Pics of what mild steel IC pipes look inside

[kicker22705]

i just had an extremely horrible experience w/ getting a custom intercooler installed on my car. mainly do to the fact that the tuner shop (owner to be specific) didn't know the difference b/t mild steel and stainless steel. i could ramble on but i won't. i'll just post pics for people so they can learn from my grave mistake.

here are pictures of the mild steel ic pipes fabricated for my MSP. keep in mind these were only installed on my car for ONLY 2 DAYS and this is what they look like after just 2 days. You can judge for yourself and determine if you want to go stainless or mild.

[MSP#735]

powder coat em and say the hell with em....hehe

[azian6er]

powder coat em and say the hell with em....hehe

exactly what i did. now look:


http://www.msprotege.com/members/azian6er/mods.2%20003.jpg

-B

[kicker22705]

i did the latter to the tuner shop. i'm getting my money refunded to me tomorrow.

[azian6er]

man keep those bitches as long as they fit ok!! you can polish them then clear coat and they will be fine, or just have them powdercoated. Dont let them go to waste.

-B

[Mike R]

Paint or powder coat. No big deal. Spearco I/C kits come w/ mild steel pipes.

[kicker22705]

did you guys see the inside of the pipes tho? i accidently forgot to post it the first time. its rusting inside after just 2 days. i mean if it was just rusting on the outside, i would be happy w/ the idea of powercoating or polishing it. unfortuneatly that wasn't the case. that plus the fact that the owner lied to me and said i was purchasing stainless steel when i was actually getting mild just further makes me to get my money back. this on top of the fact the money i spent on this kit, i could have gotten the hiboost which is also mild but at least comes chrome plated.

[Mike R]

The lying thing I understand. You could paint/powdercoat inside also. My spearco pipes are rusting inside. Doesn't really bother me though, they are rotting in a basement anyway. 900 bucks wasting away.....

[Wiggles422]

Rusting on the outside is no problem. I'm worried about my hiboost rusting on the inside. I'm kinda nervous now.
Any solutions to this? I called the local powdercoating place and they said that they could only powdercoat a few inches deep on the inside of the piping. My only guess is to pour some kinda of liquid clear coat or paint down the piping in hopes that it will seal the piping from rust. But I wouldn't want the paint to chip off due to heat and then get sucked into the engine.

[ARunto]

just coat it with a little WD40 and you'll be ok

[Black Majik MSP]

That's an awful lot of piping Bryan. Have you seen the Perrin thread? Their SRI & FMIC appear to have about 1/2 as much total piping as that. :p

[ChopstickHero]

ooooooh... Russsssty

[ARunto]

His piping looks to include the intake and intercooler pipes

[Black Majik MSP]

His piping looks to include the intake and intercooler pipes
I know...read my post again.

[SoniCraze]

umm, whats the # of this shop? ill see if i can get a deal on em...
Thx!

[speedhawaii]

eww

[Horse]

just get your pipes ceramic coated - they do inside and outside -

yeah a bit more than powdercoating - but its also a more efficient heat barrier

[DSMConvert]

yea I feel for ya on the lying part, makes it worse that they didnt even bother to paint/seal the outsides of the pipes...a little rusting inside isnt that big of a deal, but the outside should of def been sealed...

[kicker22705]

the whole powder coat and ceramic coating sounds like a good idea, but a horrible value in my case. i already dumped in 900 bucks to these fools (360 for ic, 450 for pipes & labor, and 100 for radiator fan) and i have to dump in more just too keep it from rusting. the money i spend on the ic + piping + fan + ceramic coating would equal or exceed the price of the ion which is polished stainless steel.

[azian6er]

i had my pipes powdercoated on the inside as well. 200 for all that you see there.

-B

[Wiggles422]

do you know how they powdercoated the inside of the pipes? the people here (as already stated) said they cant do that.

[kicker22705]

but 200 would take me to the point where i spend a grand total of $1100. $1100 is way too much for mild steel intercooler setup. if i'm spending that kind of cash, stainless steel isnt' even good enough, i better be getting aluminum.

[mattybo]

but 200 would take me to the point where i spend a grand total of $1100. $1100 is way too much for mild steel intercooler setup. if i'm spending that kind of cash, stainless steel isnt' even good enough, i better be getting aluminum.

www.jet-hot.com

They charge about 15-20 bucks per foot and they coat the inside and outside. Best shit around hands down. Get your exhaust mani done and it will reduce engine temps by almost 50%. Not to mention extend the life of your mani almost 10 fold. Doing the pipes will also keep the charged air ALOT cooler.

[SoniCraze]

not gonna give the #?

[kicker22705]

not gonna give the #?i'm not sure if youre talking to me. i'm still in possession of these pipes, i'm returning it tomorrow. i'm expecting a full refund but if shit gets hairy i dunno what exactly will happen w/ the pipes.

also keep in mind, if you buy these pipes from the shop, you will need a ic to fit it. they custom fabbed the pipes for my garrett ic i bought off of ebay. also note this setup requires cutting of the bumber and replacement of one the radaitor fans (driver side) thats sits behind the stock intercooler. the stock one is too big and gets in the way of the pipes, so i had to purchase a flexalite flan ($100) to replace the stock one just to keep the car from overheating.

one more thing, it already has a hks ssqv flange on it.

if you want pics of the intercooler i'll post them. i took a lot of pics of the intercooler and ic pipes while it was still on my car w/ and w/out the bumper.

[C-Bass]

Yeah, screw getting them coated. If the guy told you stainless steel, he has to give you stainless steel. It's not your fault he fucked up, it's his, and it's his job to remedy the situation. $900 isn't a terrible deal for a custom setup, but make sure the assclown knows you want what you paid for.

[mattybo]

Yeah, screw getting them coated. If the guy told you stainless steel, he has to give you stainless steel. It's not your fault he fucked up, it's his, and it's his job to remedy the situation. $900 isn't a terrible deal for a custom setup, but make sure the assclown knows you want what you paid for.

honestly i would ask for a part refund. Jet hot coated IC pipes will perform better than any other pipe out there, regardless of what it is made out of.

[kicker22705]

Yeah, screw getting them coated. If the guy told you stainless steel, he has to give you stainless steel. It's not your fault he fucked up, it's his, and it's his job to remedy the situation. $900 isn't a terrible deal for a custom setup, but make sure the assclown knows you want what you paid for.
i must have asked him at least 10 times is it stainless steel and everytime he said yes. he said, "we don't use mild steel, we only use stainless steel b/c mild steel blisters". it wasn't until i called him out, that he called someone up to find out what type of steel it was. sure enough it was mild steel. and he had the nerves to get mad at me for not wanting his ic pipes anymore and to top it off he indirectly called me a ricer for wanting shiney stainless steel instead of his rusted mild steel. this guy is supposed to be 1/2 owner too, wtf.

[RyanJayG]

BBB his ass if he doesn't replace them or pay for the powdercoating

[SoniCraze]

o, well if the guys a total ass about it i wouldnt want to give him any business.

Thanks for the info tho.

[NoVaMSP]

that sucks ass , even stainless will tarnish and rust a little bit . but thats horrible imagine after a year. i didnt know the highboost kit is plated mild . thats kinda lame but the price is right. fortunatly for me i knew a little bit about pipe (pipe fitter by trade)
and i had my custom IC pipeing made from SS and then thermal coated them . this cost me an extra 300$ but theyll always look brand new (so im told) 8 months so far so good at this point if that shop dicks you any harder , you might as well keep them and look into that jet coat stuff , its supposed to be the shit.

[azian6er]

dood i think the guy had to know if it was stainless or not. He threw you the major stiffie no jk. Get a fucking refund.

-B

[NoVaMSP]

dood i think the guy had to know if it was stainless or not. He threw you the major stiffie no jk. Get a fucking refund.

-B

agree 110% that guy had to know if wasnt stainless , unless its his first rodeo
and never seen an intercooler or hard pipe in his life . think about it did they have any other cars there filled with rusty ass pipe ?? man you sure the hell cant pop your hood and be like check out my sweet pipes.

i think you should atleast start a new thread " dont buy from ______"
people should know

[wicked]

Three words, Better Buseness Bureau!

You don't need to go to them,but you need to threaten this shop shark with it.
you could have him pay for the coating,refund them,or remake them out of stainless.

you could also threaten him with BAR.they don't fuck around,they take names.

[FunkyBuddha]

ceramic coat them.

[jurgs01]

I reiterate everything I have said about mild steel in past hiboost threads. Don't let a shop tell you they don't know the difference between SS and mild steel. SS is a CRES material and is non-magnetic. Mild steel is highly magnetic. To bend it you have to know the difference. I wouldn't bother getting them powdercoated. All it takes is a little chip off the powdercoat and that exposed steel is rusting. SS will tarnish on the outside a bit, but it is almost rust proof. Aluminum is the best for intake and IC piping because of its specific heat (a little bit worse that plastic, but much better than steel). This will keep the cold air in and the hot engine air out. A lot of people go mild steel because of the price, but how well do you think your pipe will insulate when it is half rust? You are almost better off keeeping the stock plastic LOL.

[KyRaceFan]

Shoulda gone aluminum... sucks you got screwed over though, but charge pipes IMO should be aluminum, not steel.

[mp5smuggler]

full refund. all new pipes out of SS or JET HOT coat. tell him those are his 3 choices. if he doesnt want to do any of them. your 3 choices are BBB , lawyer , wraping the rusty pipes round his head.

if he doesnt make this right for you THEN post the company name and number so nobody else will deal with them.

[Riles]

At this point, I would sue the shop in small claims court. It doesn't cost too much in court costs, and if he knows he screwed up, he'll probably settle before you go to court. Also, it only takes 1-2 days out of your schedule.

[DSMConvert]

yea the guy was takin ya for a walk...to weld SS you need a tig welder, goes for aluminum too, mild stel is welded with a mig...

[computerGeek]

i must have asked him at least 10 times is it stainless steel and everytime he said yes. he said, "we don't use mild steel, we only use stainless steel b/c mild steel blisters". it wasn't until i called him out, that he called someone up to find out what type of steel it was. sure enough it was mild steel. and he had the nerves to get mad at me for not wanting his ic pipes anymore and to top it off he indirectly called me a ricer for wanting shiney stainless steel instead of his rusted mild steel. this guy is supposed to be 1/2 owner too, wtf.
I would have his ass in a sling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now i am pissed!!!!! and i don't even know you or him!

[jurgs01]

wraping the rusty pipes round his head.

(yupnope)

[kicker22705]

well i went to the shop and after 30 minutes of bitching i got couple more options but not the one that i wanted. he won't give me a full refund. he was willing to refund me the $318 for the mild steel pipes but would not budge on the labor of $110.

his excuse was, he mounted my intercooler which took 2 hours, and he has to charge me for that b/c it goes on regarded of what kind of steel the pipes are. my argument was i would never have had them mount it if they had told me it was mild steel b/c i would have never took my business to them. he went on to say he actually did me lots of favors by not charging me for the other 2 hours of labor it took to put on the pipes and not charging me for the hks flange. bullshit anyways b/c he quoted me $110 for total labor before he started it, and i'm gonna take the flange as compensation for taking a week to do my pipes when he quoted 2 nites.

he also won't pay for my powder coat, but he said he will spray paint it. he also said he can't credit me the $110.

basically all he can do is give me installations at discount prices, and order me products at cost until i get my moneys worth.

[NoVaMSP]

basically all he can do is give me installations at discount prices, and order me products at cost until i get my moneys worth.[/QUOTE]
or you can cocktail this assholes shop at 2am
or you can take him to small claims for a refund

sorry man if your not going to go threw the trouble of sueing him
ge tthem coated asap give him the big f you and bash him online

[C-Bass]

This guy needs to be taken to court. He HAS to give you a full refund, he F'in LIED to your face. DO NOT SETTLE with what he's offering, it isn't good enough. I wouldn't want his ass installing anything else on my car anyway.

Don't back down, man. He's going to keep doing this BS to people until somebody puts his ass in a sling. Seriously, you owe it to yourself and your fellow enthusiasts to make this guy set it straight.

[mattybo]

dude havent you ever seen Judge Judy? Bring his ass to small claims court. Sue for the cost you paid in FULL because you cant use ANY of his product. Also sue for the labor costs as well as any court costs you come across. Get yourself a lawyer, this case should cost around 500-750 dollars....

[computerGeek]

Walk back in there and say...

I thought it over. You did me no favors. You quoted me a price and did it. that is not a favor. You quoted me time which ended up going on longer. that cost me money. You LIED to me and said it was stainless steal. LIED!!!!! You are a con artist. I am going to consult a lawyer (never say i am going to sue becuase if you don't they can sue you for that) and i will be in touch. I will also be contacting the better business bureau and stating my case on message forums WITHOUT SLANDER to any and all i can find.

thank you for lying to me and hopefully you will see things get rectified justly!

Good day sir


just like that!!!!!!!!!!!

[03MSPRO]

Porshe uses mild steel pipes.

[jurgs01]

Porshe uses mild steel pipes.
That's because most Porche owners don't know ?#$% about cars and just buy them for the name and the look. Porche knows that better than anybody.

About the pipes, if you have SS quoted on your receipt then you have him nuts in a vice. If it is just your word against his you will not win a court case, but it doesn't hurt to tell him that and try to get new pipes or some more cash.

[03MSPRO]

Weird, even BEGI says that mild steel won't rust easily on the inside because oil vapors.

[kicker22705]

well after a very long and miserable experience i've decided to just sell the kit. i'm selling everything for $599. i cleaned it up nicely so who every buys it can paint, jet coat it, or whatever they want w/ it, i don't.

heres a link of the most recent pictures after i cleaned it all up w/ prices and what it all includes.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1132576#post1132576

[azian6er]

ok, what i dont get is why are you taking a 250 dollar hit when you can just have them powdercoated for less than that?

something doesnt match up.

Do you just not like this kit and want to get rid of it?

-B

[instylz]

ok, what i dont get is why are you taking a 250 dollar hit when you can just have them powdercoated for less than that?

something doesnt match up.

Do you just not like this kit and want to get rid of it?

-B
dude I'm with you...$250 will get the coating no problem...

[kicker22705]

i don't like mild steel. i've always wanted to get the ion kit b/c it was polished stainless and it looks nice and perfromed well. i read a lot of threads comparing hiboost and ion and jack brought up a very good points of having ion's stainless steel over mild. he said stainless won't rust outside or inside, and its a better heat barrier than mild. what good is it having an intercooler, if the air is gonna get hot again anyways b/c mild steel doesn't shield heat well.

i've made up my mind a long time ago i rather get great quality and performance for more money, than something cheaper but less efficient.

[speedhawaii]

sorry 2 hear

[instylz]

if its jet coated then it will perform better than its stainless counterpart....still don't see a reason to not keep it...

[kicker22705]

i can't find prices on the jet coat. i emailed them couple days ago but haven't gotton a response yet. i'm not familair w/ jet coat. does it do the inside of the pipes as well?

[azian6er]

i think he just has had a bad experience with these and wants to get rid of them.

-B

[03MSPRO]

so how did the car performed with the FMIC kit on?
If you don't want to powder coat the pipes, just painted them yourself.

[kicker22705]

well it ran pretty good for the most part.

first the good: i noticed my car was faster. since i was without my car for 8 days when i got the car back w/ the fmic, i didn't have a good comparison to see if my car felt faster than w/o fmic. however, when i took it off, and took it for a drive, i noticed it was definately slower w/out the intercooler. now it feels like my car can't breathe after 3k.

now the bad: the hessitation kicked in earlier than stock (this can be good or bad depending on where your shift points are). when i'm w/out an intercooler, the hessitation comes in around 3-4 k rpm and pulls after that. w/ the intercooler, hessitation came in early around 2.5-3k rpm and pulled hard after that. my hks bov also sound retarded sometimes. like bov at neutral would sound like someone blowing into an empty bottle, and blow off in the hessitation range would get a double hks blow off at a lower pitch. its hard to explain. one more thing, when i was running w/ just one fan, the car would overheat. once i installed the smaller 10" flexalite fan, that problem went away.

[instylz]

call jetcoat on Monday if you haven't already sold the unit. It will be coated both inside and out. :) They should be able to give you a rough price based upon the length of pipe you have. It will also look really good when done. :)

here is a link on what to expect a product to look like after jetcoating: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=923742&page=1

[instylz]

and an even better representation: http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/213766/

check the date 6/01/04 :) (the turbo is coated)

[speedhawaii]

good pics

[mattybo]

call jetcoat on Monday if you haven't already sold the unit. It will be coated both inside and out. :) They should be able to give you a rough price based upon the length of pipe you have. It will also look really good when done. :)

here is a link on what to expect a product to look like after jetcoating: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=923742&page=1

they charge about 15-20 per foot of piping (for the stuff that is resistant up to 2450 F. I had my exhaust mani done and my hard pipes done. Both in flat black. Manifold was 95, pipes were around 70 or so.

[kicker22705]

they charge about 15-20 per foot of piping (for the stuff that is resistant up to 2450 F. I had my exhaust mani done and my hard pipes done. Both in flat black. Manifold was 95, pipes were around 70 or so.
did you have to take it there or did you ship it? also do you have any pics?

[Newf]

take them back, get money back, go somewhere else. If you get him to do work for you again, you can bet it's going to be a crap job and any support from him down the road is going to be worthless.