thing.

[mp5jeff]

you thought wrong...:D, i run open DP(spike territory usually) on my car with a mbc, never once in over a year got 1 spike...

[mp5jeff]

boost would never go over what i set it at, like if i set it at 9psi, it will goto 9psi, never 9.2 or 9.5...etc..

[mp5jeff]

why do you think almost all the msp owners here with a mbc(like joep for exp.) get boost spikes? unfortunately people live with it and act like its ok :(

[protegeV]

*snort* hahaha...

r u still gonna buy that turbo timer i have?affirmative ;)

[jeffmsp]

if you wanna go fast for cheap, go to a shop and have your cats removed (put in a mil elim) and get a custom dp if you can. Then get a Turbo-IC pipe made (leave the IC-TB pipe, it does nothing performance wise at this level) and pick up a mbc off ebay for really cheap. Pick up a boost gauge. Some say gets colder plugs, i did but dont notice anything really, safer I guess...then a KandN dropin is dyno proven for some small gains, but i think it will help spool the turbo a bit quicker for you, and i think it complements you exhaust. So thats about $500, you should be making 190hp(running around 9psi) and run around 14.9, not too shabby considering how heavy the car is.

[protegeV]

all that shit and only a 14.9? Ive heard of people running 14.9-15.1 STOCK...

[mp5jeff]

that will be driver dependant! :D, i want a stock msp to drive anyone want to donate some time for me to drive one, i bet i can hit 14.8 stock..

[protegeV]

hahaha...yeah, weight dependent tooo...Im a pretty heft guy(lol2)

[Midnight22]

i was hitting 16.8 stock, and that was the best that the 5's could do stock... havnt been to the tracks since... havnt done anything to the car...

[protegeV]

Frank hit a 16.4 with an injen...I dont tihnk a CAI will take off .4 so maybe he's a better driver? ;) (lol2)

[Midnight22]

who is frank? seminole? he has alot more done than CAI, trust me... he was telling me all about it

[protegeV]

fkmp5 ;)

[Midnight22]

o, dunno... the best the pro testers could run was 16.8... so i doubt u can run much faster...

[Mr. Win]

you should talk to me before spending money... that is all hahh

[protegeV]

hahaha, y u say taht? trying to make some money off me?(lol2) sure thing man, but you cant beat "used" prices (evil)

[low_psi]

ray, you're gonna blow up your car...

get a downpipe and run 9psi :)

actually i just don't want you modding because you'll be faster than me

[protegeV]

hahaha, u bet yur ass I will...then i'll put it back to stock and tell the dealer to fix it, and they'll tell me I must have fiddle with the amplifier to cause the engine to blow(lol2)

[protegeV]

i need a boost gauge before I up the boost so i know where its at...But I need a pod. I wanted the 03MSP one that goes under the radio that has a space for one round gauge and a space for a TT, but I cant find one...

[low_psi]

lol, werd! watch out though. I'm coming hard with mods soon - if things fall into place...

by soon I mean when I move :) I'm gonna have a pile of parts waiting on me in Texas!

[Mr. Win]

ducktap is your friend.

[low_psi]

i need a boost gauge before I up the boost so i know where its at...But I need a pod. I wanted the 03MSP one that goes under the radio that has a space for one round gauge and a space for a TT, but I cant find one...
I can make you one, but it won't be cheap for just one. Find some other people and I'll make them. Laser cut and all.

[protegeV]

lol, werd! watch out though. I'm coming hard with mods soon - if things fall into place...

by soon I mean when I move :) I'm gonna have a pile of parts waiting on me in Texas!j00 r teh suxxorz moving back to TX and all(rant)

[protegeV]

I can make you one, but it won't be cheap for just one. Find some other people and I'll make them. Laser cut and all.scrwe dat...Dremel is my friend(lol2)j/k

[low_psi]

steady hands, steady hands, steady han $%*$#&$!!!!

[protegeV]

(lol)(werd) yur not kidding...

[JDM Sam]

The profecb2 has been revised itself the valve sensitivity settings have changed some. There's less adjustment to the gain and limiter now. gain is only from 5 to 35 and limit L0-L20. I dunno why they made the change or what not. Still works just as good a the first spec2. Found this out tuning (Chkmgnt58) Jakes MSP.

[protegeV]

Is that good or bad cuz I dont know what any of it means(lol2)

[JDM Sam]

Is that good or bad cuz I dont know what any of it means(lol2)
its still works the same. its really not any different. if any it makes adjusting simpler.

[protegeV]

oh, ok...lol(lol2)

[low_psi]

if you get a profecb, i'll help you set it up Ray. i r teh profec mastAR

[protegeV]

hahaha, okay...but arent u leaving us beyosh? (lol2)

[low_psi]

get it soon!! btw- you busy right now, I need a ride to the bodyshop... 2 hot msp's cruising together.... call me if you see this, otherwise i'm gonna be calling you soon

[low_psi]

nevermind, i got a buddy in the neighborhood coming.

[protegeV]

das cool...anyways, my license is suspended for 7 days, I posted about it in OT ;)

[msp35]

So yeah, a few posts back someone said our car is heavy????
I thought it was pretty damn light compared to competition right?

[FSDET]

i need a boost gauge before I up the boost so i know where its at...But I need a pod. I wanted the 03MSP one that goes under the radio that has a space for one round gauge and a space for a TT, but I cant find one...i have the boostsciences MBC and the 03msp pod that hold 1 guage, greddy TT and greddy EBC. im sure u can modify the bracket for just a TT if u dont want to get both. ill sell u both for 75 shipped

[protegeV]

both what?

[FSDET]

the pod and the MBC

[protegeV]

ah, I'll think about it...is it the dual stage or just the regular MBC?
can i see a pic of the pod?

[FSDET]

its just the regular MBC with the ceramic ball option
got it for 67 bucks GB price
and the pod is Z something has a 52 mm gauge and space for the greddy TT and profec B

[protegeV]

how much for just the pod?

[FSDET]

30 shipped

[protegeV]

I got the pod for $20...looks like Im getting a greddy TT and profecB specII...so I just need a nice boost gauge.

I really need this crap...The title of the thread was never more true. I got beat by a Firebird Formula this morning(dont want that to happen again(evil))

[low_psi]

A Formula is V8 d00d, pretty sure LS1 not LT1. Maybe they made them in the LT1 years too though??

[protegeV]

nah, had to be an LT1...it was the old body style. I knew it was a V8)(had a loud ass exhaust) He only got me byabout a car length at 60mph(then I shut down cuz I ont need any tickets and I had to merge into one lane anyways)...but yeah, next time i will beat hime(evil)