Delsing Klunk Fix Brackets!

[Micaspeed!]

Hello,

Well, the first wave of brackets are done (10 sets), awaiting only painting. The brackets will be sold without bushings, but will recommend manufactures, part numbers and grease types which work the best.

PING did extensive bushing testing and recommends the grease fitting type. I will be getting detailed info from him to forward to all customers for bushing purchase.

Remember, this not only eliminates the Klunk, but increases the bars effectiveness. For pics, check out the link below.

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?t=52760

This morning I have e-mailed ANTOINE to register for Authorized Vender status, and am awaiting his reply.

Cost will be $165.00 for the brackets and all hardware, less the bushings. Kit is upgradeable to the big race type three piece hollow bar. Aluminum spacers are anodized gold, main mount bolts and washers are nickle plated.

Stayed tuned for order info soon. Thanks for all the support and patience with my "life delays". You will not be disapointed.

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

[jurgs01]

As soon as you get Vendor status:

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Have you tested these out? Can you tell a big difference? Also, What are the actual brackets made of? It says on the last thread they will be nickle plated but never says what material they are.

[Ryoga28]

Add me too!

[Glowmunkey]

What the hell. Let's do this.

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If I like them, I'll want a second set, for my Dad's Speed. You'll be doing more than this first run, right?

[ARunto]

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[FrozenMazda]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
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4. ARunto
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[Mallard]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
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[terbow]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
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[low_psi]

looks good!! list will be full by tonight!

[terbow]

whats the race upgrade? i dont think its for me personally but i was just curious of the differences. thanks.

[spicynamja]

Holy crap! A clunk FIX!??!

[terbow]

Yes And Only 3 Spots Left For This Run. Get In On It Wooooooooooo

[DSM2MSP]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
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Although Im sure this list will be worthless once he gets vendor status, haha.

[terbow]

i hope not lol i want in but im sure your right lol

[chrisjw85]

People are still having clunk problems? The last set of bushings I got fixed it that was almost a year ago.

[FrozenMazda]

Although Im sure this list will be worthless once he gets vendor status, haha.
I hope not. Though this has been the third or so list I've signed up for.

[thunder]

I've been patiently waiting for those since last Feb. If I dont get 'em I'll nuke something for sure!! Besides, I can't even get the bushings from Mazda since they're BO since... March! :(

[terbow]

i think since we sat here and took the effort to put our names on it the list should be used !

[Speedplease]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. speedplease

[jrodhotrod]

I am in just like I said I was in on all the other lists.

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10.jrodhotrod

[Speedplease]

yep i got the last spot please PM me with all the info i need to order them.

[Speedplease]

sorry jrodhotrod i type faster! jk lol maybe somebody will back out.

[jrodhotrod]

damn it :p

Maybe we should go back and use the lists in the old threads ;) I am on every one of those in the first 10 :p

[Speedplease]

you know somebody will back out so I have no worries. well both get them

[jrodhotrod]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. speedplease
10b. jrodhotrod (check the times yo... he he)

[FrozenMazda]

damn it :p

Maybe we should go back and use the lists in the old threads ;) I am on every one of those in the first 10 :p
Oh well. There will probably be another list once Dave gets vendor status so you may be in luck.

And I thought Dave had parts for an initial run of 25? These may be the first half that have been finished being anodized and plated.(shrug)

[thunder]

This time no one can say the demand isn't there!

[terbow]

i know what us 11 will be doin all night..... wheres the list? wheres the list? is it there...how about now? now?!?! now? how bout now? lol

[I'm Allen]

Well, put me down for the next batch or the next available slot for this list.

Allen-

P.S. I have cash right now!!!

[terbow]

im ready to pay too. woot.

[Micaspeed!]

Wow guys, thanks,

I do have enough for 25 sets and will procede with the other 15 sets. This has really been a challenge to complete but the time is here. I thank God for helping me through all the medical problems and stuff. Think He wanted everyone to have the brackets also!

For those of you who are not familiar with the design, it has over a year of testing both on and off the track with great success.

We have PING to thank for the bushing and bracket testing. Below is what he sent me this morning concerniong the bushings.

Here's what I had - 13/16" Energy Suspension black zerked bushings. I don't have the p/n on them but I have the reds I also tested, the p/n was 9.5157R so I'd guess the blacks at 9.5157B (?). Total name is "Energy Suspensions, Performance Polyurethane Components, 9.5157R (or "B") Greasable Sway Bar Bushing Set: 13/16.
They're a stock item from Summit, come with nice gold color (cad plated I guess) brackets that are slotted at the connection points (for adjustability - though this is a mixed blessing - folks will have to install the bar even on each side or it preloads the suspension). The bushings and brackets also come with 4 cad plated washers.

I did notice that the bushings do develop a typical urethane "creak" after a while (about 9k on the bushings now, developed the creak after maybe 6-7k). Two pumps with the grease gun and all's fine again so that may be the routine at the oil changes - can hit the bushings while the car's on the ground even with my dinky grease gun. The creak is nowhere NEAR as obnoxious as the dreaded "Klunk" was.

Billet end links really help and are adjustable for preload. The Delsing end links are very beefy, will have pricing soon.

Wait till ya'll see our very original intake! Will post pics of the prototypt tomorrow evening.

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/)

[SOSPEED]

will this just be a limited production or will we be able to get this after the group buys.

[Autox MSP]

Not to bust on your part but whats the advantage when Perrin rear swaybar and the AWR 21.5 swaybars with bushings included is only 35bux more then your brackes minus the bushings????

I think most people here would gladly pay the 35more dollars and get a more performance orianted rear sway.

[jurgs01]

Not to bust on your part but whats the advantage when Perrin rear swaybar and the AWR 21.5 swaybars with bushings included is only 35bux more then your brackes minus the bushings????

I think most people here would gladly pay the 35more dollars and get a more performance orianted rear sway.
These brackets relocate the bushings. I think they could be used with a Perrin or AWR sway bar. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Murray]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. speedplease
10b. jrodhotrod (check the times yo... he he)
11. Murray

I'm sending payment right now. I guess I missed the first batch by a few hours but I'll take a set from the second since you said you'll be doing those after all. I'm hella excited about getting them at all, though.

(dance)

[jurgs01]

Where are you sending payments to? I don't think the buy has started yet.

[Autox MSP]

yeh but the perrin swaybar and the awr is klunkless and already comes with the brackets.

[jrodhotrod]

Where are you sending payments to? I don't think the buy has started yet.
yeah, what he said... I am ready to pay.

[terbow]

Im ready too lol

the awr is 348.00 not 35 bucks more. the perrin is as you said.

[Autox MSP]

http://www.awrracing.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=12_2_21_28&products_id=46

its still 212bux, you can get it for less then at at other places other then straight from awr. the 350bux one is with the new control arms.

[terbow]

hmm well point taken. wahts the dif then? mine as well get a sway bar with it no?

[Autox MSP]

The brackets seem like a good deal if the price was under 60bux but anything above that there are better options. I know creating those brakets don't cost 100+ dollars.

[jurgs01]

I'll have to check out the AWR kit, but I believe the Perrin is just the sway bar that mounts as the stock one does. Just a better bar than the Racing Beat one. I am going to look into all three, and then come up with my best alternative. The Perrin bar and Delsing brackets would run about as much as the AWR kit.

[terbow]

keep me informed! thanks.

[FBI14]

Would the bushings need to be replaced after a while

[yashooa]

Damn, How did I miss this? I want a set of brackets!

[jurgs01]

Perrins swaybar is klunkless, didnt it just get released
Both Perrin's and the AWR swaybar mount with the bushings in the stock position. The reason they are clunkless is because they come with good quality bushings. The clunk is strictly a problem of the bushings wearing out. Delsing's kit should improve any of these kit's performance. AWR's kit comes with endlinks, but the bushings are in the stock mounting location. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken I am not a suspension guru.

[SP33D]

so what would be the best setup? delsing brackets with perrin sway bar?

[DSM2MSP]

Just subscribing :P

[FSDET]

subs

[jurgs01]

so what would be the best setup? delsing brackets with perrin sway bar?
I'll leave that question to people who know more about the products...

[Kooldino]

Sweet, this is great news.

Micaspeed - any word on your endlinks? Will they be stock replacements?

[Micaspeed!]

Yes,

End links are completed. Pricing will be finalized this week, waiting for rod end quantity pricing. They will be complete with billet anodized spacers and hardware.

It is important to let me know if you are running stock ride height, you will need the shorter length. If you are running coilovers or lowered springs, you need the longer length. We do this to maintain proper bar arm relation, if you lower the car without lengthing the end link, the bar will actually loose some of it's effectiveness due to excessive angle.

These end links really do make a difference you can feel.
I am running our hollow one inch diameter splined end, three piece race bar. With a bit of negative camber up front, and an agressive alignment, the stock springs and shocks work quite well.

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

[Ryoga28]

I'm selling my soul to buy this kit ... (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2269754278 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2269754278))

[Heathen23]

I'm in. 1 set por favor. Just let us know when you are ready to take payments (eekdance)

[SOSPEED]

will this just be a limited production or will we be able to get this after the group buys

[MikeyG_U2]

I would like to be notified when the next set of brackets and the end links become available.

[Micaspeed!]

HEY,

First off, Antoine has been trying to get me the AV info, but we have not connected yet, he is re-trying.

Second, the end links with spacers, hardware and all ,are 75.00 for the stock suspension length and 85.00 for the longer length for lowered cars.

I am taking orders through Paypal, Money Order, and certified checks. E-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for order details. Paypal is quickest, but there is an additional $6.00 charge incured. Shipping/handling runs $11.00-$16.00. The first ten sets are ready to send, (end links available also),will be about a month or a bit more for the other 15 sets to be available.

As it stands now, after the initial run of 25 sets is are sold, there will be a good chance I will not be able to do another run of them. Will have to re-evaluate and see what the demand is. There is a very, very small return here on these selling them at what I am. So you can understand the need to e-evaluate.

Well, all of us along the Gulf coast are awaiting Ivan the hurricane, so I might be out of touch for a day or so if things nasty. It is in God's hands!

Thanks again!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/)

[Heathen23]

HEY,

First off, Antoine has been trying to get me the AV info, but we have not connected yet, he is re-trying.

Second, the end links with spacers, hardware and all ,are 75.00 for the stock suspension length and 85.00 for the longer length for lowered cars.

I am taking orders through Paypal, Money Order, and certified checks. E-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for order details. Paypal is quickest, but there is an additional $6.00 charge incured. The first ten sets are ready to send, (end links available also),will be about a month or a bit more for the other 15 sets to be available.

As it stands now, after the initial run of 25 sets is are sold, there will be a good chance I will not be able to do another run of them. Will have to re-evaluate and see what the demand is. There is a very, very small return here on these selling them at what I am. So you can understand the need to e-evaluate.

Well, all of us along the Gulf coast are awaiting Ivan the hurricane, so I might be out of touch for a day or so if things nasty. It is in God's hands!

Thanks again!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

That's good except the part about maybe not making more for fear of it being a lossed financial cause. There is nothing wrong with charging more to make it worth your time. You own the klunk fix market so make due and make more please!

[DSM2MSP]

So for the bracket kit, it would be 165.00 and another 6.00 for service charge? 171.00 total for the kit paid by paypal?

Thanks!

[FBI14]

Both Perrin's and the AWR swaybar mount with the bushings in the stock position. The reason they are clunkless is because they come with good quality bushings. The clunk is strictly a problem of the bushings wearing out. Delsing's kit should improve any of these kit's performance. AWR's kit comes with endlinks, but the bushings are in the stock mounting location. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken I am not a suspension guru.
Im not saying your wrong but can any verify if the AWR sway bar (Or Perrin Dont know how) is clunkless after driving around with it for a while.

[yashooa]

Well IMO nothing looks to be built as substantially as these oh so SEXY brackets.

[Ryoga28]

Not sure if $171 is the right price for brackets paid via paypal...does it include shipping?

[jurgs01]

As soon as you put out the info you can consider the money paypaled (is that a word?) I still would like to know what material the brackets are made of.

[I'm Allen]

Email sent. Thanks.

Allen-

[Micaspeed!]

Hello,

Material is ASTM SA-36 carbon steel. Pieces are precision laser cut from cad model, TIG welded by certified welder and procedure. Laterial brace is cnc press broken. Aluminum anodized spacers are 6061 T6. Main mounting hardware is 10.9 grade, high strength/quality hex head cap screws, electroless nickel plated to avoid hydrogen embrittlement and provide utmost in corrosion protection. Fasteners for bushings (hex head cap screw) are high quality gr 8 fine thread, yellow zinc dichromate. Low head hex socket cap screw used to attach lateral brace to bracket is 18-8 stainless steel.

Guys and gals, this is high quality stuff!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/)











As soon as you put out the info you can consider the money paypaled (is that a word?) I still would like to know what material the brackets are made of.

[Ryoga28]

Has anyone found the black version of the enrgy suspension bushing?

[Kooldino]

That's good except the part about maybe not making more for fear of it being a lossed financial cause. There is nothing wrong with charging more to make it worth your time. You own the klunk fix market so make due and make more please!
Amen. I'd rather have an expensive solution than none at all.

[Ryoga28]

Just found out that the Black energy suspension bushing is 9.5157G

[Kooldino]

What's the difference between the red and the black?

[Ryoga28]

Kooldino: it's just the color of the bushing, nothing else.

[scott42]

Amen. I'd rather have an expensive solution than none at all.
I second/third that emotion!
This is a godsend, ironically coinciding with the end of my warranty. Very nice to see. And its also good to hear that Dave is doing well.

[scott42]

HEY,

First off, Antoine has been trying to get me the AV info, but we have not connected yet, he is re-trying.

Second, the end links with spacers, hardware and all ,are 75.00 for the stock suspension length and 85.00 for the longer length for lowered cars.

I am taking orders through Paypal, Money Order, and certified checks. E-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for order details. Paypal is quickest, but there is an additional $6.00 charge incured. Shipping/handling runs $11.00-$16.00. The first ten sets are ready to send, (end links available also),will be about a month or a bit more for the other 15 sets to be available.

As it stands now, after the initial run of 25 sets is are sold, there will be a good chance I will not be able to do another run of them. Will have to re-evaluate and see what the demand is. There is a very, very small return here on these selling them at what I am. So you can understand the need to e-evaluate.

Well, all of us along the Gulf coast are awaiting Ivan the hurricane, so I might be out of touch for a day or so if things nasty. It is in God's hands!

Thanks again!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)
I'm definetly in for a set if any of the remaining 15 are still available and will wait patiently (well not really patiently) for a next batch if they are all spoken for. Just wanted to contribute to the demand and motivation :).
I have money set aside in PayPal ready to go, for the brackets and endlinks. Thanks Dave!

[Kooldino]

Found the bushings on SUMMIT's site:
red:
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=emanufacturerSearch%2Easp&N=100

black:
http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=emanufacturerSearch%2Easp&N=100

$22.90 shipped for either.

[Ryoga28]

Yup I got the black bushing in last week. I really hate how summit racing charges $8 for handling and gives us "free" shipping.

[Kooldino]

Yup I got the black bushing in last week. I really hate how summit racing charges $8 for handling and gives us "free" shipping.
Yeah, I thought the $8 fee was a bit steep for such a small item.

[Bigg Tim]

I'm in for the next set available!!! Let us know when you will be selling them.

For the end links, how do you know how long to make them? Do you need to know how much of a drop there is first? What if They are adjustable coilovers, do you have adjustable end links?

[10lbsmocc]

I am in as well if there is any left or just to help guage interest in another set.

[wicked]

I'm not sure how this fixes the clunk.You used the same style braket as OE,but with a urethane bushing.

could we get more pics?maybe that would help.


by the way that looks like nice craftsmanship(I like when people put in effort to due it the best they can.)

[Kooldino]

I'm not sure how this fixes the clunk.You used the same style braket as OE,but with a urethane bushing.

could we get more pics?maybe that would help.


by the way that looks like nice craftsmanship(I like when people put in effort to due it the best they can.) They MOVE the bracket. Go read some old threads on it.


BTW - how exactly do we grease these things?

[Ryoga28]

Kooldino: The new brackets have grease ports, so you can just use a grease gun to grease it.

[Micaspeed!]

Hey!


All is well here, we have three sets of brackets remaining of the first run of actually 11 sets. They are going fast. Orders are shipping tomorrow.

As an earlier post says, e-mail for ordering details. Thanks for all the support.

Godspeed!
Dave

[I'm Allen]

Hey!


All is well here, we have three sets of brackets remaining of the first run of actually 11 sets. They are going fast. Orders are shipping tomorrow.

As an earlier post says, e-mail for ordering details. Thanks for all the support.

Godspeed!
Dave


I emailed but got no response. I really, really want one. I'll try emailing again.
Thanks.

Allen-

[I'm Allen]

Email sent. Thanks.

Allen-

[evolv]

subscribing

[I'm Allen]

Just ordered my set!!! Can't wait to get them and be clunk free. Thanks again Dave for making the product.

Allen-

[jrodhotrod]

Dave,

I have sent three emails and I haven't heard back, please I am desperate to order a set.

Thanks!

-Jared

[Ryoga28]

I think Dave is probably at his job right now. He usually replies around 6pm to 10pm EST.

[jrodhotrod]

I think Dave is probably at his job right now. He usually replies around 6pm to 10pm EST.
I realize that, but I sent him an email the same day he first posted ordering instructions and 2 subsequent ones and hadn't heard back so I am just wondering if they got lost along the way somewhere... shrug

[jurgs01]

Dave,

I have sent three emails and I haven't heard back, please I am desperate to order a set.

Thanks!

-Jared
Desperate to order a set? Damn, these are sounding like crack. Next think you'll hear is "I'll suck your... for a pair of dem brackets"

J/K:)

[Ryoga28]

DHL just dropped it off a few minutes ago. Here's a pic of it. Btw, it's very well packed (lots of care). I'll probably install it this friday, due to school.

[TheJohnny]

sent PM... & E-mail.... hoping for the best.. thanks.

[Murray]

Mine just came in as well ... not sure when I'll get to put them on though. Hopefully this weekend or next!

[StuttersC]

Cool, good to see these available.

To answer a previous question regarding the AWR bar. I have no "clunk" has the problem exsisted with the stock bar. I do have some noise every now and again becuase of the way the end-links sit in the adjustable bracket for the bar.

[Macs MSP]

Is this an upgrade from stock or is this an oem type replacement. I race autocross and don't want any issues with inspectors saying it's a modification.

What do you have available and how much?

Anyone autocross stock with this setup?

Thanks,
Mac

[ping]

Ping checking in... what I said above I stand by. The bushings are relocated with this bracket to the outside of the swaybar (near the bend) to give a "cleaner" pivot point to the bar (refer to the original "klunk" threads for an explanation, or think of holding a pen with the pocket clip bent out - if you hold the pen in the middle and try to rotate the pen using the pocket clip, it will both rotate and "bend" (pivot in the middle). If you hold the pen at the base of the pocket clip the pen will just rotate. That's what the bushing relocation does - move the bushings closer to the pivot point.

This fixes the "clunk" two ways: 1) New bushings that aren't ovalled out, and 2) no "bend" in the bar as it goes through the bushings, just rotation, which keeps 'em from wearing out again (or "as fast"). Nice thing is that the bushings are replacable with off-the-shelf parts for cheap and fast - a good combination.

I've had mine on almost a year and they're fine, mine were prototypes and didn't have the fancy plating or anything, just black and naked aluminum with cad-plated Energy Suspension zerked urethane bushings. I've greased 'em twice, once at 7k and again after a lo-ong wet drive as a preventative measure. No clunk yet, and they do give a noticably "better" performance - where there used to be a small "hitch" as one bent the car into a long tight sweeper, it's now a smooth transition to take a "set". The rear is a little stiffer but not obnoxiously so, and yes you definitely can lift a wheel on driveway aprons or autoX turns.

Auto X. Hmmm. Unless you have a non-observant inspector these are definitely not stock. Sorry. Dave races and can add detail or check his website or previous posts.

Hope this helps, here are a few pictures of mine. Yes, those are 03.5 wheels. No I don't have any more and am not selling mine. If you want the whole car, bring money and maybe we'll talk.

Note that some pics show a red non-zerked bushing, this was an original test piece and didn't work b/c it was ribbed inside, non-lubed, and squeaked like a mouse despite grease. The black and red zerked bushings worked about the same, the one I have the mileage on is the black. They're like $14 a set at Summit, JC Whitney, or your local speed shop - just get the right size as a 19mm is wa-ay too small (squee-eek).

Oh - lubing - you can give each zerk a shot of grease fron outside the car without jacking up, without lying down, and your pants can remain clean if you don't kneel.

[Murray]

Is this an upgrade from stock or is this an oem type replacement. I race autocross and don't want any issues with inspectors saying it's a modification. As Ping said, it doesn't even resemble stock. However, I think I remember reading a thread around here that suggested the possibility of installing these and leaving the stock equipment on as well - "augmenting" the factory hardware, which might let you stay "closer" to stock anyway. After seeing the kit, I can see how that would be possible. Of course I'm by no means an expert (or even semi-knowledgeable) on autocrossing, I'm just relaying something I read in here, so you should read up on it to make sure.

However, my solid engine mounts, intake, etc. throw me so far off stock anyway that I'm not going to bother playing that game (my E bushings are squeaking like mad).

[I'm Allen]

Can't wait to get mine in. Was told they should ship out by Thursday. When you guys put yours on, try to remember your "hang-up" spots and stopping points. Pictures would be great too if possible.

Allen-

[DSM2MSP]

Can't wait to get mine in. Was told they should ship out by Thursday. When you guys put yours on, try to remember your "hang-up" spots and stopping points. Pictures would be great too if possible.

Allen-


Im a little confused by this, what do you mean?

I should be putting mine on Friday.

[I'm Allen]

Im a little confused by this, what do you mean?

I should be putting mine on Friday.

What I meant was that if you run into any trouble during the install, I'd like to know where in the procedure so I will be ready for this. Also if you could take pictures during the install, that would be great. Thanks.

Allen-

[peepsalot]

I want a set, but I'm a little confused. The set comes with everything I need except the bushings? We have to order those seperately from summit racing?

And why do these sets look completely different?
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29830
http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29717
What do those bars with the ball joints on the end do(those are called endlinks?), they are not shown in the first pic. Do those come with the kit or not? Also, the chunk of aluminum is not in the second pic. And the large metal piece looks like a different shape between the two kits, but maybe that is just perspective. I'm so freaking confused.

How is the second set coming along, any estimates as to when they will be ready? Once I figure out what I am paying for I will most likely be in on the second set.

[Ryoga28]

Peepsalot: The endlinks are not part of the kit. Also I think the first pic had pretty much everything the second one has, except for that metal block. I really don't know what it's for.

[peepsalot]

Thanks ryoga

What about the bushings? They come with the kit or I have to order from summit?

[peepsalot]

Shall we start a list for who wants in on the second batch?

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[Ryoga28]

Peepsalot (love that username): You need to buy the bushings from summit. The price isn't that bad. As I recall, it was around $23 after handling.

For more pics refer to http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83659

[Focus]

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[C-Bass]

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[Micaspeed!]

Hey!

Well, as expected, we sold out of the first set of ten quite quickly. Our second batch is in the works as we speak. Good Lord willing, we will have about five sets in a week or so. Then another ten or so after. Then it will be time to reevaluate and see if we will produce more. Pricing will stay the same on the next sets untill they are exhausted.

I will be saving about three sets out of the 15 for the big bar guys.

Thanks for all your support!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/)

[FBI14]

Dave I could almost guarantee that there would be a great deal of demand for this kit even if the price had to go up to keep you producing them. Theres already another list going for the next 15

[scott42]

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[FBI14]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/atta...achmentid=29717 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=29717)Why does it look like theres rust and a chip out of the black coating on the left bracket

[Ryoga28]

FBI14: I noticed there were a few scratches on the brackets. It's not that big of a deal. I just used some touch up paint.

[Kooldino]

Installation post - please write any install notes here. I'm going to attempt mine again tomorrow night. The first time I couldn't get my endlinks off.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1262075#post1262075

[StuttersC]

Installation post - please write any install notes here. I'm going to attempt mine again tomorrow night. The first time I couldn't get my endlinks off.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1262075#post1262075
Stock ones? They can be a pain...

[StuttersC]

Hey!

Well, as expected, we sold out of the first set of ten quite quickly. Our second batch is in the works as we speak. Good Lord willing, we will have about five sets in a week or so. Then another ten or so after. Then it will be time to reevaluate and see if we will produce more. Pricing will stay the same on the next sets untill they are exhausted.

I will be saving about three sets out of the 15 for the big bar guys.

Thanks for all your support!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)
Congratulations!!

Do you happen to know if this part will work with the AWR bar?

Thanks...

[Micaspeed!]

Hey!

Thanks for the list, will let you know when I get some in hand.

Painting process has improved.

Sorry it will not work with the AWR bar.

Have had some interest on the big hollow bar like we race with, so will be putting pricing together on this soon.

Thanks for the encouragement Maranello !

Godspeed!
Dave

[thunder]

You should make a deal with Mazda and sub-contract the braket production cuz ALL MSP AND MP3 need replacement....

[DSM2MSP]

Well if they didnt want the racing beat fix why would they want this one? ;)

[ARunto]

man i must have been sleeping to miss the first batch....anyways i'm in on the second or third batch whenever they are done.

also are you selling the longer endlinks for cars that are lowered?

[terbow]

yea me too. i remember i was on the list, next time bam i missed it.

[jrodhotrod]

My brackets and the bushings from summit racing came today. All I can say is WOW, these pieces (I got the endlinks too) look really nice! Good work Dave! Now all I need to do is go out and buy a grease gun and some grease for lubricating the bushings.

[Kooldino]

They do appear to be some high quality H20.

[peepsalot]

H2O? water? I guess I'm not down with the lingo.

[I'm Allen]

Got my brackets and end links yesterday. They look sweet and of high quality! I just have to get off my ass and get the bushings now. I'm waiting on my FMIC and turbo-back exhaust from iON (already shipped) so I can install all the pieces at the same time and take off my rear motor mount.

[jurgs01]

Got my brackets and end links yesterday. They look sweet and of high quality! I just have to get off my ass and get the bushings now. I'm waiting on my FMIC and turbo-back exhaust from iON (already shipped) so I can install all the pieces at the same time and take off my rear motor mount.
Now that's a full weekend's worth of work. FMIC, Turbo-back exhaust, bracket/links and rear motor mount. Have fun. You'll be happy when it's done though.

[thunder]

The only problem is that you won't be able to evaluate each change separately... But I'm sure you'll have fun though! ;)

[Mallard]

H2O? water? I guess I'm not down with the lingo.
It's from the "Waterboy"

[peepsalot]

Damn, I should have known that. That movie is awesome, the quote just didn't connect for me. LOL.
Durrr, I got a wooden sppooon, durrr.

[Micaspeed!]

Ok, Just got back from the Grand Am race, a bit tired. But wanted to let everybody know I rec'd five more sets of brkts, they should be ready ship by the end of the week.

Again, e-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for ordering info. Truthfully, I go by the order I recieve payment. Thanks for all the interest and support!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

[Focus]

You got mail.

[scott42]

Ditto.

[Kooldino]

Awesome! I put mine in this weekend and am very happy with the results so far. :)

[scott42]

Paypal has been taking a dump all week; I'm placing an order asap...

[Focus]

Paypal has been taking a dump all week; I'm placing an order asap...
I had to refresh the screen almost 5 times for each page. Keep Trying.

[StuttersC]

Paypal has been taking a dump all week; I'm placing an order asap...
I heard on the radio the did an update and the whole PayPal system crashed. They are trying desperately to fix it...

[Mallard]

Anyone have the Summit part numbers for the bushings? The link earlier in the thread didn't work for me. (Sent me to a blank page)

[I'm Allen]

The bushings are Energy Suspension 9-5157R. The full name is "Energy Suspensions, Performance Polyurethane Components, 9-5157R Greasable Sway Bar Bushing Set: 13/16. I got mine from Jegs. Total (price and handling fee) was $22.98.

[Mallard]

Thanks!

[C-Bass]

e-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for ordering info.

You've got mail! :)

[Focus]

The bushings are Energy Suspension 9-5157R. The full name is "Energy Suspensions, Performance Polyurethane Components, 9-5157R Greasable Sway Bar Bushing Set: 13/16. I got mine from Jegs. Total (price and handling fee) was $22.98.
Do you have the exact Part # from Jegs. They have three different ones in 13/16.

B.T.W. Did you get your Exhaust yet ?

[Mallard]

Do you have the exact Part # from Jegs. They have three different ones in 13/16.

B.T.W. Did you get your Exhaust yet ?
355-9-5157R (Red)
355-9-5157G (Black)

I'm not sure what the third one you're seeing is.

At Summit it's ENS-9-5157R or G

[Focus]

Ok, Just got back from the Grand Am race, a bit tired. But wanted to let everybody know I rec'd five more sets of brkts, they should be ready ship by the end of the week.

Again, e-mail to delsingmtsp@aol.com for ordering info. Truthfully, I go by the order I recieve payment. Thanks for all the interest and support!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)
Mica, I have not heard a peep from you, I am trying to email you and PM you and no answer. According to your post they should have been shipped by the end of the week. Please get back to me on this as I am getting a little worried right now.

[yashooa]

Mica, I have not heard a peep from you, I am trying to email you and PM you and no answer. According to your post they should have been shipped by the end of the week. Please get back to me on this as I am getting a little worried right now.No need to worry he is good for what he sells :)
I haven't got mine yet either but I will in good time. These things are hand made with love you know like the PIllsbury dough boy with a welder. :P
I'm sure mine and yours will arrive. He did lose my address once but alas I did resend it and my bracketed deliciousness will arrive in due course.

[Murray]

Likewise, I can vouch for him and his products. It was a little slower than expected getting the parts to me, but only because he wanted to make sure everything was right before he sent anything. Believe me, the wait is WELL worth it. Those brackets had to be the best thing I've ever done for my car.

[thunder]

He told me yesterday that he was waiting for the end links which were late to arrive. But by mid-week (I guess tomorrow), he should start shipping. Let's hope they arrived :)

[thunder]

355-9-5157R (Red)
355-9-5157G (Black)


I have noticed that those bushings have a 20.5 mm diameter... would that matter much? On the othe hand, Energy Suspensions also makes a NON-GREASABLE type, the 9-5125, which is 21 mm. Wouldn't that be better? Is non-greasable better?

[mazdaspeedpower]

I'm not sure...but my dealer may have order this klunk fix for me...I'll find out when they call back late...I sure fuckin hope it is, as they were gonna do it under warrenty.." We're gonna order you a rear sway bar klunk fix" me"OK:D"

[biochembruin]

I'm not sure...but my dealer may have order this klunk fix for me...I'll find out when they call back late...I sure fuckin hope it is, as they were gonna do it under warrenty.." We're gonna order you a rear sway bar klunk fix" me"OK:D"
you sure it's not just the new bushings?

[Micaspeed!]

Thanks again for all the kind words. I am really really jammed at my full time job, we are finalizing some intense prototype components (non car related) and I am the lead engineer so time is at a premium for the next month or so. Thanks for your patience. I have all orders sent except those going to Canada and these will go out tomorrow. Yea and I had my supplier of rod ends backorder them on me , but they ended up showing and all is well.

Would like to also let everyone know I will be having the final sets fabed up within a couple of weeks.

Also, I do not always ck the pm's but I do my e-mails

Godspeed!
Dave

[FunkyBuddha]

I'm in on the next batch.

[Focus]

Thanks Dave, looking forward on receiveng them!!!



Thanks again for all the kind words. I am really really jammed at my full time job, we are finalizing some intense prototype components (non car related) and I am the lead engineer so time is at a premium for the next month or so. Thanks for your patience. I have all orders sent except those going to Canada and these will go out tomorrow. Yea and I had my supplier of rod ends backorder them on me , but they ended up showing and all is well.

Would like to also let everyone know I will be having the final sets fabed up within a couple of weeks.

Also, I do not always ck the pm's but I do my e-mails

Godspeed!
Dave

[FBI14]

Taking a spot for the next (whatevers Left) batch

[yashooa]

The brackets have landed. Dave is the shit!
You should see the quality of the instructions TOP NOTCH!
I can not stress enough what a wonderful service you are doing for all those who own an MP3 or MSP. My 3rd set of bushings are goin yet again and now that I am out of warranty these brackets will soon pay for themselves.
I do have the 75,000 mile extended warranty but that has a deductible so it is hardly worth going in for bushings when I can have the bar mounted the way the designers intended.

[ping]

Dealer didn't order this for you, only the "new" "e" bushings. Dealers woiuldn't order this - it's not OE.

Bushing should be the 20.5mm - and even that's actually a skosh big. I think 20mm is perfect, but hard to find. A 21 would be too large and the bar might clunk in it. My greasables are great, no clunk, but they sometimes get a little urethane squeak - easily fixable with the grease gun (as inticated in previous posts).

Hope this helps!

[FSDET]

can someone summarize this thread for me plz . dont feel like reading 154 LONG posts . is this thing still available ?

[Focus]

http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/mazda.htm


can someone summarize this thread for me plz . dont feel like reading 154 LONG posts . is this thing still available ?

[FlyinMSP]

Is the stock bar 20 or 21 mm?


Dealer didn't order this for you, only the "new" "e" bushings. Dealers woiuldn't order this - it's not OE.

Bushing should be the 20.5mm - and even that's actually a skosh big. I think 20mm is perfect, but hard to find. A 21 would be too large and the bar might clunk in it. My greasables are great, no clunk, but they sometimes get a little urethane squeak - easily fixable with the grease gun (as inticated in previous posts).

Hope this helps!

[StuttersC]

Is the stock bar 20 or 21 mm?
The stock rear bar on the MSP and MP3 is 20mm...

[FSDET]

http://www.delsingmotorsport.com/mazda.htmthanks for the link but is this clunk fix available till ?

[biochembruin]

thanks for the link but is this clunk fix available till ?
Last i heard (late last week) there were still some available. e-mail dave (micaspeed!) and/or pm him and ask. it might take a day or two for him to get back to you, but he will. ask him if some are available and how to pay-pal him. i just ordered mine last week, and he said they'll be shipped in about 3 weeks, so there may be hope for you yet.

[ping]

I believe he's making more too (read up in the thread). They work great...

[FlyinMSP]

Has any of the Canadian customers received their order yet? So far I've been waiting for 20 days....

[ARunto]

anymore of these available?

[Focus]

Has any of the Canadian customers received their order yet? So far I've been waiting for 20 days....
Still waiting on mine. I do have a shipment number though. Mine were only shipped last wednesday.

You may also want to read this:

http://www.canadapost.ca/business/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/default-e.asp?prid=1026

[FlyinMSP]

Thanx :) But I did recieved my bushings from Summit Racing. Took about 2 weeks and they were shipped by USPS as well...



Still waiting on mine. I do have a shipment number though. Mine were only shipped last wednesday.

You may also want to read this:

http://www.canadapost.ca/business/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/default-e.asp?prid=1026

[FBI14]

I sent Dave an email 3 weeks ago and nothing, are the brackets gone or what

[Micaspeed!]

Hey Maranello,

Do not remember recieving an e-mail or pm, try again delsingmtsp@aol.com

Godspeed!
Dave


I sent Dave an email 3 weeks ago and nothing, are the brackets gone or what

[FBI14]

Youve got mail

[FSDET]

Hey Maranello,

Do not remember recieving an e-mail or pm, try again delsingmtsp@aol.com

Godspeed!
Dave
i pmed u about the klunk fix too. wanted to know if its still available

[biochembruin]

any update?

[122 Vega]

I've been emailing him for 2 weeks, must be busy at work. Cash is collecting dust...

Britt

[moore0226]

yea same here emailed hima few times. just hope he has a few kits left.

[biochembruin]

yeah, i haven't e-mailed or anything cause he said it would take about 3 weeks. it's been about that long, and i was just wondering if there was an update on the status. thats all.

[Focus]

I have been trying to email as well.

[boostd5nva]

Add me too. in dire need.


1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. Boostd5nva

[evolv]

Added myself, just incase there are some out there.


1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. Boostd5nva
11. Evolv

[apocman]

1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. thunder
9. DSM2MSP
10. Boostd5nva
11. Evolv
12. ApocMan

[FlyinMSP]

I've edited the list 'cause I already got the kit :)


1. Jurgs01
2. Ryoga28
3. Glowmunkey
4. ARunto
5. FrozenMazda
6. Mallard
7. terbow
8. DSM2MSP
9. Boostd5nva
10. Evolv
11. ApocMan

[Ryoga28]

I got the kit a long time ago....

1. Jurgs01
2. Glowmunkey
3. ARunto
4. FrozenMazda
5. Mallard
6. terbow
7. DSM2MSP
8. Boostd5nva
9. Evolv
10. ApocMan

[Mallard]

I got the kit a long time ago....

1. Jurgs01
2. Glowmunkey
3. ARunto
4. FrozenMazda
5. Mallard
6. terbow
7. DSM2MSP
8. Boostd5nva
9. Evolv
10. ApocMan
Looks like you guys copied the original list, not the list of people who wanted the second batch. I got mine a long time ago too.

[FSDET]

i want one
im ready to pay
micaspeed wont reply to his PMs

[apocman]

1. Jurgs01
2. Glowmunkey
3. ARunto
4. FrozenMazda
5. terbow
6. DSM2MSP
7. Boostd5nva
8. Evolv
9. ApocMan
10.MazdaSpdProtege

I hope this is a correct list. Please remove your name if you already have one or add your name if you want one.

[apocman]

1. Jurgs01
2. Glowmunkey
3. ARunto
4. FrozenMazda
5. terbow
6. DSM2MSP
7. Boostd5nva
8. Evolv
9. ApocMan
10. MazdaSpdProtege
11. BioChemBruin

I hope this is a correct list. Please remove your name if you already have one or add your name if you want one.

[FrozenMazda]

1. Jurgs01
2. Glowmunkey
3. ARunto
4. terbow
5. DSM2MSP
6. Boostd5nva
7. Evolv
8. ApocMan
9. MazdaSpdProtege
10. BioChemBruin

Name removed. Those who still want the brackets may want to start a new list or just PM Dave.

[Quik89Si]

Updates on this stuff? How long does it take from payment to receiving shipment?

Alex

[ANDYMP3]

Subscrizzle!(crazy)

[evolv]

Hello all

I did some checking and the last time Dave (Micaspeed) was on this forum was his post to this thread back in November.

I sent him a personal e-mail.

Here's what it said
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Hi Dave

There is a growing list of interested parties in your Mazdaspeed Klunk Fix.

Are there any available? Can you provide me/us with an update?

Here is the link http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1428974#post1428974

Thanks
Karl

Winnipeg
Canada

MSP Forum alias evolv

[Micaspeed!]

Hello,

Again, I have not fallen of the edge of the earth, got close though. Yes, being the dad of two teenagers and taking care of elderly parents keeps one busy. Sorry for not keeping in touch.

Ok, on to the brackets, here's the current status. All of the original 25 sets are sold and on cars. The feedback has all been very positive. I knew you guys would like them. Just wait till I get the hollow big rear bars done!

Now here is the dilema, do I do another 25 sets? Before you answer, I must give you some additional info before you answer. The price has to go up. Truthfully, I made virtually nothing off the original sets, not even including the original design/engineering time. When I set the original $165.00, I stuck to it. The fact is, they need to be in the $225.00 range. Considering a decent sway bar is similary priced, I feel it is still a great value. Those of you who have them can attest to the quality.

Now do I do it? I do not have much time to do informal market studies and such, so this is it. You guys have been great, so I want to serve the community well.

The other option would be to again offer the design to someone who has the time and background to take it over and produce in quantities. This would include AutoCad .dwg files, Solidworks files, etc. I have a contact at Mazda Motorsports I have thought of contacting in this regard, but time again is an issue. With this in mind, using my production background, I doubt the pricing will get any better.

Let me know what ya'll think!!!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com

[Focus]

I think that Turfburn would be an excellent candidate if you choose to pass on the design.

As for me I am very happy with the brackets, and are desperately waiting for you to release the hollow 3 piece bar!!!


Hello,

Again, I have not fallen of the edge of the earth, got close though. Yes, being the dad of two teenagers and taking care of elderly parents keeps one busy. Sorry for not keeping in touch.

Ok, on to the brackets, here's the current status. All of the original 25 sets are sold and on cars. The feedback has all been very positive. I knew you guys would like them. Just wait till I get the hollow big rear bars done!

Now here is the dilema, do I do another 25 sets? Before you answer, I must give you some additional info before you answer. The price has to go up. Truthfully, I made virtually nothing off the original sets, not even including the original design/engineering time. When I set the original $165.00, I stuck to it. The fact is, they need to be in the $225.00 range. Considering a decent sway bar is similary priced, I feel it is still a great value. Those of you who have them can attest to the quality.

Now do I do it? I do not have much time to do informal market studies and such, so this is it. You guys have been great, so I want to serve the community well.

The other option would be to again offer the design to someone who has the time and background to take it over and produce in quantities. This would include AutoCad .dwg files, Solidworks files, etc. I have a contact at Mazda Motorsports I have thought of contacting in this regard, but time again is an issue. With this in mind, using my production background, I doubt the pricing will get any better.

Let me know what ya'll think!!!

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

[biochembruin]

micaspeed, i might suggest starting a new thread for your current idea. i don't know if a lot of people are still following this thread, and new people interested might not want to read 13 pages.

[Focus]

micaspeed, i might suggest starting a new thread for your current idea. i don't know if a lot of people are still following this thread, and new people interested might not want to read 13 pages.
If you do please post a link in this thread!

[FSDET]

micaspeed, i might suggest starting a new thread for your current idea. i don't know if a lot of people are still following this thread, and new people interested might not want to read 13 pages.when he barely has time for one post i dont think he will have time to make a new thread.
micaspeed im intrested in the klunk fix and would buy it when u make it

[FSDET]

As for me I am very happy with the brackets, and are desperately waiting for you to release the hollow 3 piece bar!!!are they trunk braces ? anypix ?

[Ryoga28]

I thought the hollow 3 piece bar was the sway bar

[FlyinMSP]

225$ is still a good price, considering the very high quality of the product (I have a set and I can testify)... it would be sad that Micaspeed couldn't, at the end, get nothing from all the work and R&D that was put in.

[yashooa]

I wish I would have known about you not making any money I would have paid up to 280.00$ without flinching. In fact I would have rather paid more so you could have made some money.

Godspeed "Supafreak" (crazy)(chair)(crazy)

To all you others if you can get these for your MSP/MP3 you should because all the stock swaybar bushings will fail over time this is the only fix and not just "a fix" but rather an improvement over and above increased bushing life.
So just kick yourselves in the your sacks for missing out on these (laugh)

[jurgs01]

I would get these. I'm kinda mad I missed out on the first set.

[goldstar]

I would definitely buy your brackets at the higher price without a problem.

[Mike (Hermosa)]

Add me to the list!

[I'm Allen]

I would have paid $300 for mine. Awesome pieces. I too can't wait to get my hands on the hollow bar!

[TurfBurn]

I think that Turfburn would be an excellent candidate if you choose to pass on the design.

As for me I am very happy with the brackets, and are desperately waiting for you to release the hollow 3 piece bar!!!
Thanks for the vote of confidence and the recommendation! I heard about this through one of my contacts, and came to check the thread out.

If you chose to pass it on at all we would be happy to pick it up and produce them. I'd have to quote through some of my sources to get an idea on the pricing, but I would do everything I could to hold true to the general pricing that has been done previously. Anything we can do to help the community and keep products alive for everyone we'd be more than happy to tackle!

Let me know if I can help out in any way!

Thanks,

Steve
NSN Motorsports

[evolv]

If they are produced, I would buy a set.

When will they be done?

[biochembruin]

when he barely has time for one post i dont think he will have time to make a new thread.

yeah, but maybe it would help raise awareness of this product. it has been discussed on the board for over a year, and many are just now hearing about it. just throwing out the suggestion so he'd have more incentive to make more.

[wil]

I'm also interested in this fix... Any price or availability yet ?

[apocman]

JBreed told me he will buy one at the new price right now...

[Micaspeed!]

Ok,

I should know by the end of next week about doing another run of brackets depending on how much time my real job allows me to spend on it. TurfBurn and I have been communicating also about his involvement. Sooooo, stay tuned. Probably will do as advised and start another thread along with updating the web site to provide more information on the brackets which should help interest. Thanks

Godspeed!
Dave

[FSDET]

thanks micaspeed. update ur site..that sounds good. if ur gonna make em i think u should make like 50 cuz im sure theyll all sell.

[Focus]

This is good news. I hope you have some time for the 3 piece bar as well.

[peepsalot]

Anyone have pics of the replacement endlinks installed? I don't know exactly how they are supposed to be oriented.

I got mine months ago, and am just now installing them. I know, I'm a lazy bastard.

[Ryoga28]

peepsalot: for pics check out my old thread http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83659

I didn't do the installation, but I'm sure there are people here that knows what to do.

[peepsalot]

Oh awesome. (bowdown) excellent pictures, just what I needed. I did some searching, but I hadn't seen your thread yet. Thanks so much.

[spacemonkey]

I would pay for improved handling and improvement on the "Klunk." Keep me posted on this and I will try to save up.

[FBI14]

Correction, a Fix for the Klunk not just an improvement

:p

[spacemonkey]

Correction, a Fix for the Klunk not just an improvement

:p

actually it doenst really bother me that much and I dont really hear it that much. Maybe its the florida weather and humidity. I imagine it would suck int he cold as it is right now. But most of the time its pretty minor...but still there.

[FBI14]

well either way the Brackets completely rid the car of the klunk

[evolv]

I developed a mild case of the klunk a day or two before an auto-x event. I never noticed it until race day (stereo off) and holy SH*T was my car loose.

I was into Mazda soon after that for replacement bushings and the following weekend another event. The car handled totally different with solid bushings.

Good luck to those that don't get the klunk fixed and need your car to manouver to avoid an accident....

[FlyinMSP]

I doubt that a "loose" bar will get you into an accident... as a bar usually downgrades suspension performance (it's used to counteract understeer)...

[peepsalot]

I just installed mine, and the klunk is only sorta gone now. I still have some kind of noise coming from the rear, sounds like only the right side, it is a bumping kind of noise like the clunk, but not as low pitched and loud.

Gonna have to check all the nuts and bolts again later tonight if I have the time.

Micaspeed: What about these bar clamp stopper things that were next to the stock bushings? Is it necessary to move these, becuase it looks like they aren't meant to be removed and place back on. Are they necessary, and should I get some new bar clamps to replace them?

Edit: I just emailed delsing to ask the same question about the stoppers.

[DooMer_MP3]

Please keep us up to date with a new thread. After winter, I'd like to purchase these and be done with this bullshit clunk once and for all.

[carbonkid]

so what would be the best setup? delsing brackets with perrin sway bar?

Good question. This is the route I am considering taking.

[carbonkid]

Any news? I really want the klunk fix kit. Have money in Paypal ready to go.
Ok,

I should know by the end of next week about doing another run of brackets depending on how much time my real job allows me to spend on it. TurfBurn and I have been communicating also about his involvement. Sooooo, stay tuned. Probably will do as advised and start another thread along with updating the web site to provide more information on the brackets which should help interest. Thanks

Godspeed!
Dave

[M=SP^2]

The clunk is driving me f'ing nuts. When the dealerships replaces the bushings they last exactly two weeks and then it sounds like there's a dead body in my trunk every time I go over a bump or take a turn (I'm sure the cold weather has something to do with it). Please bring your brackets back to market, I'm willing to pay.

[DooMer_MP3]

Mine is getting horrible. Need a permanent fix!1

[ping]

You can move the clamp bushing stoppers, but it's not essential. The lube-able urethane bushings do end up squeaking after a while, that's why one lubes them. 2 pumps from a grease gun and they're silent - do at every oil change. Wish I had zerks on those d@mn front bar bushings...

[Micaspeed!]

Hey!

Have been overworked with the "real" job. Awaiting pricing and such from my faithful vendors. All th eshops seem real busy and it would be a couple of weeks before they even get to it. Also Steve/Turfburn and I have been talking about him buying the rights to manufacture, so we are working on it, should have something by the end of this week.

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com

[Focus]

Dave, any news on the 3 piece hollow bar ?

[ping]

Hay Dave! Miss ya man - hope all continues well. I got my new job too, moved to The Burgh (Pgh PA), still rocking the prototype and the rear suspension is great. Dealer saw it and were distracted enough by the REAR kit that they forgot to lube the FRONT swaybar bushings, wanted to know where I got such a good quality kit, thought it was overbuilt (OK with me!). Family's good, all the best, peace,

-LD

[Mallard]

Dave, any news on the 3 piece hollow bar ?
How about the status of the KW Variant 3's?

[Stormtrooper77]

What about Tri-Point's set up? Is that an upgrade for the regular Protege or will that be an upgrage for the MSP as well?

[carbonkid]

Any news?

[M=SP^2]

bump

[peepsalot]

I can't get my clunk fix brackets to work and it's driving me crazy. I installed them a couple weeks ago, and find that the old clunk is gone, but replaced with a different sounding (and more frequent) clunk. My friend was riding in my car and he said it sounded like it was falling apart. I recently got under the car again thinking maybe something was loose, but I tested every nut and bolt, and they were all tight on there.

This sucks cause I don't know what to do. I doubt the mazda dealer will be able to do much, and I don't know anywhere else I would take it. Apparently I'm the only one with this problem.

[Mallard]

Not sure what you could have done wrong. Make sure you have the right size bushings and they're tight on the bar, make sure they're greased well, check your endlinks...

Not sure what else could be wrong. I've never had a problem since I installed them.

[peepsalot]

How do I know how long my endlinks should be? What do you mean when you say "check your endlinks?"

[biochembruin]

How do I know how long my endlinks should be? What do you mean when you say "check your endlinks?"

if you're not lowered and still have your stock endlinks around, i would guess you could measure the stock ones and set the new ones at the same length. might help.

[Mallard]

I meant make sure the bots are tight on your endlinks and that they're on properly. Basically I'd re-check everything that you took off to install the brackets along with the bushings to make sure they're the right ones.

[DooMer_MP3]

When I put springs on, my car sounded like absolute shit. It turned out that the allen-dual-bolt thing was loose on one side on the endlink... Tightened to spec and it was fine.

Chris

[peepsalot]

OK everybody, I figured out my problem. You have no idea how much this was driving me crazy. I'm so relieved to have the clunk#2 gone. It was happening 100 times as often as clunk#1, yeah basically constant loud popping like my wheel is going to fall off while driving.

Here was my problem if anyone cares. One of the delsing endlinks I installed had it's ball joints twisted in opposite directions, and they were held tight in place by the nuts on the endlink. So basically, there was no free movement available for these joints. This was causing a bolt that held one of the sides of this endlink to constanly pop against the ball joint housing. The black area that filled in the ball joint was visibly worn by this stupid bolt.

My solution: With the endlink still in place, I loosened one nut that secures the ball joints. Twist both ball joints as far as they will go in one direction, then retighten the nut. Voila!

Pheew. MY CLUNK IS GONE!

[Focus]

OK everybody, I figured out my problem. You have no idea how much this was driving me crazy. I'm so relieved to have the clunk#2 gone. It was happening 100 times as often as clunk#1, yeah basically constant loud popping like my wheel is going to fall off while driving.

Here was my problem if anyone cares. One of the delsing endlinks I installed had it's ball joints twisted in opposite directions, and they were held tight in place by the nuts on the endlink. So basically, there was no free movement available for these joints. This was causing a bolt that held one of the sides of this endlink to constanly pop against the ball joint housing. The black area that filled in the ball joint was visibly worn by this stupid bolt.

My solution: With the endlink still in place, I loosened one nut that secures the ball joints. Twist both ball joints as far as they will go in one direction, then retighten the nut. Voila!

Pheew. MY CLUNK IS GONE!

Do you think you can snap a picture?

[Murray]

My solution: With the endlink still in place, I loosened one nut that secures the ball joints. Twist both ball joints as far as they will go in one direction, then retighten the nut. Voila!Thanks for posting this ... my set's been doing something similar but I just wrote it off as stiffer parts = noisier in a different way. I'll have to get under there and check on that this weekend.

Dave: If I've completely screwed up the ball joints on my endlinks (I haven't looked yet, but I've put a LOT of miles on these), what would it take to get replacements?

[peepsalot]

Do you think you can snap a picture?

Damn, I had a feeling someone would ask this, I'll have to jack the car up again to snap it I think. Eh, maybe I can do it with the wheels on the ground, I'll see what I can do tonight.

[Micaspeed!]

Hey Guys,

Thought i would check in here. Been absolutly burried at the real job! Things will be this way fo ranother 3 weeks or so. Don't give up th eship on the other run of the kits. As soon as I get through this I should be able to do another run of the brackets and end links.

As far as the KW variant three kit, I was told mine is th eonly one in existance. They did a custom set fo rme in Germany, very cool.

Yea, guys, you have to have the rod ends lined up properly before tightening the jam nuts.

Ping, congrats on the new job! BTW I am considering the cycling event of the Senior Olympics! Been trying to build a base to train from, but very little time to do so.

The three piece bar will be available with the next run of kits.

Hang in there guys, we will get these kits done.

Thanks,

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com

[apocman]

Hey Guys,

Thought i would check in here. Been absolutly burried at the real job! Things will be this way fo ranother 3 weeks or so. Don't give up th eship on the other run of the kits. As soon as I get through this I should be able to do another run of the brackets and end links.

As far as the KW variant three kit, I was told mine is th eonly one in existance. They did a custom set fo rme in Germany, very cool.

Yea, guys, you have to have the rod ends lined up properly before tightening the jam nuts.

Ping, congrats on the new job! BTW I am considering the cycling event of the Senior Olympics! Been trying to build a base to train from, but very little time to do so.

The three piece bar will be available with the next run of kits.

Hang in there guys, we will get these kits done.

Thanks,

Godspeed!
Dave
www.delsingmotorsport.com (http://www.delsingmotorsport.com)

Great to hear from you Dave! I will be ready to purchase more products as soon as your ready to take the orders and Godspeed to you too!

ApocMan/Richard

[peepsalot]

Here's a pic of what I'm talking about.

If you loosen the bottom nut as shown in the pic, then rotate both ball joints to the right as far as possible(opposite of how they are shown in pic.), then tighten the nut again, since tightening will make the joints want to turn toward the right anyways. When everything is tightened and in place you can grab the endlink in hand and rotate it back and forth to verify there is some room for movement.

If you can imagine each end being turned opposite directions, you can see how there would be no way for the ball joints to move properly and the head of the bolt just tries to jam itself into the joint. (boom02) You can't tell from the pics, but the black plastic or whatever that holds the ball in is worn a bit, nothing serious enough to warrant replacement from the looks of it.

[peepsalot]

You might be able to file down and round the edges of the bolt head to allow even better movement if you wanted. Make them tapered, shaped more like the bronze colored spacers on the other side of the ball joints. Not sure if that's a good idea though.

[Focus]

Here's a pic of what I'm talking about.

If you loosen the bottom nut as shown in the pic, then rotate both ball joints to the right as far as possible(opposite of how they are shown in pic.), then tighten the nut again, since tightening will make the joints want to turn toward the right anyways. When everything is tightened and in place you can grab the endlink in hand and rotate it back and forth to verify there is some room for movement.

If you can imagine each end being turned opposite directions, you can see how there would be no way for the ball joints to move properly and the head of the bolt just tries to jam itself into the joint. (boom02) You can't tell from the pics, but the black plastic or whatever that holds the ball in is worn a bit, nothing serious enough to warrant replacement from the looks of it.

So if I understand correctly, loosen the nut, then unscrew the endlink a couple turns , and the retighten the nut ???

[peepsalot]

So if I understand correctly, loosen the nut, then unscrew the endlink a couple turns , and the retighten the nut ???
No, you're not turning the endlink more than 30 degrees or so. Since you do this while the endlink is in place, you can't possibly turn it more than that anyways. You are adjusting the rotation of the ball joints in relation to each other so that when one of them is in the middle of it's rotation on the ball, the other is also in the middle. When one is rotated all the way to one side, the other is all the way to the same side. I had mine rotated to opposite sides, that causes problems once they are locked tight in place. Does that make sense?

[peepsalot]

If you are twist the endlink through a few turns, you are adjusting the length of it, you should already have the length to where you want it before this point.

[LinuxRacr]

Micaspeed,

I have been looking for a clunk fix for about 4 years. Put me down for your next run for my MP3.

[peepsalot]

Damn it my stupid suspension is making noises again. This is driving me nuts, why am I the only guy with this problem? I don't think I'll have time to fool with it till this weekend. But I think it is the other endlink now making noise, I guess it the adjusment got shifted somehow because it was fine a week ago. I don't understand why the endlinks have these spacers for one side, but not for the other, it seems like these bolt heads hinder movement a lot. I'd like to get extra spacers for this but I don't know how I would get them.