Mazda cant even keep its paperwork straight...

[DSMConvert]

Well been arguing with the dealership about the msp just not performing up to par and everytime the service tech drives it and says its fine....soo decided to start checking possible problems, vac. lines, turbo, etc...so far everything is fine, so next step is the ecu...on my paperwork it says that when i took it in they did not flash the ecu b/c the tech deemed that the car wasnt stumbling or running badly, BUT the service computer says it was flashed b/c the flash was a TSB. I talked to the tech that did it and he said he's never flashed a msp ecu before so he couldnt of possibly done it and the receipt/work order I have is correct. Mazda wont re-flash it b/c they said they already did it and it would mess it up to flash it again. So here in a few days I'm gonna head down to the dyno and do a few runs, and I"m hoping some of you guys with unflashed dyno sheets can compare my results and tell me what you think of the situation...

[JONBOY688]

give me ure vin number i will run it and see if it has been flashed or not. or it will tell if the dealership claimed to flash it or not.

[DSMConvert]

alright great! I'll get it when i get outta work round 5ish....

[BOOSTR]

Is your dealer Ferman?

[tekkie]

How the hell is reflashing it going to hurt it? they are full of crap, you can rewrite the ecu as many damn times as you want. I am sure that there are limits but its not twice for sure its probably tens of thousands at least. The problem is they dont know how to do it and they are afraid to.

These dealers are so dumb sometimes.

[pdhaudio83]

agreed. flashing again will not do damage, just reflashing it with same data, as case may be.

grr. ass hole dealers.

[b00sted]

mine was flashed twice...wasnt a problem for me

[BlkZoomZoom]

You can't be "flashed" twice. It's impossible, if the WDS sees the software to a certain level then it won't give you the option to re-program it.

[wicked]

You can't be "flashed" twice. It's impossible, if the WDS sees the software to a certain level then it won't give you the option to re-program it.

but they can atleast try.
if it accepts then you know it wasn't flashed.

DSM why don't you have the service writer and the tech that did the work to dispute this between themselves.they won't call the tech a lier.

[tekkie]

You can't be "flashed" twice. It's impossible, if the WDS sees the software to a certain level then it won't give you the option to re-program it.
You mean to tell me there is no way to erase the whole thing and reflash it from scratch? I dont believe that for a second. The software may not show the option but I bet that Mazda has some software tool to do it. Its just an eeprom, anything that can be written once, twice, can be erased and reprogrammed a million times.

[celdridge]

You mean to tell me there is no way to erase the whole thing and reflash it from scratch? I dont believe that for a second. The software may not show the option but I bet that Mazda has some software tool to do it. Its just an eeprom, anything that can be written once, twice, can be erased and reprogrammed a million times.

You are both right and wrong ... the Mazda software will only allow the software to be written once ... if the CRCs check out when they hook up to the computer then the software is considered good by the programmer and will not program a second time. The chips used are reimprintable chips ... just because the mazda software cant do it ... doesn't mean that there are not other packages that have the safeguard that Mazda's has. I am not sure either, but if the Mazda package is anything like the Mitsu one there is an override for Eprom checking that forces the update no matter what.

[JONBOY688]

wds sees that it has the lastest update there is nothing u can do!!!! i wanted to unflash my car to see if there was a difference but there is no way around it.

[celdridge]

wds sees that it has the lastest update there is nothing u can do!!!! i wanted to unflash my car to see if there was a difference but there is no way around it.
ghey

[tekkie]

There is a way around everything, I bet the people that develop the software for the ECU's can do it. There is no way that they just throw the thing away after upgrading it.

Regardless the dealers are not going to do it because #1 they dont know how and #2 they dont want to spend the time investigating it (sad2)

Screw it man just buy a piggyback the stock ECU sucks anyway (piss)


wds sees that it has the lastest update there is nothing u can do!!!! i wanted to unflash my car to see if there was a difference but there is no way around it.

[terbow]

jonboy would you be able to tel if mine's flashed? i got it dynoed but im not sure if it is or not. i asked the dealer and he wasnt sure.

[tekkie]

if its flashed they were supposed to put a little sticker somewhere, I forget where now though

[terbow]

yea i was told theres supposed to be a lil yellow sticker on the firewall or door jamb. i dont have any yellow so i was curious.

[Dr.Sound]

here if u need are my stock, UNFLASHED dynoes.

2nd, 3rd, 4th gear pulls:

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Dyno/k&n%20dyno%20stock%202nd%20gear.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Dyno/k&n%20dyno%20stock%203rd%20gear.jpg

http://www.msprotege.com/members/Dr.Sound/Dyno/k&n%20dyno%20stock%204th%20gear.jpg

[terbow]

well this is mine would you say flashed? mine looks a lil smoother than urs but im not sure. if mine IS flashed its time for engine management. lol

http://www.rendershack.com/stuff/dyno1.jpg

[terbow]

thanks btw, dr. sound.

[Dr.Sound]

hmm, what gear is that?

[terbow]

4th. and sorry dsm convert for the threadjack.

[Dr.Sound]

yeah, seems like u're flashed.
u dont have that dip at arround 4k rpm.

[BlkZoomZoom]

tekkie- I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I am a Mazda Tech. and I have tried many different ways to get around the programming ways of Mazda. To my knowledge it cannot be done, basically because Mazda does not give out non-flashed programming, only flashed programming (all their vehicles are like this, not just the MSP). When the japanese engineers came to the dealership to check out the f*d up Mazda 3 I was working on, I asked them if there was anyway to get the "unflashed" version back in my MSP. They told me to warranty a pcm.....

I'm sure someone out there can do it, but its not lack of intrest from techs. that makes it undoable.

[tekkie]

yeah there has to be some way to do it for sure, but I am sure that Ford keeps it under close wraps so people do not get their hands on it

[JONBOY688]

jonboy would you be able to tel if mine's flashed? i got it dynoed but im not sure if it is or not. i asked the dealer and he wasnt sure.

yeah pm me ure vin number and i will let u know if it has been flashed thanks jonathan

[DSMConvert]

vin # jm1bj227x30645349 in other news it goes back to the dealer on wednesday...i finally told the manager what he was going to do and borrowed a techy to ride with me on a test drive...sure as rain at 4600rpms the turbo death squeal made its debut...techy cringed in the seat....yea didnt hear it my ass, probably didnt even drive it....sounds basically like a metallic tea kettle boiling.... thanks jonathan in advance and thanx dr. for the dynos charts...no apologies needed the more dyno graphs and info the better...yours is def. smoother than the docs def flashed....

[girth]

Just demand that they try flashing it again and watch them do it. If it has already been flashed the machine will get to a certain point and not allow them to go any further. That's what I did - so I know I'm flashed. But regardless what you do, the flash probably won't help you much anyway. Mine still runs like ass.

[unwound]

dsm is that fucknut shawn still the "acting" service manager? i refuse to go their if he is still their

[DSMConvert]

yep shawn is still there....wasnt very fond of him...in the end he does what i want, but it required more heckling than i care to administer everytime i bring my car in. he basically gave me the run around until I informed him I know more about cars than the majority of his tech staff and surely more than he does....however i did find the secret to making him more agreeable...he seems to like trucks which is good since i own 3 jeeps...hehe and I met a tech juan who seems to know a couple of the local speeds and seems like a good guy to be friends with...

[unwound]

he came off as an ass to me too. he tried to tell me they wouldn't cover my defective kenwood radio because i have 3 guages on my a-pillar. i have been waiting 11 weeks for my replacement kenwood-- i have yet to get any type of call from them, not a F U or anything. he was also giving me hell about my injen CAI too. i told him his feeble threats do not scare me and if he won't cover my car then i will take it elsewhere; when i picked up my car the next day i got a "i just wanted to let ya know what the mazda reps would say if they came strolling in and saw your car with mods" from him. i told him to call me when they show up so they could see my car 1st hand.

hope everything gets worked out for you. they were the ones who flashed my car i know they did cause i was right their when they did it over a year ago.

[DSMConvert]

hey jonathan any update on the vin? I go to the dealership on wed, so I kinda wanted to know something before I go in with a gun and start shooting people....