HIBOOST INSTALL: My turn this time...

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Hey everyone!

So I *finally* get my Hiboost kit yesterday. I ordered a GReddy Type-S seperately and received both packages. I also ordered a 19mm adapter for the Type-S just in case I would need it, though I won't have it for a week. Furthermore, I ordered T-clamps to accomodate the install.

Let me just iterate that doing mods to cars is not new at all for me, but I have to tell you, the install for me took quite a while.

Okay, I'll start with the good and the bad regarding this kit.

The kit came complete, well packaged up, and nice and "bling bling" shiny. I was quite surprised to see the box wasn't as big as I thought, but then again, you have to put into reference that pictures are not the same as reality.

So, what I first did was remove my set of hardpipes. Before doing this, I removed my Injen CAI (turbo to MAF side). No problem.

Next, I removed the bumper (I had a P5 and did this so many times). No problem.

I started following the instructions to the T. Without getting into great detail - Juan, the instructions are out of order. I spent countless times, ripping things apart to accomodate the installation of this part or that part. I am more than willing to edit the instructions if you shoot me a PM or whatever with an ediable link. As a word of advice, do not install pipes of any kind until you get the radiator and fan situation squared away. I had to figure out a bit more of what the instructions were trying to say, it wasn't that hard by any sorts, but could have helped.

Next, half the T-clamps I ordered were to small by 1/4 inch. I tried and tried and spent quite a bit of time and I was quite bummed. I ordered the right kind, and that is something I'll have to revisit in the future. So I am using some clamps that came with the kit - half of them.

Long story short, everything went together last night, and I even made a simple top radiator support bracket - took me 5 minutes and works awesome (too damn simple). Okay, after about 3 hours, everything was done by 1:30AM last night (kinda like Arunto install).

So this morning I check everything out and all looked good. Started the car, idles nicely, and then I throttle it. Well, I got the shit scared out of me because of how much the GReddy Type-S vents to the atmosphere. However, after an hour of trying to tune it so the RPM's wouldn't dip so low to stall the car and after reviewing in my mind everything I read on the boards here, I didn't feel comfortable that it would work for me for every day driving. Well, I had to take the Injen back out to get to take the GReddy off and put the HKS on. This wasn't so bad, but I took the hose off of the HKS (stupid mistake) and was a big problem putting it back on. I got it all set up, and got back to square one this morning. Car runs, holy shit - super turkey. Honestly, the HKS is a good replacement for the stock BPV, but compared to the GReddy (even in recirculation mode) it is shit. The quality of the components and the overall design sucks balls - but hey, it works, car idles nice, no problems.

So then I go to put the bumper back on. Before I do so, I followed the instructions and trimmed this and that. I was at a dilemma as I didn't want to keep the black stock grille on, but I didn't have any mesh material handy. I spent some more time and took the grille out, trimmed everything around and prepped it for an Evo-Like grille I ordered online for $32.00 shipped. I have to remember how to fix it, I think was with fiberglass - been a while since I've seen people do it. Just imageine what an Evo looks like, once I get the grill, mine will look the same (nice). So the bumper is now on.

I go drive the car, and at stock PSI (about 6PSI) (5PSI was stock, but I have an S-pipe back exhaust) the car pulled - kinda like the feeling when doing my exhaust system. I was surprised at how smooth everything was. I was more concerened with rattling, so I babied it and man "super turkey". I was confident, flipped my switch (running accuboost type solenoid) and now I was at 9.5PSI. Holy shit, MFer, the car took off like a cougar and charged like a rhino, sounds nice, turkey got louder, but nice. Made all my negative bullshit with this, bullshit with that, fabrication, instructions, not everything happy install go away.

The only problem that I had to deal with after the install was the cast pipe going to the throttlebody rubbed on the master brake cylinder. Okay, repositioned it a little better and put foam stuff in between, quick ride, no issues - give it time.

I do have another question for you people - the S-pipe down below, seems to slightly rub on a cylinder like device in the drivers side bottom, any way to avoid this, it seems as I tried to rotate the S, it mashed up against part of the subframe!?!

So, by the end of the week, I'll have the 19mm GReddy attachment. I'll try to vent again and see what works, it seems like 5-6 threads available is pretty dead on for idle as other people said. I will also receive the right T-clamps and mesh and do this some weekend in the future.

Overally, I am very pleased. I think the instructions need to be better documented and I did have to utilize a few of my own nuts and bolts, then $2.00 for a custom bracket.

EDIT: NEW PIX

http://www.03msp.com/projects/present/engine.jpg

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http://www.03msp.com/projects/present/intercooler.jpg

- Brian

P.S. A buddy of mine is ordering the same kit, same car, and in 2-3 weeks I have to do it all over again. I would probably be able to do it in 3 hours versus the 8 I spent (partitioned throughout last night and today).

[speedhawaii]

looks great and hope that power was worth it

[jflo]

hey, got closer pics of your radiator mount for others to see ?

[MazdaDryvr]

man i want one of those bad boys!

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hey, got closer pics of your radiator mount for others to see ?
I'll try to take one.

This is what I did: I put the existing bracket that held the SMIC in place back on. I then took a piece of an aluminum bar and measured about 8-10" or so. I then drilled an 1/4 hole about one inch from one side. I placed the bar over the protruding plastic on the radiator. Then, from left of the radio the bar went over the SMIC bracket. I made a dot then drilled a hole above the SMIC bracket where a hole on the new bracket would line up with that of the existing bracket. Also, on the aluminum, I made a line where the left of the SMIC bracket was and bent the aluminum down (in a vice) and turned my new bracket to an L bracket. I then put a bolt, two washers, and a nut through the top of the aluminum bracket and secured it to the SMIC bracket. Wala, no movement of the radiator.

- Brian

[mp3josh]

All I have to say is you need to feel it @ 12 psi :D it is awesome!

[ZMN BY U]

03msp looks nice man i have the same kit i want to order a greddy type s also please tell me what i need to get to make it work right. here are some pics of mine ill put them in heremsp6 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic068.jpg).msp 6 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic067.jpg)msp7 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic070_t.jpg)just click on these.

[ZMN BY U]

also did your hose from the hks kink when you routed it to the injen mine did some so i changed it and put it under the pipe.

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03msp looks nice man i have the same kit i want to order a greddy type s also please tell me what i need to get to make it work right. here are some pics of mine ill put them in heremsp6 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic068.jpg).msp 6 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic067.jpg)msp7 (http://speedoptions.com/events/eventImages.php?id=1764&fileName=pic070_t.jpg)just click on these.Type-S, 19mm adapter - 2 band clamps.

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also did your hose from the hks kink when you routed it to the injen mine did some so i changed it and put it under the pipe.
Yes, replaced it with hose from Autozone.

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I'll try to take one.

This is what I did: I put the existing bracket that held the SMIC in place back on. I then took a piece of an aluminum bar and measured about 8-10" or so. I then drilled an 1/4 hole about one inch from one side. I placed the bar over the protruding plastic on the radiator. Then, from left of the radio the bar went over the SMIC bracket. I made a dot then drilled a hole above the SMIC bracket where a hole on the new bracket would line up with that of the existing bracket. Also, on the aluminum, I made a line where the left of the SMIC bracket was and bent the aluminum down (in a vice) and turned my new bracket to an L bracket. I then put a bolt, two washers, and a nut through the top of the aluminum bracket and secured it to the SMIC bracket. Wala, no movement of the radiator.

- Brian
As promised, picture of bracket...

http://www.03msp.com/icbracket.jpg

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I also just did the "clank" test on the pipes. Anywhere where I felt I heard a clank or thought the pipes were touching something else metal, I had insulated it with 19mm hose cut to about 3 inches and then in half so I would make a square or so. The locations were pipe under the center grill touching the vertical support beam. The second location was pipe touching the metal fan shield that was added to the fan. The third location was master brake cylinder (put foam there last night, may need to use rubber. Lastly, the damn S-pipe off of the intercooler barely with coupling touched the cylinder to the lower part of the drivers side and the other side rubbed against the lower radiator mount. To make sure all was good, I rotozipped a 1/4" boomerang off of the lower radiator mount and insulated with double rubber (like listed above. No more rub, all is nice and quiet. I used tie wraps to holed the rubber in little places on the pipe. Other people may not have these issues, but I don't see how.

- Brian

[ZMN BY U]

i have no problem with mine rubbing either i did at first on the master cylinder but fixed it. Did you buy a longer hose or shorter hose for the bov that goes to the intake. Where do you have your mbc located in the engine bay or you have a ebc.

[jflo]

As promised, picture of bracket...

http://www.03msp.com/icbracket.jpg
(thumb) cool that should help out a lot of people that still worry about their rads w/ this FMIC

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i have no problem with mine rubbing either i did at first on the master cylinder but fixed it. Did you buy a longer hose or shorter hose for the bov that goes to the intake. Where do you have your mbc located in the engine bay or you have a ebc.
The hose I got from Juan was 2 feet. I bought 4 feet. I am only going to use about 2.5 feet of the new stuff, the rest I used for rubbing/padding. I'm anal when it comes to installs, so even if I "think" it may clank, I'm still going to do something about it.

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(thumb) cool that should help out a lot of people that still worry about their rads w/ this FMIC
Yup, I didn't understand how so many people phrased this as being hard. I figured it out right away. Heck I was prepared to laser cut something and mass produce it, but didn't need to do it. A few bucks and it was done. A simple hacksaw, drill, 1/4" drill bit and a vice is all you need. Heck, a vice is optional.

- Brian

[ARunto]

I used a ziptie and the stock rad mount :)

as for your question about the S-Pipe piece. I moved mine about 1/4" towards the radiator and found that it would not rub the a/c cylinder. after doing that it also gave me clearance in between the master cylinder in the top too.

[Captain KRM P5]

Brian, glad to see the kit arrived and (for the most part) all is well and you enjoy it!

[Limited Edition]

By far the best write up i've read. I think this is as close of a feeling anyone can get to actually installing the kit w/o doing it.

Hey, when your friend installs the kit, can you do a How-To of your own. I think YOU are the only one who can write up a better instructions since you will be doing this twice. Again, you even offered to edit Juan's original instructions. Here's your chance

Thanks!!

[jonbig]

bump for that man..my hiboost is on order

[MSPRO]

looks really good. and very familair :)

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By far the best write up i've read. I think this is as close of a feeling anyone can get to actually installing the kit w/o doing it.

Hey, when your friend installs the kit, can you do a How-To of your own. I think YOU are the only one who can write up a better instructions since you will be doing this twice. Again, you even offered to edit Juan's original instructions. Here's your chance

Thanks!!Yeah, I talked with my buddy and we are planning on doing this. Since my last post yesterday, I was able to STALL my car with the HKS.

Yes, it is VERY POSSIBLE. AND IT SUCKS!

Here is the deal. When at a stop sign, say idle, and you rev the car up a little bit, say 3K RPM and let off, the RPM's drop 5 out of 10 times and stalls the car. Also, if you do the same thing and rev it up to 5K RPM or so, there is so much force of air that the RPM's drop a bit quicker (doesn't seem like it at first, but believe me it does), that the RPM's drop and stalls the car. With this kit, there is no bouncing of the RPM's down low, it's nice and pegged on, but the HKS design is so shitty with a shit quarter sized brass looking circular disk with a black diaphram (super shitty) and a cheap ass spring that the valve won't remain held close due to these unquality components. Sure, it's good to have one in the kit, but I would remove this and increase the kit by $150.00 and include a GReddy Type-S (I have, just waiting for the 19mm adapter), but after the stalling issues, I may due what other members listed and get a 25/30mm to 19mm reducer hose/coupler and just do that. At least I know the GReddy is great!

Blah! Happy Monday Morning!

- Brian

[FC3s Boy]

nice write up brain, i don't use a adapter for the BOV the greddy should bolt right on to the HKS flange

[Limited Edition]

So, when is the shippment expected to arrive?
Please keep us posted. I am looking forward to your detailed home made instructions!


Yeah, I talked with my buddy and we are planning on doing this. Since my last post yesterday, I was able to STALL my car with the HKS.

Yes, it is VERY POSSIBLE. AND IT SUCKS!

Here is the deal. When at a stop sign, say idle, and you rev the car up a little bit, say 3K RPM and let off, the RPM's drop 5 out of 10 times and stalls the car. Also, if you do the same thing and rev it up to 5K RPM or so, there is so much force of air that the RPM's drop a bit quicker (doesn't seem like it at first, but believe me it does), that the RPM's drop and stalls the car. With this kit, there is no bouncing of the RPM's down low, it's nice and pegged on, but the HKS design is so shitty with a shit quarter sized brass looking circular disk with a black diaphram (super shitty) and a cheap ass spring that the valve won't remain held close due to these unquality components. Sure, it's good to have one in the kit, but I would remove this and increase the kit by $150.00 and include a GReddy Type-S (I have, just waiting for the 19mm adapter), but after the stalling issues, I may due what other members listed and get a 25/30mm to 19mm reducer hose/coupler and just do that. At least I know the GReddy is great!

Blah! Happy Monday Morning!

- Brian

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nice write up brain, i don't use a adapter for the BOV the greddy should bolt right on to the HKS flange
Nah, you misunderstood. The GReddy does bolt right up to where the HKS did on the cast pipe - no problems, the adapter is a 19mm adapter that screws into the GReddy Type-S that allows you to recirculate the air. I ordered one from a place in Florida and won't have it until Friday/Saturday or early next week. I looked to source it a few other places and they are either out of stock or in dire straights in Florida as well. I went to Ace hardware at lunch and spent $10.00 on three plastic pipe fittings and some flex PVC to temporarily achive the same setup as the 19mm adapter but to slide the flex PVC over the Type-S adapter and recirculate back to the Injen.

And honestly, I stalled 3 times at lunch today because of this shitty ass HKS. Any way I can get a credit back on this?

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So, when is the shippment expected to arrive?
Please keep us posted. I am looking forward to your detailed home made instructions!2-3 weeks, planning on installing on August 31st - cross our fingers....

[Captain KRM P5]

Brian, I sent you a pm but will post it here :: www.8vturbo.com (http://www.8vturbo.com) has the adapters you are seeking

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Brian, I sent you a pm but will post it here :: www.8vturbo.com (http://www.8vturbo.com/) has the adapters you are seeking
That one isn't 19mm (which I ordered and waiting for), but I did order this 1" one as well. One way or another, I"ll get this damn thing fixed. Also, I can experiment with recirculate/non-recirculate as well.

The GReddy is going on tonight one way or another!

- Brian

[Heathen23]

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And honestly, I stalled 3 times at lunch today because of this shitty ass HKS. Any way I can get a credit back on this?[/QUOTE]
This is so odd. I've had nothing but good luck with my hks. I swear more people have problems with this kit one way or another but I've had zero issues. *knocks on wood*

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And honestly, I stalled 3 times at lunch today because of this shitty ass HKS. Any way I can get a credit back on this?This is so odd. I've had nothing but good luck with my hks. I swear more people have problems with this kit one way or another but I've had zero issues. *knocks on wood*[/QUOTE]
Do you have an Injen intake?

[Heathen23]

Do you have an Injen intake?
Sure do. See sig for setup.

[FC3s Boy]

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And honestly, I stalled 3 times at lunch today because of this shitty ass HKS. Any way I can get a credit back on this?This is so odd. I've had nothing but good luck with my hks. I swear more people have problems with this kit one way or another but I've had zero issues. *knocks on wood*[/QUOTE]
you have good karma for sure, that's why....lol

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I FIXED MY FMIC SETUP!

However, the HKS is no longer involved. As I iterated to you earlier today, I had proved that I could stall the HKS while recirculating. In fact, it happened more than four times at lunch today. Also, I had ordered the GReddy 19mm adapter last week, but the place I'm gettting it from is in Florida and won't be able to ship it out until mid-late week. I did a search on the Internet and called around and it seemed everyone who offered the 19mm adapter was either out of stock or located in Florida and had a similiar situation.

So my quest began to find a cheap and easy way to temporarily recirculate my GReddy Type-S by rigging up some means of putting hose over the venting port and recirculating it into my Injen. In esscence, I wanted to find a reducer hose or make one of sorts.

At lunch I went to Ace Hardware, spent $10.00 for what I thought would work, but had a better idea in mind as the reducers were all PVC based plastic and was quite large in size.

On the way home I went to Menards (Home Depot like) and then Autozone and back to Menards. Let me tell you, inner and outer diameter measurements are different when it comes to brass, plastic, and pvc fittings - hence running around. So I blew another $25.00 in parts trying to find the right fit of things.

I'm not going to go into detail on what worked with what, instead I recommend to get that damn GReddy 19mm adapter.

However, I was able to nicely piece together a reducer that consisted of a hose, brass reducer, three clamps, and 3/4" (19mm) hose that went and clamped right to the Injen. Overall, the total cost of real parts $18.00 (as much as a GReddy adapter).

So, I dissasembled my Injen, all hoses, and was able to get at the cast IC pipe. I then gently removed the HKS that came with the kit and put the GReddy with reducer hose already connected on (I measured enough hose to cut the reducer part off the 19mm hose and connect it right up to the GReddy 19mm adapter whenever I get it). I hooked everything back up, put the Injen on, and inspected everything. The entire process took about 40 minutes. I then started the car (on front jack stands). It started nicer, was quieter, idle pegged at 850 RPM (100 RPM than normal), no bounce. I reved it in and out of the car. I tried to rev it low and rev it high and do it in neutral and it was nice as the RPM's "slowly" dropped with no pause in between to 850RPM. I spent 5 minutes trying everything to spoof this idea and couldn't find a failure. Note, I set the GReddy to about 3-3.5 threads showing). So, it was time for a road test.

I slowly navigated out of my driveway through my subdivision, but doing so, reved it a bit in my driveway. Well, let me tell you, I got a lot of where dumbfounded looks from my neighbors.

Okay, so I get to the main road, and I figure if it's gonna break, it will now (tools in car). I slowly turned right and floored it (stock boost), holy shit mother fucker, the car pulled like crazy and all I did was swap the valves. I scared myself - and I rarely do this. My boost held steady all was quiet and then I started trying to fail everything and again, the RPM's slowly dropped to 850RPM (even while going 40MPH in neutral). Woohoo!. Furthermore, I slowed to a stop, took a right, flip the switch on my solenoid (9.5PSI) and floored it. OH MY GOD! (blonde girl's voice), the car ROARED like it was a 747 taking off and about 1/4 mile down the street I was over 100MPH! The car held up great - I mean, holy shit awesome motherfucker great.

Can you tell that I am excited!? Sorry about the cussing, but I wanted to stress my point where most of you could relate.

I further took it on the highway at all speeds and around town and it was perfect, idles better than stock, and is just so awesome.

Okay, so you want to know what it sounds like? Well, as simply put, there is a "little" turkey all over the place, the HKS was turkey no matter what and super loud, this was fairly quiet. There is a PSST and whine sound. I couldn't really get it to PSST so much as when it started, the Turkey took over. I'm sure with the right adapter GReddy adapter, I could probably get it to PSST while recirculating. Actually, it PSST'd when I didn't think it would, and I was coming up on a sherriff and thought "OH SHIT". Anyway, two cars behind on the right side it happened, and I was only doing 35 in a 40 and the cars in front and on the left side turned. It was pretty damn loud, then the turkey. People on the sidewalks had always looked.

Overall, I feel recirculating is better off for the power, you get some noise, but the power overcomes the feeling to just hear it.

With this being said, and all I did was swap BOV's - THE HKS SUCKS ASS in design and quality. I thought it was good enough to do the job - and in my opinion, it failed at that.

Okay, everyone, I hope I had installed hope into some of you. Peace.

- Brian

P.S. www.03msp.com (http://www.03msp.com/) is where you heard it from!

[funktownp5]

How tight do you have the adjustment screw on the type-s? If it is soft enough air will

escape and you will stall, i had the same problems, try to harden the spring and see what

happens.

[Wiggles422]

Brian, was that using both springs in the BOV or just one of them? (if so which one)?

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Brian, was that using both springs in the BOV or just one of them? (if so which one)?
I did not dissassemble the unit from the factory. I assume two as my index finger on the bottom of the valve was hard to push (moreso than the Forge).

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How tight do you have the adjustment screw on the type-s? If it is soft enough air will

escape and you will stall, i had the same problems, try to harden the spring and see what

happens.
Read my posts - I DO NOT GET STALL WITH THE GREDDY, I get stall with the NON-ADJUSTABLE HKS POS.

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Okay, just to reiterate, on my drive to work this morning - unfucking believable - car pulls like crazy. In fact, I ran across this Evo this morning, the guy didn't think anything of my car until I passed him and he heard the "turkey" so then he caught up to me - at the light we talked and we punched it. He pulled on me only 1/2 to 3/4 a car length for a good 1/2 mile or so. Woohoo!

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I went to lunch today and just to mention, the HIBOOST kit (when properly installed with the correct components) KICKS ASS!

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Tried to run the car with GReddy Type-S without recirculating and NO GO. My adapter should be here tomorrow, and I have another size one the day after. Will try vent for luck with the idea of recirculating permanent.

Oh yeah - look at my new sig!

[jflo]

cool, nice to hear that you have your car working in proper order (thumb)

OT: that's a really cool gauge, what kind is it ?

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cool, nice to hear that you have your car working in proper order (thumb)

OT: that's a really cool gauge, what kind is it ?
FAZE A/F Gauge - much better than Autometer.

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Got the adapters and the car will still stall under any condition unless I turn up the idle on the throttle body (it's not worth doing that). Recirculating guarantees best results as well as throttle. Some turkey, a little woosh, and always whine.

- Brian

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19mm adapter on - not much stall when venting, though when recirculating, the sound changes (kinda cool, less Turkey, more whine) but definitely adds to the improvement of control, smoothness, and "power". I'm leaving it this way.

[TigrMsP]

Sound clips? I've got my Type-S venting right now. I'm considering getting the adaptor and recirculating. I don't have a problem doing it if the sound is close to what it is now. I have slight turkey, then a whining PSSST. The only time the car wants to stall is if I shift into neutral at about 3.5 - 4k or higher and let the RPMS fall.

Other than that, I'm loving it. I'm going to play a little more with the settings and see if I can't get the slight turkey out of hard shifts without making the stalling worse.

Sound clips!!!!

[TigrMsP]

Also- What vaccum source are you using for the BOV? Right now I've got mine running off the stock line the BPV used. Should I do a dedicated line for the BOV? If so, how?

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I have mine dedicated off of the Brake Booster Line. I have my boost gauge off of the brake booster line as well.

[casper]

You do need ot post up some sound clips. Also, is it possible to use the stock BPV (or that HKS BPV) with the GReddy Type-S, as you would with hardpipes?