Turbohoses R&D Affordable Hardpipes

[Turbohoses]

Hello,

Update:

Due to the popularity of our MSP Aluminum Hardpipes, we have had many requests for a more affordable version. During our datalogging, we have found that aircraft quality aluminum worked best for the MSP. However, prepping aluminum before bending and welding aluminum bring up the costs during production.

In order to service all of our inquiries, our R&D dept. will be releasing a steel hardpipe kit within the next 2 weeks. As always, our products & quality speak for themselves. Each pipe will be chrome plated and come with your choice of stainless steel clamps or t-bolt clamps and our own super silicone hoses.

Thank you,

Turbohoses R&D

[kazson]

intresting so what are the drawbacks of using the Chrome Plated Steel Piping Vs. T-6 Aluminum piping in your other kit?

I read the Heat was one issue, how about life of the hard pipes themselves?

[Turbohoses]

intresting so what are the drawbacks of using the Chrome Plated Steel Piping Vs. T-6 Aluminum piping in your other kit?

I read the Heat was one issue, how about life of the hard pipes themselves?

OEM cars like the Evo etc. all use aluminum tubing straight from the factory. Almost all of the higher end aftermarket IC kits will use aluminum on the IC piping as well.
Although aluminium is a softer metal, it is prone to dent if you should drop or bump it during installation etc.... however, the piping should last longer than the car.
Chrome plating helps the steel piping from rustings and also gives you a nice shine for those that like to show off their engine bays.

Also, we do have available this kit in ORANGE hoses.

Thanks,

[jurgs01]

Aluminum has a better (higher) specific heat than steel (meaning it keeps the cool air in and hot air out). It also has better corrosion resistance and is lighter. The benefeit of the steel pipes is they will be like $200 cheaper (about half price). They are doing this so everyone can afford pipes. Not everyone can afford a lexus, even though the lexus comes with more options. The everyday user will not notice a difference between the steel and aluminum pipes.

[brennan]

What about Stainless Steel, I can see that being very expensive though

[jurgs01]

Stainless is better than mild steel for anything, but is not the ideal material for intake piping. I believe steel (all types) has a specific heat that is about a third that of aluminum, which means that the aluminum will hold your cold air in better (the main thing you are doing with intake piping). Steel transfers heat easily, which means it is a poor insulator. SS is ideal for exhaust piping because it needs to be strong and corrosion resistant. Corrosion resistance is the main benefiet of SS. It is better than both mild steel and certain types of aluminum. Aluminum is lighter and bends easier. Both SS and quality aluminum are expensive, and mild steel is very cheap to buy and fabricate. If you have the money to spend, just keep to the rule aluminum on the intake and SS on the exhaust side.

[Turbohoses]

What about Stainless Steel, I can see that being very expensive though

Stainless is better suited for exhaust system and tubular turbo manifolds.
The properties of stainless in this (exhaust and manifold) type of application are to retain thermal energy (heat) which is necessary for the turbo spooling. This is counter productive to keeping air cool.

[jurgs01]

Turbohoses:

How is the SMIC testing coming along? Will you and Cullen be starting the GB soon?

[Turbohoses]

Turbohoses:

How is the SMIC testing coming along? Will you and Cullen be starting the GB soon?

Our SMIC will be on our dyno this week. We must first go through the datalog to be sure that during our long term tests, the ECU doesn't compensate for anything unexpectedly.
If things go smootly, we will have testing completed within the next few days and post results.

Thanks,

Turbohoses R&D

[Spooled]

What about wrapping the steel tubing with thermal tape? Not pretty, but for those people like me who don't show off their engine, that would be great.

[Turbohoses]

What about wrapping the steel tubing with thermal tape? Not pretty, but for those people like me who don't show off their engine, that would be great.

There are pros. and cons. to using thermal tape. It does work with a cost to the piping.
The mid. to long term results will shorten the life span of the steel piping and promote rust very quickly. Often we find turbular turbo manifolds that crack due to the extra insulation.

Turbohoses R&D

[kazson]

so these steel pipes will be worse than the stock plastic pipes when it comes to heat? In addition with our crappy stock SMIC could this harm the engine?

Lost horsepower/Boost?

In order words are steel pipes more or less just for looks or is there a performance benefit when using steel pipes over plastic ones

[rocketspeed]

so these steel pipes will be worse than the stock plastic pipes when it comes to heat? In addition with our crappy stock SMIC could this harm the engine?

Lost horsepower/Boost?

In order words are steel pipes more or less just for looks or is there a performance benefit when using steel pipes over plastic ones
Sure, the steel pipes won't leak at higher boost levels, the plastic ones often will. Ability to disperse heat and corrosion resistence are what make aluminum better than steel. The chrome plating will help deal with the corrosion issue, but the steel will run hotter than the plastic piping, it seems.

[jurgs01]

The steel pipes will look better, be more reliable and not expand when under boost. Expanding pipes can affect the efficiency of the turbo, and the stock ones can expand under pressure. The stock plastic is cheap anyway. These pipes will not harm your engine or make it run less efficiently. You will keep in cool air and keep out hot engine air better with their aluminum pipes though. The steel will also corrode faster than aluminum. You will not be able to see it because it will be on the inside. I would definately say the steel pipes are a slight upgrade in performance and a major upgrade in looks to the stock piping, but if you have the money I would go with their aluminum pipes.

[spicynamja]

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[Rainman]

What is the wall thickness on the steel pipes? What about on the aluminum pipes? Does wall thickness contribute to the thermal characteristics of each of these materials?

[jurgs01]

What is the wall thickness on the steel pipes? What about on the aluminum pipes? Does wall thickness contribute to the thermal characteristics of each of these materials?
Of course. Density and amount of material is a factor. You don't want really thick piping because of weight and bulkiness. The $200-$250 hardpipes are a good deal whom ever you buy them from. Aluminum is just better for the application. You just have to ask yourself, are you willing to pay $150-200 more for a better product? Some say yes, some no. We are not talking about much HP here. I have the Aluminum pipes because I want the most effective and efficient cooling to the cylinders. I also have a different type of SRI (getting cold outside air) and am planning on upgrading the SMIC and getting alcohol/water injection soon.

[Turbohoses]

See this thread and read the bottom for temperature comparison.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1164079#post1164079

Thanks,

Turbohoses R&D

[wicked]

Hay Hoover,good job,but I feel like we are missing someone.

oh yeah wheres DSMCONVERT?HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA.

[LAZERBLU2003.5]

would having the steel pipes ceramic coated inside and out help keep the air cooler than having them chromed?

[wicked]

free bump

[jurgs01]

would having the steel pipes ceramic coated inside and out help keep the air cooler than having them chromed?
Sure, but it would be ugly looking.

[wicked]

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[StreetUnit]

Steel IC Piping??? Hoover is crazy!!!! Just kidding, I know you scrapped that idea.

[byohndspeed]

ok so you got 130ish on your steel pipes, and 108ish on the aluminum. what gauge are you guys using? the reason i askes is that on the test car for my hardpipes we ar eusing an autometer intake temp gauge and we only ever seen 120 with ours before we wraped them..we saw alittle more out of the stock pipes than you did, and we were running 10psi also...where did you put the probe? i'm not trying to be rude, just trying to figure some things out..

[Turbohoses]

ok so you got 130ish on your steel pipes, and 108ish on the aluminum. what gauge are you guys using? the reason i askes is that on the test car for my hardpipes we ar eusing an autometer intake temp gauge and we only ever seen 120 with ours before we wraped them..we saw alittle more out of the stock pipes than you did, and we were running 10psi also...where did you put the probe? i'm not trying to be rude, just trying to figure some things out..

Unfortunately, this is information that I can not supply you. Our products, design, materials, engineering etc... are all proprietory information. However, the gauge of the metal is fairly thin, hopefully that helps.

We do not use aftermarket temp. gauges as they are sometimes not consistant with readings from other methods which are more conducive to aquiring more accurate results.

As you already know, we can not really compare data accurately. Being two different vehicles, temperatures, dynos and research methology will always net two absolutely different results.

Turbohoses R&D

[Riles]

How will these pipes compare in price and quality to the new $200 powdercoated steel pipes that DSMConvert sells?

[Turbohoses]

How will these pipes compare in price and quality to the new $200 powdercoated steel pipes that DSMConvert sells?

Our pipes our more expensive.
We have not seen any of our competitors piping, so it is impossible for us to comment on fitament and/or quality.

We MFG. parts for many of the larger well know aftermarket companies. Our company is ISO9000 compliant, which bascially means that we meet a standard of consistency in production, quality control and proper storage of raw materials.

However, we pride ourselves on not only our products but service as well. You can phone us 9:00 PST to 4:00 PST M-F and our customer service agents will be available to assist you.

Turbohoses R&D