SRT-4 Jumping???

[kazson]

Whats with so many members trading in thier MSP for a SRT-4 lately?

I took a look at one today and besides the Front bumper (which looks MEAN (2thumbs) ) and the engine the SRT-4 is a HUGE downgrade in car.....

add the fact that dealers in my area are selling them for $23,000 when i got my MSP for $15,900 (scratch)

And when it comes to performance the MSP community is finally making some good ground in the Horsepower dept.

I mean the Rims/Tires, the quailty of the paint ( The one i saw at the dealer ALREADY had paint chipping), interior....oh well i guess to each his own

[122 Vega]

What's a trade in?

Britt

[sickspeed94]

it's easy, warrantyable horsepower (and we all know how excellent mazda's warranty dept is!), and plus that exhaust note is pretty nice, i personally would never trade my MSP for an SRT-4, but i could see why some would.

-GC

[vodapas77]

Bottom line, bang for the buck. No car out their delivers with as much (potential) horse power for so little. And, as was said above, the warranty covers many factory approved add ons that bring a lot more power to the game.

As you said, to each their own. I too would never trade away my MSP for an SRT-4. But, for someone who cares little about appearance and a lot about big HP numbers, it is the perfect car.

[DRKBLU zx3]

The SRT-4 is one of the best cars on the market. alot of horse power for a cheap price.(compared to the RSX Type-S, Mazda6s, and other cars under 23k) i'd get one if i could but if i owned a MSP i wouldn't because the MSP was only in production for 1 year. Plus, Dodge takes very good care of there buyers.

[Autox MSP]

A used LS1 Camaro can be had less then 20k and can smoke an SRT4 all day long.

[Dr.Sound]

no SRT-4 for me.
test drove one.
felt a little slower than my MSP........i'm sure it could be made much faster, but the whole car doesn't appeal to me.

[122 Vega]

And, as was said above, the warranty covers many factory approved add ons that bring a lot more power to the game.
This is simply not true. 5 minutes on the SRT board and you will see the massive warranty problems with "approved" add-ons. No Mopar Performance parts maintain the factory warranty. You will still be in the same "Mag-Moss" situation even with the MP parts. I know we have covered this before several times.

FYI, the 05 SRTs are coming with a 3'36 warranty instead of the 7/100 that the 04s have. Does that tell you anything about Mopar's backing?

Britt

[protegeV]

no SRT-4 for me.
test drove one.
felt a little slower than my MSP........i'm sure it could be made much faster, but the whole car doesn't appeal to me.yur obviously doing SOMETHING wrong...yur talking high 13sec car compared to a 15flat car...(uhm)

[protegeV]

This is simply not true. 5 minutes on the SRT board and you will see the massive warranty problems with "approved" add-ons. No Mopar Performance parts maintain the factory warranty. You will still be in the same "Mag-Moss" situation even with the MP parts. I know we have covered this before several times.

FYI, the 05 SRTs are coming with a 3'36 warranty instead of the 7/100 that the 04s have. Does that tell you anything about Mopar's backing?

BrittI've heard this myth too...

Basically what you have to look at is, its gonna take warranty voiding mods to bring the power of every stock vehicle in its class to match the stock warrantyable power of an SRT-4...

[122 Vega]

True. However, up a long grade highway, my brother, (driving my MSP and me driving the SRT) pulled away from me from 45 mph in 3rd gear. the SRT has a nice boost bleed function to drop psi towards redline. Hit 5500 rpm and it starts to fall on it's face.

Britt

[jurgs01]

I think it's ugly (the SRT-4). Not many cars I know get the looks that a freshly waxed black mica MSP gets with a CF hood:)

[122 Vega]

I want to lose the wing, but my wife likes it and it is her car. I desperately needs to be lowered and needs some better struts. Even GRM this month talks about how unpredicatble the car is with the tail end.

And it's not spicy orange!

[vodapas77]

This is simply not true. 5 minutes on the SRT board and you will see the massive warranty problems with "approved" add-ons. No Mopar Performance parts maintain the factory warranty. You will still be in the same "Mag-Moss" situation even with the MP parts. I know we have covered this before several times.

FYI, the 05 SRTs are coming with a 3'36 warranty instead of the 7/100 that the 04s have. Does that tell you anything about Mopar's backing?

Britt
I stand corrected. Not gonna argue with a man who has first hand experience with both.

[Dr.Sound]

yur obviously doing SOMETHING wrong...yur talking high 13sec car compared to a 15flat car...(uhm)now, who said my car was 15 sec? ;)

[speedhawaii]

i know yours isnt vic

[Dr.Sound]

on the other hand....do u guys know anyone with MSP who is running 500hp on stock internals?
i dont :)

[Wha'Happened]

^^^ Mine!! that guy who you are referring to blew his motor BTW

[SoniCraze]

or forged for that matter.......500! hahahah

[EVILSRT]

^^^ Mine!! that guy who you are referring to blew his motor BTW
Correct, but his current motor is 600+WHP on stock internals.......(lol2)

[spicynamja]

My friend owns an SRT-4. Amazingly fast car. Its like a monster. The handling is a bit floaty though, can't corner without some money spent on suspension. Our car is quite quirky it seems but I love the fact that it is limited edition, and the styling is much hotter. Also the SRT-4 seems to have massive clutch issues.

[muohio]

Some people trade in the car for the next new thing all the time. I still remember a guy that would always have the newest car on the market. Once he traded in his 1 year old Prelude for a new one because it was in white. I think his last car cost him 10k more becuase of all the dollars rolled over. For some people, they will get the SRT4, play with it for a year, and then trade it in on something else.

[Focus]

What is all the extra power worth in the car if you can't put it in to use except for straight line?

[vodapas77]

What is all the extra power worth in the car if you can't put it in to use except for straight line?
lol. I love this conception that Neons (or SRT-4s) can't handle. Obviously they aren't on par with the MSP, but then again the MSP isn't on par with the SRT-4 for power. But, keep in mind that shortly after the Neon's release it became a favorite with SCCA members as a cheap econo box for Auto-X. Theres a reason for that. It handles very well for an every day commuter and with a few suspension tweaks it was very competitive with much more expensive vehicles through the cones.

[Focus]

lol. I love this conception that Neons (or SRT-4s) can't handle. Obviously they aren't on par with the MSP, but then again the MSP isn't on par with the SRT-4 for power. But, keep in mind that shortly after the Neon's release it became a favorite with SCCA members as a cheap econo box for Auto-X. Theres a reason for that. It handles very well for an every day commuter and with a few suspension tweaks it was very competitive with much more expensive vehicles through the cones.

Let me rephrase what I said. And BTW I have several friends with SRT-4s.

In my OWN experience, driving both vehicles. Yes the SRT-4 has power but it will not handle as well. My Mazdaspeed is also in the 13's on the 1/4.


And the quality is piss poor. Just the other day at the track my buddy broke 3 studs just removing the nuts so he can put his slicks on. He is always complaining about some thing on the car.

You can bring me 100 articles that say this and that about each one of the cars. Nothing beats actually driving them both and comparing.

[vodapas77]

Let me rephrase what I said. And BTW I have several friends with SRT-4s.

In my OWN experience, driving both vehicles. Yes the SRT-4 has power but it will not handle as well. My Mazdaspeed is also in the 13's on the 1/4.


And the quality is piss poor. Just the other day at the track my buddy broke 3 studs just removing the nuts so he can put his slicks on. He is always complaining about some thing on the car.

You can bring me 100 articles that say this and that about each one of the cars. Nothing beats actually driving them both and comparing.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you on any of that. I was just commenting on the general conception that SRT-4s can't handle. They can handle. Just not as well as a MP3 or MSP. :D

[rocketspeed]

I'd probably trade my MSP for one if I owed less on the MSP. I like the power. I like the MSP too, but I like the power of the SRT-4.

[srtchick]

Well, i test drove one the other day & what can i say.. i fell in love with it, so much more pep on the hwy than my speed & more upgrades I'd think i'd have ALOT more fun adding stuff to this car because it can handle it! yeah i love my msp but i think its time for something new (lol2)

[xtrememps]

I test drove the srt-4 and liked the engine a lot, that's about it. The shifter annoyed the hell out of me (felt like I was driving a truck), the rear roll down windows were a big no-no with me since i like to randomly roll down all my windows if the weather is nice and back up if i get on the high-way, plus it's an american car...and everyone I know has had some sort of major issue with theirs.

[AutoBox]

Well, i test drove one the other day & what can i say.. i fell in love with it, so much more pep on the hwy than my speed & more upgrades I'd think i'd have ALOT more fun adding stuff to this car because it can handle it! yeah i love my msp but i think its time for something new (lol2)
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!! i would get one.....if i didnt plan on gettin a evo so bad lol

[orangezoom]

TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!! i would get one.....if i didnt plan on gettin a evo so bad lol
I am with you, that is my next car. EVO. With the money I have spent on my speed I could have had one already.

[xtrememps]

I was thinking about an EVO, but I kinda like the whole sleeper Protege idea better...even though a modded EVO can smoke a severely modded msp...but I never see any modded EVO's around me anyway lol.

EDIT: Rofl, i have 69 posts...i dont think i'll post anymore.

[AutoBox]

I am with you, that is my next car. EVO. With the money I have spent on my speed I could have had one already.
yeh the evo mr is just too tempting..i was plannin to get a evo once im done my ba degree but i cant wait.....doin a few mods to the msp and then its "piggy bank" time for the evo

[DigitalHeadShot]

I was thinking about an EVO, but I kinda like the whole sleeper Protege idea better...even though a modded EVO can smoke a severely modded msp...but I never see any modded EVO's around me anyway lol.

EDIT: Rofl, i have 69 posts...i dont think i'll post anymore.

come and play with my evo tehehehe...... lol

anyways, comeon guys the neon is fast but puts down WAY to much torque. My buddy at work has a neon that he blows each and every paycheck on. He has so much torque that he cant get traction even with the largest tires on the market. (im talking slicks at that) in order to use all this super power he just had to have and what most people seem to think is GREAT he will have to cut his car all to hell. The point is sure you can get power galore but you dont have the traction to play with it. He only runs a 12.9 or 12.8 with well into the 300 hp. I personal dont like it but then again im a rally or auto x kinnda guy. The craftsmenship of the car's chassis is horried. Plus that car always seem to have to be tooled on. MY buddy seems to always have to fix something. Im not just talking about results of power im talking about just crap like windshield wipers, interior etc. Oh did I mention when I test drove a stock one before I bought the msp the car felt more raggady than a 92 civic cx I used to have?

[srtchick]

well i USED to hate the SRT-4 with a passion -might I add- & swore id never buy another domestic again. BUT it grew on me after seein the aftermarket support which mazda=shit. its overall best bang for the the buck period & i cant wait to get it.:D

[MazdaDryvr]

I've never driven a SRT-4 (the dealers here dont let people test drive them) but i did go for a cruise in a Spec-V the other day. It pulls nicely through each gear. I wish the MSP had nice linear acceleration like that. Too bad they're butt ugly! :) All in all, I'm quite happy with my MSP and I havent even modded it yet. With a FMIC and 2.5" turbo back exhaust I think it'll be fast enough to satisfy my needs. I'm no racer, just a daily driver who likes to pass people. ;)

[ONRAILS]

Traitor!!!




Well, i test drove one the other day & what can i say.. i fell in love with it, so much more pep on the hwy than my speed & more upgrades I'd think i'd have ALOT more fun adding stuff to this car because it can handle it! yeah i love my msp but i think its time for something new (lol2)

[srtchick]

(kissass)(lol2) (butt)

[ONRAILS]

Just curious... how do SRT-4's fair in accidents? Has anyone seen, or heard?

[srtchick]

heres one :http://141.157.157.99/sdc/wreckgallery/ (http://141.157.157.99/sdc/wreckgallery/)

[muohio]

Personally, I can only take so much power on a FWD car before it becomes pointless. The SRT4 stock is right around that limit before modification. On the other hand, I paid $5k less for my MSP which can be modded to equal a stock SRT4 very easily for under $2k safely. Just there I saved $3k to spend on something else and I have a car that I really like. Plus no matter which car I had, the warranty would be voided anyways. If I really wanted a hp monster, I would go with RWD or AWD and actually enjoy the power.

[MazdaDryvr]

If I really wanted a hp monster, I would go with RWD or AWD and actually enjoy the power.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
My thoughts as well. Helllloooo STI!!! :D

[rocketspeed]

[QUOTE=DigitalHeadShot]come and play with my evo tehehehe...... lol

anyways, comeon guys the neon is fast but puts down WAY to much torque. [QUOTE]

You sound like that guy in that movie "Major League" - "It's too high!, too high!" as a home run shoots about 100 feet over the fence.

Not too much torque to run 13's out of the box. Its getting some traction somewhere! Not trying to gush about the SRT-4 since its far from perfect, but that just made me chuckle.

[chowhoundMSP]

I agree with digitalheadshot! My brother bought an evo as soon as they were released here, and that car just blew me away! Its hard to explain but I have driven it hard a few times and it seems almost impossible to get those tires to break loose, every once and while you get a chirp out of them. If you try to give it a hard start, it just goes forward with no delay! Its an incredible feeling. I only wish the MSP was AWD!!! That would be nice.

That was a bit off-topic.....but as far as the SRT goes, im impartial to it, cant say i like it until i drive it. Looks dont do anything for me, especially from behind, it just looks like an r/t with a big wing!

[muohio]

[QUOTE=DigitalHeadShot]come and play with my evo tehehehe...... lol

anyways, comeon guys the neon is fast but puts down WAY to much torque. [QUOTE]

You sound like that guy in that movie "Major League" - "It's too high!, too high!" as a home run shoots about 100 feet over the fence.

Not too much torque to run 13's out of the box. Its getting some traction somewhere! Not trying to gush about the SRT-4 since its far from perfect, but that just made me chuckle.
The problem is that I want to drive my car daily. Out of the 15k I put on a year, how much of that is actually spent on a drag strip? You really can't run slicks everyday that would be able to use any of that power.

[hellcat]

A used LS1 Camaro can be had less then 20k and can smoke an SRT4 all day long.

You better take a look at the srt-4 fourums kill section before you make a statement like that.

[srtchick]

(werd) www.srtforums.com (http://www.srtforums.com)

[kazson]

the only thing i would trade my MSP for as this point is a STI,EVO,350z or RX-8 going from a MSP to a SRT-4 its kinda pointless (monkey2)

[muohio]

You better take a look at the srt-4 fourums kill section before you make a statement like that.
Every car that runs faster than a LS1 powered FBody has some type of modification. An FBody weighs around 3500lbs giving it a 11.7:1 weight power ratio. The SRT4 would need around 260hp to match which is possible, but only when the SRT4 can use 12psi. They are very close, but again you don't have to use slicks with the FBody to get those times.

[acidbbg]

The reason why so many people are jumping ship:

Horsepower per $$$ =Srt-4 Winner.
Aftermarket = Srt-4 Winner.

nuff said.

chas
p.s. mazda's have alwayz been know for their handling...not power!

[StreakinOraNgeX]

The SRT-4 is embraced and glorfiied in the aftermarket so much shit out for it... 800 dollar turbo back systems plus everything we got and so much more. Plus. wtf the Mopar licensed by Dodge gives them upgrades to their ecu's and fuel injector en all that shit. My friend has a stage 2 mopar upgrade to his car that instead of pushed the regular 12 psi , it pushes 16 psi. Yea that car has too much power on the street for 20 g's... my conclusion it makes a mockery out of all the people that work hard to put mad horsepower down on the front drive cars. Shit everyone can buy a low 14 second car high 13 (believe me) second car for around 20 grand, now that's way too easy to get power. Oh, and the mopar blow off valve sucks ass!!!!!

[srtchick]

(scratch) y do u think th mopar BOV sucks ass ?

[II-Savy]

(scratch) y do u think th mopar BOV sucks ass ?
Most of the parts motor back suck ass.

[AGR]

I Love my MazdaSpeed! (k) (k) (k)


But; to each their own.

[mspdfreak]

You guys are all missing one very important difference in these cars...insurance. The srt-4 is about double the monthly rate of the MSP. Why? Because the srt-4 has become so popular among ricer-boys, that the accident rate is sky-high. Add to that the fact that the average age of the srt-4 owner is 18, as compared to 22 for the msp. For example, my rate @ progressive is $76 a month. When I called and asked about the same coverage they quoted me $152! So if I were you, I'd take that into consideration.

As far as warrantable mods for the srt-4, forget it. The dealer may sell you the stage one kit and install it, but any part of the engine that fails due to the mod, your warranty is toast.

[FBI14]

[QUOTE=DigitalHeadShot]come and play with my evo tehehehe...... lol



You sound like that guy in that movie "Major League" - "It's too high!, too high!" as a home run shoots about 100 feet over the fence.


Im not laughing about the fact you tried to make him sound goofy just that, that quote is classic, they argue about for a few mintues afterwards too. LOL

[FBI14]

As many have pointed out, the bang for the buck thing is the biggest reason why to swtich over. But as others have pointed out the SRT is alwasy in need of being fixed, insurance is sky high so your paying a cheap amount to buy it but then your spending the amount you would on a car double its price to maintain and keep the car.

[StreakinOraNgeX]

(scratch) y do u think th mopar BOV sucks ass ?
It sounds hella bootsy compared to a nice j spec bov like the greddy. It doesn't sound agressive at all.

[Dr.Sound]

by the time i graduate, evo MR will come out.
this will be the ONLY car i will trade my MSP for.

as for SRT's ability to withstand an accident......i wonder if i would be typing this if i rolled SRT 12 times.......?

[protegeV]

......i wonder if i would be typing this if i rolled SRT 12 times.......?or any other car for that matter!!!(boom07)

[srtchick]

Not true at all (insurance) i checked on it already & its like 5 bucks more a year, & its not like im keeping it for years & years anyway just play with it for a year then on to the next (lol2)(enguard)




As many have pointed out, the bang for the buck thing is the biggest reason why to swtich over. But as others have pointed out the SRT is alwasy in need of being fixed, insurance is sky high so your paying a cheap amount to buy it but then your spending the amount you would on a car double its price to maintain and keep the car.

[TampaBlackMSP]

This is probably the first MSP/SRT thread I've read where maturity and intelligent comments rule! I'm so proud of everyone... :D

I'm like others though - the ONLY cars I'd trade mine for (no particular order, I'd have to drive them): STI, EVO, R32, 350, RX8. I have a feeling I'd have serious buyer's remorse after owning an SRT (but that's a guess, not a proclamation!).

All in all I'm pretty happy with my MSP - and nothing beats the limited production aspect!! (2thumbs)

[AGR]

This is probably the first MSP/SRT thread I've read where maturity and intelligent comments rule! I'm so proud of everyone... :D

I'm like others though - the ONLY cars I'd trade mine for (no particular order, I'd have to drive them): STI, EVO, R32, 350, RX8. I have a feeling I'd have serious buyer's remorse after owning an SRT (but that's a guess, not a proclamation!).

All in all I'm pretty happy with my MSP - and nothing beats the limited production aspect!! (2thumbs)
I Concur! (2thumbs)

[xtrememps]

Well, I was thinking about taking a nice vacation...lol (yes)


come and play with my evo tehehehe...... lol

anyways, comeon guys the neon is fast but puts down WAY to much torque. My buddy at work has a neon that he blows each and every paycheck on. He has so much torque that he cant get traction even with the largest tires on the market. (im talking slicks at that) in order to use all this super power he just had to have and what most people seem to think is GREAT he will have to cut his car all to hell. The point is sure you can get power galore but you dont have the traction to play with it. He only runs a 12.9 or 12.8 with well into the 300 hp. I personal dont like it but then again im a rally or auto x kinnda guy. The craftsmenship of the car's chassis is horried. Plus that car always seem to have to be tooled on. MY buddy seems to always have to fix something. Im not just talking about results of power im talking about just crap like windshield wipers, interior etc. Oh did I mention when I test drove a stock one before I bought the msp the car felt more raggady than a 92 civic cx I used to have?

[redwagon02]

I'd trade in my protege5 for an SRT-4. But I have been making car payments for 12 straights years('92 saturn sc, '92 mustang gt, '94 civic coupe ex, '95 splash sc + '95 miata, '99 10ae miata + '02 p5).

I wanna know it feels to not have a car note. That's the only thing that keeps me from getting one.

[M=SP^2]

I just don't undestand people willing to take such a big financial hit by trading in their car after having it for less then a year. Whatever tickles you pickle I guess (dunno)

[FBI14]

by the time i graduate, evo MR will come out.

If Mistsubishi is still making cars ;)

[FBI14]

Not true at all (insurance) i checked on it already & its like 5 bucks more a year, & its not like im keeping it for years & years anyway just play with it for a year then on to the next
I was just saying in in a general sense, and for you its cheap but someone else who checked out a quoted saw a rather decent increase ( Not true at all? ) and others have first hand experience with seeing their friends always reparing something with their SRT-4

[122 Vega]

You guys are all missing one very important difference in these cars...insurance. The srt-4 is about double the monthly rate of the MSP. Why? Because the srt-4 has become so popular among ricer-boys, that the accident rate is sky-high. Add to that the fact that the average age of the srt-4 owner is 18, as compared to 22 for the msp. For example, my rate @ progressive is $76 a month. When I called and asked about the same coverage they quoted me $152! So if I were you, I'd take that into consideration.

Well, my insurance is cheaper on the SRT by about $6 per month. The way they come up with the cost is a per capita ratio. A lot more SRTs were built, a lot more were wrecked. Few MSPs, few wrecked. The ratio is similar. My insurance went up $3 per month on the MSP after one year, State Farm adjusted it after the number of claims in that first year.

I put my Hotchkis bars on last night, and the SRT handling was way better. If you read GRM this month, Mark Daddio states that it is the most difficult car to drive that he has ever experienced.

I will continue to prefer my MSP over the SRT. It looks better, handles way better, the shifter is better, the stereo is better. The only thing IMO that the SRT has over the MSP is drivability. Not necessarily the power, but the way it is delivered. It is nice and smooth until the boost bleed hits. It is polite in traffic, and never gets heat soak.

"Too much torque" what the hell is too much torque?

My MSP still gets about 2500 miles per month, the SRT is 2 months old and I have 900 miles on it. To make the car's handling acceptable, I have done the swaybars, and will be doing springs and Tokicos and strut bars very soon.

To all who say that $2k into the MSP will smoke an SRT, that is probably true. But $2k into the SRT and it will smoke the MSP. Food for thought.
Britt

[MrFoggy]

One word: Bandwagon.

[mp5jeff]

haha yet another msp vs. srt-4 thread, from now on they should be deleted upon start IMO...this has been beaten to DEATH already.

[jred321]

why would anyone spend that much on an srt when you can get a nice 2002 s4 for about the same price? that's what i'm jumping ship to as of now, won't be for a few months though probably

[II-Savy]

why would anyone spend that much on an srt when you can get a nice 2002 s4 for about the same price? that's what i'm jumping ship to as of now, won't be for a few months though probably
Word, I love S4's. Only trouble is when they break, it's big bucks to fix. Even small things that go wrong will be 100's to fix. German cars are nice but expensive to fix.

[mp5jeff]

yep, i remember when a piece of weatherstripping came unglued from my ml320 on the sunroof and it was already at the dealership so i asked if they could go ahead and put a new one on, they told me it would be like 150 dollars, for a piece of 2 dollar weatherstripping...i basically laughed and said forget it and glued it back myself(took 5 mins)

[Mx6GT91]

Heres what I think about the SRT-4, people always get mad when others say "Its just a Neon"

Well it still is. The only thing that makes it good is the motor. The motor wasnt even made for the Neon. It was made for the PT Cruiser and then it was desided to put it in the Neon to boost fallen sales.
It has the cheapest interior Ive seen. Stock Neon stereo, no rear powered windows and ugly ass gauges that some seem to like.

The exterior, I will admit they look somewhat nice on the outside when the wing is removed and there dropped. It pretty much looks like a kitted Neon with a stolen Supra wing. The rims, ugggh. They do look good painted black. I do like the blue ones though, maybe its just the color that catches me. If you think about it the blue and the yellow look pretty similar to the MSP blue and yellow. Theres just lots more flake in the MSP's which gives them a plus on the looks side.

There was a post on Orlandoforums about what car woud you buy. The SRT-4 or the MSP. The MSP won, it all came down to looks and handling over performance. Of course there was some, well actually a lot that wanted performance. It ended up being 7pages long.

Heres the results out of 56 voters.
MSP - 53.57%
SRT - 46.43%

[brianseto]

Now this debate begs the question...

Would it be better to buy an MSP and upgrade for HP and speed, since we know the MSP outhandles the SRT-4

OR

Would it be better to buy an SRT-4 and upgrade the suspension, since we know the SRT-4 spanks the MSP in the straight line

BTW...The reason why I chose the MSP is because during the test drive, I just felt CONNECTED to the car. Everything from the steering, handling, shifting (albeit notchy, it was easy to tell when it was time to shift, and I like the way the clutch feels...) I test drove a WRX, and while the WRX makes more power, in stock form, it just felt a lot more disconnected than the MSP

And one more thing...
I LOVE MY MAZDASPEED!

[AGR]

And one more thing...
I LOVE MY MAZDASPEED!
I concur! When I bought mine (Jan. '03) - best bang for the buck + some! And; if they still made the 'Speed, I think it would hold true today! (thumb)

[mp5jeff]

Heres what I think about the SRT-4, people always get mad when others say "Its just a Neon"

Well it still is. The only thing that makes it good is the motor.
what about the transmission in them, you know it isn't a stock neon tranny, or maybe you don't...that's why them seem to hold 600hp and not break...

[redwagon02]

what about the transmission in them, you know it isn't a stock neon tranny, or maybe you don't...that's why them seem to hold 600hp and not break...

yeah man, tell him about the boost gauge too.

[vodapas77]

yeah man, tell him about the boost gauge too.
(lol)

Oooo don't forget the seats!

[srtchick]

ok see now this thread is turning into shit & should be deleted.

[mp5jeff]

or the brakes, they have nice brakes also...

[srtchick]

:rolleyes:

[TampaBlackMSP]

How is this thread turning bad? I'm not seeing it, nor the need to delete - if you want an SRT, whoop-di-doo, if you want a MSP, fantastic. Yay America!

Uh-oh, not trying to offend those that aren't in America. (blah)

[jred321]

Oooo don't forget the seats!wait, they have seats??(huh)

[vodapas77]

ok see now this thread is turning into shit & should be deleted.We're just having a little fun. :D

Anyhow, to take things back to a serious note. People just need to realize that while the SRT-4 is targeted to fight the other top sport compacts, it does it in a different way. One of the things I love about the SRT-4 is that it is a modern incarnation of the true muscle car. No, not a Mustang or a Camaro. A real muscle car. Like the Road Runners and Super Bees of the late 60's & early 70's.

You take a "low rent" car like the Coronet was (and Neon is) and then you drop a very powerful and torquey powerplant in it. Back it with a tranny capable of handling it, price it well and there you go. Muscle car. That's why I think it's kind of cool the interior is cheap, no power rear windows, no leather, no wood grain. Just cheap, easy to mod. power.

Mopar went out to get a piece of today's youth sales and they did it in much the same way as they did back in the day. Yes, you can compare the SRT-4 to the MSP, the WRX, Spec V, etc. since that's what it is targeted to take on, but it will never be a true comparison since the SRT-4 has such a different design principle behind it. Considering how many of them I see popping up now-a-days I would say it's working.

To each their own. It's not a great car, but it's not a bad car either. One thing I'll always remember about it is the fact that when it was released I was still on the Mustang Forums and it was so funny to see all of those GT owners start bitching about getting smoked by "a little fucking Neon!"

[mp5jeff]

who cares, the gutted p5 owns jOO!

[srtchick]

(blah) (blah)

[YuYuRena]

Yup I agree this is probably the most mature discussion we have on the srt-4 vs. msp thread ever on this forum. I have to pick upgrading engine over suspension and let me explain before people flame me on this.

1. I work on engines for my daily living, I worry about multi-million machinery that cranks out XX,XXX hp. So engine aka thermodynamic stuff is easier for me to comprehend.

2. To do a suspension system properly you have do to do the whole thing. Experience what an aftermarket car feels like and a stock well-tuned suspension feels like. The stock suspension system is a compromise but it handles well. Now that being said, if I ever get a SRT-4, I would have to redo the whole suspension system to fit that much hp. That's major $$$$$, I'm talking about changing suspension geometry, parts, spring rates, bump stops, alignment, and chassis stiffening, and contact surface.

3. MSP suspension is well design for street everyday driving and spirited track driving. It's a fwd so too much hp on it is useless anyway. Right now, I'm looking into pumping up my msp but more along the top end with a nice straight hp and flat torque curve. This motor does not have a very good top end. This is shown for example in Brian's latest dyno. He's a forge motor and new turbo, but his tq curve still falls off at the top end. I want to maintain that peak. The suspension of this car will allow this power pump no problem.

4. The turn-in of this car is simply amazing, granted it can power out like an evo, but I bet it can enter the corner at the same speed.

5. The balance of this car is aboslutely the best thing you can get at the price range of this car. weight transfer is so easy on it and the car responds very well and communicates very well.

6. HP isn't everything, unless all you live for is 1/4 mile at a time. It's weight transfer and putting down usable power that wins, look at s2000.

lastly everyone talks about car to trade for msp well for me there's like 3:
lotus exige, rx7, or a mr-s with 3sgte.

SRT-4 = fast car, but not balanced.

[DigitalHeadShot]

Well, I was thinking about taking a nice vacation...lol (yes)

trust me you dont want to come here lol jacksonville NC is HELL, not like hell but HELL lol

[pb4ugoout]

my brother bought a new car a few months before i bought my msp. he drove several cars, including an msp, before finally deciding on a new civic si, just more his style of car. he also drove an srt-4. he would have gotten it but it was a little out of his price range. well when i bought my msp a few months later i too drove an srt-4. i drove lots of cars many times, including but not a full list, a tiburon gt, a celica gts, a civic si, an rsx-s, and a turbo beetle. (took me almost a month of driving to decide) of all the cars my decision was fought between the srt-4 and the mazdaspeed. i bought the msp because i thought it was a much better looking car and i felt more in control and more a "part" of the car than with any of the others. i felt as if it were an extension of my body. so easy to control, going fast or slow. it felt more real to me. however there isn't a day that doesn't go by that i don't think about my decision. did i get the better car. but after reading this i think i have. i absolutely adore my msp. i don't think i will wonder about the 'what if's' had i gotten an srt-4. for overall performance i think the msp is the winner. like someone said eariler, it's a much more balanced car. and thats my 2 cents...

[Riceman]

I have never been a fan of domestic vehicles. Yes I'm half asian, but I'm a Korean American. I'm not a fan of Korean cars either. I just can't get past the poor quality that goes into Domestic vehicles. Fit and finish is a high priority to me, but not to American automakers for the most part; granted, they're getting much better. I feel that a lot of people these days, especially American auto workers don't have any pride in their jobs. Of course there are exceptions, but at my job the number of people that would rather accomplish a task quickly and easily compared to the number of people that would do it the correct and best way is 10 to 1. American automakers are currently faced with fallen sales (overall) and no money to pay all of the retired employees' pensions that their unions got for them. GM is really hit hard by this. There is no easy fix, but I think the quality is going to suffer because of this.

My point is that even feeling this way, I kicked around the thought of checking out the Neon SRT-4 because of the power. After seeing the interior though, I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I understand that they're main goal was power, and some people could care less about quality and refinement. This car is great if horsepower is your number one priority. I just couldn't get past the fact that they actually had power front windows and manual rear ones. Nissan did something similar to this in the early 90's with the Sentra SE-R. No power window option was available, but a powered sunroof was an option. Weird....These days, it's hard to find a vehicle with manual windows. That's not my only complaint with the interior but an example.

I guess that the people jumping to the Neon just want more power. I'm sure there are some Neon owners that envy the interior of the MSP and get tired of looking at miles of cheap plastic in their cars.

Sorry this was so long, I actually kept it pretty short. I know I'll hear countless stories of granpa's Ford that has 400,000 miles on it, and Hondas that broke down right after driving off of the showroom floor. Again, there are exceptions to everything. Just my 2 cents. Hey, my favorite color is red....I'm sure not everyone's is.

[P5 Rally]

like...? forged internals and cranking up the boost, larger injectors, ECU fuel pump? by-by warranty.....out of the box the SRT-4 is still better... lowering springs and thicker sway bars and handling is no longer a problem...




Personally, I can only take so much power on a FWD car before it becomes pointless. The SRT4 stock is right around that limit before modification. On the other hand, I paid $5k less for my MSP which can be modded to equal a stock SRT4 very easily for under $2k safely. Just there I saved $3k to spend on something else and I have a car that I really like. Plus no matter which car I had, the warranty would be voided anyways. If I really wanted a hp monster, I would go with RWD or AWD and actually enjoy the power.

[muohio]

like...? forged internals and cranking up the boost, larger injectors, ECU fuel pump? by-by warranty.....out of the box the SRT-4 is still better... lowering springs and thicker sway bars and handling is no longer a problem...
We have a member that is getting into the mid 13s on $500 worth of parts that could easily be removed. If you spend $2k, then you are pretty much saying that what's being built should handle a reasonable amount of power for 36/36,000. If you replace the internals, injectors, and ECU then you really can't have any beef with Mazda.

My main criteria is, if you race every weekend during summer for at 1/4mile 6 times, you only put on around 20 miles a year at the strip. I spend another 15000 miles in my car either in traffic, going slow, or actually finding an empty road. I would rather buy a car that will be comfortable and fun for the 98.6666666667% of my time that I spend in my car. I just can't see spending over $17k for a car with an economy interior regardless of being a Protege, Sentra, Civic, or Neon. That's why the MSP was so appealing. Decent car for under $17k that you could have fun with.

[BlkZoomZoom]

This is my .02 on this subject. Last night at the dragstrip there were 4 srt-4's and 2 MSP's (including mine). I was faster than every srt-4 there and 2 of them had "stage-2 w/toys" (whatever that means....he seemed happy about it until I told him what I run.) They all claimed it was because they were getting shitty 60' times (2.2-2.4), but that's about what I get. So they talked some sh*t about if we raced from a roll....I just went along with them. Anyways I was running 11-12psi last night and got an avg of 13.50-13.67 @ 102-104mph. I dropped it back down to my normal 9psi for the ride home. On the highway 2 of the srt-4's came on the side of me so I played along. (one was a stage-2 car and the other had an intake and maybe exhaust couldnt tell). From a 55mph roll to the end of 4th. I was probably around 5-6car lengths ahead easy..........

Now I know there are some wicked srt-4's but just don't under rate the MSP. I have less than $1400 in it and most of that is thermal wrap, flywheel, and clutch.

[thunder]

I think that some people shouldn't have bought the MSP in the first place! The MSP is NOT for drag racing!! If you want hp, if you only care about the 1/4 mile then the SRT-4 is the one! Best ratio in dollar/hp on the market, no doubts. And now with the Quaife diff. it even handles corners better! But the driving experience is not the same and the power curve is not nearly as flexible as the MSP. Mazdaspeed is for the twisties, and that's exacly why I got it! BTW, here in Montreal they don't seem that popular (wonder why?) and the price is very low... (it's $21K US for the 2004 model!).
They are different cars and, IMO, for different people. I don't understand why some people want to compare the MSP with the SRT-4. For my part, I compare it more with the Integra Type R bcs to me they are in the same class...

[jflo]

WOOOHOO !! another MSP vs SRT-4 thread...i haven't had enough of these !

[Dr.Sound]

If Mistsubishi is still making cars ;)wahahaha!
for sure....! :)
i've read somewhere that mitsu is still in business ONLY because of Evo.
without evo they would have been bankrupt a long time ago.

[Dr.Sound]

or any other car for that matter!!!(boom07)not MSP ;)

[Rush]

I haven't debated THIS topic in awhile .. so hell, why not throw somethin' in, right?

I test drove both cars. For me, it was the MSP. Physically, I actually FIT better into the MSP -- the shifter was placed right, my legs hit right, the wheel sat at the right level, and so on and so forth. The SRT-4's seats were uncomfortable (that most likely has to do with me being so short, as I'm a female and only 5'1"), I didn't like the shifter, I didn't like the stereo, and I just wasn't a fan of the blah interior. Also, I was looking for a spirited daily driver -- not something to take to a drag strip. I wanted a car that I could play with and complete some mods on -- but nothing hugely serious. The MSP fit that desire. Don't get me wrong, the SRT-4 was a thrill during the test drive -- the engine is amazing and the exhaust is very close to being provocative. But from an overall viewpoint .. the MSP simply matched what I was looking for.

IMHO, it's all a matter of what you're interested in buying. If you want the power and the ability to concentrate on building up your engine -- SRT-4 all the way, as the possibilites there are astounding. But I chose my MSP because it offered an ample share of power (with the ability to drop cash and REALLY make it fly, if I so chose), a wonderful sense of balance, and eye-catching looks.

To each their own. I'm happy in my decision, and I hope that whoever's hopped -- or is planning on hopping -- to whatever other car will be happy as well.

[122 Vega]

Plenty of Stage 2 w/ toys cars are running 13.1s.

Britt

[jflo]

not MSP ;)
(lol2) and we're all damn glad it was the MSP and not an SRT-4 :)

[DigitalHeadShot]

another thing to consider is the SRT guys really are not that much faster than us. There breaking 12's and 11 in somecase's however we are nipping at there feet and soon people like jonboy and others will be right up there too. We just have to give the msp a chance..

[gixermixer]

For me it is simple- LOOKS. The SRT is simply ugly as hell. A turd that can run 13's...I think the msp is the best looking car in its class. Some of the other factors would be price, i paid 17 for my MSP, most people pay at least 21 for the dodge. The invoice of the base WRX is 22.9 (this can be had by all by joining one of many clubs for 6 months that cost about 20.00 a year, call the VIP program), and in my opinion a better buy in that price range.

[GREATG]

A used LS1 Camaro can be had less then 20k and can smoke an SRT4 all day long.

Your fictional Camaro better have some $$$$ mods.
http://srtforums.com/forums/timeslips.php
these guys are not F**cking around.

[GREATG]

oh my god why did I go to that page? Its very unsettling reading those times...given how much we are struggling with 240whp.

[jred321]

Your fictional Camaro better have some $$$$ mods.
http://srtforums.com/forums/timeslips.php
these guys are not F**cking around.11's/12's are much cheaper and easier to come by in an ls1 camaro. it's really not even worth arguing though

[srtchick]

yeah & u dont have to worry as much with the srt if the engine or turbo is gonna go (if u put up the boost) ;)

[AGR]

... and it always comes down to the same shit - Always!!. The 1/4 mile! What a bloody boring thing the 1/4 mile is. (chair)

[GREATG]

11's/12's are much cheaper and easier to come by in an ls1 camaro. it's really not even worth arguing though
i wasn't arguing, i was making sure he knows what SRT4s are running these days.

[jred321]

i wasn't arguing, i was making sure he knows what SRT4s are running these days.so posting 8 second camaro time slips would be relevant?

[Akaveli]

Don't get me wrong, if the MSP came with a little bit more power, MAJORITY of us would be Sold! Handling + Power = Whats an SRT Wha? But from reading you'll posts and listening to what ya'll had to say...it seems like a few owners are a lil dissapointed with the MSP.

[GREATG]

so posting 8 second camaro time slips would be relevant?why, yes it would be jred321.

[YuYuRena]

... and it always comes down to the same shit - Always!!. The 1/4 mile! What a bloody boring thing the 1/4 mile is. (chair)
You know I can only think of american that is overly "worried" about their 1/4 mile time. I think this is the only country in the world that worries about their car's 1/4 mile time, every where else it's 0-100km and how well the car handles. And that's why there's the SRT-4

[Dr.Sound]

^ yeah!
DAMN AMERICANS!














;)

[dolphin]

I looked at and drove the SRT-4 but bought the MSP. So far the closest one has gotten to me, both of us stock, on an autocross course is 1.9 sec on a 52 sec course. I also don't have some of the issues he has with his car's interior.

[MSP Pro]

Let me second that on the MSP over the SRT-4 at autox. I'm leading DS over my friend's SRT-4 and usually beat him by 1 to 2 seconds on 50 second courses. He keeps shaking his head at how much faster I am. I have the opportunity this weekend to wrap up the DS championship for the year. Oh Yeah!!!

[BUJonathan]

Let me rephrase what I said. And BTW I have several friends with SRT-4s.

In my OWN experience, driving both vehicles. Yes the SRT-4 has power but it will not handle as well. My Mazdaspeed is also in the 13's on the 1/4.


And the quality is piss poor. Just the other day at the track my buddy broke 3 studs just removing the nuts so he can put his slicks on. He is always complaining about some thing on the car.

You can bring me 100 articles that say this and that about each one of the cars. Nothing beats actually driving them both and comparing.

Slap on a set of the of the Mopar/KW Variant coilovers, and the SRT-4 becomes quite a handler. Out of the box, no its not the best handling car. Its hampered by poor shock tuning, little/zero negative camber, and skinny tires. All of that can be fixed, and make it into a great car.

If your buddy is always complaining about the car, tell him to just sell it. Studs shouldn't be breaking unless he's overtorquing the lug nuts.

[CommieSpeed]

I like them both! Either way, you are happy. Both great cars. I like to use the "Saved by the Bell" analogy when comparing these cars. The MSP is like Zack, knows how to handle situations, snazzy dresser, all around well balanced cool guy (the MSP is unable to stop time to analyze social situations however). The SRT4 is like A.C. Slater, very powerful football player, not as crafty as Zack or as good a dresser, but can still handle himself around the school and run shit. Both are cool popular dudes who get chicks and always save the day in the end...whether it be on the Autocross course or fixing Mr. Belding's car before he realizes Screech crashed it going to the spring dance. So when it came down to deciding what car was right for me...I just asked myself...am I a Zack or a Slater? Maybe you all should ask yourself that question as well.

[dolphin]

Yes, but if he does all that to make it handle, it is no longer stock. At least for SCCA autocrossing anyway. I am still running the stock Bridgestone tires. They keep asking me what I did to the car, I keep telling them, I tinted the windows.

[Mx6GT91]

what about the transmission in them, you know it isn't a stock neon tranny, or maybe you don't...that's why them seem to hold 600hp and not break...

Well I forgot about that. Sorry, I'll add that also.

The main thing is that theres always going to be things half assed on cars, well new cars moslty.
Look at the MSP, its a stock Protege motor with a turbo and some tuning. I know the MSP wasnt designed to go fast in a straight line. Im sure Mazda knew that people were going to mod them. They could have at least put in beefier rods. The pistons seem to be fine in holding power.
Your intercooler pipes, intake pipes, and where your sidemounts mounted is based on my car. The only thing Mazda pushed off was a built motor. I think that money went into suspension. I love the way the MSP handles!!!
Ive been boosting anywhere from 13psi to 18psi. Thats from 106,000miles to my 152,000 I have now. I dont think any MSP can boost that much with stock internals and last. Not to mention I have the stongest tranny Mazda made. My tranny can hold over 500whp even when loaded with miles. My car has a downside also, its got a SOHC 12valve motor. Its probably the hardest pulling SOHC you'll see. hehe

Dont get my wrong, I love the MSP. I have a great time driving my friends and I wish I could drive it more often. Only when the boost is upped though. If its at stock boost Id rather drive my mods New Beetle. Its just as I said, theres always going to be things skipped/half assed. With the MSP it seems to be the motor. If your car was faster stock Im sure people would blow the SRT-4 off and go for the MSP. Im glad that the MSP was sold as a Limited Edition. SRT-4's are drivin around like Civics. Well here in FL they are, same as the WRX.

[chrisjw85]

I went to check one out last night for the first time never even considered it when buying the msp. Anyway the seats were really really nice, and I liked the boost gauge and a lot of the interior except the shifter. Didn't like how long it was. I don't really like the front of the cars but the backs aren't bad, but when I started the car up that was pretty awesome. I revved it up a bit and the thing roared, but daily driving would get annoying with it being noisey.

[EVILSRT]

This topic has stayed very mature for my taste, so it will stay. I love my SRT and I loved my MSP when I had it. If I had to do it all over again I would have picked my SRT. I really don't care what anyone says, the SRT is a good car. I have had less problems with it than I did my MSP. You have to sit down at look that these are to TOTALLY different cars.

The SRT goes fast, but handles like doo doo. The MSP runs 15s yet handles like its on rails. I loved my MSPs spunk and personality, one of my favorite things about the MSP was hesitation.......just kidding.:)

I love the warrenty dodge offers too. I have taken my car in several times, and it has a turbo upgrade. They have never given me an issue, not once. I really miss the MSP, but I do love my SRT. If it were me I wouldn't even compare the two cars because its not fair for eachother.

BTW- Just for the record, my MSP was my favorite car I ever owned.

[EVILSRT]

http://www.azmaximas.org/steve/albums/Insane-Ride/turbo.sized.jpg

[EVILSRT]

This is my newest 60 trim T3/T4.(lol2)

The little stinker to left is the stocker.

[chrisjw85]

next to the T3/T4 it looks like a peanut haha

[EVILSRT]

next to the T3/T4 it looks like a peanut haha
Oh so true.(2thumbs)

[ONRAILS]

"handles like its on rails."

Now that's what I'm talking about!! ;)


This topic has stayed very mature for my taste, so it will stay. I love my SRT and I loved my MSP when I had it. If I had to do it all over again I would have picked my SRT. I really don't care what anyone says, the SRT is a good car. I have had less problems with it than I did my MSP. You have to sit down at look that these are to TOTALLY different cars.

The SRT goes fast, but handles like doo doo. The MSP runs 15s yet handles like its on rails. I loved my MSPs spunk and personality, one of my favorite things about the MSP was hesitation.......just kidding.:)

I love the warrenty dodge offers too. I have taken my car in several times, and it has a turbo upgrade. They have never given me an issue, not once. I really miss the MSP, but I do love my SRT. If it were me I wouldn't even compare the two cars because its not fair for eachother.

BTW- Just for the record, my MSP was my favorite car I ever owned.

[msp35]

So yeah I am all for my MSP, but one thing the SRT has that I want. SUNROOF. My last car had one and I continue to reach up on beautiful sunshiny days like today and wa la no sunroof. (argh)

Driving the MSP is way more fun (period)!

[RX-KEVIN]

I run most sr-t's down at the track. they hate it

[celdridge]

yur obviously doing SOMETHING wrong...yur talking high 13sec car compared to a 15flat car...(uhm)


I agree with him ... i dont like them ... its still just a neon ... which in my opinion (after owning 3 dodge cars) is lower than the ... its just a protege argument. The SRT looks mean as hell though. Puttin out some nice HP too, but i know how dodges work ... that thing will run like a bat out of hell for about 2 years and then rust out and fall apart.

[celdridge]

http://www.azmaximas.org/steve/albums/Insane-Ride/turbo.sized.jpg


Wow ... thats a big f'in turbo... are you overcompensating ... haha ... just kidding ... can i have a few of those ... haha

[ES2k3]

http://66.131.90.58:8001/car_industy_resumed.jpg

(rei)

[FBI14]

wahahaha!
for sure....! :)
i've read somewhere that mitsu is still in business ONLY because of Evo.
without evo they would have been bankrupt a long time ago.
Thats odd, I thought the Evo was a limited produced car. Im not sure, does anyone know for sure

[FBI14]

The Evo did double its sales but I dont see how such a small number of sales could be saving the company I could be wrong. Heres a good link check it out

http://www.mitsubishisucks.com/cars/sales/usa/2004/q1.html

[srtchick]

WOW! crazy pics evilsrt! I agree with you totally, the MSP is my favorite car evar! But im just now in the market for a new toy $20k or under, the srt is the most bang for the buck period & i dont care what anyone says about it. (will be picking s silver one up next week w/a sunroof :D)

[EVILSRT]

Nice. If you ever need help hit me up. 602-499-7337

Don't go prank calling me fuckers.:)

[FBI14]

^^^ " you kicked my dog and now Im gonna fuck you" (lol2)

[Cam2]

i got an srt-4 hey evil tell me what all the stages come with and pm me with ur mod list i wanna get like that and how much have u spent cuz i had a msp sucked worst car my sunfire was way better. so please give me some info on what u have and where to pick up more parts from thanks!

[Pkay]

how many msp's have you seen rolled?

I did a search on the srt forums and saw 12


handling


end of story

[Cam2]

how many msp's have you seen rolled?

I did a search on the srt forums and saw 12


handling


end of story
none jus bought it outright i got a settlement check

[Wha'Happened]

"I like them both! Either way, you are happy. Both great cars. I like to use the "Saved by the Bell" analogy when comparing these cars. The MSP is like Zack, knows how to handle situations, snazzy dresser, all around well balanced cool guy (the MSP is unable to stop time to analyze social situations however). The SRT4 is like A.C. Slater, very powerful football player, not as crafty as Zack or as good a dresser, but can still handle himself around the school and run shit. Both are cool popular dudes who get chicks and always save the day in the end...whether it be on the Autocross course or fixing Mr. Belding's car before he realizes Screech crashed it going to the spring dance. So when it came down to deciding what car was right for me...I just asked myself...am I a Zack or a Slater? Maybe you all should ask yourself that question as well."
Quite possibly the greatest thing ever written....

When it comes to affordable compact car performance, the SRT4 perfectly represents America's preoccupation with 1/4 mile times, whereas the MSP, I think, is more of a represenative of all-around performance. I am not doubting the SRT4's handling ability either, just as I am not doubting the MSP's 1/4 mile potential. (drive)

[celdridge]

"I like them both! Either way, you are happy. Both great cars. I like to use the "Saved by the Bell" analogy when comparing these cars. The MSP is like Zack, knows how to handle situations, snazzy dresser, all around well balanced cool guy (the MSP is unable to stop time to analyze social situations however). The SRT4 is like A.C. Slater, very powerful football player, not as crafty as Zack or as good a dresser, but can still handle himself around the school and run shit. Both are cool popular dudes who get chicks and always save the day in the end...whether it be on the Autocross course or fixing Mr. Belding's car before he realizes Screech crashed it going to the spring dance. So when it came down to deciding what car was right for me...I just asked myself...am I a Zack or a Slater? Maybe you all should ask yourself that question as well."

Quite possibly the greatest thing ever written....


OMFG ... thnx for the trip back to 1985 ... :-D

[vodapas77]

"I like them both! Either way, you are happy. Both great cars. I like to use the "Saved by the Bell" analogy when comparing these cars. The MSP is like Zack, knows how to handle situations, snazzy dresser, all around well balanced cool guy (the MSP is unable to stop time to analyze social situations however). The SRT4 is like A.C. Slater, very powerful football player, not as crafty as Zack or as good a dresser, but can still handle himself around the school and run shit. Both are cool popular dudes who get chicks and always save the day in the end...whether it be on the Autocross course or fixing Mr. Belding's car before he realizes Screech crashed it going to the spring dance. So when it came down to deciding what car was right for me...I just asked myself...am I a Zack or a Slater? Maybe you all should ask yourself that question as well."

Quite possibly the greatest thing ever written....
LMFAO, as cheesy as that it, that's great!

[Wha'Happened]

BTW, The Saturn ION Red LIne = Screech!!

[srtchick]

(rofl)

[jersey_emt]

BTW, The Saturn ION Red LIne = Screech!!

(rofl)

[Mx6GT91]

Well if you think about it. The MSP runs about 4-6psi, the SRT-4 boost what 12psi and a fall to about 10-11psi.

If the boost was around 10psi stock on the MSP's Im sure people would pick them over the SRT-4's. The only downside is how long with the MSP last on 10psi.
My friends MSP with a cone filter and 10psi beats SRT-4's. 03's and 04's

Ever since he got his exhaust Im sure he can eat them now.

I drove in my friends 03 SRT-4 2 nights ago and I wasnt pleased. Hes got the Stage 1, 3in turbo-back exhaust, front mount, and a BOV. Hes only boosting 15psi with a fall to 13psi. I was barely pushed into my seat. I told him to up the boost, I think he took my advice. hehe


BTW, The Saturn ION Red LIne = Screech!!

I think those are pretty nice. Someone in my neighborhood has a blue one. Great lookin car, the sound good too. I dont think Id get one though??

[srtchick]

stock 04 srt psi is 15 spiking 16... i know because i test drove an 04 with 10 miles on it (NEW). You test drove an 03 with 15 less ponies & LSD.

I can gaurantee all these MSP's putting the boost up will have trouble in the (near or far)future either with the turbos or their engines. its all a matter of time -sad but true.(puts on flame resistent suit(blah) )

[II-Savy]

stock 04 srt psi is 15 spiking 16... i know because i test drove an 04 with 10 miles on it (NEW). You test drove an 03 with 15 less ponies & LSD.

I can gaurantee all these MSP's putting the boost up will have trouble in the (near or far)future either with the turbos or their engines. its all a matter of time -sad but true.(puts on flame resistent suit(blah) )
(jerkit)

[srtchick]

(lol2) (kissass)

[MackDadam]

When it comes down to it I love my car not for the handling...but for how well it was made. I got side swiped by a lady doing 40 mph, then popped a curb and hit another car head on. My quarter panel was dented, and the door had to be replaced, but the underbody suffered no damage. the front bumper only incurred scratches.. The ladys 1991 mercury ( a boat btw ) looked like a bomb went off on her radiator and it was totalled. the suv i hit had a huge dent was well. Granted my airbags never deployed...but i didnt need them too. Gotta be one of the safest cars out there. Hell even vics car didnt look so bad after plunging over a cliff. Im really indifferent, i dont have any hate toward srts, but i do love my mazda.

[II-Savy]

When it comes down to it I love my car not for the handling...but for how well it was made. I got side swiped by a lady doing 40 mph, then popped a curb and hit another car head on. My quarter panel was dented, and the door had to be replaced, but the underbody suffered no damage. the front bumper only incurred scratches.. The ladys 1991 mercury ( a boat btw ) looked like a bomb went off on her radiator and it was totalled. the suv i hit had a huge dent was well. Granted my airbags never deployed...but i didnt need them too. Gotta be one of the safest cars out there. Hell even vics car didnt look so bad after plunging over a cliff. Im really indifferent, i dont have any hate toward srts, but i do love my mazda.
Here here. Very good points. Better than these blanket statments people make. "Up the boost and it won't last" Some people have 20k plus and still going strong. Proper maintenance and care will make the car last.

[Pkay]

you do realise PSI doesnt equate to speed right? Numerous other factors play into efficiency of PSI.

[BlkZoomZoom]

lol like running 13.50's with 11psi !!!