autoweek july 19

[NoVaMSP]

dunno if this is old news or not but i was reading threw auto week and noticed this blurb about the upcoming ms6 im a little jelous

" mazda is prepping its own entry for the subie/mitsu rally wars-a 276hp 265 lb
mazda 6 is slatted for a mid 05 world debut .this siling prototype geta a twin turbocharged and intercooled 2.3lt four mated to a 6 speed gearbox and sends power via allwheel drive to 18" tires. the production model should debut at its sept. paris show carrying either the MPS or mazdaspeed monkier"

thats pretty sick mmmmmmtwinturboawd

[c0nfus3d]

Pics!!!!!!!!!!

[NoVaMSP]

Pics!!!!!!!!!!
it does show a couple pics looks like a white 6 no wing , the wheels look similar to the current rx8 wheels lots of front air dans

[enigM@]

there's a thread here somewhere that has a link to the article

[NoVaMSP]

great option for all those guys selling off there msps for evos and stis , im sure this would prob retail for 30-32k tho , i preffer cars with a little more exclusitivity - one of the reasons i drive a mazda to begin with . its been a while since theres been twin turbo AWD anything in the US

[kaynzho]

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...t_code=07383418 (http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=07383418)

[FSDET]

and its gonna be clunk free i heard

[FSDET]

u cant compare the ms6 to the sti.. its in legacy's catagory

[Scott]

I'd be torn over whether I would rather own a Forrester STi or Mazdaspeed 6 for a family car...

[Dexter]

Or post this in the Mazda6 section.

[Wiggles422]

two turbos for a 2.3L 4 cylinder? seems like a little overkill to me... unless they get a small one to spool up the bigger one quicker ;)

[MSPinVA]

Been a while since there was a TT AWD car in the states.... hmm..... maybe the audi TT........ :)

[Delivery_Guy]

two turbos for a 2.3L 4 cylinder? seems like a little overkill to me... unless they get a small one to spool up the bigger one quicker ;)

Pretty sure they'd go with the V6. Might explain the twin turbos a little better.

[Wiggles422]

twin turbocharged and intercooled 2.3lt four
Maybe "four" is reffering to something else. Either way I read it as a 4 cylinder. But I do agree a V6 would make more sense with twin turbos

[protegeV]

they got snapshots of it, they dont know what kind of engine is in it...its all speculation

[Delivery_Guy]

Maybe "four" is reffering to something else. Either way I read it as a 4 cylinder. But I do agree a V6 would make more sense with twin turbos

Have to say I didn't really read the article...just guessing that they would use the largest engine they offer.

[FSDET]

Been a while since there was a TT AWD car in the states.... hmm..... maybe the audi TT........ :)
if u mean audiTT is twin turbo... then ur mistaken its 1 turbo TT=Turd turbo

[protegeV]

the 3.0 MZ6 understeers like a bitch...a 2.3T would offer a much better balance of handling, power, and fuel economy.

[NoVaMSP]

Or post this in the Mazda6 section.
sorry dex. i relize its more 6 related then protege , but there wasnt any real new posts for a couple hours (lastnight) ,i thought it would give us something to talk about and i dont know anyone on the 6 side of things.
the people on this side of the forum im used to talking with and were interested in what other protege owners thought.

[Mallard]

Pretty sure they'd go with the V6. Might explain the twin turbos a little better.
the AWD can't be packaged with the v6, so the 4cylinder has to be used.

[protegeV]

dont worry NoVa, he doesnt understand that all MSP owners are only allowed to post in the MSP section, no matter what the topic ;) (lol2)

[NoVaMSP]

twins are fine for a 2.3 - 4 , even with all its weight this thing will be a rocket.
i cant wait to see them try some shit like a 8x10 IC core with tt (hopefully not)
mazdas have great handleing normally - have they ever tried a AWD? or AWD turbo ? ill prob test drive one of these just to see if they can pull it off

[protegeV]

oh but of course a test drive will be required...IF they are willing to give them(shrug)

[Mallard]

have they ever tried a AWD? or AWD turbo ? ill prob test drive one of these just to see if they can pull it off
The 6 has AWD in Japan...hence where they got it from.

[NoVaMSP]

oh but of course a test drive will be required...IF they are willing to give them(shrug)
they might if you allredy have a mazda , and play it off like you really wanna trade up . maybe after a couple months

[protegeV]

haha, i already used up that excuse... Test drove an RX-8:D

[All Boost]

I sure its the 2.3T, the twin turbo part must have been a typo. And i don't see any reason why it couldn't compete with the evo or sti.

[Autox MSP]

It can't compare with the evo and the sti because they're small lighter cars built for the track. The mazdaspeed 6 is probably have leather and electronic climate control, power seating, softer ride, seat warmers etc etc. More luxury performance then all out balls performance like the evo/sti.
Also the STi now has a yaw sensor to distrabute power by cars position and so will the evo in 2005 model. Simple awd system can not compete at the track with these techno gadgets.

Mazdaspeed 6 will be a really nice car though for people that want some luxury with performance. Currently the R32 is the only one that provides both and the R32 weights good 200lbs more then the evo/sti.

[Rainman]

Maybe thats why the 2005 Legacy GT has the de-tuned STi engine in it, pumping out 250 hp!

I recall reading somewhere (after doing an online search about the MSP6) that the car was slated to run with a twin-turbo, but for logistical reasons they opted for a single turbo model for their proposed production run.

Since the lease on the B-car, our Protege SE, is up in a month, I will have to pick up a Legacy GT instead of the Mazda 6 (gotta love the turbo). However, I think that I'll be trading in the Legacy GT for a Mazdaspeed 6 come next summer!


Rainman


u cant compare the ms6 to the sti.. its in legacy's catagory

[Hercdriver]

Do 6's even come with an option for four cylinders? I would hope they would keep the 6 in there and work on the 3 if they wanted a performance 4 cylinder.

[Mallard]

Do 6's even come with an option for four cylinders? I would hope they would keep the 6 in there and work on the 3 if they wanted a performance 4 cylinder.
read the previous posts

the AWD can't be packaged with the v6, so the 4cylinder has to be used.

[oliver2000]

great option for all those guys selling off there msps for evos and stis , im sure this would prob retail for 30-32k tho , i preffer cars with a little more exclusitivity - one of the reasons i drive a mazda to begin with . its been a while since theres been twin turbo AWD anything in the US

Personally I am waiting for the Mazdaspeed RX-8......my guess is 2006.....the pattern is a new Mazdaspeed every year....

2001 MP3 concept released
2003 MSP
2004 Mazdaspeed Miata
2005 Mazdaspeed 6
2006 RX-8 ??, Mazda 3 ??,Tribute (JK ), MPV ( JK )

[Mallard]

Road & Track tested a "MazdaSpeed RX8" this month, although it only had an upgraded suspension and stock engine while I think it's supposed to get a supercharger.

[FSDET]

im guessing its gonna have less power then legacy but better handling...

[jeffmsp]

who cares about a ms6? It wont beat a suby sti or evo and the legacy looks better imo not to mention it will weigh a ton and cost a lot. Mazda needs to learn how to make cars that can compete against the other companies best, not put out stuff that doesnt even run right. maybe its just me. Hopefully they will pull themselves together for the msrx8.

and before you go flame because i didnt talk about how amazing mazdas are remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But face the facts, the msp runs like shit, i cant believe they even released the cars like this. What a disapointment. Lets see what they can do this time with the rx8 and 6 speed. i guess we can only pray the dipshits that did the msps ecu got fired the first time around and that they at least compete well against the competition...maybe they need to rehire the guys who made the 323gtx, pull them out of retirement to produce a vehicle of similar caliber with modern technology. Who knows, it might even run right lol

everything here is imo.

[Mallard]

Doesn't run right? I'd like to hear an explanation on this.

The MSP runs well for what it was designed to do. It was not built to be a big boost car like the SRT-4. A lot of people on here get mad because they can't turn a little knob to make their car faster without worries. The MSP was built to handle corners and give an added boost over the MP3, which it does nicely IMO. My hesatation has never been bad and I haven't had any problems, so far. You have to remember that our car is not built to be an EVO fighter. It's a $16-20k car and for it's price I think they did well.

The MS6 will probably be no different. It will offer more performance, awesome handling, and a sporty package for a price that won't break the bank. Lagacy GT = 250hp, MS6=276hp...276>250. Although if you're looking to void your warrenty quick get the Sube since all the WRX/STi stuff bolts up.

[jeffmsp]

you are definately right about the handling, I guess I am just really frustrated with the way the motor runs. I just think they should have put more thought into it.

[Dr.Sound]

my service manager already pre-ordered his.
it's gonna be 4-cyl for sure, not a V6.

plus those pics are not what it will look like.

[Notorious]

Well if you have a blue 03.5 you never would have experienced the hesitation that us 03 guys have because you would already have received the flash when you bought the car. But I agree, it runs decent but far from wrong.




Doesn't run right? I'd like to hear an explanation on this.

The MSP runs well for what it was designed to do. It was not built to be a big boost car like the SRT-4. A lot of people on here get mad because they can't turn a little knob to make their car faster without worries. The MSP was built to handle corners and give an added boost over the MP3, which it does nicely IMO. My hesatation has never been bad and I haven't had any problems, so far. You have to remember that our car is not built to be an EVO fighter. It's a $16-20k car and for it's price I think they did well.

The MS6 will probably be no different. It will offer more performance, awesome handling, and a sporty package for a price that won't break the bank. Lagacy GT = 250hp, MS6=276hp...276>250. Although if you're looking to void your warrenty quick get the Sube since all the WRX/STi stuff bolts up.

[Rainman]

It gets pretty frustrating sometimes when people talk about the MSP and mention it in the same breath as the Evo or STi. As has been mentioned, for what it was meant to be it does a decent job. But, when you have a package that handles as well as it does and could potentially live up to the rivalry with the Evo and STi it is definitely a disappointment that we are so...shall we say...equinely-handicapped (read: politically correct for not enough f--king HP). Yes, it is a front-wheel driver. However, I have driven the STi and while the engine is in a whole different league of its own, the car itself doesn't handle any better than our little MSP. Many people realize this and have voiced a sentiment that is shared by more than just a few people. The MSP needs more HP. It wasn't meant to be a rally car, but it isnt' simply a grocery-getter. It NA Protege sibling does compete fairly vigourously in the Touring Car class against some pretty solid makes.

IMO, the MSP is a good little car. It does have its faults, but there aren't any limited edition cars that doen't have some quirk to make them stand out. However, with some fine tuning and some additional power, the MSP could be a great car. As JeffMSP said, I am hoping that they learn from their mistakes and turn the MSP6 into a hardcore performance machine. I'll be the first in line to snap one up. In the meantime, I'm going with the Legacy GT as our 2nd car.

Rainman

[jeffmsp]

for the record i was comparing the ms6 to the sti and evo, but thanks for the agreement. I wonder if they are going to can the 6 when the MS version comes out like the protege? I believe the MS miata was the last of that body style as well...or maybe the 6 is going into its second gen in 2006 and they are making the ms6 to finish off the current design and start with a 2nd gen the next year......