TurboHoses SMIC- *************** (Updates)

[StreetUnit]

(usa)
The first prototype of TurboHoses SMIC is finished. To make this SMIC, the ENTIRE intercooler has to be made from raw materials. Each endcap is custom, meaning each wall of the endcap has to be measured, cut, and welded seperately. There is no universal endcaps we can use.

The brackets, same deal, takes very long to construct them from scratch. There are no "L" brackets to slap on there that could save us some time. Overall, it is very time consuming unit to make which is the reason we would be looking at it costing more than other SMIC's.

To cut costs and not quality, the brackets are being reconstructed to save on labor costs. We are looking at around $595 MSRP for the new SMIC. Once the new one is finished, it will be test and tested some more to see the gains.

I have a good feeling about this SMIC, but I cannot vouch for it until I get one into this MAZDASPEED to test for myself (very soon).

http://www.***************/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SU&Product_Code=THSMIC&Category_Code=MSPEngine

[Dr.Sound]

wanna see the group buy price

[jurgs01]

Awesome. Keep us updated.

[BlkZoomZoom]

whats the cfm? whats the pressure drop? whats the heat differential?

[FBI14]

(usa)
Overall, it is very time consuming unit to make which is the reason we would be looking at it costing more than Circuit Sports price for their SMIC.

To cut costs and not quality, the brackets are being reconstructed to save on labor costs. We are looking at around $585 MSRP for the new SMIC.
Im a little confused
Circuit Sports SMIC is $629 last time I checked, and the MSRP your giving is lower than Circuit Sports. Is that MSRP a Ballpark figure or is it set in stone

[StreetUnit]

"Once the new one is finished, it will be tested and tested some more to see the gains."


whats the cfm? whats the pressure drop? whats the heat differential?
We will release the results after we test it.

(2thumbs)

"To cut costs and not quality, the brackets are being reconstructed to save on labor costs. We are looking at around $585 MSRP for the new SMIC. "


Im a little confused Circuit Sports SMIC is $629 last time I checked, and the MSRP your giving is lower than Circuit Sports. Is that MSRP a Ballpark figure or is it set in stone
Our original SMIC used exact OEM reconstructed brackets which drove costs up quite a bit. The new design has brackets that will be easier to make which lowers the price, projected MSRP $585.

Dr. Sound, I need another week or so to gather costs on this new model. I will post as soon as I get a handle on it. I also need to find out how many want in on a GB.

[speedhawaii]

i would guess that the gb would be around 500

[srd555]

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I would definitely be in for a group buy. All I need is a time table on when it might be ready. Also, will you offer the hard pipes at a discounted price?

[jurgs01]

i would guess that the gb would be around 500
The more of us get in, the better the price I'm guessing.

[jurgs01]

It would be the funniest thing if this unit had close to the same temperature drop (cooling effect) as the FMICs out there and of course less pressure drop(wink)

[speedhawaii]

true. sleeper

[03MSP]

It would be the funniest thing if this unit had close to the same temperature drop (cooling effect) as the FMICs out there and of course less pressure drop(wink)
Funny, but not probable ;)

[Rawyzf]

subscribed

[FBI14]

Our original SMIC used exact OEM reconstructed brackets which drove costs up quite a bit. The new design has brackets that will be easier to make which lowers the price, projected MSRP $585.


Its still a drop in replacement ?

[StreetUnit]

Its still a drop in replacement ?Yes sir, will bolt right up to stock or TurboHoses pipes.

[StreetUnit]

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I would definitely be in for a group buy. All I need is a time table on when it might be ready. Also, will you offer the hard pipes at a discounted price?

The GB will offer, the SMIC, Pipes, intake, and possibly the exhaust...

[TheJohnny]

Holy cow, that's going to be around $2 g's.

[jurgs01]

$ 2 Gs is how much I am going to have to blow around mid-august, and I want the SMIC, turbo-back, Greddy TT, and a wideband 02. I might be a bit short, but I'm hoping I can swing it.

Cullen,
Will you be able to have an extra 02 bung in the turbo-back? No big deal if not, but it would be easier for it to come that way.

[StreetUnit]

Holy cow, that's going to be around $2 g's.
It will also be offered seperately in the GB. We all don't have $2G to drop at once.

[Dr.Sound]

i wanna see the prices on IC + pipes.

[StreetUnit]

i wanna see the prices on IC + pipes.
The GB prices are not set up yet. Soon enough though...

[muohio]

Interested after testing :)

[spicynamja]

bump *results* *resuuuuuuullllltss!!!!*

[Dr.Sound]

Interested after testing :)i trust turbohoses, their MR2 products are one of the best on the market.
everything they do is high quality.
look at their hard pipes......the best hardpipe kit i have EVER seen for MSP......no other kit comes close.

the only thing i'll say.......it sux to be broke.

[Rich24km]

the only thing i'll say.......it sux to be broke.
(mswerd) I totally agree...

[SaaBaaDoo]

interested:D

[peepsalot]

subscribing...

[CChris704]

interested in sidemount and pipes and bov gb....i'll be suscribing

[StreetUnit]

It's coming along...

[ARunto]

subscribing bump

[kaynzho]

interested in group buy

[xxxcool21]

subscribe, and will be in on gb pending results

[thunder]

subscribing, any numbers compared to stock setup?

[StreetUnit]

The new SMIC with the new brackets was finished today... I am getting excited, its almost ready for you guys...

[jurgs01]

R U testing it on your car??

[StreetUnit]

R U testing it on your car??
Yes, as soon as possible. I will not carry them until I use it first hand... I should have the original one in 10-14 days.

[speedhawaii]

:)

[chowhoundMSP]

im getting anxious!

[jurgs01]

Bump. Getting close to having my funds.

[Doodsmack]

Any idea if one of these will fit in an ES w/o any cutting/removing? Would it be safe to run 10-12 psi with daily?

[CommieSpeed]

Failure to deliver my SMIC by 5pm today will result in me unleashing a plague of locusts upon thee. I will be waiting by the South bridge....do not be late.

[StreetUnit]

Any idea if one of these will fit in an ES w/o any cutting/removing? Would it be safe to run 10-12 psi with daily?
This SMIC is a direct factory replacement for the MSP. 10-12 lbs, thats a judgement call on whether you think your rods can hold up.

[speedhawaii]

circuit sports got theirs out for a good price already and its dynoed too. i wanna see this one already.

[Artur1976]

any updates?

[thunder]

Any numbers (temp drop, pressure drop, dyno...)??? Circuit sport was tested as giving an extra 8WHP I think, how does this one compares? :)

[spicynamja]

bump for updates... ^_^

[speedhawaii]

Yes, as soon as possible. I will not carry them until I use it first hand... I should have the original one in 10-14 days.
its been around 10-14 days (lol2)

[FBI14]

This is what is on Turbohoses.com

"Our R&D dept. will be releasing product results during the week of 8/15/04 and order will be filled late to early Sept./04."

[wicked]

talked to turbohoses.they said "hopefully this week"
that is a good sign for you guys.you can't rush these guys they are very busy,and the quility will impress the shit out of you.if you don't believe me check the pics on thier site.

it's the same core that is used in the spearco intercoolers.

[jaxmsp]

how thick is the core?

[Spooled]

I would really like to see some sort of comparison between an FMIC and SMIC on the same car. I want to know how much more a front-mount will will help. It seems like the SMIC doen't much air to it.

[jurgs01]

If you look at the cars that use the very large FMICs they are boosting 15 to 30 psi. Our car (this is my opinion I don't want a thread war) will run more efficiently with a quality SMIC. An upgraded SMIC will have a smaller pressure drop than a FMIC, which is very underrated due to the fact that pressure drop reduces the efficiency of the turbo. With the T25 and even the GT28 r and rs turbos efficiency is very important because neither of these are monster turbos. If you plan on beefing up your internals and running the type of PSI hiboost is running on their P5 or more then an FMIC might be the right decision for you. In my opinion (once again I don't want a thread war), having an FMIC is more for the show aspect in our cars because the cooling effect is going to be offset by the larger pressure drop. This is just like the arguement between CAI and SRI, everyone has their opinion of what is better.

[peepsalot]

If you look at the cars that use the very large FMICs they are boosting 15 to 30 psi. Our car (this is my opinion I don't want a thread war) will run more efficiently with a quality SMIC. An upgraded SMIC will have a smaller pressure drop than a FMIC, which is very underrated due to the fact that pressure drop reduces the efficiency of the turbo. With the T25 and even the GT28 r and rs turbos efficiency is very important because neither of these are monster turbos. If you plan on beefing up your internals and running the type of PSI hiboost is running on their P5 or more then an FMIC might be the right decision for you. In my opinion (once again I don't want a thread war), having an FMIC is more for the show aspect in our cars because the cooling effect is going to be offset by the larger pressure drop. This is just like the arguement between CAI and SRI, everyone has their opinion of what is better.
Interesting. Is the data out there for the pressure drop of the major intercoolers? Hiboost, ion, etc? Does anyone know what it will be for this one? I'm not trying to argue with you, but it would be cool if someone could validate that statement with some hard data.(2thumbs)

[ARunto]

Interesting. Is the data out there for the pressure drop of the major intercoolers? Hiboost, ion, etc? Does anyone know what it will be for this one? I'm not trying to argue with you, but it would be cool if someone could validate that statement with some hard data.(2thumbs)
I have a hiboost setup and there is no pressure drop with this system. Also spool time has increased. I too was concerned about pressure drop because of the length of the piping but after installing and driving with FMIC. I have found the pressure drop theory not be true. Hence why people with FMIC have shown gains instead of loosing power. The stock SMIC is just not efficent enough. Though efficency should go up with hardpipes and a thicker SMIC it cannot be compared to a FMIC.

-Alan

[jurgs01]

Even though the best way to measure an IC would be to measure flow rate in versus air flow rate out and air temp in versus air temp out none of the dealers are going to do this. What you do know is the CFM flow rate of the IC, the dyno sheet they will give (which can be biased because the only thing that most will understand is the max WHP gain at a certain RPM which is not the most important factor), and if they are good they will give you consecutively dynoed runs to show that the IC is efficient even when the car gets hot. In reality, anything is an upgrade to the factory IC. It is good enough for a stock car at 6psi, but definately not efficient for an upgraded car. I read somewhere that the pressure drop is 3psi (not validated), but if that is true then you are losing 3psi of pressure from the turbo till after it comes out the IC. That is horrible for the short runs of piping. It sounds like turbohoses is putting their IC through pretty intensive testing, though I'm not sure of that either. It's been almost 4 weeks since the prototype was done, and if they wanted to they could just sell them without much testing and probably get a good amount of orders (just look at the kits that have already come out). I've seen many threads asking for numbers and no actual data put out buy the vendors. People still buy it. If I'm going to put an FMIC on my car and I'm racing then I would be pushing 20-25 psi, because that's what people are going to be expecting when they see that big FMIC under the car. You get the STI, old Supras, EVOs and Skylines from Japan that can hold that type of pressure no prob, and you come in with a weak MSP that can't handle over 12-15 psi without extensive tuning. I would rather be the sleeper car.

[jurgs01]

I have a hiboost setup and there is no pressure drop with this system. Also spool time has increased. I too was concerned about pressure drop because of the length of the piping but after installing and driving with FMIC. I have found the pressure drop theory not be true. Hence why people with FMIC have shown gains instead of loosing power. The stock SMIC is just not efficent enough. Though efficency should go up with hardpipes and a thicker SMIC it cannot be compared to a FMIC.

-Alan
The only way u can validate that statement that there is no pressure drop is to measure the PSI or flow rate after the turbo then again after the IC. There is always a pressure drop with an IC. I have never seen people gaining much with the Hiboost, and Circuit sports SMIC is gaining about 80% of the WHP as the people dynoing with Hiboost FMIC. I'm sure it's a gain with the FMIC, but you can't compare them unless they are tested in conjunction with very similar conditions.

[wicked]

The only way u can validate that statement that there is no pressure drop is to measure the PSI or flow rate after the turbo then again after the IC. There is always a pressure drop with an IC. I have never seen people gaining much with the Hiboost, and Circuit sports SMIC is gaining about 80% of the WHP as the people dynoing with Hiboost FMIC. I'm sure it's a gain with the FMIC, but you can't compare them unless they are tested in conjunction with very similar conditions.

I'll see what I can do.

[wicked]

how thick is the core?
3.5 inch core.

[speedhawaii]

and that would be how much more over stock? hopefully the wait will bring good results and great prices :)

[jurgs01]

(cool)
I'll see what I can do.

[jurgs01]

and that would be how much more over stock? hopefully the wait will bring good results and great prices :)
I am hoping the same. I would be disappointed if it didn't, and eat my words:)

[speedhawaii]

i meant how much thicker. sorry bout that confusion

[Dr.Sound]

after driving a car with aftermarket SMIC i dont want FMIC.
i dont want to spend the ammount of money that FMIC costs.
my car will never see 250 or 300 hp.
i dont want to have slow throttle response that FMIC's give arround the city. our stock turbos are small.
i dont dragrace my car every week.
i want it to run better that it's running with stock IC and that's exactly what SMIC does.

[jurgs01]

So I imagine you ran circuit sports SMIC Vic. How does it feel in that hot Cali sun? I'm still waiting for this one, but I'm sure they will be comparable. I really liked the quality and customer service I got with my hardpipes so I'm sticking to ordering from Cullen. Anyway, is there a noticeable difference with the upgraded SMIC? I would imagine the turbo spools quicker and you feel a bit more pull.

[FBI14]

i dont want to spend the ammount of money that FMIC costs.

If you buy the SMIC with Hard pipes your looking at spending close to the same amount as a FMIC. Not flaming I agree with you in all your points, I just hoped to spend a considerable amount less for the SMIC set up.

[Turbohoses]

Hello,

Our IC's are going through the final stages tomorrow evening.
We currently have two proto-types that have gone/going through our R&D dept.
All of our tests will be done at stock boost levels.
The stock IC and our upgrade will each be tested on our dyno running 10+ runs on each. Each run will be datalogged.

Thank you for your patience,

Turbohoses R&D

[jurgs01]

Good deal.

[speedhawaii]

cullen must be busy. did u guys come up with a price yet?

[Turbohoses]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1164079#post1164079

Thank you,

Turbohoses R&D

[strongbear0]

Cullen might not be on for a few days because of hurricane charlie. He just got power back this morning but internet is still down.

[jurgs01]

Cullen might not be on for a few days because of hurricane charlie. He just got power back this morning but internet is still down.
Oh, I never thought about that. Hope things are alright there.

[StreetUnit]

I am back...

[StreetUnit]

3/18/05

TurboHoses SMIC Kits are being replentished, first come first serve...

[FBI14]

So are they making another batch of them or just making them when they are ordered by customers

[Tito1]

Hey FB-I see you ask stupid questions here too

[StreetUnit]

Squatty's and TurboHoses has stepped up to the MAZDASPEED cry for more SMIC's and are making another batch. There will be 5 available in 2 weeks. Pre-orders are available for the SMIC.