Mazdaspeed6 introduced

[wongpres]

Here's the press release (media sources will show pics really soon). But it looks like those spyshots from Autoweek from before (in fact that Autoweek one was N. American-spec):

PARIS, September 23, 2004 - Mazda Motor Corporation unveiled two-all new production vehicles today at the 2004 Paris Motor Show. Both vehicles, seen for the first time ever at the Mondial de l'Automobile 2004, will go on sale in key global markets during 2005 and help fuel further growth for Mazda. In calendar year 2003, Mazda was the fastest growing major car company in the world; sales to date in 2004 are tracking well ahead of 2003 levels.
"Mazda is seeing good success right now around the world," said Hisakazu Imaki, president and CEO of Mazda Motor Corporation. "Our new generation Zoom-Zoom products seem to be meeting the high expectations of our customers, particularly in Europe where Mazda sales during the past two years have been particularly strong. These two new vehicles will help drive further growth in Europe, and beyond."
Following a promise made two years ago, Mazda presented a production version of the high-performance Mazda6 MPS concept, Mazda's premier show car of the 2002 Paris Show. The much-anticipated performance model of the award-winning Atenza/Mazda6 sedan will be called Mazdaspeed Atenza in Japan, MAZDASPEED6 in North America and, in other key markets including Europe and Australia, Mazda6 MPS. By any name, the new turbocharged, all-wheel-drive sedan will be Mazda's highest performance sedan ever in market.
Sharing the stage in Paris is the new Mazda5--a Zoom-Zoom vehicle that features a flexible, karakuri interior (Mazda's new "6+One" packaging concept) and a shape that is distinctly Mazda. The unique interior design allows individual markets to configure the vehicle for up to seven passengers or provide seating for six with additional storage capacity. Combined with the responsive handling found in all Mazda products, the Mazda5 will offer new packaging innovations and driving enjoyment to customers around the world.
MAZDA'S ULTIMATE ZOOM-ZOOM SEDAN
With the dedicated theme of "sophisticated, high-performance sedan," the Mazda6 MPS (as shown in Paris) will be Mazda's highest-performance sedan. It boasts some of the company's most-advanced, most-innovative technologies, including the newly developed direct-injection turbocharged 2.3-liter engine and an all-new active torque split, all-wheel-drive system that genuinely delivers Mazda's Zoom-Zoom spirit.
In European specification, the all-new MZR 2.3 DISI TURBO motivates the four-door sedan with an estimated 191kW (260 PS) of power and 380 Nm of torque. The introduction of a direct-injection fuel system to the turbocharged engine infuses the already powerful acceleration that is expected of turbo performance with ample torque in the low and mid range to deliver excellent response, while also realizing lower emissions. A six-speed manual transmission will be the only gearbox available in all markets.
Under controlled Mazda test conditions, the flagship sedan routinely delivers 0-100 km/h acceleration times of 6.6 seconds. Acceleration from 80-to-120 km/h can be achieved in approximately 5.3 seconds.
To promote control and drivability, Mazda's new active torque split, all-wheel-drive system will be offered as standard equipment. The active torque coupling mounted in front of the rear differential is electronically controlled and, in accordance with road surfaces and driving conditions, adjusts the front/rear torque distribution to deliver optimum drive power to each wheel. The result is powerful acceleration and the ability to fully balance the car.
In all, more than 120 specific changes were made to the body and suspension of the existing sedan. Overall body rigidity is enhanced by more than 50 percent. With higher rates for the coil springs and more strict damping force for the dampers, the suspension is tuned to provide superior handling stability and a sophisticated ride. The 17-inch brakes are tuned to optimize performance and support the high power of the Mazda6 MPS.
The exterior design of the Mazda6 MPS is true to the original Atenza/Mazda6 sedan, launched in 2002, but is further accentuated to create a look that conveys at a glance the tangible pleasure of the vehicle's boosted dynamic performance.

Edit -
Colours to be offered (not all colors will be available for all markets):

- Snowflake White Pearl (e.g. '05 RX-8)
- Titanium Gray II Metallic (e.g. Mazda3 and RX-8)
- Velocity Red Mica (e.g. Mazda3 and RX-8)
- Radiant Ebony Mica
- Black Mica
- Moist Silver Metallic

[macklum]

In European specification, the all-new MZR 2.3 DISI TURBO motivates the four-door sedan with an estimated 191kW (260 PS) of power and 380 Nm of torque. The introduction of a direct-injection fuel system to the turbocharged engine infuses the already powerful acceleration that is expected of turbo performance with ample torque in the low and mid range to deliver excellent response, while also realizing lower emissions. A six-speed manual transmission will be the only gearbox available in all markets.


And now that they have anounced that the car will be built ,it will not come to North America because our fuel will not support Direct Gas Injection because our fuel has to much sulpher content . They will have to use a different engine here

[wongpres]

In European specification, the all-new MZR 2.3 DISI TURBO motivates the four-door sedan with an estimated 191kW (260 PS) of power and 380 Nm of torque. The introduction of a direct-injection fuel system to the turbocharged engine infuses the already powerful acceleration that is expected of turbo performance with ample torque in the low and mid range to deliver excellent response, while also realizing lower emissions. A six-speed manual transmission will be the only gearbox available in all markets.


And now that they have anounced that the car will be built ,it will not come to North America because our fuel will not support Direct Gas Injection because our fuel has to much sulpher content . They will have to use a different engine here
It's confirmed for N. America - says so on the press release. The engine (and emissions) will be tuned differently for the various markets though.

[macklum]

It's confirmed for N. America - says so on the press release. The engine (and emissions) will be tuned differently for the various markets though. I didnt mean that the car wouldnt come here all I was saying was that we wont get the direct injection engine

[jersey_emt]

Sweeeeet

[jersey_emt]

SNOWFLAKE WHITE PEARL....AWESOME

0-100 km/h in 6.6 seconds for a turbocharged AWD vehicle? Hopefully that's just some really crappy drivers.

[seanmcsean]

no lapis blue (protest)

[protegeV]

is it just me opr do those power and acceleration numbers look only SLIGHTLY better than the V6?(shrug)

Im sure it will be much better balanced than the V6 version, but I think we were all hoping for 300hp at least and some low 5 sec 0-60s(0-100km/h)

[Spooled]

I have a chubby.

[xtrememps]

no lapis blue (protest)
LOL, nice sig /threadjack (thumb)

[Spooled]

Just checked the media site. That is one badass car. It looks pretty nice. Not what I expected, but very classy looking. If no one else does, I'll post some pics later when I have time.

[MP3-E]

Just checked the media site. That is one badass car. It looks pretty nice. Not what I expected, but very classy looking. If no one else does, I'll post some pics later when I have time.
Link? (naughty)

[StuttersC]

Here is another story on it:http://www.triplezoom.com/news/publish/article_242.shtml


The car looks cool. I bet they show the N. American version at SEMA this year, as that has been the trend for showing the actual Mazdaspeed version of the cars.

This is just the "MPS" version, which has usually turned into the Mazdaspeed version here.

[Captain KRM P5]

by the time this car hits the states, the p5 should be paid off and i'll need a new daily driver :)

[Stormtrooper77]

Yeah, I'm just wondering about that 6.6 sec for that kind of power? Oh well, it's all preliminary.

[ZoomZoomH]

Yeah, I'm just wondering about that 6.6 sec for that kind of power? Oh well, it's all preliminary.
the 6.6 is for 0-100 km/h, which is equal to 0-62 mph

with that in mind, if you knock down a couple miles from that time, it's most likely a sub-6 second 0-60mph car (a la Legacy GT)

this is a legitimate Legacy GT fighter, in case you haven't figured that out, lol

[ZoomZoomH]

Here is another story on it:http://www.triplezoom.com/news/publish/article_242.shtml


The car looks cool. I bet they show the N. American version at SEMA this year, as that has been the trend for showing the actual Mazdaspeed version of the cars.

This is just the "MPS" version, which has usually turned into the Mazdaspeed version here.
this WILL be teh Mazdaspeed6 for the NA market, and Mazdaspeed Atenza in Japan, below is the OFFICIAL product information page from the Mazda media site:

http://www.media.mazda.com/news_release/product_info/2004/0924a_e.html

pics gallery:

http://www.plekkie.net/anton/ahura/mazda6mps.htm

[ZoomZoomH]

I didnt mean that the car wouldnt come here all I was saying was that we wont get the direct injection engineif they're gonna announce the car with the new direct injection engine, they will figure out some way to make it work with US fuel... that's a BIG piece of the car's selling point, it's gotta be available

doesn't BMW also sell direct-injected engines in their cars in the US as well?

[M=SP^2]

Freaking awsome, I'm glad they went with single turbo direct injection over twin turbo....wonder what the price will be. If it's under 30K, that's my next car.

[Black Majik MSP]

I didnt mean that the car wouldnt come here all I was saying was that we wont get the direct injection engine
I don't see why...VW & Audi's new lines of cars are going to be direct injection.

[Stormtrooper77]

the 6.6 is for 0-100 km/h, which is equal to 0-62 mph

with that in mind, if you knock down a couple miles from that time, it's most likely a sub-6 second 0-60mph car (a la Legacy GT)

this is a legitimate Legacy GT fighter, in case you haven't figured that out, lol
I was just commenting on the fact that with that power, it should be significantly quicker, 0 - 100 kph and/or 0 - 62 mph.

[Black Majik MSP]

pics gallery:

http://www.plekkie.net/anton/ahura/mazda6mps.htm
Interior (thumb)
Exterior (blarf)

[Focuz_Freek_XxX]

id hit it

[jaman]

Interior (thumb)

Exterior (blarf)
To each his own, I LOVE IT!!

[eting_pro5]

God bless your soul wongpres for posting this. This thread made my day.

Is 260 PS the same as 260 HP?

And does anyone else think that the MS6 having AWD gives the MS3 a better chance of having AWD?

I'm also glad the exterior looks significantly different than the standard 6 as it gives hope to the idea that an MS3 won't be quite as bubble-esque.

[Karl Marx]

Rims are terrible
Rear lights are terrible
Back bumper is terrible.

The rest is ok. Interior is real nice.

[II-Savy]

Yea I'm not nuts over it. It's not ugly but it doesn't jump out at all. Maybe it's the lame color they picked to show it. I think my Blue MSP looks better.

[ZoomZoomH]

that car in velocity red could look very menacing.... (evil)

[MSPinVA]

I don't see why...VW & Audi's new lines of cars are going to be direct injection.

Hell, Isuzu's engines are freaking direct injection. I, as well, am not terribly thrilled with this car either. When the real US numbers come out, then I will take a second look.

[BradC]

I like it, should be faster for the price though. I do think the new grill is hideous though, and the rims could be better designed. Should be more dished and not be plain silver!

[wongpres]

God bless your soul wongpres for posting this. This thread made my day.

Is 260 PS the same as 260 HP?

And does anyone else think that the MS6 having AWD gives the MS3 a better chance of having AWD?

I'm also glad the exterior looks significantly different than the standard 6 as it gives hope to the idea that an MS3 won't be quite as bubble-esque.
260PS works out to roughly 256hp. Remember this is for Euro-spec and with different tuning, the N. American hp & torque numbers will be slightly different (it typically differs by around 5hp or so). The specifications are also not finalized yet, so even the Euro numbers may change.

[seanmcsean]

I'm not so sure I'd be willing to trade in my hatchback for this.. awd is a plus. there's no lapis blue (pissed), they put a different head unit in there for no particular reason, and I'm not sold on the styling.. my hatchback looks more menacing!! interior is nice though.. and it's a 6 spd. I dunno.

[timba24]

my next car (I wish)

[rx7gslse]

I can't beleive no one caught that... Read the last line....


- Moist Silver Metallic
WTF kinda marketing guy came up with *THAT*(hand)


right driveline.. Wrong car.. that shoudl go into the 3 and not into the 6. For that price/power it's too d@mn big... The 6 is a nice car, but the MZ6 shoudl have at least a 6cyl (supercharge?) The turbo 4 shoudl stay with the 3.

figure that would sell better as welll

[wongpres]

I can't beleive no one caught that... Read the last line....


WTF kinda marketing guy came up with *THAT*(hand)


right driveline.. Wrong car.. that shoudl go into the 3 and not into the 6. For that price/power it's too d@mn big... The 6 is a nice car, but the MZ6 shoudl have at least a 6cyl (supercharge?) The turbo 4 shoudl stay with the 3.

figure that would sell better as welllAnd Moist Silver is also the template color that Mazda will use for marketing the Mazdaspeed6 (including at the Paris autoshow). It looks better than the name - basically it shows more clearcoat than a typical silver (and this is why it was named 'moist'). I agree though, probably not the best name (but it wouldn't surprise me if MazdaUSA and/or Mazda Canada rename it something else).

The Mazdaspeed6 was never going to have a V6, and here's why. The Mazda6 is a global vehicle and only power-hungry N. America has the V6 anyways. The second top engine for the Mazda6 is the 2.3l (which is the top engine outside of N. America). So with the Mazdaspeed6 being a global vehicle, they would never put a V6 in there (it'd kill this vehicle in places like Europe). In addition, the 4-cylinder is also lighter and therefore has better handling (anyone who's driven a Mazda6 V6 and I4 back-to-back would know).

[Sushi-Monster]

And Moist Silver is also the template color that Mazda will use for marketing the Mazdaspeed6 (including at the Paris autoshow). It looks better than the name - basically it shows more clearcoat than a typical silver (and this is why it was named 'moist'). I agree though, probably not the best name (but it wouldn't surprise me if MazdaUSA and/or Mazda Canada rename it something else).

The Mazdaspeed6 was never going to have a V6, and here's why. The Mazda6 is a global vehicle and only power-hungry N. America has the V6 anyways. The second top engine for the Mazda6 is the 2.3l (which is the top engine outside of N. America). So with the Mazdaspeed6 being a global vehicle, they would never put a V6 in there (it'd kill this vehicle in places like Europe). In addition, the 4-cylinder is also lighter and therefore has better handling (anyone who's driven a Mazda6 V6 and I4 back-to-back would know).Don't forget the gas consumption... For sure Europeans are watching how much gas this sucker is goin to eat up.

Still, this car doesnt' wow me at all... great feel I guess, but nothing to be wowed about. Our MSP's wowed alot of people when it came out. Kennwood deck & sub, racing beat springs, LSD, lots of goodies... All we have special to this MS6 is the AWD and DISI turbo...


Oh quick note...

From what I just did for the conversion the supposed figures are

256hp
280lbs of torque.

I guess its pretty good as of what you get from a 2.3l inline 4 turboed. Any thoughts?

[Dexter]

Hey, where the fuck is boostisgood. Yeah, wheres that fucking statement, clown...there will be no more 4 door sedan mazdaspeed vehicles...yeah? tell kevin hirashi to go fuck himself for me.

[Dexter]

Hey, you guys who are downing it, you can knock it all you want, but at least they are making stuff.

[Captain KRM P5]

Don't forget the gas consumption... For sure Europeans are watching how much gas this sucker is goin to eat up.

Still, this car doesnt' wow me at all... great feel I guess, but nothing to be wowed about. Our MSP's wowed alot of people when it came out. Kennwood deck & sub, racing beat springs, LSD, lots of goodies... All we have special to this MS6 is the AWD and DISI turbo...


Oh quick note...

From what I just did for the conversion the supposed figures are

256hp
280lbs of torque.

I guess its pretty good as of what you get from a 2.3l inline 4 turboed. Any thoughts?
what makes you think they aren't going to beef up the suspension on this car? and add more goodies for the US? don't speak too soon just because one article doesn't make specific references.

[Dexter]

"All we have special is AWD"

yeah, whens the last time mazda put THAT in a sedan. GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE THIS IS AWESOME SHIT. God, i thought you dudes were mazda fans :rolleyes:

this shit is so fucking cool.

[Captain KRM P5]

Still, this car doesnt' wow me at all... great feel I guess, but nothing to be wowed about. Our MSP's wowed alot of people when it came out. Kennwood deck & sub, racing beat springs, LSD, lots of goodies... All we have special to this MS6 is the AWD and DISI turbo...
no offense, but a subwoofer that frequently goes bad mated to statistically poor headunit and a LSD that snaps under pressure doesn't 'wow' me as much as a turbocharged all wheel drive sedan whose American release numbers have not even bee finalized yet. you're comparing rotton apples to oranges from a tree that you haven't even seen yet.

you make it sound like all mazda is going to do is slap on an extra set of driveaxles and a turbo. on the protege, the ms miata, the older 323 gtxs, 323 gts, rx7s, and the so-called msrx8 mazda has beefed up every aspect of thier special editions. what makes you think mazda would treat the ms6 as any less of a complete package?

[Dexter]

Me and Ken = mazdza4life, yo. Poseurs need not apply. (cept for Poseur himself, hes cool)

[jrodhotrod]

"All we have special is AWD"

yeah, whens the last time mazda put THAT in a sedan. GIVE ME A BREAK PEOPLE THIS IS AWESOME SHIT. God, i thought you dudes were mazda fans :rolleyes:

this shit is so fucking cool.
w00t! Excatly my thoughts. I see a Mazdaspeed6 in my driveway in the future to go along with the Protege! :D His and hers mazdaspeeds, doesn't get any better than that.

Now I just will to resist the urge to mod it, muahahahaha....

[Albino Flash]

MazdaUSA's website says 274 HP and 280 lb-ft of torque

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeed6

[jaman]

For those who think it's just a AWD and a DISI Turbo.

http://www.media.mazda.com/news_release/product_info/2004/0924a_e.html

Did you get the part that it has 50% better torisonal stiffness than a regular Mazda6!

Yeah, just AWD and turbo.

MAZDA RULES!!!

[FrigginGLI]

Nice , they need to keep it under 30k thoe. To get these types of numbers, I bet the boost is running over 15lbs. Hope they tune the ECU correctly. (thumb)

[JOS3]

im not digging the wheels or the tail lights. i hope they decide to put some nicer mazdaspeed wheels that those. also, i was expecting it to have a ground effects kit. nothing crazy, just subtle. i guess we'll have to wait and see once its here

[Gbourdon]

Interior (thumb)
Exterior (blarf)(yes)

[Stormtrooper77]

And Moist Silver is also the template color that Mazda will use for marketing the Mazdaspeed6 (including at the Paris autoshow). It looks better than the name - basically it shows more clearcoat than a typical silver (and this is why it was named 'moist'). I agree though, probably not the best name (but it wouldn't surprise me if MazdaUSA and/or Mazda Canada rename it something else).
Maybe the dude/dudette was a David Usher fan (Moist's first album - Silver)?

[ZoomZoomH]

bah, they listed it as a 2006 car on MUSA site.

i can't wait that long, screw it, i'm getting a MSM :D

[Jenna]

Sweet!

I found my next car! Even though I only got mine in may, lol

[eting_pro5]

Me and Ken = mazdza4life, yo. Poseurs need not apply. (cept for Poseur himself, hes cool)
6 speed, AWD, 274 HP, Turbo 4 is good enough for me.

But i'd rather be part of MAZDA4LIFE.



But different wheels would be nice.

[StuttersC]

Nice , they need to keep it under 30k thoe. To get these types of numbers, I bet the boost is running over 15lbs. Hope they tune the ECU correctly. (thumb)
I doubt they are running that much boost...

[timba24]

I doubt they are running that much boost...
Well there is a guy with a 6i turbo'd he is running around 7psi or so and makin about 230whp or so maybe a little less

[M=SP^2]

Well if history of Mazdaspeed vehicles is any indication, MS6 is tuned pretty conservatively. Combine that with an engine that supposedly takes very well to boost and things are looking up for the tuner market.

[shaolin]

bah, they listed it as a 2006 car on MUSA site.

i can't wait that long, screw it, i'm getting a MSM :D
So if that's the case, what's the Mazdaspeed car for 2005?? BTW, MSM is real nice, really feels like a go kart. Just oh so tiny.

[ZoomZoomH]

they're gonna sell MSM for another year, adding Lava Orange Mica and Black Mica as new colors! (reminds me of when MSP first game out in '03, lol)

[Mikey444]

Shit, looks awesome, must get Mazda 6 speed, must get Mazda 6 speed lol. When the Mazda 3's lease is over :D

[lavajumper]

yeah, i bought my p5 in feb after i totaled my mx-6, and ever since the wrx came out, i've wanted one of those for obvious reasons (awd, turbo, mod market, ....). ever since the 6 came out, i've loved that too, and i'd heard of an overseas awd turbo, and hoped that the us market may actually get it. thank goodness for that, and hopefully that will be my next ride. now if only i can get the money.....

anyone have any idea yet what the sticker might debut at yet? (thumb)

[Captain KRM P5]

yeah, i bought my p5 in feb after i totaled my mx-6, and ever since the wrx came out, i've wanted one of those for obvious reasons (awd, turbo, mod market, ....). ever since the 6 came out, i've loved that too, and i'd heard of an overseas awd turbo, and hoped that the us market may actually get it. thank goodness for that, and hopefully that will be my next ride. now if only i can get the money.....

anyone have any idea yet what the sticker might debut at yet? (thumb)
it would have to be at/around/under $30,000 to be a viable alternative to the Evo/Wrx crowd

[soccrstar]

(omg) i am practically sold on that MS6 274HP 280trqe 2.3L turbo with AWD. sh*t. (dance) (mj)

and i planned on getting a saturn ION QC. dam i know this car aint coming in til this time next year. got a '01 kia sephia atm (blarf)

dam maby i should wait?.... IONS do have 4500 off MSRP that should help in depreciation balance it off til MS6 (yes)

dam i wish it was 2006 already

[Sushi-Monster]

no offense, but a subwoofer that frequently goes bad mated to statistically poor headunit and a LSD that snaps under pressure doesn't 'wow' me as much as a turbocharged all wheel drive sedan whose American release numbers have not even bee finalized yet. you're comparing rotton apples to oranges from a tree that you haven't even seen yet.

you make it sound like all mazda is going to do is slap on an extra set of driveaxles and a turbo. on the protege, the ms miata, the older 323 gtxs, 323 gts, rx7s, and the so-called msrx8 mazda has beefed up every aspect of thier special editions. what makes you think mazda would treat the ms6 as any less of a complete package?
I didn't expect the MS6 to dissapoint. But when the MS Miata came out, all it really had was a turbo. And that was what Miata's were really missing. But you woulda assumed that they woulda done something with the sound system and all. Keep in mind though, if I didn't have the MSP, I woulda hit the miata long ago (gotta love 50/50 weight distro & RWD). I was expecting maybe a little too much. After all, even with our problems with the MSP, don't you think that if you didn't know about those issues, that the car was the shit? Come on. Your dissin it now because it's been giving your grief n all. I'll admit though, I didnt' even know what I was typing on my post. But when I saw the pictures of the car, it didn't wow me, so it pretty much went the same for the entire car.

Anyways, when I saw first MazdaSpeed protege it was something I didn't expect any car company would do. It was slightly tricked out but they touch just enough on everything to make you love the car in front of you. But after the MazdaSpeed Miata, all we seem to see was just the new turbo, looks and all the performance parts that are associated with it. That's great and all, but you could have done something with the sound system. It was something given when you saw the first MazdaSpeed. Really, when you saw the MSP, you didn't care that it had the turbo or not. The fact that it had a different deck besides the stock one, made you knew that there must be more to this car then the looks and sound. If the MS6 exterior/interior can break out of its current setup (which is fine by the way, but something totally different would be really cool), it'll for sure sell the car the moment people sit in the thing. Just the fact something like the sound system is different from all the Mazda6's in the showroom, would prolly gives many people good vibes. Just cause if has AWD & new turbo, would it make people notice that more quickly? After all, most car buyers already know that Subaru is king of AWD with turbo's, so by introducing AWD & new turbo (and better suspension) under the hood, won't mean I'll buy the car.

[Sushi-Monster]

(omg) i am practically sold on that MS6 274HP 280trqe 2.3L turbo with AWD. sh*t. (dance) (mj)

and i planned on getting a saturn ION QC. dam i know this car aint coming in til this time next year. got a '01 kia sephia atm (blarf)

dam maby i should wait?.... IONS do have 4500 off MSRP that should help in depreciation balance it off til MS6 (yes)

dam i wish it was 2006 alreadyLooks like the conversion figures aren't too far off. Which is great. I wonder if this car has the potential to hit 300whp with higher boost... LOL... or will it pop like our MSP's??? hahaha

But from the images, it seems that the overall apperance of the MS6 hasn't changed from the posted pics on this forum. I hope this at least changes when 2006 arrives.

EDITED:
WHY THE FUCK DID MAZDA NOT PUT THESE RIMS ON THE MS6. THAT ALONE WOULDA MADE ME BUY THE CAR!!! http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/speedDisplayAccessoryDetail.action?speedAccessoryI d=46&startModelYear=2004&endModelYear=2005&categoryId=5&carLineCode=MZ6

[Shane5425]

overall the car looks sweet, if i were to ever get one that intercooler and pipeing would go.. how the hell does that thing even get air to cool it.. FMIC is a must for that car...thats my opinion

[anarchistchiken]

when you saw the MSP, you didn't care that it had the turbo or not. The fact that it had a different deck besides the stock one, made you knew that there must be more to this car then the looks and sound.
WHAT?!?!?! You're telling me that you bought your MSP for a shitty kenwood head unit and some half decent speakers?


If the MS6 exterior/interior can break out of its current setup (which is fine by the way, but something totally different would be really cool)
Go look at the car in your driveway. One of the reasons it sold so well is because of the similair look it had to the awsome looking 3rd gen proteges.


Just the fact something like the sound system is different from all the Mazda6's in the showroom, would prolly gives many people good vibes.
That's a good point, but do you really want people driving a 300 hp, 3200 lb car around because they like the sound instead of the performance?



Just cause if has AWD & new turbo, would it make people notice that more quickly?
Ummmm, yeah I think that's kinda what they're goin after there slick.


After all, most car buyers already know that Subaru is king of AWD with turbo's.
Who told you that? Indeed they are great, but the king? I disagree. I'm trying to think of another car company that uses AWD turbo platforms and performs better than subaru....

OH YEAH!! Porsche!!! Man, how could I forget about them. Well, and mitsubishi, who's been mass producing AWD turbo cars longer that subaru.


Not trying to flme you man, but there were just too many fucked up comments in there for me to resist.

[kopp0041]

The MS6 is on my select list of cars I'd by next. Overall, I'm very excited that Mazda brought the AWD Turbo'd 6 to our shores. I'm very interested in testing thie MS6 and 2004 Subaru 2.5GT the next summer back-to-back. I think the MS6 has the suspension, limited edition, and the fact that it's a Mazda helping it win the debate between the two.

[anarchistchiken]

The MS6 and the new 2.5GT are going to be very different cars in my opinion. I dont think it'll be just any one or two things that make the decision for you once you actually ride in both of em.

[Newf]

The Stereo was a selling point for me in the speed. And that fact that this car doesn't have a cool stereo is not good for me. I lease my cars, and I dont' like tearing up the interior and shit to put in a better stereo, only to throw money away since it's a lease.

Top that with the very difficult dash setup in the Mazda6, making it very hard to put in an aftermarkey one, and I was really hoping to see a better stereo system in the Mazdaspeed 6. I've driven a few loaded 6's, and the optional Bose system sucks ass.

Granted, AWD, and a stock turbo is a much more important thing to have, and not easily added later on if you didin't have them. but, they could have done something with the stereo. I hope that changes before release.

For the record, my sub/speakers/head unit have been flawless.

[seanmcsean]

I don't really mind the bose system, actually. for a stock audio system its pretty good.. good enough that I'm not going to change anything..

[spec5protege]

it would have to be at/around/under $30,000 to be a viable alternative to the Evo/Wrx crowd
At 30k it's not a viable alternative to the wrx; it would be competing with the STi which would eat it for lunch... Seems like more of a competitor to the Legacy GT, as long as they keep the price down...

[Newf]

sti = completely different car, as is the evo.

The speed has tons more class and aimed towards a more "mature" and professional character. The STI/EVO scream boy racer with deep pockets.

I'm guessing in Canadian dollars, the Mazdaspeed 6 will be around 36-38 grand.

my speed was 28, 600 ( not what I paid though )

The 6, 4cyl, 5spd with leather, bose system, ground effects, spoiler etc, basically loaded, is 31 grand here as it is.


The legacy is a better match. As is a 3 series sedan.

[FBI14]

EDITED:
WHY THE FUCK DID MAZDA NOT PUT THESE RIMS ON THE MS6. THAT ALONE WOULDA MADE ME BUY THE CAR!!! http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/speedDisplayAccessoryDetail.action?speedAccessoryI d=46&startModelYear=2004&endModelYear=2005&categoryId=5&carLineCode=MZ6
Hell yeah those are so much better than the stock ones on the MS6

[eting_pro5]

I didn't expect the MS6 to dissapoint. But when the MS Miata came out, all it really had was a turbo. And that was what Miata's were really missing. But you woulda assumed that they woulda done something with the sound system and all. Keep in mind though, if I didn't have the MSP, I woulda hit the miata long ago (gotta love 50/50 weight distro & RWD). I was expecting maybe a little too much. After all, even with our problems with the MSP, don't you think that if you didn't know about those issues, that the car was the shit? Come on. Your dissin it now because it's been giving your grief n all. I'll admit though, I didnt' even know what I was typing on my post. But when I saw the pictures of the car, it didn't wow me, so it pretty much went the same for the entire car.

Anyways, when I saw first MazdaSpeed protege it was something I didn't expect any car company would do. It was slightly tricked out but they touch just enough on everything to make you love the car in front of you. But after the MazdaSpeed Miata, all we seem to see was just the new turbo, looks and all the performance parts that are associated with it. That's great and all, but you could have done something with the sound system. It was something given when you saw the first MazdaSpeed. Really, when you saw the MSP, you didn't care that it had the turbo or not. The fact that it had a different deck besides the stock one, made you knew that there must be more to this car then the looks and sound. If the MS6 exterior/interior can break out of its current setup (which is fine by the way, but something totally different would be really cool), it'll for sure sell the car the moment people sit in the thing. Just the fact something like the sound system is different from all the Mazda6's in the showroom, would prolly gives many people good vibes. Just cause if has AWD & new turbo, would it make people notice that more quickly? After all, most car buyers already know that Subaru is king of AWD with turbo's, so by introducing AWD & new turbo (and better suspension) under the hood, won't mean I'll buy the car.
You know someone once made a car just for you.








It was the Ford Focus Sony Xplod edition.

[Sushi-Monster]

That’s okay bro... Everyone has there own opinion. For sure, you have a point. But for some people, who don't have the cash when they buy the car to put in aftermarket stuff, having the usual essentials is a must. But when it comes down to the 300hp 3200lb car, cars like the Acura TL, proven platform can still perform (even though it's a overpriced bucket of crap). Weighing around 3400lbs, the luxury car comes with DVD Audio. Sure, you might think its not all cool and all, but it is a luxury class car. People might possibly buy it because of the DVD Audio when (possibly) no one else has it. It's basically the same idea when I saw the MSP (Actually I knew about the deck way before hand but seeing it in person sure as hell sways your opinion of the car!) but that’s my opinion. For the 3rd gen Protégés, it was because of the protege5 that made it look great. The fact that they brought it over to the MazdaSpeed Protégé platform made it an instant success. Still, I guess that’s contradicting to all my statements since the 6 never had anything to work with from the beginning. For the knowledge of AWD, I was too quick to answer that one. Yeah, I’ll take that back. Subaru isn’t king of AWD but their pretty damn close. But really, when you come to think of it, I guess the advertising kinda sold me on who was superior in the AWD department. Really, how many Porsche Carrera 4s commercials do you see on TV? Compared to Subaru Legacy GT, I guess most people would think of that over a 120G (CDN estimate) car.



WHAT?!?!?! You're telling me that you bought your MSP for a shitty kenwood head unit and some half decent speakers?


Go look at the car in your driveway. One of the reasons it sold so well is because of the similair look it had to the awsome looking 3rd gen proteges.


That's a good point, but do you really want people driving a 300 hp, 3200 lb car around because they like the sound instead of the performance?



Ummmm, yeah I think that's kinda what they're goin after there slick.


Who told you that? Indeed they are great, but the king? I disagree. I'm trying to think of another car company that uses AWD turbo platforms and performs better than subaru....

OH YEAH!! Porsche!!! Man, how could I forget about them. Well, and mitsubishi, who's been mass producing AWD turbo cars longer that subaru.


Not trying to flme you man, but there were just too many fucked up comments in there for me to resist.

[Sushi-Monster]

You know someone once made a car just for you.








It was the Ford Focus Sony Xplod edition.
Er, isn't that a 2001 model car??? Oh it seems the MS6 is coming closer than everyone thought... Supposed intro date would be March/April 2005. I guess another 6 months we'll be able to see what it really looks like in person!

[StuttersC]

Er, isn't that a 2001 model car??? Oh it seems the MS6 is coming closer than everyone thought... Supposed intro date would be March/April 2005. I guess another 6 months we'll be able to see what it really looks like in person!

You'll most likely see it at SEMA...

[Da 6]

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeed6&bhcp=1 click the keep me updated on bottom of the page...

[Newf]

Er, isn't that a 2001 model car??? Oh it seems the MS6 is coming closer than everyone thought... Supposed intro date would be March/April 2005. I guess another 6 months we'll be able to see what it really looks like in person!
so if they say march....they really mean, September right ? :)

[yashooa]

"The 17-inch brakes"
WTF? This has to be a typo. 17 rotors! NO WAY!

[StuttersC]

"The 17-inch brakes"
WTF? This has to be a typo. 17 rotors! NO WAY!

I was wondering that too...

[anarchistchiken]

Well the mazda USA website says that the car WILL have direct injection. Whadya know.

[Antoine]

The car is going to be HOT...of course the haters will post empty reasons why it sucks or isn't up to par...but once the car is on the street...most will see the light...and most will be drooling just to check one out...search for this post in a year and you'll see what I mean...

[anarchistchiken]

antoine knows all. Do not doubt him!

I actually fully agree. When people start modding these, it's gonna be nuts.

[Da 6]

mod.....al you need is rims and tint....that's it! as crossbow mentioned earlier those rims(I'm not liking so much) would ebay for a really really good profit! I'd also sell that accord front end so someone can have a real mazdaspeed front facia on their 6...for another profit as well. with the money you can get ligher better looking rims and my taste would be sport package front end.

[thunder]

I wonder though, since they had hard time selling all the Protégé MSP and the Miata MSP, will this time be different? If not, than I'll wait to make sure prices will fall 'till they are desperate so this time I'll get a good deal! :)

[Newf]

"The 17-inch brakes"
WTF? This has to be a typo. 17 rotors! NO WAY!
yeah that crossed my mind as well. Good luck getting winter tires for it

[Newf]

The car is going to be HOT...of course the haters will post empty reasons why it sucks or isn't up to par...but once the car is on the street...most will see the light...and most will be drooling just to check one out...search for this post in a year and you'll see what I mean...
it is going to be hot ( in more way then 1...i.e..heat soak) and I would probably trade my speed for it in a heart beat.

But since this car is going to be nearing 40 grand for me, my opinion probably doesn't matter as I will never afford it. To be honest though, 276hp, and it only does 0-60 in 6.6 seconds? wtf?? Typo, bad drivers? No impressive at all.

[Antoine]

Yeah...that 6.6 0-60 time does concern me...will see when the automotive media start testing them...bit it's still HOT!...:p

[ViksMSP]

wow, it's been like 2 months since i've posted here since i got my evo.
and now I get a email from MazdaUsa about this MS6, and let me wipe my tears off.
I got my evo cause i didn't think ms6 was going to happen, i love the evo, but i'm sure i can love a ms6 more. sucks that i have like 10k negative equity after the msp, i would have traded in for ms6.

but in all reality, i don't think this will be less then 35k msrp. and dealers will probably want 40+ at first, and i'm sure some of you will pay that.
think about it, 25k for a 4cyl, add turbo 28k, add awd 32k, add all that suspension tuning and stiffened frame 35k and bigger wheels, bigger disc brakes and on and on, i'm sure the price will be outragous like on the MSM.

that's my 2 cents.

[StuttersC]

The price isn't outrageous on the Mazdaspeed MX-5.

The price won't be outrageous on this car neither. It'll be in-line with all other Mazdaspeed products.

An EVO is over priced for what you get, so is an STi...

[LaserBlue]

My crystal ball says there will be a lot of tears shed when the Altima SE-R (and legacy gt) starts handing out damage to MS6 owners.
Forget the peak hp and torque numbers. Lets see the torque spread on a dyno sheet.
Not to be such a party pooper but IMO those looking for performance will buy the sti,lancer,et all. And those looking for a sports sedan will opt for the legacy or the N/A grunt of the Altima at the same price.
Seriously.....Excluding the sti and the evo, who the fuck wants to lay out 30 grand on a 4 banger?

It will be the msp vs srt-4 BS all over again.

[protegeV]

Out of curiosity, where did the AWD system come from? I am not familiar with it, and I dont recall any AWD mazdas in the US since the GTX.

[ViksMSP]

The price isn't outrageous on the Mazdaspeed MX-5.

The price won't be outrageous on this car neither. It'll be in-line with all other Mazdaspeed products.

An EVO is over priced for what you get, so is an STi...thanks, i didn't expect anything less harsh from a die hard mazda fan.
I know it's overpriced that's why i got it so i can kick myself everyday i wake up. but when i hit the gas in 4th gear and fly by you it only feels so much better.
although my msp at 14psi was quicker i thought, evo is just insanely too much fun in the twisties, and yeah that's comparing to msp.

but this is a MS6 thread and i guarantee you a msrp price of at least 33k. but to make all of you feel warm and fuzzy, you can wish mazda will sell it for 28k.
the more you guys love it the more expansive it will be, it's the rules of sales.
mark my words, the first ms6 for sale will have a price tag of over 40k after the dealer markup

[protegeV]

but this is a MS6 thread and i guarantee you a msrp price of at least 33k. but to make all of you feel warm and fuzzy, you can wish mazda will sell it for 28k.
the more you guys love it the more expansive it will be, it's the rules of sales.
mark my words, the first ms6 for sale will have a price tag of over 40k after the dealer markupI dont doubt your theory, but I cant imagine who would pay it...There's not THAT much stigma surrounding the MAZDASPEED brand, not anticipation of the MS6 like there was for the EVO, STi, LegacyGT, even the Infiniti G35(just to stretch things out a bit)...I envision the car being overpriced and seeing them sit on dealer lots for upwards of 6months before being sold for or below invoice to people who'd rather have a great deal than the car they actually like the best.

[ViksMSP]

I dont doubt your theory, but I cant imagine who would pay it...There's not THAT much stigma surrounding the MAZDASPEED brand, not anticipation of the MS6 like there was for the EVO, STi, LegacyGT, even the Infiniti G35(just to stretch things out a bit)...I envision the car being overpriced and seeing them sit on dealer lots for upwards of 6months before being sold for or below invoice to people who'd rather have a great deal than the car they actually like the best.I agree partially, i think it will be a big hit, people loved the M6, and it was praised inside out by so many magazines, same with mazda3, i see so many of them now. People know about M6, as soon as they see MS6 on front page article of Road and Track, guess what, you'll see a big smile on your local dealers face. The game again will be about waiting, some that have patience will wait and save, but i'm sure there's going to be people buying these things at over 35k.
btw is the motor a stock 2.3l or is it upgraded to some point? maybe lower compression pistons? other then DISI, what other mods? anyone know what size turbo?
and if it's awd with a 6spd, i don't know, i wish it would be under 30k, and maybe with a big bonus this year i might be able to pay off some of that negative equity i got.

[timba24]

Out of curiosity, where did the AWD system come from? I am not familiar with it, and I dont recall any AWD mazdas in the US since the GTX.
They have many cars over seas with AWD even the M6 wagons in europe are AWD

[protegeV]

I dont understand why they dont offer it in the states...Hell, slap some AWD on the 3 and 6 and you got decent competition for the impreza and legacy...

[Da 6]

Must be hiroshima! After that no japanese cars were remotely as powerfull. If the import the 6 then we would have way more stuff...dammit they imported the 3 and RX-8...Ond hopefully soon the MS6! After test driving the compedaters..the 6 is missing woodgrain in the states!

[StuttersC]

My crystal ball says there will be a lot of tears shed when the Altima SE-R (and legacy gt) starts handing out damage to MS6 owners.
Forget the peak hp and torque numbers. Lets see the torque spread on a dyno sheet.
Not to be such a party pooper but IMO those looking for performance will buy the sti,lancer,et all. And those looking for a sports sedan will opt for the legacy or the N/A grunt of the Altima at the same price.
Seriously.....Excluding the sti and the evo, who the fuck wants to lay out 30 grand on a 4 banger?

It will be the msp vs srt-4 BS all over again.
The link I posted to the article about the car has a pic of some sort of dyno I'm guessing.

The curve is nice. Peak troque at around 2000 rpm and it starts to fall off at about 5000...See attached.

[StuttersC]

thanks, i didn't expect anything less harsh from a die hard mazda fan.
I know it's overpriced that's why i got it so i can kick myself everyday i wake up. but when i hit the gas in 4th gear and fly by you it only feels so much better.
although my msp at 14psi was quicker i thought, evo is just insanely too much fun in the twisties, and yeah that's comparing to msp.

but this is a MS6 thread and i guarantee you a msrp price of at least 33k. but to make all of you feel warm and fuzzy, you can wish mazda will sell it for 28k.
the more you guys love it the more expansive it will be, it's the rules of sales.
mark my words, the first ms6 for sale will have a price tag of over 40k after the dealer markup
Before you got get all high and mighty on me, I think the R32 was overpriced a bit as well.

I'm glad you are happy with your EVO. Quite frankly, I've never really been impressed with Mitsubishi for much of what they've built over the years. To many crappy cars.

We'll wait and see what the MSRP will be. It could be higher than 30k, but talk is cheap as of now. Like as been mentioned, the car hasn't even been finalized for the US. There si no telling what it will cost.

As for people paying way more than what its worth, oh well. If you don't want to be an informed consumer and go buy a car with a handful of knowledge and an idea of what the car is worth, so be it. You are going to get burned by doing that.

Dealer mark-up is BS. I refuse to pay that stuff simply because it is a "limited" vehicle. There is no need for that kind of stuff and those dealers will have the cars on the lot for a long time. I saw it happen in the Denver metro area with the MP3, the MSP and MS MX-5...

So it goes...

[Da 6]

yep the reason I have a 6 now is cause dodge marked the srt-4 up to fawkin $28...I can get a RS for that! Oh and the no test drive policy was in efect even after aprasial (gtfo)

[Newf]

a neon for 28k? Is that US$?

ROFL!!!!!

[Andres]

Hello all,

I love the car, it shows Mazda and MNAO guys have guts and they're still committed to the recent years' sports car soul concept, and to bring it to the US.
Now, I see some good and not-so-good things from CAREFULLY reading the tech article on the Mazdaspeed6...
http://www.media.mazda.com/news_release/product_info/2004/0924a_e.html

Good:
- Obviously active torque-split AWD system & Turbo (duh!).
- 50% improved torsional rigidity over conventional chassis.
- Chassis reinforcements aren't adding too much weight.
- You can still switch off the DSC.
- Brakes, Suspensions, Chassis & Electronics thought out as a one = Famous Mazda handling.
- Normal, Sport & Snow modes are electronically selected for the front/rear torque distribution system.
- Power take-off (PTO) system helps launch by "agressively" transfering torque to the rear wheels.
- Rear LSD.
- Higher torque figures at lower RPMs from the direct-injection system.
- Steel crankshaft and rods.
- Simple single turbocharger design.
- Available boost "at around 2500 RPM".

Not-so-good:
- Relatively high 9.5:1 compression ratio.
- Electronic throttle.
- Latest Mazda ECU softwares don't seem too friendly for tuners...
- Normal, Sport & Snow modes seem to be determined only by the computer, not the user (maybe I'm wrong...).
- Open front differential (this is more I wish it had an LSD kind of thing...).
- Top-mount IC not as "friendly" as a FMIC design.

Anyway, just a few points I noticed...
Later,
Andrés.

[Rainman]

I for one am anxiously awaiting the arrival of this car to complement my little yellow MSP. I went in to the dealership and extended my wife's lease on our 2000 Protege SE so that I could hang on until it came out (was just set to buy a 2005 Legacy GT). The dealer said that he expected it to be around $38000.00 CAN, which would put it in the same ball-park as the Legacy GT and quite a bit cheaper than the STi, the Evo8, and the R32.

I love all of the positive points mentioned about this car, although the styling is verging on "too refined" (can you say....sleeper?). But the top-mount is an issue of concern. While I know the hood scoop is a popular thing these days, I am interested to see how the air delivery is managed under the hood, if there is no hood scoop. Will it work any better than the pathetic little side-mount installed on my MSP? It will be interesting to see. I'm sure there will be more than a few aftermarket hood kits that become available quickly enough if this system proves ineffective.

R


Top-mount IC not as "friendly" as a FMIC design.

Anyway, just a few points I noticed...
Later,
Andrés.

[Da 6]

top mount with no scoop...is it still considered an intercooler? Maybe it's gas cooled and that info was left out (Hopefully) like when they made the V6 run pig fawkin rich. front mount with evo hood vents would be a far more better system imho.


a neon for 28k? Is that US$?

ROFL!!!!! Their reasoning behind it was cause it's a red High Perfomance vehicle with 1 mile on the odo! sitting on the lot for 6 months and still no bites...when 5 people walk out the door the same day after hearing the price and the car sits for more than 5 months selling it before the 04 models (Perticularly electric blue) to come in would be ideal. We went down the street to maxda and took the RX-8 out with just a license and insurance info. After I got back I tested th 3s and 6i after the 6i came out cheaper I got it....shudda waited for a manual(chair)

[travisto]

yep the reason I have a 6 now is cause dodge marked the srt-4 up to fawkin $28...I can get a RS for that! Oh and the no test drive policy was in efect even after aprasial (gtfo)
(wow) If you can make it to Tulsa their $19,500 on the 04's and they have one for test driving that's been rode harder than my girlfriend at a bukake party! (rockon)

[II-Savy]

(wow) If you can make it to Tulsa their $19,500 on the 04's and they have one for test driving that's been rode harder than my girlfriend at a bukake party! (rockon)
Oh man that was your girlfriend?!(evil)

[Da 6]

whoa swingers eh"!"

[LaserBlue]

Whats bukake? :rolleyes:

[MzD808SpD]

Damn i thougt they'd make it look like the JDM A-Spec version. it looks better

[Sushi-Monster]

Damn i thougt they'd make it look like the JDM A-Spec version. it looks better
http://www.geocities.jp/kan_atenza/photo/Aspec01.jpg

Just the fact that if the MS6 looked like this, I would buy it in a heart beat.

[MzD808SpD]

sorry bro the link doesn't work. cause i tried putting those pics on here but it didn't work

[SVTJayC]

I'm confused...You guys seem to keep using the phrase "bring it over here". Why would they not build it at the flat rock plant like all the other Mazda 6's?

[jaman]

^^ The press realease said all of them will be made in Japan.

[wongpres]

I'm confused...You guys seem to keep using the phrase "bring it over here". Why would they not build it at the flat rock plant like all the other Mazda 6's?
Not only does Flat Rock not have the capability (I mean the tooling, I'm not dissing them), but Flat Rock also has its hands completely full at the moment with the Mustang and also working on the Mustang variants (i.e. next is convertible, followed by the special editions).

[slug420]

(wow) If you can make it to Tulsa their $19,500 on the 04's and they have one for test driving that's been rode harder than my girlfriend at a bukake party! (rockon)
rofl(rlaugh)

[Da 6]

I'm confused...You guys seem to keep using the phrase "bring it over here". Why would they not build it at the flat rock plant like all the other Mazda 6's?reason being the 2.3 us is 160 jdm 2.3 is 175 utilzing difrent engine block and head all together running 91 and up octane. mazda usa are cheap and if it is made here we loose the navi and possibly a chance at hids(which the headlight housing is designed for from the get go)....reason 3 has more stuff than the bigger luxury sport sedan(notcool)

I'm not dissing you 3 guys...just mazda for maing the sport compact more luxurier than the the luxury sports sedan! and after all the whining and crying the speed RX-8 has clear side markers and we still get te amber ones.

<Rant/>

[timba24]

um I dont think the jdm 2.3 is a enrite different block just differet heads and pistons

[Da 6]

jdm 2.3 utilizes a 2.3 duratec block? not tring to spew misinfo just correct whats on the table now...I was told swaping blocks wasn't feasable cause if I was able to I was going to a jyard and snatch one.

[ZoomZoomH]

it's the same engine design worldwide, just with different tuning for each region's fuel/emission requirements.

[Da 6]

it's the same engine design worldwide, just with different tuning for each region's fuel/emission requirements. but 2 difrent compression ratios? where is crossbow with his manual cause now this is gonna eat away at me.

*edit*


Cylinder head construction is of aluminum-silicon alloy - thermally treated for strength and durability after the casting process - with an asymmetrical, four-valves-per-cylinder design. Two inlet valves (32.5-mm for the 1.8-liter; 35 mm for the 2.0-liter and 2.3-liter) are positioned at 19 degrees, and the two exhaust valves (28 mm and 30 mm, respectively) are positioned at 20 degrees. The compression ratio for the family of 4-cylinder engines varies from 9.7 to 10.8 depending on displacement and market.

Displacement variations for Mazda's new family of engines are achieved by increasing bore size (87.5 mm for the 2.0-liter versus 83.0 mm for the 1.8-liter) while keeping the common stroke length of 83.1 mm for the 2.0-liter and 1.8-liter. The stroke for the 2.3-liter with S-VT is 94 mm.
still searching...

[timba24]

dude its the same block you dont have to change the block to change the compression the JDM 2.3 has different pistons and heads

[slug420]

haha.......sorry but you are wrong my well intentioned friend.

totally different block.

the JDM 2.3 which is what they are using for the mazdaspeed 6 is a FFJ

next time get your facts straight before you go aroudn influencing youngens.....


PIyCE OUT!!!1!!one1!NIAAGHEGHHFr

[sjdmp5]

I'd also sell that accord front end so someone can have a real mazdaspeed front facia on their 6...for another profit as well. with the money you can get ligher better looking rims and my taste would be sport package front end.

Autoexe will release a kit I'm sure. Also has anyone else thought that detuning this engine and putting it in the 3 results in a Mazdaspeed 3? Although I don't think it will happen until 2007.

[II-Savy]

Autoexe will release a kit I'm sure. Also has anyone else thought that detuning this engine and putting it in the 3 results in a Mazdaspeed 3? Although I don't think it will happen until 2007.
Now that would be something. This I would buy almost sight unseen. Add some aggressive wheels, better stereo, lower it some, tighter suspension. DONE(rockon)

[SVTJayC]

WRONG...they are the same block. Different heads/pistons. What would be the point of creating a "world engine" if you used different blocks in every market? The JDM spec version supports Direct injection, as does the European version, but all the blocks still start out as the same. It is a modular design, that is the whole point. The only block that is different is the diesel version for the euro market.

Again...here is THE INFO:

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/mazda_duratec_HE.html

Oh wait...now im REALLLY gonna piss some of you off. It's also the same block in the Focus, Ranger, and soon to be Escape.

[ZoomZoomH]

^and the tribute, and the next generation Miata...

[slug420]

WRONG...they are the same block. Different heads/pistons. What would be the point of creating a "world engine" if you used different blocks in every market? The JDM spec version supports Direct injection, as does the European version, but all the blocks still start out as the same. It is a modular design, that is the whole point. The only block that is different is the diesel version for the euro market.

Again...here is THE INFO:

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/mazda_duratec_HE.html

Oh wait...now im REALLLY gonna piss some of you off. It's also the same block in the Focus, Ranger, and soon to be Escape.
wrong.

[SVTJayC]

Ignorant in the face of facts eh? You sir are definitely from New England.

[II-Savy]

Ignorant in the face of facts eh? You sir are definitely from New England.
Hey careful New England bashing there dude, I can hurt people you haven't meet yet that are from a different country.

[MnDriver]

Looks like it will be a nice car with a 2.3 liter four cylinder engine and 274 hp and 280 lb of torque. and Awd. wonder how it will handle and drive look like killer interor also.

[Da 6]

I didn't intentionaly mean for this to become a sausage kicking fest...just to clear up any or all rumors of JDM specs ;) Play nice

[StuttersC]

wrong.
How is he wrong?

[MnDriver]

The car is sweet cant wait to buy one in 2006 with 274 hp and 280 lb of torque it should fly. The intror is and extiror look great also i have seen a lot about this car but this is the first time i have found these forums. so i guess hey guys. (hi)

[slug420]

it will be especially awesome since it is using a diff block

[Da 6]

http://forum.mazda6tech.com/viewtopic.php?t=6

http://www.carseverything.com/content/article/1346.3/

[slug420]

its on the internet it must be true


trust me on this one guys.....i have inside info

[protegeV]

everyone is on the inside these days(hand)

[Da 6]

ok...forget I ever said the Durtec Block wasn't in the JDM engine. If it keeps up the thread may possibly be locked.

[II-Savy]

I have a friend that has an uncle, that goes to church with the mother of someone who works near a Mazda plant who actually heard from a stranger walking the street near the plant that it will be a JDuraMA block with sodium valves and a new ceramic poly piston. (eek2)


Sorry it's late...TFB

[StuttersC]

its on the internet it must be true


trust me on this one guys.....i have inside info

What?? Inside info from whom?

How is the block different?

[SVTJayC]

Right...I'm sure they created a completely different block for the JDM market, which, COMPLETELY contradicts the entire POINT, of having a world engine. Is it configured differently? Yes. Does it have DIS, where the US version does not? Yes. Does it have different pistons? Yes. Does it have different heads? I don't believe so. Does't it have a different block? NO. That doesn't even make sense. All of the plants (worldwide) are equipped to make ALL of the Duratec variants. Because they all start out the same.

[slug420]

it has sodium valves you idiot. and anyone knows you need a completely different aspect ratio for sodium valves.

next time read up a little bit on what you're talking about before you open your mouth

[SVTJayC]

Are those "block valves?" You still have not justified your assinine different block claim. You are retarded. Stop spreading misinformation to these people.

[II-Savy]

it has sodium valves you idiot. and anyone knows you need a completely different aspect ratio for sodium valves.

next time read up a little bit on what you're talking about before you open your mouth
DUDE! I know it needs a different aspect, that's why the guy turned around pointing north while he told me this.

[muohio]

This goes to show who really knows people on the inside at Mazda. Where are all the people that said that this car would never happen? I've been waiting 2 years just to see Mazda prove them wrong. This only gives hope that every Mazda model may have a Mazdaspeed version in the future. Hopefully this car will sell allowing them to introduce a Mazda3 version.

[slug420]

esoteric.

[soccrstar]

anyone know when the MS6 is due? i heard march/april?....

[Mazda3]

anyone know when the MS6 is due? i heard march/april?....
The first production run is scheduled for November. The car is supposed to hit showrooms in Canada in March. I'm not sure about the U.S., but I would expect a similar time frame.(burnout)

[b00sted]

i might have to trade my msp in for the msp6...see how it drives

[II-Savy]

I was thinking the same thing, it looks like it might be nice,

Dude what's with the asses all over the place? Why not have some cool car pics?

[yeloprofan]

Already thinking of the options. Very quick and dirty photochop.

[Da 6]

I couldn't save it from the chrome rims (LOL J/P) but I did shave doors, rear line where the facia meets rear qtr pannel, the antenna, and the bitch named amber from the front

[timba24]

Already thinking of the options. Very quick and dirty photochop.
why would you buy a performance vehicle like that and then put heavy ass chrome wheels, if you want to see the true potential photochop on some SSR comps of something

[Da 6]

lol I haven't gotten that far in Phottoshoppe $x!lz but when I do gun metal with polished lip will do. pretend they are polished till the meantime ;)

how about them shaved handles tho?

[timba24]

shaved handles cool try takin the chrome out of the tail lamps to see how that looks lol

[wongpres]

how about them shaved handles tho?
Actually, this brings up a point that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere yet. The Mazdaspeed6 uses Mazda's newest and coolest keyless entry system. It's a passcard that will unlock doors and/or trunk as you near it (you don't need to take the passcard out of your pocket). In addition, when you get into the car, you simply turn a stubby key-like thing to start the car (the car detects the card's presence and lets you start that way). Unfortunately, this is all I know about this system so far (if I get more details I'll share).

The Mazda5 (also introduced in Paris '04) also uses this system, although my sources indicate that it won't come on N. American-spec.

So forget about the retractable '05 RX-8, Miata, and MPV keyless - that's already too old!

[Da 6]

eh...remote popers would work? Not like i'd do it foreal tho.

Eh it looks ok I guess on my car with shaved moldings as well

timba I kinda sucked on this session (million things running thru mind) so I made 2 versions ones darker and ones same shade as stock...


*edit* Smothed out the stock taillights w/o chrome and converted chrome to hyper black with polished lip(yippy)

[timba24]

the one with dark wheels would be nice da6

[Da 6]

yeah it's my favorite too



wongpress you mean like the new lexus...walk up and the park lights come on with headlights and as long as you have the passcard on person the car will run. So if the car is on and someone puts a gun to your head and cr jacks you once the car gets like say 3 feet from you it dies? also the current 6 has remote start option will this one have it too or would you need to leave the pass key in the csar for it to remote start with aftermarket system defeating the security feature.

[soccrstar]

looks better on chrome

that moist silver metallic actually make it look sexy

come next year, you going to see alot of moist Mazdaspeed6s :-x

either MS6 or Legacy GTL will b my next car w00t cant wait til it comes out subuaru and mazda dealer 10 sec walk between each will make an awesome comparision.

[wongpres]

wongpres you mean like the new lexus...walk up and the park lights come on with headlights and as long as you have the passcard on person the car will run.

Yes



So if the car is on and someone puts a gun to your head and cr jacks you once the car gets like say 3 feet from you it dies?
also the current 6 has remote start option will this one have it too or would you need to leave the pass key in the csar for it to remote start with aftermarket system defeating the security feature.

I don't know enough about the specifics of the Mazda implementation to say. I don't know how any factory remote start accessories would work (or if it could be done at all).

Mazda's implementation of this keyless is VERY new. It was only introduced with the Japanese-market Mazda Verisa that debuted a few months ago. The Mazda5 and Mazdaspeed6 are the first implementations for this outside of Japan.

As to the shaved door-handles - the reason why this system wouldn't really look nice with shaved door-handles is that this keyless uses a small infra-red like cover on the door handles (both driver & passenger sides). You may be able to see this on the press photos for the Mazdaspeed6 & Euro-spec Mazda5 (though it's likely the lower resolution will make it only appear as a dot, if it appears at all).

[timba24]

Yes


As to the shaved door-handles - the reason why this system wouldn't really look nice with shaved door-handles is that this keyless uses a small infra-red like cover on the door handles (both driver & passenger sides). You may be able to see this on the press photos for the Mazdaspeed6 & Euro-spec Mazda5 (though it's likely the lower resolution will make it only appear as a dot, if it appears at all).
Well see a small IR sensor could be relocated to say the black door trim and it would also hide very well then but of course your talkin a lot of custom work but anyone going through enough trouble to have a good shave job done wouldnt mind payin for that also.

About The chrome black wheels I just dont like the wheels as they look huge and heavy and most people who look to buy this performance sedan wouldnt wanna go slappin on heavier than stock 18's or 19's hell I wouldnt be surprised if most downsized the a wider 17 like a 17x8.

now if someone wants to chop on some ssr comps or something that would be sexy

[Da 6]

I tried :( I'll find another picture and try CF hood with evo vents. I like the RX-8 N/A and Speed rims...rolling fenders is a must.


and soccrstar one word.....Legacy STi (nana)

[soccrstar]

I tried :( I'll find another picture and try CF hood with evo vents. I like the RX-8 N/A and Speed rims...rolling fenders is a must.


and soccrstar one word.....Legacy STi (nana)
haha legacy STI? u mean Impreza STI sillie billie

i was actually thinking of going sub-compact but i keep coming bak to midsized... my choice of vehicles was actually WRX, STI, EVO-8, RX8, S80T5 (cant afford R) i sat in rx8 and was so uncomfortable so that was off the list

other day i want to both mazda and subuaru dealership as they right next to each other and i looked at both but dam the legacy gt Limited looked so dam sexy in atlantic pearl blue but some 19" Silver rims with a nice lip on it, lower it and agrr gon make me all nice n tingly just thinkin bout it also that mazda6 with them chrome rims that was photoshopped made me tingly inside as well so its basically down to test drive of the 2 vehicles and which dealship treats me the best. i'll be happy with either one of 'em both excellent excellent cars

btw sorrie for hijack n offtopicness

[timba24]

haha legacy STI? u mean Impreza STI sillie billie

ok you take the wrx STI I will take a legacy (shocked) STI(man I wish it was possible lol)

do some homework lol

[Da 6]

Yep STi (Subaru Tecnica iternational) is like saying I want a MAZDASPEED or Nismo. I didn't know it existed till someone showed me links to it and the legacy 3.0. Walk into any place in the states and everyonw will say I'l take the STI cause the legacy just has the detuned "STi" engine from the STi.
Now you can baffle your fiends....(nana) (yippy)
Don't worry I didn't know what mazdaspeed ment till I bought a mazdaslow...


Um yeah :( Found the info I needed (Or Didn't want to hear) (rtfm) (pissed)
Same Block...difrent internals and non swapable pcm...


*EDIT Link Added* http://de.geocities.com/s401_lion/subaru/s401/thumbnails.html
Shit theres even a forester STi! http://de.geocities.com/s401_lion/subaru/forester_sg9/Thumbnails.html

[anarchistchiken]

non swapable pcm...How's that work? It's always swappable. You might need to write some cheater codes in to tell the car its the stock unit, but its always possible.

[timba24]

How's that work? It's always swappable. You might need to write some cheater codes in to tell the car its the stock unit, but its always possible.
well when you figure out how to work the CAN system let us know please lol.

[Da 6]

yeah if I can get 91 and up octane flowing thru my cars system and advancing the timing (W/O throwing a piston or spinning a rod) That would deffinently make a difrence .................................................. .............................
















ZOOM ZOOM!

but yeah can bus is screwing me cause I have a handheld scanned but not can bus (pissed)

[soccrstar]

hmmm

is the mazdaspeed6 going to be a sedan or hatch or both avail?

if only a sedan should come with a rear wiper but thats just me

[Da 6]

everyone says sedan. the paris model is hatch for the records(rear wiper)

[wongpres]

As I said in the Mazdaspeed6 lip spoiler thread, the production Mazdaspeed6 will be a sedan. The Mazda6 MPS showcar presented in Paris 2002 was a hatch, but the production version presented in Paris 2004 is the sedan.

Here are links:
2002 concept
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshows/articles/75396/page014.html

2004 production
http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/103045/page004.html

Yes, they look similar, and that demonstrates how Mazda was indeed able to bring most of the concept car's features into production. However, one difference is the bodystyle - the production version is sedan only.

[soccrstar]

direct from Mazdausa.com


2006 MAZDASPEED6

Coming in early summer, the MAZDASPEED6 will feature a direct-injected turbocharged 2.3L engine, 6-speed manual, all-wheel drive, a modified suspension, 18-inch alloy wheels and a significantly more rigid body structure. Aggressive, yet sophisticated styling enhancements plus the practicality of mid-size accommodations complete what will be Mazda's ultimate performance sedan.

w00t early summer baby
going to start saving up for this baby and going to put my tax return in money market til it comes out

cant wait to test drive ms6 n LGTL back2back see which is the best all around n get outta da dam kia :-(

[StuttersC]

Does the inter-cooler look like it might be water-air?


Here is a shot of the back side of the motor:
http://www.msprotege.com/members/StuttersC/MS6motor.jpg


I've been looking for water lines in every pic I've seen of the engine bay, but that dang cover hides everything...

[anarchistchiken]

Even if it is water-air, it's still pointless. There's just no way that enough air is gonna get back to it with no scoop or anything. It's just gonna simmer in the scalding air in the bay. FMIC will be a must, I think.

[StuttersC]

Even if it is water-air, it's still pointless. There's just no way that enough air is gonna get back to it with no scoop or anything. It's just gonna simmer in the scalding air in the bay. FMIC will be a must, I think.
I agree. I'm just trying to figure out why its up there with no scoops and visible air ducting.

[muohio]

The actual hood of the car is what allows for air to get to the IC. Unlike Subaru which puts the duct above the IC, Mazda will use the front of the hood as the scoop and route it back. A top mount is better for constant boost pressure but a front mount offers better cooling.

[Da 6]

holy snikes that looks like a vvt cog!

[soccrstar]

hmm, cant you put a aftermarket hoodscoop on the MS6 along with the stock vent

would that be best? or would that defeat the purpose of the front vent?

[Da 6]

why not do what the sti guys(WRX ;) ) are doing...fmic conversion

[xtrememps]

or just take off the hood (thumb)

[Da 6]

another idea I had was the NX N-tercooler sprayer

[Scott D.]

Is this gonna be another 5 psi stock boost? Also, it'll be interesting to see how many people swap this engine into their MSP's, Proteges, and P5's...

[Da 6]

if it's the same 2.3 block...which it is you just might have something there. Mounting it will be the next chalenge and the pcm updates needed since it's a 1st production mazda ;) remember the pcm controls boost so 1st batch mught be like the evo where at certain rpms the psi drops or the wrx complaints of boost creeps that wds(if the dealership ever updates) might fix. It's do able but gonna be a Bitch in heat till we know what bugs it has when relased.

[StuttersC]

Is this gonna be another 5 psi stock boost? Also, it'll be interesting to see how many people swap this engine into their MSP's, Proteges, and P5's...
None of the Mazdaspeed cars have been running 5 psi stock...

[Andres]

I agree. I'm just trying to figure out why its up there with no scoops and visible air ducting.
Hi,

I did read in the press release they're using the grille as the air inlet for the IC...

"A five-point upper grille section that also serves as the air intake for the engine's intercooler"

but I'm also still trying to figure out if it's a water-air or regular IC because with the grille as an air inlet, it would've been logical to open an exit for the hot air in the center portion of the hood closest to the windshield...

I may be wrong though...

Later,
Andrés.
P.S.: By the way, great engine sketch!, do you have anymore like that?

[StuttersC]

Hi,

I did read in the press release they're using the grille as the air inlet for the IC...

"A five-point upper grille section that also serves as the air intake for the engine's intercooler"

but I'm also still trying to figure out if it's a water-air or regular IC because with the grille as an air inlet, it would've been logical to open an exit for the hot air in the center portion of the hood closest to the windshield...

I may be wrong though...

Later,
Andrés.
P.S.: By the way, great engine sketch!, do you have anymore like that?
That would make sense with the way hood has the bulge up the middle.

And I got the pic from the photo galleries at tripleZoom, the website in my sig...

[Andres]

Hi,

The tripleZoom gallery is good, thanks!.
I was checking the photos carefully, but I just don't see the IC's plastic shroud is actually designed in such a way as to "take" the air coming through the grille, and use it to cool down the air heading to the intake...

Besides, with a horizontally-positioned IC, how can the air pass through the Aluminum fins if there's not an air intake ram or inlet-shaped accessory forcing it...?

I'm not sure yet, but I would say it looks like an air-water IC.

Later,
Andrés.

[anarchistchiken]

Andres! Man It's been a while since I saw you around.

I think the FMIC kit is gonna be the best bet. I just dont get mazda obsession with wierdly placed IC's and plastic pipes.

[StuttersC]

Andres! Man It's been a while since I saw you around.

I think the FMIC kit is gonna be the best bet. I just dont get mazda obsession with wierdly placed IC's and plastic pipes.
They look cool...


Ok, maybe not.

I do like that there is very little pipe between the turbo and the intercooler and the intercooler and the manifold though. Talk about very little pressure drop...

[StuttersC]

Hi,

The tripleZoom gallery is good, thanks!.
....(snip)...

No problem...