MSP Transmission swap?

[Rainman]

Does anyone know whether it would be possible to swap our 5-speed trannnie for the 6-speed in the RX8?? Or any other 6-speed for that matter. Did a quick search on the forums for this, but didn't find much. I was just pondering the idea after reading an article about how some perceive our gear-ratios to be too far apart. I'm not sure that I agree with that since my previous cars (a 2000 SE Protege, and a 1989 Honda Accord) were even farther apart, but it might give the MSP some more legs on the freeway.

Thoughts anyone?

[kNOWfREED0m]

the only tranny i know that might work with our cars is the SVT focus tranny

[msubullyfan]

I don't know how you'd ever swap the transmission on a FWD car with one from a RWD car. It would seem to me that since the output shaft on FWD trannies come out the side and RWD trannies come out at the centerline, you couldn't get anything to line up!

[MazdaSP]

spec-v's have 6 spd transmisson... but i dunno if you would want that...

[Dr.Sound]

SVT idea is interesting.
i know people are running 350hp on those trannies.

[DZnutz]

Does anyone know whether it would be possible to swap our 5-speed trannnie for the 6-speed in the RX8?? Or any other 6-speed for that matter. Did a quick search on the forums for this, but didn't find much. I was just pondering the idea after reading an article about how some perceive our gear-ratios to be too far apart. I'm not sure that I agree with that since my previous cars (a 2000 SE Protege, and a 1989 Honda Accord) were even farther apart, but it might give the MSP some more legs on the freeway.

Thoughts anyone?
dude youve gotta be retarded, you clearly havent put any thought into this nor do you have any knowledge about cars in general. its impossible to put a FR tranny into a FF vehicle

[mp5jeff]

even if it could be done easily, why swap in a shitty/weak tranny from the rx-8 into the msp?

[Dr.Sound]

lol

[vodapas77]

dude youve gotta be retarded, you clearly havent put any thought into this nor do you have any knowledge about cars in general. its impossible to put a FR tranny into a FF vehicle
You're correct it does apear he doesn't have much in the way of automotive knowledge. However, wouldn't make more sense to explain to him why the swap wouldn't work rather than calling him a retard and making him feel as though he can't come on here and ask any question without being insulted.

[mp5jeff]

its impossible to put a FR tranny into a FF vehicle
nothing is impossible with money....

[C-Bass]

You're correct it does apear he doesn't have much in the way of automotive knowledge. However, wouldn't make more sense to explain to him why the swap wouldn't work rather than calling him a retard and making him feel as though he can't come on here and ask any question without being insulted.

He wouldn't be DZnutz if he did something in a civil manner :)

[vodapas77]

He wouldn't be DZnutz if he did something in a civil manner :)
Good enough explanation for me. :D

[Notorious]

true, but your gonna hit the point where your going to get diminishing returns for the money.



nothing is impossible with money....

[DZnutz]

He wouldn't be DZnutz if he did something in a civil manner :)
exactly, sometimes it better to get right to the point. i hate people who ask the dumbest shit without researching it themselves

this is just some kid who just got his first car and now has some severe delusions... its better to smack them back into reality

[Dr.Sound]

this board IS to research, and not get flamed for every question.
go try to survive...or something.

[FSDET]

this is just some kid who just got his first car and now has some severe delusions...
oh really what else did u guess about him ?? his shoe size maybe ??

[wicked]

some one needs to try that damn svt swap!
maybe I should try it.
nah,I like our gear ratios.
maybe when mine breaks.

[mspdfreak]

flame on!(flame)

[Rainman]

True enough. Never claimed to be an automotive genius. Just started getting into tuning and cars when I purchased my MSP. I just put the RX8 idea out there without thinking the whole thing through. I am generally aware that you can't put a trannie from a front-wheel driver into a rear-wheel drive or vice versa as a result of the previously mentioned different orientation of the engines. In my haste to get it out, I completely forgot that the RX8 was a rear wheel drive car. My question was not meant to ask whether a trannie from a rear wheel drive car could go into a front wheel drive car. I apologize for writing something down before thinking about what I was saying...it happens sometimes. However, just so that I am clear and NOT confusing anyone, all I wanted to know was whether any front-wheel drive 6-speed trannie could fit the MSP?

Rainman

"246 total!"

(hand)
dude youve gotta be retarded, you clearly havent put any thought into this nor do you have any knowledge about cars in general. its impossible to put a FR tranny into a FF vehicle

[Rainman]

Sorry DNutz.....I fucked up and asked something stupid. I did't really think or research the idea too much before writing down the question. As I said, my bad! Instead I was using my 34 y/o "dumb ass kid" brain to cogently synthesize information on developmental dysplasia of the hip in the pediatric population so that my stupid ass Orthopaedic resident self could make himself some cash. Hopefully, you won't crash your MSP up here in Ottawa and I'm on call. My stupid ass self just might not realize that your legs go on with the knees in front.

Rainman

exactly, sometimes it better to get right to the point. i hate people who ask the dumbest shit without researching it themselves

this is just some kid who just got his first car and now has some severe delusions... its better to smack them back into reality

[mspdfreak]

somebody dun got out da encyclopedia!

[DZnutz]

well then i guess my assumpton was a little of, your a delusional old educated kid. maybe you shoulda put all your money towards a car that already came with a 6 speed... in either case you still needed a smack. good luck with your ideas

[Notorious]

The guy is asking a question. No need to insult him, or say "do a search". Maybe you should try explaining it, although more than likely you are incapable of explaining why it won't work. Even if you did know, someone had to explain it to you.

Looks like you have some delusions of being an automotive genius and someone should smack you back into reality.


exactly, sometimes it better to get right to the point. i hate people who ask the dumbest shit without researching it themselves

this is just some kid who just got his first car and now has some severe delusions... its better to smack them back into reality

[SpoolinMsp]

To get back to the topic, before someone else thats ignorant chimes in.

Would it even be worth it to switch to a 6speed rather than a 5. Yes your gonna have shorter gears but you would kkind of need a little more power. The msp would be kind of crazy from a roll! hehe

[muohio]

To get back to the topic, before someone else thats ignorant chimes in.

Would it even be worth it to switch to a 6speed rather than a 5. Yes your gonna have shorter gears but you would kkind of need a little more power. The msp would be kind of crazy from a roll! hehe
I know that I can max out 5th gear so having a 6th if geared correctly would be nice if I need to go 150mph (crazy) Otherwise you would probably still want the shift to 3rd after 60mph which would keep a similiar gearing. The biggest benefit would be having a car with either a higher redline or a lot more power. For example, the SVT has a higher redline which the 6spd allows the user to shift at redline around the same speed as our cars with the 5spd and the same thing for the Celica GTS. The Corvette and Cobra have a lot of power so the 5th gear is a lot closer to 1:1 instead of being a big over drive gear. You can also see that the Spec-V has a lot of issues with it's 6spd having a short 1st gear. Unfortunately, I feel that the 6spd hinders that car's overall acceleration from a stop.

[Notorious]

I agree with bost posts above to a point. A 6 speed could possibly be more handy in a roll, but most likely the 6th gear would be an uber-overdrive gear. The problem with the spec v is that it requires 2 shifts to get to 60 mph, which hampers acceleration times. With a turbo car I prefer a 5 speed especially if you are running higher boost. Basically you could stay at max boost for a longer period of time without too much lag time. Even though a t25 doesn't have much lag time at all, but going with an upgraded turbo this could be an issue. For a car that is N/A a 6 speed would be more valuable to keep the engine in its sweet spot longer, but even those if geared wrong could be trouble. An example would be the celica gt-s. Even if you shift at redline, every shift makes you fall out of vvti. Not to mention the 6 speed in that car just plain sucks.

[jeffmsp]

I dont think you would want to waste time with an SVT transmission. IMO Sourcing a 626 gearset and having it strenghtend will provide you with the gearing you are looking for. (i forget which years to get the 626, do a search i guess) anyways, you have to think about how much power you are going to have to handle. If you go an have a trans made, make sure it will handle more than what your motor is going to put out. ex: have a trans made that can handle 300hp daily in a 250hp MSP, helps out with the whole longevity thing from what I understand.

[Notorious]

as far as strengthing, i think getting it the "freeze and peen" will be a good first step.

[SpoolinMsp]

From the last few posts I think the creator of this thread should have a decision in his mind. If it were me personally I would stick with the 5spd after reading those. It seems like the specV and kind of falls on its face. Only complaint I have with the 5 is holding at 3k cruising down the interstate at 70mph.

Thanks for the great info guys. I just learned some good info. No see doesn't that help so much more than bad mouthing?

[Rainman]

JFC! Notorious, JeffMSP, SpoolinMSP thank you. THAT is the kind of response I was looking for. Not knowing that much about it I wanted to figure out whether it was even possible or even a good idea. You have taught me something and that it what I'm looking for. I asked the question because I wasn't sure and you gave me a response that I can work with.

I see the shortcomings that jeffmsp mentions with the 6-speed, but my main reason for asking was the issue that spoolinmsp brings up. I would prefer the car to be at a slightly lower RPM range when crusing at speed on the highway, but without having to sacrifice low-end performance. I was wondering whether a 6-speed trannie might be the solution.

I suppose that it would be possible to change the gearing of the 5th gear alone to provide gearing more amenable to highway cruising correct? However, our turbo seems to drop off in 4th and 5th gear and changing the gearing this way would only make that situation worse right. Especially between 4th and 5th as now the gearing gap would be larger and cause you to be in a low-boost range for a longer period of time. In other words, you might be able to cruise at high speed with a low RPM range, but it would take a while to get there especially after you hit about 60mph/100kmh?

Rainman

[yashooa]

I was using my 34 y/o "dumb ass kid" brain
Hey, 34 is really damn old!
Oh wait, I'M 34!!! :D

[Rainman]

Anyone can just go out and buy a car with a 6-speed trannie. That is easy and un-original. But not everyone can Frankenstein up a kickass ride with a custom-built 6-speed ala McGuyver can they. That is the whole point of tuning.

As I get closer to the end of my training and the possibility of making serious coin, I think more and more that it would be more satisfying to build a car that is a sleeping giant-killer (out of a car that was not intended to be that) rather than paying 3 or 4 times the money to buy something that is a monster out of the box.

As for the smack thing...I guess you must've been talking to my wife. She says the same thing every day...LOL!

Rainman

maybe you shoulda put all your money towards a car that already came with a 6 speed... in either case you still needed a smack. good luck with your ideas

[Fëakhelek]

How about a Mazda6 tranny?

[Dr.Sound]

Hey, 34 is really damn old!
Oh wait, I'M 34!!! :D SHUTUPOLDMAN!!

[SpoolinMsp]

Does the madza6 come in a 6spd m/t? I am thinking along the same lines as rainman about the rpms at high speed but not with replacing the tranny. The only way i know how to fix that is to change ratios but thats when you kind of get into a whole different set of shit to fix or adjust.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I think a six speed with a 4.88 :1 differential would be an awsome set-up....however MSP's don't get very good traction as it is...

[Notorious]

I think for a 6 speed in the msp, something along the lines of a shorter 4th and 5th gear with a tall 6th gear would work. With a shorter 4th and 5th be able to keep the motor in the powerband better, and the 6th gear would get you better gas mileage plus a higher top speed. Although something would probably have to be done about the internals as some people blow their motor boosting in 5th. Also with the shorter 4th and 5th gear you won't be sacrificing low end performance.

[msubullyfan]

Sorry DNutz
Don't apologize to him. There's no excuse to flame someone like that just for asking a question -- no matter how stupid you think the question is.

Funny thing is, he called you a "kid". Only one person's acting like a child here from this vantagepoint... and it ain't you.

[msubullyfan]

as far as strengthing, i think getting it the "freeze and peen" will be a good first step.
Hmmm... there's a lot of conflicting information out there on whether or not this actually helps. For every instance where you can find someone who says it'll help, you can find one that says it won't.

We've looked into making gear sets in heavy machinery tougher at work, and we're finding a lot of engineering information that indicates that cryo-freezing most conventional alloys can actually make them appear tougher, but extended run hours on them indicate that the cryo treatment leads to alloy embrittlement, which actually can lead to premature failure.

The metals and applications for these are not unlike an automobile transmission - only bigger.

Just food for thought.

[Charlie97L]

here's something to think about

if you went with a standalone, you think you could swap an auto tranny from a p5 or mp3 in the MSP? haha. dunno why you would want to, but hey.

sorry for the random retarded comment (boom07)

[Notorious]

This I did not know. I did hear of some cars having gears actually crack because of freezing but I always though this was because of the actual process and sudden temperature change. Peening though is a bit more proven. I doesn't help a whole lot but it may hold a little bit whp.



Hmmm... there's a lot of conflicting information out there on whether or not this actually helps. For every instance where you can find someone who says it'll help, you can find one that says it won't.

We've looked into making gear sets in heavy machinery tougher at work, and we're finding a lot of engineering information that indicates that cryo-freezing most conventional alloys can actually make them appear tougher, but extended run hours on them indicate that the cryo treatment leads to alloy embrittlement, which actually can lead to premature failure.

The metals and applications for these are not unlike an automobile transmission - only bigger.

Just food for thought.

[Notorious]

If you could get the standalone to recognize shift points and be able to shift it would be possible. In this case it would probably be better to have a piggyback and let the stock ecu handle the shift points.



here's something to think about

if you went with a standalone, you think you could swap an auto tranny from a p5 or mp3 in the MSP? haha. dunno why you would want to, but hey.

sorry for the random retarded comment (boom07)

[Titanium]

Here's some good info for you:



All g-series are created equal. Here is a quick list of cars the G-series comes in (and that this diff will work with):
87 Mazda 323 GT
90-94 Protege LX
91-94 Mercury Capri XR2
91-96 Escort GT, LX-E & Mercury Tracer
92-94 MX-3 GS (pos 1.8 v6)
93-97 MX-6 (both 4 and 6 cyl)
93-97 626 (both 4 & 6 cyl)
93-97 Probe (both 4 & 6 cyl)
95-98 Protege ES (1.8 dohc)
97-99 Kia Sephia (1.8 dohc)
97-present Ford Escort & ZX2's (i'm not sure of this but ppl tell me they use G-series too)
98-01 626 4 cyl (not sure about 6, i forgot if its a k-series)
01-03 Protege w/FS motor (2.0LX, ES, MP3, Protege5, MSP, and in 02' all DX and LX's got the 2.0 standard)

Basically any car with a 1.8 BP, 2.0 FS, or any K-series V6 has a G-series transmission, even the Miata. Theoretically you could swap the 6-speed Miata tranny guts into a FWD transmission (if it'll fit in the bellhousing).

[spacemonkey]

Wow, shoudnt flame cuz this question has never been asked before. Its not another BOV, Turkey or etc thread. And atleast he tried a search on the board.

Anyways...yes I have to agree a 6speed would be a waste for performance sake but maybe a bit more confortable on the highway. SVT focus tranny swap must be done some day since ford cant sell the damn thing so I hope parts will be cheap. But just strengthening a stock MSP tranny or getting it off another similar "car" would be nice. Theres alot of options for strengthening the gears or rebuilding it...like cyrogen.

[Rainman]

Thanks for the great info Titanium. I'll have to do some more research on the topic. I like the idea of better highway cruising, but I don't want to sacrifice low-end performance and I don't want to make the transmission more fragile.

Rainman

Here's some good info for you:



All g-series are created equal. Here is a quick list of cars the G-series comes in (and that this diff will work with):
87 Mazda 323 GT
90-94 Protege LX
91-94 Mercury Capri XR2
91-96 Escort GT, LX-E & Mercury Tracer
92-94 MX-3 GS (pos 1.8 v6)
93-97 MX-6 (both 4 and 6 cyl)
93-97 626 (both 4 & 6 cyl)
93-97 Probe (both 4 & 6 cyl)
95-98 Protege ES (1.8 dohc)
97-99 Kia Sephia (1.8 dohc)
97-present Ford Escort & ZX2's (i'm not sure of this but ppl tell me they use G-series too)
98-01 626 4 cyl (not sure about 6, i forgot if its a k-series)
01-03 Protege w/FS motor (2.0LX, ES, MP3, Protege5, MSP, and in 02' all DX and LX's got the 2.0 standard)

Basically any car with a 1.8 BP, 2.0 FS, or any K-series V6 has a G-series transmission, even the Miata. Theoretically you could swap the 6-speed Miata tranny guts into a FWD transmission (if it'll fit in the bellhousing).

[HondaEat-R]

Can anyone confirm this list of trannies being compatible w/ ours ? I may need a new tranny, and would like to know all of my options. My diff has to be able to bolt up, as well as MSP axles. Thanks guys...

[Titanium]

Can anyone confirm this list of trannies being compatible w/ ours ? I may need a new tranny, and would like to know all of my options. My diff has to be able to bolt up, as well as MSP axles. Thanks guys...

The list above is for the internals only. If you need a swap, you need to look for a mx-6/626 2.0L, Ford Probe 2.0L, and protege 2.0L cars for a housing that will work. The next thing to do would be research and see if there is any gear ratio differences between each model. I know in the case of 2.5L MX-6 and 2.5L 626 the gear ratio's are different. This made the same in the 2.0L. I'm pretty sure that the ratio's are the same in the protege and msp but there is a chance there is a difference in ratio's in the probe/mx-6 and 626.

[HondaEat-R]

Alright, thanks very much for the info.

[HondaEat-R]

So, just to be OCD one more time. The following trannys will bolt right up to a MSP, as well as accept the MSP LSD w/out issues ? Thanks again, alot.

# 1993-2002 Mazda 626
# 1993-1997 Mazda MX-6
# 2001-2003 Mazda Protegé
# 2003 Mazdaspeed Protegé
# 1993-1997 Ford Probe

[Titanium]

So, just to be OCD one more time. The following trannys will bolt right up to a MSP, as well as accept the MSP LSD w/out issues ? Thanks again, alot.

# 1993-2002 Mazda 626
# 1993-1997 Mazda MX-6
# 2001-2003 Mazda Protegé
# 2003 Mazdaspeed Protegé
# 1993-1997 Ford Probe


That is a good list.

[zuku26]

Anyone can just go out and buy a car. That is easy and un-original. But not everyone can Frankenstein up a kickass ride ala McGuyver can they. That is the whole point of tuning.

As I get closer to the end of my training and the possibility of making serious coin, I think more and more that it would be more satisfying to build a car that is a sleeping giant-killer (out of a car that was not intended to be that) rather than paying 3 or 4 times the money to buy something that is a monster out of the box.
Rainman

I totally agree which is why I'm building a Suzuki samurai street sleeper.
as far as staying at a more comfy speed while cruising the expressway...What about other mods like different turbo's, cams,exhaust ect plus some gearing changes in the stock tranny. I'm sure the right combo could net you the cruising speed your looking for.

[ianfromma]

dude youve gotta be retarded, you clearly havent put any thought into this nor do you have any knowledge about cars in general. its impossible to put a FR tranny into a FF vehicle

just turn it sideways (2thumbs)

[MrDiggler]

I still want a little taller final drive. I think it's the perfect solution. If my 170 whp overpowers all of first and half of second, I hate to think what's going to happen when the new motor goes in and I add 70-100 more whp.

[blaineog]

The 6 speed gearbox to use would be the Mazda6 sport 2.0 or 2.3 Euro or JDM box. Not a direct bolt up, but it should work.
If a taller geared, 6speed gearbox, strong enough to take over 300whp reliably, is what is needed. Then the only real option is the MS3 box.
Please let me know if your able to source any as I am currently on the hunt.

[spicyprotevo]

So as far as using the SVT Focus transmission, I think it will work. I read an article from sportcompactcar (http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0202scc_2002_svt_ford_focus/index.html) that had info about the transmission, and its the exact same size as the regular ZX3 transmission, because of the twin-layshaft design. So as long as the regular ZX3 transmission should work, then this should as well. The question is, is the ZX3 trans the same bellhousing size and such as ours? I thought I saw somewhere that it was the same as ours (which is the MTX75, right?). The problem with this transmission is that it's dual mass flywheel doesn't like quick shifting. Anyways, just another idea on how to get our cars a little nicer on the freeway and at higher speeds, which this transmission would do wonders for. I would really LOVE to see someone do this on their car, or even find people who may have taken the standard ZX3 and swapped in the SVT 6spd. Thanks for your ideas, and information.

[dstmsp03]

good info there.. but a big thing would be axles.. how would the axles run, how much different in size would they be? i think it would be a sweet swap.. i loved my 6 spd in my tibby!

[spicyprotevo]

Well if you were gonna go this route, finding the transmission, making sure everything will fit and work properly, and getting all/any custom parts that you may need, I think that the axles would be a lower priority. You might be able to just use the focus ones, idk. But shortened or custom axles aren't incredibly expensive are they? Plus, if it did have the same axles, only beefier, as the regular ZX3, and if the ZX3 has the same MTX75 or whatever as we do, then wouldn't that give us a wide range of axle options? Like from a 626, MX-6, Probe, etc? Just a thought.

Confirmed: The Focus has the same transmission as we do, the MTX75, so this swap should definitely fit.

[dstmsp03]

pondering.. does the svt focus have a good LSD?

[spicyprotevo]

The SVT Focus does not even come with any LSD stock, however, Ford Racing makes one for cheap (ish). I guess that they thought with the higher gearing, and maybe lack of torque? that it'd be alright without one. I'm getting mixed results on how tough these transmissions are though. Some people say that they are really weak (which may be because of wheel hop: lack of LSD) and others are running Jackson Racing superchargers and turbos without anything except maybe a clutch. No matter what, I do plan on doing this to one of my cars in the future. Whether it be my MSP once its paid off, or a 97 Probe GT with a built KL. Ooh either sounds pretty damn fun! :)

[HondaEat-R]

Yea so...I broke a tooth off my PAR straight cut crown gear. I'm still on the stock turbo, 15psi, and NEVER launch my car. PAR should not be considered "bullet proof". Just a heads up to people.

[mspHtown]

Yea so...I broke a tooth off my PAR straight cut crown gear. I'm still on the stock turbo, 15psi, and NEVER launch my car. PAR should not be considered "bullet proof". Just a heads up to people.


is par going to replace it for you?

[Crazee D]

I've been reading up on the focus forums recently about swaps

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149236

http://forums.focaljet.com/steeda-autosports/521066-2-3-duratec-full-swap-kit-we-want-your-opinions-4.html

I was feeling out any AWD attempts they have tried, lots of info

[kz9]

I think proteges have a GSM-15. In fact I know that it is a G seris tranny. The SVT tranny WILL NOT bolt directly to the FS. Totally different tranny.

[93mx6]

i remember somewhere had a quaiffe 6 speed transmission for the 93-97 mx6/probe, i cant remember at the moment but it was like $16000, so thats what i can offer(stoned)

[bryanakahamm]

16k though?

screw that

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

I dont drive a msp, i drive an mx-6 with the 2.0l 4cyl (but theres no forum for them on this site). but anyways, i was on google trying to figure out what car had a matching tranny that i could swap mine for. the mx-6 tops out at 112, so im running just under 3k rpm's at 60 mph on the highway. (not to mention that i usually go 80 mph, which is over 4k rpm's...) ohh, and that my first gear is really short. it only gets me to 20 mph...

so i found this list in the forum and i was wondering if anyone wanted to help me out here. i just need to know if any of there trannys will be an easy bolt on and give me what im looking for.

thanks


ps- call me a noob or whatever, but whats the "LSD" stand for?



Limited Slip Differential (LSD)

[93mx6]

for an MX6 and ford probe forum go to www.mx6.com

it has everything you need my name on there is 93blkbeauty i used to have a mx-6 so i can help you with stuff. the 2.0 tops out at 118, with the 2.0 theres a way to bypass the governor, its on the forums over there, and first going only to 20??? never experienced that with mine. how many miles do you have

[jersey_emt]

ps- call me a noob or whatever, but whats the "LSD" stand for?

Limited Slip Differential (LSD)


Or Lysergic acid diethylmide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide), if you're into that sort of thing.

Anyways, a lot of talk has gone on over the years about swapping out the transmission in the MSP, but I don't recall anyone actually doing it. I'd definitely be happy if I was mistaken.

[HondaEat-R]

is par going to replace it for you?

Nope, only a 1 year warranty on their parts. Cost me $1,200 for a new crown gear, and my car's been down for weeks. Good stuff.

[Crazee D]

So anyone check out the links to focus forums?

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

Or Lysergic acid diethylmide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide), if you're into that sort of thing.

Anyways, a lot of talk has gone on over the years about swapping out the transmission in the MSP, but I don't recall anyone actually doing it. I'd definitely be happy if I was mistaken.

Well i have a friend in Australia that did a Tranny Swap for his protege, his actually using a Toyota MR2 Transmission, let me see if i can get him to post in here...

[StealthWyvern]

Well i have a friend in Australia that did a Tranny Swap for his protege, his actually using a Toyota MR2 Transmission, let me see if i can get him to post in here...



really you have a friend?(cool) beans kiddo! lol jk. That would be some pretty sweet info if you can get him to post it up.

[JPR-MSP]

If the info that TITANIUM posted is somehow correct...I can say that BP trannies from the 97 kia sephia are very good...I will try to do some field research (since I have one tranny in my dad's shop all torn apart from my previews builts,I pulled 300 whp with a BP engine.Tranny never failed,the only part that needed work was the differential pin,even an unexperienced welder(like me) could do it...hehehehe I DID!!!)

I will try to get a regular protege tranny(FS ENGINE) and rip it apart to see if the internals could fit...
I will call a local which has lots of expirience with mazdas and I will let you guys and gals know...

note:
I thread that started as some people may call it "stupid" has been a good head start for people to research and maybe coming up with ideas for adding more strength to our trannies...

Not all questions that seems dumb are...

REMEMBER GUYS AND GALS NOT EVERY PERSON HAVE THE TIME TO READ CAR THINGS ALL DAY...SOME OF US HAVE A NORMAL LIFE (which I will drop for a 100% car life, but is somehow impossible for me)...he he he!

regards!

[Crazee D]

Borienqenos FTW!

[spicyprotevo]

Is the FS not the same engine, obviously some differences, as the Zetec 2.0? If so, then why does kz9 say that the transmission wont bolt up? If they can throw the SVT trans on the Zetec, and we just so happen to have the same bellhousing bolt design as the Zetec, then we damn well better be able to bolt that tranny to a MSP. Just my thought, but i'm pretty sure that ANY g-series transmission will bolt up to ANY car that has a g-series transmission, thus, even though the SVT trans isn't a G-series, the ZX3 is, and that would mean YES to a 6-speed. Obviously gear ratios are something to watch, and I'm going to go test drive an SVT Focus soon to see how I like the gearing, but once again, THIS WILL BE MY CAR SOMEDAY.

[tweetyspeed]

doing a motor build and best friend of mine owns a junk yard and was a tranny man for 15 to 20 years!!! going to do some tranny expeiraments... any ideas for the first try? found out the 3rd gen probe has a 3.80 finale drive that ca be put on our lsd!!!!!

[Ricktalife]

spec-v's have 6 spd transmisson... but i dunno if you would want that...

i have a spec at the moment and i love the 6 spd
btw it's for sale to anyone in the central pa area for 12k (59000 miles)

[slomsprotege]

there is talk of people going for the svt tranny.... i couldnt get it to work, my buddy took his motor out of his svt (rebuild, nitrous fry) and we decided to try this (if it worked i would buy him a new one), the bolts are all exact but i could not get one of them to line up. and i remember reading somewhere on here about someone mentioning something about a kia tranny or changing gearsets... i dont know ill look into it or try to find a differential, im tired of hitting 145 and thats it.... and plus at 300whp 1st gear is absolutely useless.

[Mazdaspeed2oo35]

if you guys want to know what exactly you need to do, and what to use, you need to talk to the Puerto Rican Guys in Puerto Rico, they have and build the sickest, fastest fucking Proteges World Wide, they use different parts from different cars on the proteges, they all Have 9, 10, Seconds Proteges and Mazda's daily driving.... www.carrito.net

[spicyprotevo]

slomsprotege, you tried putting the SVT tranny on what? You had a space fs block sitting around? And what exactly do you mean the bolts are exactly the same but you couldn't get one of them to line up? So you're saying they have the same bolt pattern? I'm going to try to see if I can get a test drive around town and get some data, like what 3000 rpm looks like in each gear. Sorry if there are too many questions but it looks like if you couldn't get only 1 of the bolts to line up, that something custom could be fabricated to make this work out.