5th injector/hardpipe kit

[SonicRacer]

this thread is for people genuinely interested in these products. Please do not respond unless you have something constructive to add or ask.

Myself and Rob from Pineapple Racing (us guys that built the Unichip units for the MSP's) want to produce a 5th injector kit to work with the Unichip units. The kit will address the fuel issue with highly modified engines (up to 400hp). The injector will mount in the intercooler pipe before the throttle body. There will also be an additional BOV.

The kit will come with all the wiring and instructions to upgrade the unit yourself or provide you with the knowledge to give to a trained technician to complete the upgrade.

The intercooler pipes will be cast aluminum. They will have a powdercoat finish (probably a choice of 2 colors).

We are estimating this kit (pipes and injector kit) to retail for around $500. Right now we are just trying to generate some interest in getting this going.

[SonicRacer]

No one is interested in this? There has to be numerous guys out there that are at the limit of what the injectors can produce....

[jred321]

No one is interested in this? There has to be numerous guys out there that are at the limit of what the injectors can produce....i'm willing to bet at least 50% of them have no idea they're at the limit of their stock injectors...

[SonicRacer]

i'm willing to bet at least 50% of them have no idea they're at the limit of their stock injectors...That's kind of scary. haha.

I only have intake and an exhaust and running 10-13psi (tuned with the Unichip -248hp). And I'm ready (well need) for more fuel!

[NoVaMSP]

wasnt there plans for larger injector controll instead of a 5th ?
my ic pipes are custom i didnt want to hack them or any thing ,was kind of hopeing to just use 440's

[Larone]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this well enough. What if we already upgraded IC and piping?

[SonicRacer]

I'm not sure I'm understanding this well enough. What if we already upgraded IC and piping?
I suppose you could just buy the injector portion of it. But you would have to come up with the mounting on your own. Which wouldn't be that big of deal.




We were going to do 4 new injectors. But the cost of 4 new injectors versus 1 is in favor of the single. :) I looked into RC 440's, but they build their own body and it would require a spacer and plugs for all 4. I heard a rumor of another car's injectors being direct fits, but still, 4 of those were not cheap either.

[03MSPRO]

The Unichip left a bad taste in my mouth so I am not planning on buying any new products until more than just a handful of people have bought them and tested them for more than just a few days. As you can tell I am not all that happy with the Unichip and the mount of money I paid for everything so I would not trust anything else developed by the same people. To this day I don't have a clear answer why the boost varies so much with this Unichip. Sometimes it picks to 14 psi and holds 10 psi at redline but most of the times it peaks to 11 psi and drop to as low as 8 psi at redline. That's just 2 more psi than stock. Maybe you can explain it to me. I already tried Jack and Tony at Unichip too many times.
Sorry for the tread jack but if a feel better about the Unichip purchase I might just buy more staff like this injector package.

I don't see how your car made 248 bhp with the Unichip and intake and exhaust. Mine did not make close to that with the same setup.

[gboromsp]

I somewhat agree, unichip wasn't everything I thought it would be, it made my car idle terrible(i've tried a few different plugs). It maybe made my car a little smoother, but not much. I kinda feel like I payed almost 900 for a boost controller. Don't get me wrong I still like it but i'm not sure I would have bought it if I knew a little more before. Anyway, what about those of us that already have a fmic, I don't need a new ic pipe??


The Unichip left a bad taste in my mouth so I am not planning on buying any new products until more than just a handful of people have bought them and tested them for more than just a few days. As you can tell I am not all that happy with the Unichip and the mount of money I paid for everything so I would not trust anything else developed by the same people. To this day I don't have a clear answer why the boost varies so much with this Unichip. Sometimes it picks to 14 psi and holds 10 psi at redline but most of the times it peaks to 11 psi and drop to as low as 8 psi at redline. That's just 2 more psi than stock. Maybe you can explain it to me. I already tried Jack and Tony at Unichip too many times.
Sorry for the tread jack but if a feel better about the Unichip purchase I might just buy more staff like this injector package.

I don't see how your car made 248 bhp with the Unichip and intake and exhaust. Mine did not make close to that with the same setup.

[jersey_emt]

Guys, if you have a problem with the Unichip, either find a Unichip thread or start a new thread to discuss your issues with the unit. This thread is for gauging interest in a different product.

[yashooa]

i'm willing to bet at least 50% of them have no idea they're at the limit of their stock injectors...I bet 50% don't care.
My car runs great at 10-12 PSI. I enjoy driving it just the way it is. I do not feel the need to piss away thousands of dollars to hack my car up. I will add a few simple, less expensive mods, hard pipes, mid pipe with cat etc, but I don't care to dick around with my great running, great looking, great driving little car to the point it is no longer a joy to drive on my 100+ mile daily commute.
No matter what I do to this car it will NEVER be a super fast, super reliable hotrod. It is however, a somewhat quick and very reliable daily driver that does all it was intended to do very well.
All in all I have no intrest of spending more than 2000$ in mods over the life of the car. Heck I saw about 10 used, less than 9-15k mile STI's on Carmax for 26-28,000$ dollars. Why pour that kind of money into this car when a barely used STI gives you AWD and 300HP out of the gate?

[jersey_emt]

[QUOTE=gboromsp]I kinda feel like I payed almost 900 for a boost controller. QUOTE]

not even that. Any MBC or EBC would be more consistent.
JerseyEMT, sorry but people need to be aware since they are the same people that worked on the Unichip.

And many people are happy with the Unichip. You're entitled to your own opinion, and can express those opinions, but to do so in a thread gauging interest in a different product is not right. Even if the Unichip was a horrible product that nearly everyone had major problems with, does not mean the company is unable to produce a quality product.

Feel free to start a new thread or find an existing Unichip thread to voice your concerns.

[SonicRacer]

The Unichip left a bad taste in my mouth so I am not planning on buying any new products until more than just a handful of people have bought them and tested them for more than just a few days. As you can tell I am not all that happy with the Unichip and the mount of money I paid for everything so I would not trust anything else developed by the same people. To this day I don't have a clear answer why the boost varies so much with this Unichip. Sometimes it picks to 14 psi and holds 10 psi at redline but most of the times it peaks to 11 psi and drop to as low as 8 psi at redline. That's just 2 more psi than stock. Maybe you can explain it to me. I already tried Jack and Tony at Unichip too many times.
Sorry for the tread jack but if a feel better about the Unichip purchase I might just buy more staff like this injector package.

I don't see how your car made 248 bhp with the Unichip and intake and exhaust. Mine did not make close to that with the same setup.I specifically asked for people NOT to post stuff like this. This is not a thread on if the Unichip is good or not. I don't know what to tell you regarding my car, the dyno sheet sits above my desk that clearly states 248hp (crank hp). I'm sorry you didn't make as much. I threw some slicks on and ran a 13.91@100.67mph (for reference regarding power legitimacy) :shrug: If you have a problem with your Unichip unit or vehicle setup I suggest talking to Unichip, Cork Sport, or myself (but not in this thread). By the way, the boost is suppose to vary throughout the RPM range also.


Back on topic. I have two meetings today regarding these new parts. I should have more information tomorrow. Thank you to those who are interested.

[gboromsp]

Did you read the last sentence of my post?? I asked something about what he is trying to sell in this thread.



Guys, if you have a problem with the Unichip, either find a Unichip thread or start a new thread to discuss your issues with the unit. This thread is for gauging interest in a different product.

[SonicRacer]

It looks like these are going to be produced and a finished product in about a monthss time. I will know more specific dates and pricing next week.

At this point it looks like they are going to be cast aluminum. Customers will be able to purchase the parts seperately. More than likely the prices will be a little more expensive seperately.

[NoVaMSP]

has plans for larger injectors totaly been scraped? i relize you said it was more cost effective for a 5th etc. but i would still preffer 440s to a 5th , having one mounted in my exsisting set up would im sure cost more then the diffrence in price.

[SonicRacer]

has plans for larger injectors totaly been scraped? i relize you said it was more cost effective for a 5th etc. but i would still preffer 440s to a 5th , having one mounted in my exsisting set up would im sure cost more then the diffrence in price.
By what you are saying I'm assuming you have a FMIC or new IC pipes. Why do you think that would be so costly to add a simple bung to mount an injector?

[NoVaMSP]

By what you are saying I'm assuming you have a FMIC or new IC pipes. Why do you think that would be so costly to add a simple bung to mount an injector?
yea my pipes are coated- welding in it would screw it up. i would have to hack off some in front of the TB ( and the bend starts quikly) and have it replaced with pipe w/bung coated to match . adding another coupler with questionable clearance for t bolt clamps. im guessing about 300$ total. for about 8 inches of pipe that and it doesnt look as clean w/ the extra injector

[orangezoom]

And many people are happy with the Unichip. You're entitled to your own opinion, and can express those opinions, but to do so in a thread gauging interest in a different product is not right. Even if the Unichip was a horrible product that nearly everyone had major problems with, does not mean the company is unable to produce a quality product.

Feel free to start a new thread or find an existing Unichip thread to voice your concerns.
I am only asking and really could care a less but is this what they were talking about that people should be authorized vendors offering this?

[alexlitov]

they are just trying to generate some interest!!! not selling anything at this time!!!!

[instylz]

hey Sonicracer did you have your Unichip tuned independantly after you got it? Hope thier are pieces for people that have fmic's to have them welded on.

[Antoine]

Pineapple Racing and it's employees/associates who are members of this community and wish to do any of the following...sell, take orders, promote, run GB's for profit...will need Authorized Vendor status BEFORE doing so.

[SonicRacer]

I am not employed by Pineapple Racing or Unichip. I am an individual who wishes to create more parts for the Protege. I can build a one off kit easier than I can have a run built. But instead of just doing one myself we are taking all the time and testing we need to do and package it up and offer it to other MSP owners.

I'm not here to make money on this.

[muohio]

HiBoost was selling the RC injectors with spaces and connector adapters for $330 last year. From what I read in that thread, they are direct replacements with the included hardware. I would rather pay ~$200 less for 4 larger injectors. If the price was more reasonable like the cost of the RC injectors, then I would go for it.

This is the thread if you want to read further: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17639

[jred321]

ehh, there's a reason rc's are cheap. they aren't held in good regard in a few communities. i'd pass on rc's, an injector is not something i would want to fail

[muohio]

ehh, there's a reason rc's are cheap. they aren't held in good regard in a few communities. i'd pass on rc's, an injector is not something i would want to fail
Could you provide me some evidence of this? Before I totally forget about them, I would like to research further. Some other communities have recommended them, but then again, half of this community doesn't hold their own MSP in high regards :)

[jred321]

i looked quickly on dsmtalk, it was just a bunch of people saying they know people that have had problems with rc's, have heard of them breaking, other honda boys have had problems, etc... so basically no, i can't provide evidence :)
personally though i'd rather spend the few extra bucks on a better style injector anyways
a good read on different injector styles, types, etc..., actually written by the rc in rc engineering
http://www.supras.com/~riemer/sonictech/fuel_injectors/RCtech.html

[muohio]

i looked quickly on dsmtalk, it was just a bunch of people saying they know people that have had problems with rc's, have heard of them breaking, other honda boys have had problems, etc... so basically no, i can't provide evidence :)
personally though i'd rather spend the few extra bucks on a better style injector anyways
a good read on different injector styles, types, etc..., actually written by the rc in rc engineering
http://www.supras.com/~riemer/sonictech/fuel_injectors/RCtech.html
I guess if I could find something else I would go for it. I would rather buy 4 nice injectors instead of a 5th is what I'm saying.

[SonicRacer]

From what I read in that thread, they are direct replacements with the included hardware. I would rather pay ~$200 less for 4 larger injectors. If the price was more reasonable like the cost of the RC injectors, then I would go for it.

This is the thread if you want to read further: http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17639

Needing to use an adapter spacer and needing to cut the plug off and splice a new one in is hardly directly replacement. The RC injectors are universal. (this information is per RC Engineering themselves)

If it was cheaper to replace all the injectors we would do it that way. Also keep in mind if you run 4 440cc injectors your gas mileage will go down.... Opposed to an injector that ONLY comes on when you need it.

[jred321]

I guess if I could find something else I would go for it. I would rather buy 4 nice injectors instead of a 5th is what I'm saying.i agree


properly controlled 440's wouldn't cost you much in the fuel economy department, if anything at all. the 440's should only dump more fuel in when it's demanded, i.e. under heavy load, which is when the extra injector would open anyways, and you're not expecting good gas mileage when you go wot anyways, something like a nice, small 440, properly controlled i see as a much better option than another injector placed before the throttle body

[muohio]

i agree


properly controlled 440's wouldn't cost you much in the fuel economy department, if anything at all. the 440's should only dump more fuel in when it's demanded, i.e. under heavy load, which is when the extra injector would open anyways, and you're not expecting good gas mileage when you go wot anyways, something like a nice, small 440, properly controlled i see as a much better option than another injector placed before the throttle body
I think we are on the same page :)

Sonic, if someone didn't need the hardpipe kit but only the 5th injector, how much would that run vs. 4 larger injectors?

[SonicRacer]

If you want 4 injectors and want to re-tune your Unichip on your own then you can. I don't know you expect to do that however. That is not what we are doing with this kit. We are making these kits as affordable as possible.

If you don't want what is going to be offered then don't buy it. This thread wasn't created to have a debate on what is better. If you have no interest in a 5th injector/hardpipe kit PLEASE DO NOT POST IN HERE like I asked from the very beginning.

The kit will be a direct set up for those who have the Unichip. The maps will be re-done so everything will install and work with ease. That is NOT possible to do with RC Injectors.

[jred321]

umm, i think everyone interested did post.
this thread would have died immediately if only people who wanted what you're not selling posted, i'd be happy that it's still getting bumps

[SonicRacer]

umm, i think everyone interested did post.
I obviously wasn't talking to them.


Regardless of who on here wants one, the kits are being worked on now. Thanks for those who are interested in them by the way.

[funnylittlman]

I bet 50% don't care.
My car runs great at 10-12 PSI. I enjoy driving it just the way it is. I do not feel the need to piss away thousands of dollars to hack my car up. I will add a few simple, less expensive mods, hard pipes, mid pipe with cat etc, but I don't care to dick around with my great running, great looking, great driving little car to the point it is no longer a joy to drive on my 100+ mile daily commute.
No matter what I do to this car it will NEVER be a super fast, super reliable hotrod. It is however, a somewhat quick and very reliable daily driver that does all it was intended to do very well.
All in all I have no intrest of spending more than 2000$ in mods over the life of the car. Heck I saw about 10 used, less than 9-15k mile STI's on Carmax for 26-28,000$ dollars. Why pour that kind of money into this car when a barely used STI gives you AWD and 300HP out of the gate?
Hey Yash,

I guess some people are still bent on gettin the speed up to 1000 hp. lol :D How ya been?

[wicked]

sonic-
I would be very interested in a 5th injector.I have a custom FMIC w/ 2.5" piping,so the cast pipe wouldn't be any interest to me.

but,this would take the car to a next step in tunablity,and in doing so we will run into the MAF voltage limit.is there anything you plan on doing about this in the future?

Maybe selling a MAS compadible for our cars.

there would be no piont in the added fuel if the computer can't match it with air correctly.

if I'm wrong please excuse me and explain.

[SonicRacer]

Those air sensors are good enough for more power than the car can take.

As for air/fuel... that's what the Unichip does. It is for tuning....

[wicked]

There is allready a member on this forum pushing the voltage limit with 250 HP,and you can bet your ass as the next few years go by there wil be more.

I am aiming for 300 as a good street car,may be more when I stop driving it on the road.


by the way what diameter ot cast pipe are you going with?

[MoJoeTCM]

If you could send me some more info about your product at MoJoeTCM@aol.com you might have an intrested customer........

[MoJoeTCM]

I know my mods are quite minimal to others, but my approach is to wait and "see what happens." I would rather wait to just buy it all at once rather than piece by piece. I am pretty sure that there are people who finally know how to tune our cars.

[SonicRacer]

There is allready a member on this forum pushing the voltage limit with 250 HP,and you can bet your ass as the next few years go by there wil be more.

He's pushing the limits based on what though? I'm just questioning why you would think the air sensor is at issue. I have 248hp at this moment and the air sensor is of the least of my worries.

[SonicRacer]

Update:

We are still working out kinks in the pipes... I shold know more info shortly. I don't know much at this point, just wanted people to know this project is still 100% in the works.

[03MSPRO]

updates on the 5th injector kit?