I got money burning hole in pocket.....

[CasopoliS]

I do not know what to get for my MSP. I want to upgrade something on the engine, and have been looking heavily into FMIC’s. What do you guys recommend I get next with my money? I can do things on my own…..trust me….but I REALLY can’t decide on what to get. I just talked with Rudy at PANNauto and he had their kit right in front of him. This is from his recent email:

“Jon,
Yes, the injen intake will work on the kit, it’s actually the intake we recommend for it. No really big mod’s are required to install the kit except for shaving the bumper down for clearance and of course moving the new radiator brackets you get. The price for the intercooler kit is $855.00 shipping on it is $30.00. thank you “
It would come powder-coated black(look good on Titanium) with 24 X 6 X 3 intercooler.

It seems like a good deal, and it is in stock. Everyone seems to love the HiBoost due to fitment, though. I truly have no idea which one would be better…..or if I have other options. Vendors, if you are reading, do you have any FMIC’s IN STOCK, and if so what price?

If anyone has any other ideas as to what I should spend my money on, please let me know (see current mods below). I will probably upgrade turbo and fuel system later, so I figured get a nice FMIC now….then do all the other mods at a later time. I just sold my second car, got a job promotion (hump) (Mechanical Engineer, Ohio), and cannot stand leaving my car alone.

P.S. – This might mean I would be selling my www.turbohoses.com polished hardpipe kit soon.

[nate0123]

oh what a problem to have :(

[chillinmcmillan]

yes buy a FMIC and give me your turbohoses hardpipes.......please

[GHOSTWHISPER]

if you are having difficulties spending the money you can give it to me.

[CasopoliS]

yes buy a FMIC and give me your turbohoses hardpipes.......please

Not answers I was looking for. Don't tell me things just becuase you want my hardpipes. I want advice! The hardpipes will be for sale to all of you IF I decide to get an FMIC. Keep your eye out for them.....but it will be a while before I get my FMIC installed anyway.

[CasopoliS]

Ok enough about my money. I should not have said anything.

[warrier04]

i say you spend the money you have now on some forged internals, and when you get some funds after that, get the turbohoses smic.

or

sell the turbohoses
get forged internals
rebuild funds and get fmic

i think the internals are more important. boosting on stock internals is bad joo joo.

drew.

[CasopoliS]

Rudy at Pann answered a question I had about their intercooler...

"It is a custom made PWR intercooler and it is meant to run the stock bypass valve."

What is PWR intercooler, and what is the difference? As you can tell I am slowly learning everything about engines and turbos. I have always done bolt-on mods and I am ready to move on now that I have a decent car. What changes are made with forged internals? How much would something like this cost at a shop....and what does the labor involve? In what areas does this change performance? Thanks for the answers. I think I have a good understanding on everything else.

[warrier04]

forged internals is more a precautionary mod rather than an 'add hp' mod. it makes sure that you don't become one of the many that blew their stock block bc they were boostin on stock internals.

drew.

[AZMSP84]

Buy another engine, you will need it. We all did, sorry had to say it.

[warrier04]

Buy another engine, you will need it. We all did, sorry had to say it.

^^^

now a 'forged internals are good' person.

you will spend much more money getting back to where you were if you keep your stock internals and blow you motor.

spend the money on something worthwhile now, get the forged internals, and then when you revive the funds get the fmic and boost away with little to no worry.

drew.

[CasopoliS]

I do not want to race my car or make it too incredibly fast. I drive it daily! What boost can be run on the stock internals? I just want to make it a bit quicker. I want to do a bit to the engine, a bit to the sound system, and in the end, have an all-around great car that looks nice and is quick. I already have the exterior looking great (see mods), and just wanted to upgrade a bit to the engine. Right now I do not want to do forged internals or new engine. Thanks for your input guys.

[warrier04]

the only safe boost to run is stock boost. not saying that the day you turn up from stock your car will explode, but once the boost is up, the clock counts down (to boom). maybe you just concentrate on the fmic but take off the mbc. or you could just start some funds now so when your daily driver drops dead you were waiting for it and can get it back up and running in minimal time (about 0-2 months).

drew.

[muohio]

A SMIC will be just right for what you are trying to accomplish. A FMIC, may not provide the same level of performance at stock boost like a SMIC. If you up the boost, you will need engine management especially in Toledo where fuel cut will happen often. If you go that route, then forged rods would be a good move as well where pistons themselves might not be necessary.

[TX Speed Demon]

I do not want to race my car or make it too incredibly fast. I drive it daily! I just want to make it a bit quicker.

If this is all you want, I'd get an FMIC. It makes your car run like the first 10 minutes of your morning drive. A noticable differance, no heatsoak anymore and no adjustment to boost levels.

A SMIC will be just right for what you are trying to accomplish.

This may be a good option too, but at around $500 just for the SMIC, my preferance is to save the extra $350 (less if you sell your hardpipes) and get an FMIC. You probably won't ever need to replace a FMIC, but if you get a SMIC and say 3 years down the road you want to turn your MSP from a daily driver to a fully built hi-boost car, you will want to upgrade to the FMIC then. Besides the FMIC looks so much more bad ass than a SMIC.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I run 13.40's with the stock intake, stock turbo, stock intercooler, stock engine, stock pipes, etc. Have over 300 quarter mile passes on it....how fast do you want to go? Buying performance parts doesn't always mean there gonna work good on your car.

[NeverSober]

Get the wagner FMIC! Thats what Im going with.


Chris

[mspeed101]

Get the wagner FMIC! Thats what Im going with.


ChrisI wouldnt get that kit if I were you. Do a search on that kit and you will see all the problems with it.

[NeverSober]

Ive heard of no problems with it. Please elaborate.


Chris

[CasopoliS]

I just got quotes on both Pannauto and HiBoost kits for just short of $900 including shipping. Hmmm......

Pannauto - powdercoat black - nice 24 x 6 x 3 IC - little cutting, nothing major - PWR type intercooler <----what is this, brand name ???

HiBoost - comes with HKS valve - 22 x 6.5 x 2 IC (I think) - fitment

anyone know what this valve sounds like? Loud turkey? Thanks.

For $900 I want the best I can get....decisions decisions....(shrug)

[muohio]

The Pannauto has more volume and probably more mass which makes it cool better (286ci vs 432ci). On the flip side, more volume means it takes longer to build boost.

[CasopoliS]

You can see my tough decision....
I am talking with Chris about the HiBoost, and getting my valve options. I would like a BOV setup on this kit if possible. Not a fan of the turkey. We will see. I take forever to make decisions when it comes to big things like this. I might start a poll.