My Mazda 3 vs. New Honda Civic SiR [Archive]

Manny Fresh

08-19-2004, 03:56 AM

This dude in a new civic hatchback was being all cocky and following the path I was cutting through traffic. He kept up, big deal. I figured it was time to see what he could do to me off the line. So we came up to a red light and pulled up to me. He glanced over at me, but I kept my eyes on the prize. I wasn't going to let some cocky kid in his little Civic beat me.

We got off about the same time, but he was no match for me. I eventually let off and let him fly past me. He flew off with his tail tucked between his legs. He sped through the next red light, probably didn't wanna gimme the satisfaction of laughing at him.

Seriously though... should I have won? Civic SiR's have 160 hp(6500 rpm) and 132 lb(5000 rpm). They are much smaller, so should be lighter and faster. I'm no expert, that's just my analysis. I know that there are other factors such as that the factory graded hp isn't necessarily real world hp...

It's possible he was just a crappy driver. I dunno.

The race happened at approximately 1 am going southbound on 75th street and Argyll. A lot of cops down this street, so I'm lucky I didn't get a ticket.

Captain KRM P5

08-19-2004, 04:03 AM

good kill. About the most damning thing I've read on the new Civic Si is that the editors at Sport Compact Car preferred driving the new Ion Redline over it :D Your 3 has alot more low end grunt than what that little iVTEC can put out

harrison888

08-19-2004, 10:03 AM

These 2 car will be a very close match, it all depends on the driver. Civic Si has a much closer gear ratio than our 3s, so it revs faster than the 3s and has a higher rpm (at 55mph, it rev's at about 3K vs the 3s at 55mph revs at about 2.2-2.3K), and yes the 3s has a better low end power but you gotta think about the Civic will be at high rpm all the time.

xtrememps

08-19-2004, 10:13 AM

Heh, i toasted the a 90's Civic Si from a stop last year in my MSP, boy was he surprised.

harrison888

08-19-2004, 10:40 AM

Heh, i toasted the a 90's Civic Si from a stop last year in my MSP, boy was he surprised.

How much HP does your MSP has?

xtrememps

08-19-2004, 10:41 AM

Bone stock (spin)

Mazda3ofKent

08-19-2004, 01:11 PM

Not to say they are not any good civic driver out there, but alot of them are dumb, ignorant, and think they are the fastes thing on the road

acidbbg

08-19-2004, 01:18 PM

Good kill..

On the streets..it's alwayz a driver's race. B/c conditions are alwayz changing (turns, other cars, uneven pavements.

Where as on the track..it's a straight away..with a nice flat road.

sndsgood

08-19-2004, 05:56 PM

Not to say they are not any good civic driver out there, but alot of them are dumb, ignorant, and think they are the fastes thing on the road
that could be said about any car driver out there.

as for the cocky kid in the civic, sounds like your being just as cocky as you imagined him as being.

"This dude in a new civic hatchback was being all cocky and following the path I was cutting through traffic. He kept up, big deal"

a good line is a good line, i'd follow an escort through a good line if it got me thru traffic. this isnt being cocky.

"I figured it was time to see what he could do to me off the line."

u looking for a race, cocky.

"He glanced over at me, but I kept my eyes on the prize. I wasn't going to let some cocky kid in his little Civic beat me."

you wouldnt even agnowledge the guys cause u were keeping your eye on the prize? what did you win?

sorry just annoys me when people talk about how someone in another car was thinking they were all that. when the truth is, if you would have stopped and talked to the kid, chances are you were both alike and you could have made a new friend.

Mikey444

08-19-2004, 06:55 PM

Same thing happened to me a few months ago, this ford SUV was near me at a light, than comes the look, next thing you know I am hitting redline, perfect shifts, he ended up 3 car lengths behind me, had to slow down for the red light, he blew it at over 120 km/h (shocked) All my windows were open and I heard a really disgusting sound from his car as his tranny was going thru the gears.

Anyways, the important thing is that are Mazdas rape almost every other car on the road. And that makes me really happy (nana)

Manny Fresh

08-20-2004, 03:56 AM

that could be said about any car driver out there.

as for the cocky kid in the civic, sounds like your being just as cocky as you imagined him as being.

"This dude in a new civic hatchback was being all cocky and following the path I was cutting through traffic. He kept up, big deal"

a good line is a good line, i'd follow an escort through a good line if it got me thru traffic. this isnt being cocky.

"I figured it was time to see what he could do to me off the line."

u looking for a race, cocky.

"He glanced over at me, but I kept my eyes on the prize. I wasn't going to let some cocky kid in his little Civic beat me."

you wouldnt even agnowledge the guys cause u were keeping your eye on the prize? what did you win?

sorry just annoys me when people talk about how someone in another car was thinking they were all that. when the truth is, if you would have stopped and talked to the kid, chances are you were both alike and you could have made a new friend.

My experience with asian kids in Civics has been that they are all young, cocky, and ricers. Not my kind of crowd.

Sure I had a good line going, but for him to tail me all the way down kinda annoyed me. Plus this is at 1 in the morning, not much traffic. He was just trying to be an ass and goad me into a race, which he got. I wasn't looking for the race, it came to me. I was just taking my normal path home.

I didn't glance over at him, because I wanted to make sure I beat him. "The Prize" being that I won the race, and the satisfaction that would come from it. Besides, there are a lot of asian kids that'll shoot you if you even look at them the wrong way... could have been a safety issue.

If you knew the kind of kids we had around here, you'd probably have the same attitude. He had a stickered up Civic, but probably didn't have the parts in his car which corresponded to those stickers... way too many of those kids around if you ask me.

Ok, maybe I'm stereotyping, but you can't blame me for being cocky. After all, I beat him in a race, and he just kept on going through the next red light. That tells you how much he wanted to make friends with me.

But, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Thanks for your comments anyways.

jflo

08-20-2004, 04:36 AM

Anyways, the important thing is that are Mazdas rape almost every other car on the road. And that makes me really happy (nana)
not even close...almost every car ? it's fun to believe that until you're beaten unsuspectingly. watch out and don't be too confident

jflo

08-20-2004, 04:41 AM

My experience with asian kids in Civics has been that they are all young, cocky, and ricers. Not my kind of crowd.

Sure I had a good line going, but for him to tail me all the way down kinda annoyed me. Plus this is at 1 in the morning, not much traffic. He was just trying to be an ass and goad me into a race, which he got. I wasn't looking for the race, it came to me. I was just taking my normal path home.

I didn't glance over at him, because I wanted to make sure I beat him. "The Prize" being that I won the race, and the satisfaction that would come from it. Besides, there are a lot of asian kids that'll shoot you if you even look at them the wrong way... could have been a safety issue.

If you knew the kind of kids we had around here, you'd probably have the same attitude. He had a stickered up Civic, but probably didn't have the parts in his car which corresponded to those stickers... way too many of those kids around if you ask me.

Ok, maybe I'm stereotyping, but you can't blame me for being cocky. After all, I beat him in a race, and he just kept on going through the next red light. That tells you how much he wanted to make friends with me.

But, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Thanks for your comments anyways.
this is the kind of mentality that'll get you into where that "asian kid in a civic" is. safety issue ? safety isn't just the person you're racing and the other people around you. it's also yourself. sure, that guy in the civic was being a jerk and tailing you, but that doesn't mean he was cocky. you were cocky enough to race him, even though you knew you were in an area with a lot of cops. nobody's blaming you for being cocky, you really brought it upon yourself when you kept your eyes on the prize.

Airman Jack

08-20-2004, 08:57 AM

Why can't people just find the nearest track and attend an open lapping day? Fast AND safe at the same time?! Heaven forbid! My brother in law hooked me up with one at Shannonville just east of Belleville, Ontario and DAMN was it fun! I'll post some pics tonight when I get home if you guys want. (of a car that is strikingly similar to mine.. but of course, is not mine..:D)

splitvizion

08-20-2004, 12:17 PM

I have a good one. I was on the highway two nights ago, just cruizin along when a ford Escort Es hatch pulled next to me and the guy and his friends were edging me on to race them. Pointing,laughing(for what I don't know) you know the deal. So I gave him what he wanted, droped it down to fourth and just completely torched him. So I eventually slow down and here he comes blows past me laughing, so again, dropped it down into fourth and blew by him again even with his full speed run at me. It just kills me how someone could think that a car like that is cappable of beating a car like our Mz3. I mean, this thing was beat. The kid actually lives around my town. I actually have a pic of the killed car because it was so hilarious to me what he has done to this car.
http://www.msprotege.com/members/splitvizion/welsey%20peters%20red%20escort.jpg

splitvizion

08-20-2004, 12:18 PM

Tell me that shit ain't funny.

yeeeeaaaahhh, OK

timba24

08-20-2004, 12:38 PM

My experience with asian kids in Civics has been that they are all young, cocky, and ricers. Not my kind of crowd.

Sure I had a good line going, but for him to tail me all the way down kinda annoyed me. Plus this is at 1 in the morning, not much traffic. He was just trying to be an ass and goad me into a race, which he got. I wasn't looking for the race, it came to me. I was just taking my normal path home.

I didn't glance over at him, because I wanted to make sure I beat him. "The Prize" being that I won the race, and the satisfaction that would come from it. Besides, there are a lot of asian kids that'll shoot you if you even look at them the wrong way... could have been a safety issue.

If you knew the kind of kids we had around here, you'd probably have the same attitude. He had a stickered up Civic, but probably didn't have the parts in his car which corresponded to those stickers... way too many of those kids around if you ask me.

Ok, maybe I'm stereotyping, but you can't blame me for being cocky. After all, I beat him in a race, and he just kept on going through the next red light. That tells you how much he wanted to make friends with me.

But, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Thanks for your comments anyways.

damn I dont even know what to say about the stereotypes in this one but shit I am half asian so does that mean I am a dangerous cocky ricer? um no ethnicity, creed, background has nothing to do with it so it shouldnt even be mentioned

goldwing2000

08-20-2004, 12:39 PM

I have a good one. I was on the highway two nights ago, just cruizin along when a ford Escort Es hatch pulled next to me and the guy and his friends were edging me on to race them... ...I actually have a pic of the killed car because it was so hilarious to me what he has done to this car.

:wtf: (boom07)

goldwing2000

08-20-2004, 12:44 PM

damn I dont even know what to say about the stereotypes in this one but shit I am half asian so does that mean I am a dangerous cocky ricer? um no ethnicity, creed, background has nothing to do with it so it shouldnt even be mentioned

Maybe things are different in Alberta? (dunno)

I know there are no Asian gangs around here. Even if there were random Asian kids walking around causing trouble, they'd have a helluva time overpowering the black gangs and crackheads.

Not to mention the gun-toting self-defense vigilante-types. *ahem* (naughty)

Manny Fresh

08-20-2004, 02:40 PM

No offense, I'm of asian ethnicity too. And the violence that has happened here over the past 5 or so years for the most part has been linked to asian gangs. They even went at each other during a wedding for fucks sake. I've had friends involved in this sort of stuff, so I know what type of things to look for... clothing, tatoo, cars, etc.

Not saying that the dude I raced was one, it was just a possibility.

It was a good race, and we were both being cocky. Let's just leave it at that.

timba24

08-20-2004, 02:50 PM

never thought things in alberta would be high asian gand areas but again I am from the SF bay area and know how that all works very well but man do I miss china town lol

splitvizion

08-21-2004, 10:33 AM

yeah I think thats pretty F'd up that whoever would refer to someone in a negative ratially biased comment. You should have just said ricer if anything. Lets not start any unwanted tension in this community. How about that Escort ES. Petty sweet. LOL

Mazda3ofKent

08-21-2004, 11:17 AM

bvmazda3

08-22-2004, 06:15 PM

I have a good one. I was on the highway two nights ago, just cruizin along when a ford Escort Es hatch pulled next to me and the guy and his friends were edging me on to race them. Pointing,laughing(for what I don't know) you know the deal. So I gave him what he wanted, droped it down to fourth and just completely torched him. So I eventually slow down and here he comes blows past me laughing, so again, dropped it down into fourth and blew by him again even with his full speed run at me. It just kills me how someone could think that a car like that is cappable of beating a car like our Mz3. I mean, this thing was beat. The kid actually lives around my town. I actually have a pic of the killed car because it was so hilarious to me what he has done to this car.

Man, I've seen Escorts that could blow the doors off of early-90's Taurus station wagons! You better watch out, I think that guy was just toying with you!

I saw a Kia Spectra R/T yesterday, sporting a wing that would make a Roadrunner (http://ftp.uni-bremen.de/aminet/dirs/aminet/pix/vehic/Roadrunner.jpg) blush. I was fearful.

splitvizion

08-25-2004, 07:44 PM

If you could look closer at this thing you would puke. The hood scoop is def. not functional, it has neon valve caps, neon washer nozzles, like 3 differant 10" subs in seperate boxes all made by radioshack/wallmart/wherever. Its fuckin hilarious how deep this shit goes.

Americanzer0

08-26-2004, 02:21 AM

Ummm... guyz, I don't want to sound mean, but you do realize that the Ford Escort, and the Zx2, And the Mercury Tracer are all based upon Mazda platforms, and that that there are Escorts out there that will wax the ass of almost all "Mazda" products, let alone be touched by "Evo's & STi's" .... the real car people here will know of what I talk about when I say these infamous words: "Cosworth Escort"

Also check out www.escortracing.com for anyone interested in anything Ford Escort related to (and that includes Mazda Protégé's, and 91-96 EGT's)...

*For the official record though, I believe I can speak for the entire Escort community when I say that Escort mentioned above is disgraceful to both Mazda and Ford motor companies...

jflo

08-26-2004, 02:29 AM

the cosworth escort isn't available to the north american public, so who cares ? and escorts that will destroy most mazda products ? do you mean the highly specialized and modified escorts ?

splitvizion

08-26-2004, 09:34 AM

dude for a second I thought that you were defending that escort in the picture. That is a disgrace to anybody that is into modding cars. I 'm not cracking jokes because it is ford. I am aware of what Mazda and Ford have in common. I am cracking jokes because it is tthat ford with those cheasy ass mods. Its like a rolling Advanced auto add. What not to do to your car. Def. not good taste.

Theres really only one car company that I really think is all around garbage, and that is Chevy. I would rather walk then drive a chevy. Just my opinion.

goldwing2000

08-26-2004, 09:58 AM

Theres really only one car company that I really think is all around garbage, and that is Chevy. I would rather walk then drive a chevy. Just my opinion.

And by what divine providence have you arrived at this opinion?

Sir. SpeedALot

08-26-2004, 12:07 PM

Theres really only one car company that I really think is all around garbage, and that is Chevy. I would rather walk then drive a chevy. Just my opinion.

To piggyback on Goldwing....

(Theoretically speaking) Splitz is probably one of those people that put those stickers on their car where Calvin is pissing on another car manufacturer like Ford, Chevy, Honda, etc.

It always amazes me that people can be so passionate about something that is soooo irrelevant. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the 1st Amendment, but please, statements like that just make you look ignorant.

Now, if you came to that conclusion because of valid reasons (i.e. your friend was driving a Chevy when it spontaneously combusted and killed him or you've owned 5 different Chevy's and they all qualified under the "lemon law", then you have a valid statement, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Sorry to pick on you Splitz, but I don't really understand why people come to conclusions like this.

zoom-zoom2

08-26-2004, 12:33 PM

damn I dont even know what to say about the stereotypes in this one but shit I am half asian so does that mean I am a dangerous cocky ricer? um no ethnicity, creed, background has nothing to do with it so it shouldnt even be mentioned

The fact is that in Edmonton Asian gangs are a huge problem. It also happens to be these Asian gang members that are driving around these riced out imports. In Edmonton, the only people that could possibly find a riced out car attractive, are the kind of people that sell crystal meth to children.

d3m0n1c50ld13r

08-29-2004, 02:12 PM

Here's a Escort wagon against a WRX

www.erdt-socal.com/images/misc/drag.wmv

here's an escort racing an EVO

http://www.hyperlnks.com/escortgtx/EscortGTvsLancer.WMV

splitvizion

08-30-2004, 02:33 PM

Ok, we have some real assholes on here. Thats whats up.

Stickers of Calvin pissing on whatever, ahhhh no. You will not find any stickers on my car unless it is a club I am involved in or if someday I am luck enough to have someone sponser me. Not a ricer over here. Everything that gets added onto my car is done in good taste.

Not to sure how passionate I am about not liking a certain manufactured car but if you had friends that owned alot of chevys and never saw anything good come out of it, then you would probbally come to the same conclusion as I have.
Friend #1: (3) Berretas all had the motor or tranny blow before 100,000
Friend #2: 2002 Chevy Cavalier with 150 miles. Three months later the engine blew up. Had to file for a lemon law with Chevy.

These are few examples of why I have come to the conclusion. It was not ignorance that brought me to that conclusion. Before people start flaming on someone, they should ask (WHY?) before they speak and make themselves the ignorant one. And the comment about someone not being a "real car guy". How ignorant is that statement. You tell me what a real car guy is? Flame on Flamers. I'm Rick James Bitch.

goldwing2000

08-30-2004, 02:57 PM

Lighten up, Splitz (and Sir Speed, to a lesser extent).

Nobody called you any names, it was just asked that you clarify your position on Chevys.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion! Berretas and Cavaliers are hardly the flagship models of the Chevrolet lineup but I'm not going to argue back and forth with you about why Chevys are or are not crap or question the driving habits of your friends. Personally, I've always owned Chevys and never had major problems with them. Obviously your friends' experiences have been different.
There are people who think Mazdas are crap.
Personally, I think Jaguars are crap.
It's all opinions and personal experience.

Yes, the Calvin sticker comment was out of line (and said mostly in jest) but that's the type of response your comment, "I would rather walk then drive a chevy," will draw. It doesn't make Speed an asshole. He just responded with the same tone as you made your statement.

You have to admit that there are a LOT of people who are militant about not liking a certain kind of car. When you ask them why, they say, "BECAUSE THEY SUCK!!" and don't provide any real reasons.

He did later qualify his statement:

Now, if you came to that conclusion because of valid reasons... ...then you have a valid statement...

You do have reasons for your opinions, you provided those reasons, so we'll just leave it at that.

Try not to get so worked up about other people's comments. It'll give you an ulcer. (nana)

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