First "mods"...

[Dexter]

the first thing i want to do when i get my mazdaspeed is throw a boost gauge on there.i dont know how i want to mount it though. ideas? other than just standard gauge holders. are there any pillar mounts that would work with the mazdaspeed?

second mod planned is turbo timer.. my question about these is that some say you hook them up via wiring harness. i dunno if they are even gonna make any harnesses for us, and if they do it might take them like months or whatever. so do you NEED a harness, or can you figure it out yourself?

thanx

[JasonH]

Somebody was working on an A-pillar replacement with gauge cups. That way you don't have to hack up your A-pillar trim to mount it. It might have been the same place that had the replacement for the trim on top of the steering column with a single gauge cup in it. That wouldn't be bad if you only wanted a boost gauge, but if you're planning on adding anything else I'd go with a different option. I'm considering mounting gauges in the space under the stereo. The A-pillar mount might be ok, but I'd prefer something stealthier.

[Prophet]

Hopefully we will get something for the A-Pillar. But for now I have a 1 DIN 3 gauge pod that is going under the stereo. I am going to pull that little door and put this in its place.....

First mod is Boost, EGT, and probably oil pressure....or something....I already have an A/F but I don't know if I want to use it.......

Second thing....get the exhaust taken care of.....the cat is clogging the system....so I am either going to remove it or move it further down the line.....

-Jeremy-

[big_ben]

Get the steering column gauge pod. I love mine. It's not in the way on the pillar so that you hit your head on it as you are getting out of the car. And it's not blocking any of the other dash gauges. It's perfect.

[Prophet]

Where did you get it at? If you are still here msg me on AIM: ProphetSHO.

-Jeremy-

[Clumsy]

what about the blitz turbo timer with boost guage??

[big_ben]

Gauge pod (http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4013)
Here is the thread about them.

[big_ben]

If I were buying the MS Pro, the first thing I'd do is replace the whole exhaust system with a 3" exhaust. I'd order all the mandrel bent pipes from JC Whitney, then take them to a muffler shop and have them build it. The tubing will cost about $130, then the new muffler would be about $150, the instalation around $150. That is seriously the best "first" mod to do. Then I'd go with the boost controler and front mount IC. Then I'd build a water/alcohol injection system. Then I'd be right around 200whp.

[Prophet]

What erks me is how do we do the mods without voiding the warranty? I know the exhaust is a no brainer cause it won't void the warranty. A boost controller would be nice, but what you would want to do is keep the factory wastegate hose, take it to a hardware store and find on just like it to cut. That way you can put the factory hose back on. It may be over kill, but just in case those MSP's have marked hoses. Or maybe it is all that smoke that is making me paranoid......

You can't use a bigger Front mount cause you can't put the stock back in all that easy......

I am all for more power, but not at the price of sacrificing my warranty....especially on an unproven car......

-Jeremy-

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[big_ben]

The stock IC is easy to put back in. All you have to do is take the bumper off. I've taken my bumper off so many times I think I could do it in less than one minute now. As for keeping the stock wastegate hose, I speak from experience, KEEP EVERYTHING YOU TAKE OFF THE CAR! I'm kicking myself for not doing that.

[Dexter]

Originally posted by Prophet
I am all for more power, but not at the price of sacrificing my warranty....especially on an unproven car......

-Jeremy-

<----- PS Like my avatar?

word. i am going to wait and see how everyone else mods thiers up, and also what the mazdaspeed dealers will offer in terms of performance mods. thats why the first mods that i want to do dont really affect performance.

is that avatar panties on a chair?? lol

[Limited Edition]

i think mine will be an intake..
not sure whether i'll go for a short ram intake or spend the extra $ and get a cold air set-up. I don't think the cold air is really worth the extra money when all i'll get is an additional 1-2 HP? and it will be a hassle to get to the filter and clean it...it will be soo much more dirty down below rather than just in the engine bay.

does all 3rd generation protege intakes fit for proteges? (Mp5/Mp3/MS-P)?

[big_ben]

No one makes and intake for it yet. It's not even out yet. The current ones are for non turbo Pro's. You'll have to custom make something. Too easy.

[Prophet]

I don't like the idea of pulling my front bumper cover off everytime my car goes in for service. I hope I don't have to go in at all, as I will be doing my own oil changes. I don't want to run the risk of damaging anything.


And yes, those would be a pair of yellow thong underwear. I stole the pic from the SVTPerformance forums. Some guy with an '03 Cobra wasted some eclipse ricer. The ricer bet that he could beat the car (obviously not knowing what the cobra was). The wager was $100 from the guy or the ricer's girlfriend. The girl even agreed on the bet. The guy didn't have the heart to take the girl home to his wife, so he made her give up her panties. So that is a pair of yellow underwear strewn across leather '03 cobra seats.

-Jeremy-

[ChopstickHero]

remember that your car is turbo, even the regular engine mods that regular proteges have will have an increased effect b/c of the turbo. so instead of the avg 1-3 hp gain using a CAI, expect a 5-10hp gain. if you get hotter cams and cam gears, you'll definitely get alot more power than the NA setup. it's like the turbo multiplies the effects of these mods, where as the NA setup doesn't. a good idea would be to get a boost controller and a fuel pressure regulator. turn up the boost, inject more fuel and you'll definitely get alot more power.

[JasonH]

I'd like to put three gauges in the space under the radio. Prophet (or anybody,) do you have a good link on where to buy a gauge panel or how to make one? I'd like to have a professional looking one with no screws or anything exposed on the front. I also don't want to do any cutting or drilling of the dash, so I can make it stock again if I desire.

Also, what gauges will match the dash? And how difficult are they to wire up (I guess an EGT might be the most difficult, but how about if I want boost, oil pressure and oil temp?)

Thanks,
Jason

[Prophet]

Actually believe it or not, you can get a 1 DIN panel from http://www.cincysho.com

In their exclusive products page, they have a 3 gauge pod for the DIN location. I can't say it will fit, but it did fit my escorts 1 din location under the hvac controlds.

-Jeremy-

[Dexter]

hey, will the Injen air intake for the protege (P5 / MP3) work for this car? i would assume it would but i dunno. ... .

[JasonH]

After looking around at DIN-size panels, and not liking the ones at the SHO site, I think I'll order a blanking plate from Mazda and just make my own. The main advantage, I think, is that it will have clips to fit in the place of the storage cubby so I won't have to have screws or bolts on the front. The plastic should also match the black plastic on the car. If I'm really adventurous, maybe I'll paint it the same color as the silver trim, or try to do it in carbon fiber if I can find a good match for that.

Now, any advice on gauges? How hard are they to wire?

[PhyschoMP3]

Hey If you guys wantin to keep your intercooler cold why dont you just get the nitrous express intercooler kit. It freezes the shit out of it and it'll make your air cold! Or from what I hear. And about the boost controller man mazda is way to bitchy to pull that off plus from experiance some ecu's can tell when you add or unplug certain devices. Like we sell choppers, for like corn and stuff and tractors, and those ecu's have a laptop program where you plug in the laptop and it tells when It was reset if anything was added and evrythin

[enry]

http://mixx.8m.com/fic/pod2a.jpg

this guy painted his mp3 orange.

curious.

[big_ben]

so instead of the avg 1-3 hp gain using a CAI, expect a 5-10hp gain.
Actually, a CAI on a turbo really won't have much of an effect. The air is heated bup after it goes through the turbo anyway. It will add good sound though.

this guy painted his mp3 orange.
That's my car. I didn't paint it orange.

[enry]

Originally posted by big_ben
That's my car. I didn't paint it orange.

You gotta admit it looks orange in that pic... no? ;)

[big_ben]

Man Enry, you might be color blind. :D It looks nothing like orange to me.:confused:

[Prophet]

I say if you are going to void your warranty do it right! Slap on bigger injectors (450cc), bigger intercooler, boost gauges, Apex'i S-AFC, Profec-B and turn the boost up to 12-15.

They said that if you turn the boost up past 12 it will result in bottem end damage. See that is on stock ecu and stock injectors. See above......DSM'ers have been doing this for years.

As far as the "orange" car.....no it doesn't look orange, it is a dark shade of yellow. The shifter boot on the other hand is a shade of orange. I think it is the quality of the pic. In your sig it is definately yellow, but in the gauge pic, it is far darker.......

-Jeremy-

*Edit* By the way Ben, have you voided your warranty yet?

[big_ben]

I say if you are going to void your warranty do it right! Slap on bigger injectors (450cc), bigger intercooler, boost gauges, Apex'i S-AFC, Profec-B and turn the boost up to 12-15.
You for got one of the biggest and most important parts if you want that kind of boost. TIMING CONTROL. The stock knock sensor will not do.


*Edit* By the way Ben, have you voided your warranty yet?
Oh yeah! :D

[Prophet]

What did you use for timing control........

If you really want to do it right....Haltech.....why mess around and try to jerry rig it when you can do it right the first time......

Dude, msg me on AIM: ProphetSHO

-Jeremy-

[big_ben]

I don't have AIM. Haltech is expensive though. It is much better than a Link or a J&S such as I use though. THe J&S is mostly pasive timing control(it reacts then retards the timing) The link and Greddy Emanage is an active timing controller(you decide the retard amount and area of the rpm band you want it at. Although, John, the guy who makes the J&S said the newer model of the safeguard such as I have, ultra-safeguard is also active.(it has a MAP sensor for boost and you can retard timing per boost)

[Prophet]

Gimmie more info...sounds tasty, web page, phone #, price?

-Jeremy-

[big_ben]

www.jandssafeguard.com
approx. $500 just for the unit, approx. $200 for the gauge if you want one.

[MMMatHeart]

Hey Big Ben,
What kinda boost are you running on your pro? Have you done any internal strengthening to compensate?

[Boosted]

Originally posted by Prophet


They said that if you turn the boost up past 12 it will result in bottem end damage. See that is on stock ecu and stock injectors. See above......DSM'ers have been doing this for years.




Don't mean to sound illiterate nor do i mean to sound like an diznick to you but i don't get this part of your post....

Who said that if you turn up the boost up past 12 it will result in bottem end damage?

and

"see that is on stock ecu and stock injectors"..did you mean "See, that is with the stock ecu and stock injectors"...?

and also..what have DSM'ers been doing for years? doing the mods you listed?

Thanks.

E

[Prophet]

Originally posted by Boosted



Don't mean to sound illiterate nor do i mean to sound like an diznick to you but i don't get this part of your post....

Who said that if you turn up the boost up past 12 it will result in bottem end damage?

and

"see that is on stock ecu and stock injectors"..did you mean "See, that is with the stock ecu and stock injectors"...?

and also..what have DSM'ers been doing for years? doing the mods you listed?

Thanks.

E

No problem. DSM'ers have a problem. They can boost up to 18 psi on the stock ecu and stock injectors. There injectors are 450 cc. Pretty healthy for stock psi which is like 11 or 10. I have been told that our injectors are like between 200cc and 300cc on the MSP. Well all you have to do is throw bigger injectors (DSM 450cc's for isntance, like I have) and some time of fuel controller and maybe a timing controller..... and you can boost well past 9 psi. It is a matter of how much tuning you have before you run into problems with the internals.

On the question of bottem end damage. It was said by someone at the Mazda heat seminar they had or are having through out this month.

When my warranty is about up I have a nice pyle of parts here that I can toss on the ole' MSP and start putting out some nice numbers on stock internals. It has already been said that it can handle 350 hp on stock internals.... now internals does not include stock injectors, fuel, or ecu....... stock internals is crank, pistons, rods, etc....

-Jeremy-