info on ION

[wicked]

I just wanted to know what people thoughts were on ION,not thiers sales or service,but what kind of company they are.

just wanted to know cause I just got some interesting news about thier company,but I need to know if it will hurt then or if it's already known.I don't want to be to mean on accident.

having to do with location,staff,and who makes thier products.

[xxxcool21]

i hear good products, just takes a lifetime and half after you've paid to get your stuff

[ELEmental59437]

spill the news bro.. is it the info regarding a college of some sort?

[122 Vega]

You mena how people have to wait for months for thier goods because of "waiting for bubble wrap" and "border problems" and other bullshit? The best one was the "chemical explosion down the street". I had considered buying some of thier stuff, but it seems like they don't try very hard to do things in a timely manner.

Britt

[SpicyMchaggis]

Lets hear it man! There is a lot of negative and positive publicity on this forum about them..Great products..but overpriced..takes a long time to get them..rabble rabble rabble..if you have info, by all means share!

[FSDET]

You mena how people have to wait for months for thier goods because of "waiting for bubble wrap" and "border problems" and other bullshit? The best one was the "chemical explosion down the street". I had considered buying some of thier stuff, but it seems like they don't try very hard to do things in a timely manner.

Britt
LMAO!!!!!

[flat_black]

I bought the N/A downpipe from them, and it's a wonderful product. But it was made by Brullen for them, not by them in particular; They have no particular 'shop', really. They just resell other products, made by others. They were responsive to communications, but yes, the delays were quite annoying. Especially when I had a blown secondary cat, and needed to replace it before I went insane.

They've been around in the Subaru world for quite some time, too, so you know.

[wicked]

spill the news bro.. is it the info regarding a college of some sort?

well I geuss they are just some colledge dudes that take our orders give,have a company make the products,jack up the price,and sells them to us.

that would explain the crappy customer service,and the long wait for products.(upbum)

I didn't know if anyone knew or not,or if it's even a big deal at all,butI know I would never go through them,when I am capable of calling some performance shops on my own,and gettin my own shit made the same without the markup.


don't know if this thread even matters to anyone,but I just thought people would like to know were thier money went(to others education?)

[mspeed101]

Damn Canadians! lol

[wicked]

Damn Canadians! lol
(lol)

[alexlitov]

that's like super old news....just look at their adress.....

[speedhawaii]

yup i figured since the address. thats why their fmic is also listed as kinetic or something

[mspdfreak]

Yeah, I don't care how good their shit is, I'm not waiting months to get my part. Plus, you pay out the ass.

[terbow]

i think thats kinda dissapointing they dont make their own stuff and get credit for it in mags and such, but the fact is, they were the only ones offering a true turboback(at the moment), with a large gain, expensive or not. I dont see an issue with it other than them not actually making it and getting national credit, but lots of companies outsource, its like when we found out the singer for c+c music factory wasnt really skinny and sexy, she was large but we still love them ;)

[terbow]

but yea the wait times and price are kinda silly.

[daedalus]

so anybody got the info on who actually manufactures the turbo back and what we could actually get it for by going through some other dealer?

I'm all for buisness, but raping an entire community by holding them hostage at 1299.99 a pop is just bad buisness when your probably profiting 400+ on each transaction...

[MSPinVA]

well, I wonder how long it will take for them to come in here all gangbusters and tell us about how "true" they have really been with us, since they keep going on and on and on about their "true" turbo-back overpriced garbage. . .

[terbow]

i wouldnt say its garbage, its still nice work. i hope this thread doesnt turn into a bash fest. i think its irrelevent that they dont make it. i mean its nice to know but as far as price goes. what can u do? nothing. even the street unit one is 1300. Thats the price of 3" turbobacks for the msp. It be one thing if we had 60,000 cars but its limited production. limited production runs always cost more.

[thunder]

Damn Canadians! lol

I'd make an adjustment; Damn Albertans!! LOL

On a different note: I don't think it matters if they outsource everything, they make the design, R&D, testing... That's quite a normal thing to do but it's slower for sure unless you have oustanding supplyers.

[iON Performance]

wicked (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7853)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1203444", true); </SCRIPT> - that's quite interesting, we didn't know that we're a bunch of college students that are just reselling parts that we design. In anycase, the mailing address is at the UofC since we have a co-op program partnership with the Mechanical & Chemical engineering faculty. Our R&D and manufacturing facilities are in an industrial area of the city; and hence we do not do any retail. Our core business is providing R&D/design work for other companies (ie: building prototypes etc).

122 Vega (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2830) - Like it or not, there was actually a chemical explosion across the street from our facilities. This was on the local news; caused the area to be blocked off for almost 1 week till everything was cleaned up properly.

flat_black (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2930) - Actually Brullen manufactures some of our parts under contract; things that do not require alot of highly skilled manufacturing techniques are sent out their way so that we have less on our plates to deal with.

speedhawaii (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7646)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1204202", true); </SCRIPT> - The FMIC kits are co-manufactured with Kinetic.


terbow (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=10874)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1204321", true); </SCRIPT> - Where does anyone get this "info" anyways? The exhaust systems are all manufactured in house, from start to finish. And yes you're right about the limited quanity production; there are ~3500 MSP's in North America; we've factored our R&D costs etc over ~300 units which represents an approximate 8.6% of the total market which is a very accurate/conservative estimation.

daedalus (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=12608) - For all those skeptics out there, why don't we put up a challenge; if you can design, fabricate and produce our exhaust system for the cost that you were implying that our system costs to manufacture (including factoring in R&D costs/systen)~$900US, we will pay you to do it for us. Simple as that. Are you up to the challege? And FYI, MSRP on the exhaust is $1599US. Forum members automatically get a $200US discount. If the USD was as strong as it was 2 yrs ago, prices would definately reflect that. Unfortunately the USD relative to CAD is still on the decline.

[raku]

its your move people who were bad talking ion...

[speedhawaii]

i wasnt talking bad at all. just stating past facts. i cant really say anything cause i dont have any buying experience from ion.

[Bhamsan]

I think any company that is willing to put the time and energy (and money) into developing parts for a car that is as limited as a MSP should get at least some support. It goes against most logic and common sense when it comes to business practice to pursue such a small market with as much time and energy as some companies, such as iON and HiBoost, have done.

[122 Vega]

But that does't explain the bubble wrap incindent. I mean come on, you can buy it anywhere. Why should people have to wait?

Britt

[Bhamsan]

But that does't explain the bubble wrap incindent. I mean come on, you can buy it anywhere. Why should people have to wait?

Britt
HAHA! Well, I don't know how hard it is to find bubble wrap in Canada, since I've never been there before, but that does sound rather ridiculous.

[iON Performance]

122 Vega (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2830) - there are various sizes of bubble wrap; we don't manufacture this - so basically the shipping supply company dictates as to when the correctly sized bubble wrap arrives. It's rather silly to not use the proper packaging when you're trying to protect a piece of art. It would be nice if everything ran on our schedule; then we'd be able to get Argon and anything else we wanted even on a statutory holiday! Funny thing, as we speak; we're still at the production facilities doing work! -ie: no long weekend for any of us here.

[Mark-MsP]

Ion - I'm sorry chief, but I took pictures, figures, and reviews to a guy at a muffler shop who said 750$ for the exact same thing, AND a highflow cat, that's including install. Don't BS and say it costs that much for you to make it because you make it in bulk, and this would be a custom job from scratch modeled off of your design. Bubble Wrap, Pff! Come out of the closet.

[t3ase]

Ion - I'm sorry chief, but I took pictures, figures, and reviews to a guy at a muffler shop who said 750$ for the exact same thing, AND a highflow cat, that's including install. Don't BS and say it costs that much for you to make it because you make it in bulk, and this would be a custom job from scratch modeled off of your design. Bubble Wrap, Pff! Come out of the closet.
Subscribing because this is a *very* valid point and true fact.

[t3ase]

Also, this should be in the vendor reviews section but I'm keeping it here so I can keep an eye on it. iON threads have a tendency to go very negative, very quickly. :)

[FunkyBuddha]

So make it. See how much it actually is. A quote says nothing. There are unforseen costs in making products. And they don't make it in bulk. If they did, 3500MSP's would've had turbobacks already at a lower cost. Besides..you gonna guarantee the exhaust shop's materials won't rust after 2 years? 3 years? 5 years? Welds are gonna be as good as Jack's products? I just hate how this board is going downhill all of a sudden and how everyone just jumps at the opportunity to state negative comments like a pack of wolves.

[mspeed101]

Actually no one should have to pay $1500 + shipping for an exhaust. Thats insane! Perrin and ********** are working on a system that will be alot cheaper and the same if not better quality as Ion's

[Mark-MsP]

Normally Funky I would agree with you, but 1599$ for exhaust is just silly. Also this shop I speak of does amazing work. Guy has been doing custom jobs for 20 years. He owns an RX-7 with 500 that he works on in his spare time. He has owned a speed shop for 5 years also. Anyone in Houston I recommend checking this guy out at Z's mufflers. He will do ANYTHING.

[flat_black]

iON doesn't bother me at all, for sure. =) I'm really enjoying my downpipe, so I couldn't complain!

[FunkyBuddha]

True..just kinda venting. Hate it. LOL. But, sometimes doing things in house isn't the cheapest way to go. With the R&D time, the cost of labor, the materials cost, w/ Ion being a smaller operation than Perrin or HKS or Greddy, materials aren't easy to come by. Anyways, y'all can argue to your heart's content..bottom line is, it's a free market economy, and everyone's got their prices. Survival of the fittest I guess.

[Bhamsan]

The exhaust costs $1399 plus shipping for forum members, and if we're lucky enough to get in on another GB, they'll be $1299 plus shipping. All their exhausts are made custom with 02 bungs welded for wideband, resonators for those who don't want the cops on our backs for noise pollution, or with no cats for those that want the best results.

The big thing that is attractive about the iON is the DP that for some reason, no other company has taken the time to develop even though there is an obvious demand for the product. This piece has been pretty much the holy grail for MSP owners since I've been a member of this forum and an owner of a MSP almost exactly a year ago, and it seems as if zero progress has been made on this part that everyone wants. Every once in a while someone will come by and say they've met some guy at a meet that will make it, but goes mute after about a week of "Make it and I'll buy it" responses.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and I'm guessing the R&D and everything for this exhaust costs a pretty penny, which is why no one else since the creation of this car has been able to make a DP like the one iON has made. They're not going to do this as a favor since I'm sure they've gotten used to eating and need to make their endeavors worth while, which is why it is expensive (and us being forum members get a $200 discount already). The costs get kicked back to the consumers so iON can make a profit, like every other company does.

Mark-MsP, you're making an exhaust for $750 that was designed by iON. That design time and R&D costs money, since they did it from scratch. The $750 does not reflect the time it took iON to make their exhaust, and I'm sure if they were able to take someone else's design and copy it, they'd be able to sell it cheaper than that.

I don't own any iON products, but maybe someday I will, and I'd like to see them in business when I gather enough money to buy their turboback exhaust, since they can make it exactly to my specs.

[mazdaowner123]

Ion - I'm sorry chief, but I took pictures, figures, and reviews to a guy at a muffler shop who said 750$ for the exact same thing, AND a highflow cat, that's including install. Don't BS and say it costs that much for you to make it because you make it in bulk, and this would be a custom job from scratch modeled off of your design. Bubble Wrap, Pff! Come out of the closet.
The muffler shop doesn't have to factor in R&D, dyno time, etc etc that iON does when they make their products. I don't think the comparison you're making is very fair.

~brian

[Bhamsan]

The muffler shop doesn't have to factor in R&D, dyno time, etc etc that iON does when they make their products. I don't think the comparison you're making is very fair.

~brian
My point exactly.

[hazeXban]

I think the prices are very high...however I think based on what I see they make some of the best stuff I have ever seen. I would have NO PROBLEM laying down the cash for the turbo back exhaust considering it should last as long as I should. Only thing I wish I could count on is the delivery time. It seems that it can take a few months to get something after it has already been charged to your credit card. I am not down with that. But none the less when I get some more mula I really want to get this turbo back exhaust. No one here can knock them on their ability and the fact they started the R&D process for the car that counts for something.

Pete

[122 Vega]

w/ Ion being a smaller operation than Perrin or HKS or Greddy,
I've been to Perrin's shop, my shop is bigger! They run out of a three bay shop. But they also have taken over a year to come to market. But, you get your stuff when you pay for it, not three to six months months later.

I even talked my way into the $1399 for the Ion exhaust (with my wife, a Lawyer, so it's not an easy task to talk her into anything) but after seeing the rediculous amount of time it was taking to get people thier parts I changed my mind. Is it better than the CS I have? Without a doubt. But customer service is paramount.

I hate having to search the forums to find out when and if Ion products are available. I mean come on, you've been here for what, two years and still have not made a website? Do we have to wait for group buys, or can I call you and buy parts? It sure would be nice to know that I could call you, order something and it would ship out within a resonable amount of time, like say a week.

Britt

[Focus]

Ion's products are superb and way worth the money spent. The only quirk that I think sucks, is waiting for such a loooooooooooooooooooong time to get your parts.

[Glowmunkey]

but after seeing the rediculous amount of time it was taking to get people thier parts I changed my mind. Is it better than the CS I have? Without a doubt. But customer service is paramount.


I'm in the same boat here... I'd prefer the iON turbo back, but Corksport accomplished something that no one else could seem to handle at the time - they sent the parts to me. An actual, real part... and there was a slight blip with my customer service (no delays in delivery), so they sent me a free SS clutch line. That's what it takes to win me over - send me the parts I pay for, and if something happens, beyond your control or otherwise, try to make it up to me.

Am I THAT unreasonable?

[Delivery_Guy]

Ion - I'm sorry chief, but I took pictures, figures, and reviews to a guy at a muffler shop who said 750$ for the exact same thing, AND a highflow cat, that's including install. Don't BS and say it costs that much for you to make it because you make it in bulk, and this would be a custom job from scratch modeled off of your design. Bubble Wrap, Pff! Come out of the closet.

If you think that they would even be able to make you that cast S pipe for $750 you're smoking something.

For me the only issue anyone should bring up is the wait times. If you don't want to pay for quality, then don't. If it isn't worth it to you or you can get an exhaust custom made for $150, then do your own thing. Anyway, just my opinion. If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it. But give me a break, you really have to flame on them...let's see if we can get every company willing to make parts for us to tell us to piss off.

[StreakinOraNgeX]

If you think that they would even be able to make you that cast S pipe for $750 you're smoking something.

For me the only issue anyone should bring up is the wait times. If you don't want to pay for quality, then don't. If it isn't worth it to you or you can get an exhaust custom made for $150, then do your own thing. Anyway, just my opinion. If you think it's too expensive, then don't buy it. But give me a break, you really have to flame on them...let's see if we can get every company willing to make parts for us to tell us to piss off.wait are you saying that a custom cast s pipe will cost more then 750 dollars?

[dominoy2k1]

dude there is a line between quality and ass raping. any shop can do quality work. also it not like its hard to make a 3inch turboback or any size for that matter.

[dominoy2k1]

whats the point of having vendors if they sell shit so expensive? doesnt make any sense.

[jurgs01]

dude there is a line between quality and ass raping. any shop can do quality work. also it not like its hard to make a 3inch turboback or any size for that matter.
I would buy from ION even if their parts are overpriced, but the wait is the main thing I couldn't do. I think Perrin and ********** will come out with a DP that is just as good, and it will be reasonably priced and you won't have to wait.

[MP3skaterNC]

perrin will be expensive too guys.

Quality cost money, pretty simple, thats the main reason why we haven't brought alot of higher end products into the market.

[jrodhotrod]

Seriously guys, MP3skaterNC is right. Everyone knows Perrin makes the good stuff just like ION does, and their "J-Pipe" back system, is $949. This doesn't include the work of art that the ION s-pipe replacement is.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79663&highlight=perrin

Sounds like ION's pricing for the best exhaust system that you can buy for this car is reasonable. You want the good stuff you gotta pay for it.

Yes the wait times are long with ION, but everyone gets their products. I am getting tired of seeing threads like this that constantly bash a vendor making quality products for our car.

[SpicyMchaggis]

Jaime's got it right..Quality costs money.. ION has the mantra, top dollar products, top dollar quality..which is great. Their stuff looks amazing...but there is a missing part of it..you have to get the products to the customer in a similar manner.

[SpicyMchaggis]

But, you CAN get a decent turbo back made for under 500$ at any good exhaust shop..Especially in metro areas..My buddy had his GSX's turbo-back made for 300$ in queens..obviously not stainless piping and mandrel bending..but it didn't cost a grand..

[FSDET]

i think the iON turboback should be 1100 shipped anywhere in US and Canada in a month at most, and the FMIC should be 900 shipped again no more then a month wait.
If iON does this and makes a simple website that takes 30 minutes to make on microsoft publisher ect.. everyone will love them!!

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

Quality, Performance, Affordability.

Pick TWO.

[EvilMSP]

i think the iON turboback should be 1100 shipped anywhere in US and Canada in a month at most, and the FMIC should be 900 shipped again no more then a month wait.
If iON does this and makes a simple website that takes 30 minutes to make on microsoft publisher ect.. everyone will love them!!
That is how I feel too.

[noclue119]

Quality, Performance, Affordability.

Pick TWO.Dude its quality, money, function. Pick any two... It's told to every engineer at the first day of college. But its often not realized until the day they step into their first day of work...

Anyways.. I'd buy a Ion Exhuast if they wait was not 3 month also... Hey ION this for you when u have an extra 3 inch turbo back exhaust sitting around, let me know... I got the money on hand and i can get it to you in 2 secs flat with paypal...

[tekkie]

Totally agree with you, ION is pricy but the products are great. If they actually had it in stock and everyone did not need to go through all of these BS excuses they would sell a ton more of their products.

I am in the same boat as you, I would pay if it was going to be a couple of weeks but i dont want to wait months and months for an exhaust.


Dude its quality, money, function. Pick any two...

Anyways.. I'd buy a Ion Exhuast if they wait was not 3 month also... Hey ION this for you when u have an extra 3 inch turbo back exhaust sitting around, let me know... I got the money on hand and i can get it to you in 2 secs flat with paypal...

[Spooled]

I think iON should look into getting someone else to handle the shipping. There are a lot of companies (like UPS) that handle that type of thing. Yeah, it may cost them money, but think about all the extra exhausts they could sell if they could actually get them out in a reasonable amount of time. Any business owner should know that bubble-wrap isn't an acceptable excuse to the consumer.

[Ehawley]

I have the ION FMIC and 3" Turbo Back Exhaust. The wait sucked but the quality rocks. If I wanted to get aftermarket parts the next day, I would be driving a civic! I drive an MSP. I realize there is a much smaller market and companies which decide to risk their bottom line dishing out R&D costs for a limited production car are not likely to risk it further by carrying a large inventory.

Last I checked we lived in a free market economy, which makes all this debate rather silly. If you can get it sooner, cheaper, somewhere else, do it. Or you could always take the dive, design and produce a product yourself and cash in on this supposed untapped market of impatient owners with disposable income.

Would I purchase ION products again, even with the wait...You bet. When I spend money on something I try to get the best I can for the money I spend.

[michiganspeed]

I have the ION FMIC and 3" Turbo Back Exhaust. The wait sucked but the quality rocks. If I wanted to get aftermarket parts the next day, I would be driving a civic! I drive an MSP. I realize there is a much smaller market and companies which decide to risk their bottom line dishing out R&D costs for a limited production car are not likely to risk it further by carrying a large inventory.

Last I checked we lived in a free market economy, which makes all this debate rather silly. If you can get it sooner, cheaper, somewhere else, do it. Or you could always take the dive, design and produce a product yourself and cash in on this supposed untapped market of impatient owners with disposable income.

Would I purchase ION products again, even with the wait...You bet. When I spend money on something I try to get the best I can for the money I spend.

What he said!

[noclue119]

If I wanted to get aftermarket parts the next day, I would be driving a civic! I drive an MSP.
If you want aftermarket part the next day, i'd be considered a smart consumer... Here is how i think:

I can claim I got a 4 inch exhaust kit for you. It going to cost $2000, and it make 100+ hp... I'll give you a dyno graph which i made in photoshop and i'll provide photos of it too(photoshopped as well)... Then i tell you to wait 6 month after you paid... As soon as You pay, I disappear. what do u do now? you are out 2k and no product...

Granted ION is not a reflection of this from what I read, still its a trust issue in most people's minds.

[FSDET]

no clue u really r clueless haha

[Stormtrooper77]

Brullen exhausts and mufflers are high quality pieces.

[Bhamsan]

no clue u really r clueless haha
(uhm)

My thoughts exactly on what he wrote.

[terbow]

not sure where the info comes from, i kinda worded it wrong but i did mention its irrelevant if you make it or not. Im not a naysayer, to be honest i would buy the ion exhaust, look at it. I dont think that price is unreasonable, its well put together, PROVEN gains, theres nothing to argue. No ones forcing anyone to pay for it. If you dont want it then fine, theres always custom. Theyre the only ones making it now(true 3" Turboback)(there might be a few but i havent seen them personally so i might be wrong), others are in development, thats all there is to it. When theres more options then you have choices but limited run, mandrel bent, ss exhausts arent cheap. I know it first hand.


Where does anyone get this "info" anyways? The exhaust systems are all manufactured in house, from start to finish. And yes you're right about the limited quanity production; there are ~3500 MSP's in North America; we've factored our R&D costs etc over ~300 units which represents an approximate 8.6% of the total market which is a very accurate/conservative estimation.

[FSDET]

Brullen exhausts and mufflers are high quality pieces.
what ???
what are u talkin about ? a cat-back ? turbo back ? what does this have to do with iON ?????

[tekkie]

Brullen is making parts for ION, Brullen is based here in Toronto and do amazing work. A few of us have been bugging them to make the downpipe for us but they wont do it so either someone else is making the downpipe for ION or they have an agreement not to do it.

[daedalus]

daedalus (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=12608) - For all those skeptics out there, why don't we put up a challenge; if you can design, fabricate and produce our exhaust system for the cost that you were implying that our system costs to manufacture (including factoring in R&D costs/systen)~$900US, we will pay you to do it for us. Simple as that. Are you up to the challege? And FYI, MSRP on the exhaust is $1599US. Forum members automatically get a $200US discount. If the USD was as strong as it was 2 yrs ago, prices would definately reflect that. Unfortunately the USD relative to CAD is still on the decline.

iON Performance - I in no way am trying to attack the quality of your workmanship or the time, effort, and cost that went into development. You get what you pay for and I understand that. In fact, I will be ordering a turbo back from you this winter just to prove that very fact. Hope doing buisness with you is as good as people say it is. Peace.

[iON Performance]

Stormtrooper77 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=5443) - yes you're right, and hence the reason why some of our parts we have them manufacture under contract.

tekkie (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2107)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1206625", true); </SCRIPT> - They make some of our Subaru stuff under contract; and our cat-deletes for the Mazdas. The MSP turbo-backs etc are done in house. The reason why we have not contracted Brullen to do our MSP stuff is that they simply don't have the proper equipment or personal to work with the ultra tight radius stainless mandrels nor for TIG welding. [The stainless mandrels that we use to allow for clearance and proper tuned length is done by a hydroforming process; the same process used by BMW, Porsche etc to form some of their chassis components. Dies to do hydroforming is mucho expensive]

[tekkie]

Sorry my bad, either way they do great work I have seen some of the exhausts that they have done for MSP's. Their customer support is second to none from everyone that I know that has dealt with them.

tekkie (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2107)<script type="text/javascript"> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1206625", true); </script> - They make some of our Subaru stuff under contract; and our cat-deletes for the Mazdas. The MSP turbo-backs etc are done in house. The reason why we have no contracted Brullen to do our MSP stuff is that they simply don't have the proper equipment or personal to worth with the ultra tight radius stainless mandrels nor for TIG welding.[/QUOTE]

[iON Performance]

tekkie (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2107) - and we don't refute that fact; hence the reason why we've been working in conjunction with Brullen for so many years. The MSP systems that they've currently built are 2.5" and not 3" though.

[Bhamsan]

C'mon iON, make a webpage already!

[daedalus]

C'mon iON, make a webpage already!


ditto.

[raku]

im about to say ill make ion a webpage for free haha. ion if you are interested just pm me or soemthing, all m old sites are down but i can get something up quick(like tonight) and then something tight up in like 2 weeks.

[Bhamsan]

If not a new website, at least finish the old one!

[terbow]

they actually have a new one, but its still under construction.

[tekkie]

I think they have also done 3" systems, not that its important. I am glad to hear that you are working with good vendors such as them.

Here is the issue though, I can take my car over to them and pick it up the same day and its done, I order your exhaust and I wait waaaaay to long. Granted they do not have the exact same system and I am not saying that theirs is any better than yours because I dont think anyone disputes the fact that your system is amazing and that its the only turbo back exhaust.

What some of us are getting at is that the pieces you are making are not custom so why cant you stock them? you do realize that you are losing business because of this right? I just dont understand why you want to limit yourself like this when you could be selling more product. If I had a business and people told me that they would buy my products if I stocked them I would do it. I mean you dont need to make 100 of them you just need a few.

Everyone that has complained about ION says its because of the delays, product in stock = put in box and ship = 1 week to our door = very happy customer = better reviews because of quick response = more people buying = more money for ION = more spending cash for Jack (shocked) (yippy) pretty simple huh ;)

Seriously I just do not understand why you would not want to do that (shrug)


tekkie (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2107) - and we don't refute that fact; hence the reason why we've been working in conjunction with Brullen for so many years. The MSP systems that they've currently built are 2.5" and not 3" though.

[Stormtrooper77]

what ???
what are u talkin about ? a cat-back ? turbo back ? what does this have to do with iON ?????
Here you go:


I bought the N/A downpipe from them, and it's a wonderful product. But it was made by Brullen for them, not by them in particular; They have no particular 'shop', really. They just resell other products, made by others. They were responsive to communications, but yes, the delays were quite annoying. Especially when I had a blown secondary cat, and needed to replace it before I went insane.

They've been around in the Subaru world for quite some time, too, so you know.

[MazdaDryvr]

I wish I had Ion parts on my MSP. :(

[flat_black]

I have them on my P5. =) You should get some!

'Makes cars happy!'

[Bhamsan]

After seeing pics of the turboback exhaust, and listening to the sound clips of the TB exhaust with resonators, and all this talk aboit iON's exhaust being the shizz, I want one really really bad. Anyone interested in buying a GReddy SP2 and 2.5" Apex DP with high flow cat? Haha...

[hazeXban]

The wait time is all I have issue with. Ion, rough estimate, if I was to say Pay for the exhaust in december, how long would it take for you to ship it out to me? Also do you charge the whole thing in one shot or could you just take like 1/2 payment right away and get the other half when you ship it? I am not really comfortable paying a credit card bill and not having the thing I bought in my hands. So what I am saying is, can you do it like a car dealership, they don't charge you full till you have the car. Hope to do business once I can save up some moneys.

[Demonic-Speed]

Damn people...Try looking at their website before you bash it. They have had the new layout of the site up for almost 3 weeks....And it looks nice.....And tot he person who said you can throw a webpage together in 30min using publsiher....that is eactly why the web is full of all the crap that is out there.....

[Bhamsan]

Finish the website with a list of all products, prices, and maybe some pics, and mabe sponsor some cars while you're at it. If you want to sponsor mine, I'll switch over to all iON parts...HAHA!

[FSDET]

Damn people...Try looking at their website before you bash it. They have had the new layout of the site up for almost 3 weeks....And it looks nice.....And tot he person who said you can throw a webpage together in 30min using publsiher....that is eactly why the web is full of all the crap that is out there.....
Ion is not a computer company so we dont expect much from a website. just pictures of the products, brief explanation and a shopping cart which can be done in 30 minutes....
and im with tekkie, many ppl bought midpipes from Apexr1 cuz they had em in stock although they arent cheaper then iONs...