SMIC installed

[jersey_emt]

CustomMSP and I put on his prototype SMIC on my car tonight.

Install went smooth, only tricky part was getting the fan out of the way.

This IC is thicker, wider, and flows much better than the stock IC.

The difference was immediately noticeable. More power, as well as smoother acceleration. Hesitation is greatly reduced. Can't wait to put it on the dyno (yes, we have to put the stock IC back on to get a baseline. But honestly, it's a 10-15 minute job if you know what you're doing. 20-30 if you don't).

Also, I had no heatsoak during the 45 minute drive home, where I pushed the car hard the entire way. In fact, I went on a rampage, beating a stock S2000 from 0-65, a stock 350z roadster from 35-70, and the usual raping of random ricers.

[pdhaudio83]

eew, raping.

nice kills :D

[mp3moose]

Sweetness....did you beat them on stock boost?

[FSDET]

he boost 8 stock

[spacemonkey]

hmmm odd...why would hesitation be reduced? wouldnt a smic make the a/f a bit richer?

SMIC is probally the best mod for our cars...perfect with minimal pressure drop.

[jersey_emt]

he boost 8 stock

Yup I was at 8psi (no boost controller, this is my stock boost level)

Total mods:

Injen CAI
Spool hardpipes
CustomMSP's SMIC

[jersey_emt]

hmmm odd...why would hesitation be reduced? wouldnt a smic make the a/f a bit richer?

SMIC is probally the best mod for our cars...perfect with minimal pressure drop.


ECU will adjust the A/F ratio to be where it's supposed to be (which isn't where it's 'supposed' to be of course). Colder air is denser, if anything it would run slightly leaner.

[Bass Addict]

Newb question...whats heatsoak?

[jersey_emt]

Heatsoak is when the tiny stock IC gets 'soaked with heat' and loses efficiency. The hot air from the turbo is too much for the itty-bitty IC, and it can't cool effectively. This is why the car runs great when you first warm it up, but beat on it for a little bit and it seems to slow down.

[mspdfreak]

Ahh, I can't wait for winter!!

[jersey_emt]

Ahh, I can't wait for winter!!

Doesn't matter to me anymore ;)

[CustomMSP]

Wow...you really were on a mission tonight! Glad to see the IC is working.

[jersey_emt]

Wow...you really were on a mission tonight! Glad to see the IC is working.

LOL yeah I decided to take the way home with the most number of traffic lights.....just to be an asshole lol

[CustomMSP]

LOL yeah I decided to take the way home with the most number of traffic lights.....just to be an asshole lol
Rockin'(headbang)

[BlkZoomZoom]

how come no one ever wants to throw parts my way?? I'm still running the friggin stock intake for goodness sake....I hate being slow...

[t3ase]

how come no one ever wants to throw parts my way?? I'm still running the friggin stock intake for goodness sake....I hate being slow...
(evil)

[ARunto]

got pics of your setup?

[MazdaNeal]

I thought you had the downpipe also?

[protegeV]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)

[CustomMSP]

how come no one ever wants to throw parts my way?? I'm still running the friggin stock intake for goodness sake....I hate being slow... Getting a little cocky lately aren't you (stfu) :)

[Rich24km]

i think this will be my next mod along with full exhaust

[FSDET]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)
why how much does urs boost hahaha

[speedhawaii]

comn on now u know he isnt turbo'ed yet ;) right protegeV

[jflo]

itty bitty titty committee.

fuggin' bastard...wish i could afford a freakin' new SMIC. i'm going to UCR this fall, and it still gets pretty hot. this would be useful. pipes, corksport exhaust, and an intake wouldn't hurt either. shieeeeeeeet.

[EvilMSP]

Sounds very cool. I used to always want a FMIC but if all these SMIC kits work out well I might look in their direction instead.

[jersey_emt]

I thought you had the downpipe also?

I did but I was forced to sell it to pay for my car insurance bill. I plan on getting a custom 2.5" turboback in the spring.

[jersey_emt]

got pics of your setup?

Gonna try to take some pics today.

[jersey_emt]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)

(dunno) ;)

[t3ase]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)
ITZ CUZZ THEY BE HAVN LYK TYTANIUM CHROTCHESZ N SHIZZIT

[jersey_emt]

The drive to work was good. Again, no heatsoak. Of course the real test is going to be driving home from work when it's warmer out.

[warrier04]

can't wait to hear the 'drive home' results.

also, you taking pics today?

drew.

[chillinmcmillan]

damn a side mount sounds perfect but I want a FMIC sooooooooooo bad!

[BlkZoomZoom]

custommsp- wasn't being cocky.....was hopin you'd want to test your smic on a real set-up.

[jersey_emt]

custommsp- wasn't being cocky.....was hopin you'd want to test your smic on a real set-up.
(huh)

Excuse me?

[jersey_emt]

Anyways the drive home was good. It wasn't hot, but it was much warmer than it was last night @ 10pm. Still barely any heatsoak noticeable, as opposed to the stock IC which began slowing the car down after 10-15 minutes of medium - hard driving.

Good stuff:
Boost has increased to just under 9psi (from 8psi).
Acceleration is smoother.
No heatsoak
Noticeable gain on the butt-dyno.

No bad stuff noticed as of yet.

[BlkZoomZoom]

lol.....that was me being sarcastic.....get it? no...well I'll stop now.

[jersey_emt]

LOL sorry dude!

Sarcasm + internet = teh suck

[CustomMSP]

You should wrap your pipes and the IC will work much better.

[EvilMSP]

LOL sorry dude!

Sarcasm + internet = teh suck
(mswerd)

[CustomMSP]

Pictures? :)

[jersey_emt]

(pics)

Pics will be up soon. DAMN YOU RAIN

[Quik89Si]

You should wrap your pipes and the IC will work much better.

Are you referring to wrapping stock pipes as well, or does this theory only really apply to hardpipes? Interested in pics of the smic too, since it sounds like the results were awesome...

Alex

[Rich24km]

you can wrap both. Man i noticed with my hardpipes sometimes they're cool to the touch after a long drive, and sometimes they'll burn you. Even the CAI will get hot sometimes, but others its not. I drive the same most the time. I'm going to wrap mine and save for this IC.

[noclue119]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)Because we have hand built cars... the variation is much greater than machine built cars.

[slug420]

how come no one ever wants to throw parts my way?? I'm still running the friggin stock intake for goodness sake....I hate being slow...
lol

[Yay-Boost]

Why would the boost pressure go up? I know it flows better but the wastegate should be releasing pressure at the same PSI. The turbo should be working less to get the same PSI.

[jersey_emt]

I've been thinking the same thing. I honestly don't know why pressure was increased, I'm just reporting my findings. It was 8psi before, now it's like 8.7-8.9psi (just below the 9psi park on the gauge).

The wastegate boost/vac line is not kinked.

[Yay-Boost]

Does it hold 9 psi or is it spiking to that? Almost 9 psi without a boost control you won the MSP lotto. Are you worried about fuel cut during the winter. I would think it is going to be a PIA especially if you can't turn it down. Nothing a Joep FCD woulnd't fix though.

[jersey_emt]

It holds just below 9psi. No spiking! At redline it's down to about 8.2-8.4

[FSDET]

im sure itll hold 9 with a midpipe

[jersey_emt]

I'm actually hoping for 10 with the 2.5" turboback i plan on getting in the spring.

[jeffmsp]

with no boost controller or water injection I am running 8 psi with all my mods, 9 with no exhaust is good times (drive) (2thumbs)

[jersey_emt]

My car held 8psi, falling to between 7 and 7.5 at redline, when 100% stock :)

[CustomMSP]

My car held 8psi, falling to between 7 and 7.5 at redline, when 100% stock :)
I was holding 6psi stock.

So how about those pics? It's beautiful outside :)

[noclue119]

My car held 8psi, falling to between 7 and 7.5 at redline, when 100% stock :)

man u been saying pics are coming... where are they...
j/k

would love to see the pics

[low_psi]

boost pressure increased because the stock system eats some pressure. its not being created, just freed up. now the intake manifold is seeing almost the same air pressure the turbo outlet releases.

[warrier04]

now where'd those pics go ... (uhm)

[CustomMSP]

Jersey's been quite lately...hope everything is alright?

[PaulMP3]

i wanna see some pics.

[CustomMSP]

i wanna see some pics.hey what's up Paul?

You can view some pics of the IC here http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69728

[EvilMSP]

In that picture it looks like you are adding a SMIC to the origional FMIC setup :)

[CustomMSP]

In that picture it looks like you are adding a SMIC to the origional FMIC setup :)
That would be interesting to see...but the pressure drop will be to large.

[jersey_emt]

Sorry for no updates. I've been staying late at work every night...until like 9 or 10....stuff needs to be done.

I brought my camera to work today to take pics on my lunch break. But the battery's dead :( Gonna charge it tonight and take pics tomorrow (I'm pulling another late night at work)

[CustomMSP]

Sorry for no updates. I've been staying late at work every night...until like 9 or 10....stuff needs to be done.

I brought my camera to work today to take pics on my lunch break. But the battery's dead :( Gonna charge it tonight and take pics tomorrow (I'm pulling another late night at work)
Understood

[pb4ugoout]

bump for updates!

[yashooa]

I still cant figure out why "stock boost" on MSPs ranges from 4-8psi(uhm)Because the 5 dollar an hour day laborers didn't do a very good job slapping the turbo kits on. Mine went from 5 to 16PSI after they replaced my turbo hoses LOL.

[yashooa]

Sorry for no updates. I've been staying late at work every night...until like 9 or 10....stuff needs to be done.

I brought my camera to work today to take pics on my lunch break. But the battery's dead :( Gonna charge it tonight and take pics tomorrow (I'm pulling another late night at work)That is no excuse frogman! Don't make the pig rip your flippers off. BITCH!! (stoned)


Now get with the price, some more pics, and some NUMBAS!!! (wedge)


Oh, all the info is in the other thread doh!(dance) (burnout) (dance)

[CustomMSP]

Damn right it is! :)

[CustomMSP]

Ok...I'll be taking over the testing tonight. I'll take pics as soon as possible.

thanks

[spicynamja]

Cant wait for results... ^_^

[ssupra96]

if u go to jspec.com/mazda.html they have picks of the smic

[spicynamja]

The SMIC in this thread is NOT the circut sports. Thanks for the link though.

[protegeV]

damn, so long for pics...

[Msp_guy]

(pics)

[jeffmsp]

two pages of people asking for pics lol

[jersey_emt]

Pics?

[jersey_emt]

Nah there would have been pics up already but I can't find my compactflash card for my camera.

[yashooa]

Nah there would have been pics up already but I can't find my compactflash card for my camera.OMG Don't make me come up there and whoop some frog ass!
Can't find your flash card? Froggy please...(gun)

[CustomMSP]

Today guys today :)

[jersey_emt]

OMG Don't make me come up there and whoop some frog ass!
Can't find your flash card? Froggy please...(gun)

Seriously and I'm pissed. It was a 1GB card

[protegeV]

y isnt it IN the camera?(lol2)

[jersey_emt]

Gotta take it out to transfer files to the computer

[protegeV]

really? you dont just put a cable into the camera from the computer?

[jersey_emt]

really? you dont just put a cable into the camera from the computer?

You try transferring 1GB of files over a slow USB 1.1 connection. I bought a high-speed USB 2.0 memory card reader.

[EvilMSP]

Stop stressing out about the pictures and leave the frog man alone. That's freakin Kermit, Better Recongnize Ble-ach! (spank)

[CustomMSP]

Here are the pics.

And what I have to say about the IC is:

1. Installating is pretty simple, even with me having to remove my FMIC setup.
2. Everything fits good.
3. Car holds 7psi all the way to rev limiter. Stock was 6psi max and dropped off to 5psi by redline
3. More low-end torque because the turbo spools very early and very fast
4. IC did not heatsoak at all when I went for a 40 minute hard drive, and I still have my front mounted IC on the car blocking most of the air flow to the SMIC.
5. Car pulls very smooth all the way to redline. I'm not able to compare the power level between this and the FMIC because I took out my boost controller when I put in the SMIC so the car doesn't cut. Will confirm HP this saturday on a dyno.
6. I can't stand the turkey! :)

Fire away with questions!

[warrier04]

my ... precious ...

[CustomMSP]

my ... precious ...
LOL You'll have it soon enough

[protegeV]

well it looks good, thats for sure :D

[pb4ugoout]

wondering if we can get a list started or something...at least a preliminary thing. i'm usually the last to get in on stuff and end up waiting forever. i have the money for this thing ready to go and want to get one as soon as it becomes available . so i'm gonna start a list and someone in charge can make a decision as to whether my list means a damn thing.

so if you are serious and want to make a purchase when the time comes....you know what to do

1) pb4ugoout

[CustomMSP]

wondering if we can get a list started or something...at least a preliminary thing. i'm usually the last to get in on stuff and end up waiting forever. i have the money for this thing ready to go and want to get one as soon as it becomes available . so i'm gonna start a list and someone in charge can make a decision as to whether my list means a damn thing.

so if you are serious and want to make a purchase when the time comes....you know what to do

1) pb4ugoout Good Idea. Thanks.

I have some more pics for you all.

I decided to test it out at 9psi and it's pretty fast! It spikes to 10 and falls to 9psi by redline probably because of the stock pipes that leak at higher boost.

[CustomMSP]

Dyno completed!

Please take a look at the graphs and be amazed!

The aftermarket IC was the first to get dynoed right after the 1.5 hour drive there. The last two runs were done with the cold stock IC after a 20 or so minute brake while I was switching the ICs out. The pressure drop is unbelievable with the stock IC at 9psi towards the redline as you can see in the graphs. The runs were done at 9psi. I did a run in 3rd and 4th gear for each IC. Take a look at the a/f reading as well. With stock ic the a/f reading stays off the charts rich...that could be because the ecu might need some time to learn though.

[Mark-MsP]

Dyno completed!

Please take a look at the graphs and be amazed!

The aftermarket IC was the first to get dynoed right after the 1.5 hour drive there. The last two runs were done with the cold stock IC after a 20 or so minute brake while I was switching the ICs out. The pressure drop is unbelievable with the stock IC at 9psi towards the redline as you can see in the graphs. The runs were done at 9psi. I did a run in 3rd and 4th gear for each IC. Take a look at the a/f reading as well. With stock ic the a/f reading stays off the charts rich...that could be because the ecu might need some time to learn though.
Those are some incredible gains. Nice work yall.

[TampaBlackMSP]

I prolly missed something - what's the scoop? In production yet? Cost? I think I may go this route myself mainly because of ease of install, and hopefully bang for the buck (depending on cost)...more info, or keep us posted....

[EnjoyMinuteMaid]

I don't konw if anyone else has noticed, but Apex has made one i think, go to the apexr1 website and look under mazdaspeed performance...priced around $550 i think, looks similar to the turbohoses model...anyways, just wondering about this as an alternative, especially if its already available for individual order (which i'm not positive it is) (dance)

[pb4ugoout]

awesome gains...once again, i'm ready to purchase whenever you guys are ready to put it into production...i'll post "the list" again even tho i'm the only one on it, just let me know when stuff starts happening


1)pb4ugoout

[terbow]

im definately interested.

[jurgs01]

I am waiting for the Turbohoses SMIC, but if for some reason it doensn't come out I will have to compare this, the Circuit Sports, and the Apex one on their website (on apexr1.com under mazda protege performance parts). I am definately going the SMIC route.

[CustomMSP]

I prolly missed something - what's the scoop? In production yet? Cost? I think I may go this route myself mainly because of ease of install, and hopefully bang for the buck (depending on cost)...more info, or keep us posted....
Check out my pre-order thread (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84443).

Thanks.

[mazdaspeedpower]

So, would someone like to inform the newbs(and me ;)) which is better, SMIC or FMIC, and why, and which is more practical for an everyday street car. Also, I realize that the SMIC is a much easier install, but would it be able to maintain a good performance if running 12psi constant? And I'm assuming it's fine at 9psi, but if running 9psi, is there any danger of hitting the dreaded fuel cut? Thanks...if there is a thread somewhere already with such information, driect me to the link.

[jurgs01]

So, would someone like to inform the newbs(and me ;)) which is better, SMIC or FMIC, and why, and which is more practical for an everyday street car. Also, I realize that the SMIC is a much easier install, but would it be able to maintain a good performance if running 12psi constant? And I'm assuming it's fine at 9psi, but if running 9psi, is there any danger of hitting the dreaded fuel cut? Thanks...if there is a thread somewhere already with such information, driect me to the link.
SMIC is good up to about 15+ psi (depending on the SMIC). I really think that a FMIC is more for the prestige of having an big fancy IC that everyone can see on our cars, but that's just opinion. Unless you are upgrading to Hiboost's GT30R conversion, then this will be just fine for our stock turbo or a GT28RS. The main worry by a lot of people is the IC not getting enough air to cool it because of it's location, but you will be fine unless you are drag racing (which could easily be cured by a DIY CO2 sprayer to maximize cooling). My plan does not include a FMIC for the car, and I am hoping for some pretty big HP numbers in the next year.

[Rich24km]

1) pb4ugoout
2)rich24km

I pmed you

[CustomMSP]

Looks like all 4 have been spoken for!

Thank You all.

If you have any questions please post in here: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84443

Or you may PM me.