byebye msp

[SpcyOrangeMSP03]

well i always loved this car, still do. traded in this afternoon on an 04 Jetta GLI 1.8t. Im very very pleased with the new car. i got 13,900 for my 03 spicy msp with 17k on the odo. I think i got a little more cuz the VW dealer i went to also sells mazda. North Penn VW/Mazda in North Wales PA, they are awsome and if u are in the area havin service issues with yer msp take it there, they should take care of u. Anway ill post pics of my new car soon if u guys wanna see it. It has a 207 BHP turbo engine, 18 inch BBS wheels, Large brakes, ESP, SUNROOF!! and also sports Recaro Seats. Its pretty sweet. I paid 26,500 out the door for the VW. My insurance is less too cuz its a "safer" car. Anyway just makin my announcement. Ill be back periodically to check up on u guys. Take it easy.

Jon

[alexlitov]

are you a chick??

all the chicks who I know drive a Jetta....

Nothing personal.

Enjoy your new car.

[SpcyOrangeMSP03]

haha whatever, i like it, i think u would too if u had one. haha no insult taken. peace guys

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Its a nice car...congrats stay around the boards....have fun with the car i'm sure its nice. Hows the handling compared to the MSP???? In ur opinion

[SpcyOrangeMSP03]

well it came stock with 18's rising on goodyear eagle f1;s. It also has bilstein suspension, and when ur sitting in those recaro seats it feels even tighter then the msp. But very comprible. the VW just feels more solid.

[mspdfreak]

yeah, but what does it look like..a plain jetta?

[SpcyOrangeMSP03]

nooo, i described it to yall. its all kitted out, lowered, metallic blue, 18;s. it looks really nice. ill post pics tomm

[mattybo]

nooo, i described it to yall. its all kitted out, lowered, metallic blue, 18;s. it looks really nice. ill post pics tomm

uh yea, it's still a jetta. Jetta's arent considered sport compacts. It is in a different class than an MSP.

[03MSPRO]

all you need now i a chip. VW did a good job with their turbo engines. Enjoy

[react.is.a.geek]

well i always loved this car, still do. traded in this afternoon on an 04 Jetta GLI 1.8t. Im very very pleased with the new car. i got 13,900 for my 03 spicy msp with 17k on the odo. I think i got a little more cuz the VW dealer i went to also sells mazda. North Penn VW/Mazda in North Wales PA, they are awsome and if u are in the area havin service issues with yer msp take it there, they should take care of u. Anway ill post pics of my new car soon if u guys wanna see it. It has a 207 BHP turbo engine, 18 inch BBS wheels, Large brakes, ESP, SUNROOF!! and also sports Recaro Seats. Its pretty sweet. I paid 26,500 out the door for the VW. My insurance is less too cuz its a "safer" car. Anyway just makin my announcement. Ill be back periodically to check up on u guys. Take it easy.

Jon
I just took the "tour" of the GLI on VW.com - (boom01) Looks VERY nice! Congrats! I've been thinking of getting a VW since my warrenty will be up in no time (~25k mile in 9 months) but i've always stayed away from VW since I always seem to -hear- how much trouble they have faulty electrical systems(?) What kind of milage are you supposed to be getting on it btw?

Congrats, enjoy, and send over some pics! =)

[K-S-W]

nice car............

[JMS'sMSP]

Is that the same car that on the radio they advertise how awesome the door hinges are? I know the first thing I look at when buying a car is the damn door hinges?!?!

Anyway hope you like your new girl car.

[Ryoga28]

Good luck with it. I went from a 2003 Tornado Red GTI to a 03.5 MSP because of all the shit I had to go thru with warranty issues. Make sure your service department has a good reputation. Plus, careful with mods like apr or revo. If you redline it, the dealership will know about it.


Enjoy your new Car!!!

[FSDET]

are you a chick??

all the chicks who I know drive a Jetta....

Nothing personal.

Enjoy your new car.
lol thats what i thought :)
BTW it has 180bhp how did u come up with 206 ??
and 26k thats ALOT of money for a jetta thats about to be discontinued soon
i think the VWs that we get here suck the european versions are the best..
anyway enjoy the new door hinges.. and the moonroof :)

[Ryoga28]

lol thats what i thought :)
BTW it has 180bhp how did u come up with 206 ??
and 26k thats ALOT of money for a jetta thats about to be discontinued soon
i think the VWs that we get here suck the european versions are the best..
anyway enjoy the new door hinges.. and the moonroof :)
He probably got it mixed up with the V6 version

[Stormtrooper77]

Good luck with it. I went from a 2003 Tornado Red GTI to a 03.5 MSP because of all the shit I had to go thru with warranty issues. Make sure your service department has a good reputation. Plus, careful with mods like apr or revo. If you redline it, the dealership will know about it.


Enjoy your new Car!!!
That's the first thing I hear about the Jetta's and Golf's, is that you will run into a ton of problems.

[Damaga]

Why not get an R32 for that money???

[FSDET]

He probably got it mixed up with the V6 versionhmm the vr6 is 200 bhp
1.8t is 180 bhp
but 207 bhp ????(boom07)

[03MSPRO]

Is that the same car that on the radio they advertise how awesome the door hinges are? I know the first thing I look at when buying a car is the damn door hinges?!?!

Anyway hope you like your new girl car.The MSP is just a supped Protege. Way more girls drive Proteges than guys. That also makes the MSP a girls car lol

[FSDET]

^^ not really ... for SOME reason i see alot of chicks driving jetta then proteges
and the MSP doesnt have the same engine as the regular proteges like the jettas hahaha
damn im biased

[03MSPRO]

^^ not really ... for SOME reason i see alot of chicks driving jetta then proteges
and the MSP doesnt have the same engine as the regular proteges like the jettas hahaha
damn im biasedEngine codes are the same for ALL 2.0 Proteges, P5, and MSP.

[alexlitov]

The MSP is just a supped Protege. Way more girls drive Proteges than guys. That also makes the MSP a girls car lol

I've yet to see more girls driving a protege then guys....

[alexlitov]

The MSP is just a supped Protege. Way more girls drive Proteges than guys. That also makes the MSP a girls car lol

and you just called yourself a girl.

If you are a girl, we need pictures :)


(lol2)

[TampaBlackMSP]

The GLI is a sweet ride, period. Good choice. (2thumbs)

[Black Majik MSP]

Engine codes are the same for ALL 2.0 Proteges, P5, and MSP.
wrong, FS-DE vs. FS-DET

[Black Majik MSP]

The fact of the matter is that you just gave up a Spicy Orange MSP & I doubt you'll ever have a car as unique as that again. I know lots of friends with VWs & most of them are nice cars...hope you enjoy it.

[MSPBlazinYellow]

Why not get an R32 for that money???

i thought the exact same thing when i read the price.

only thing i like better on that jetta are the seats and the 6 speed. oh and the MOONROOF (wink) . that body kit just looks weird to me. plus that thing is 10k more than i spent on my msp. but if you like it thats all that matters!

[sickspeed94]

Good luck with it. I went from a 2003 Tornado Red GTI to a 03.5 MSP because of all the shit I had to go thru with warranty issues. Make sure your service department has a good reputation. Plus, careful with mods like apr or revo. If you redline it, the dealership will know about it.


Enjoy your new Car!!!

i bet you wish you'd bought something else, you probaly get just as many warranty issues with the MSP, w/e i still love my car.

[mspeedpro]

all lower model vws WILL ABSOLUTELY FUCKIN DESINTEGRATE. worst cars ever when it comes to maintenance, eletrical systems, warranty.... The 1.8T engine is a fuckin awesome platform but dont be looking to run any msps in tha twisties -=D

Btw-- the reason they advertise the door hinges prob has to do with the fact that in a year or so youll be pullin door panels off every week to fuck with the electrical system so youll get to know them real well -=D

[sickspeed94]

nice purchase, too bad i envy you like the kid that goes out with the hottest girl in school and cheats on her. if there was one thing in my life i could take back it would be to buy a spicy orange (bike)

EDIT: yey my 200th POST!

[mspdfreak]

Umm...I've also never known a guy who drives a Jetta. Oh, and I looked on the vw website, too, and I see no 207hp anything. I saw the same thing as posted above...200hp v6, and 180hp 1.8 turbo. As for Bilstein shocks, hell they put those on some Crown Vics!

[StrEEt MaFiA]

ma boi just bought one.....i personally dont like them too much besidez tha featurez. anyway i love ma ride

(already smoked tha GLI.......hahahha)

[sickspeed94]

yeah i beat a revo'd GTi (says he missed 3rd, almost wanted to fight me after i won), and i beat a jetta 1.8t (180hp one) around my town, before any mods except intake. anyway i think the jetta he bought is the factory tuned one, there were one or two down here at gunther VW and they were sellin em pretty expensive, but they're chipped with minor work and like wheels body work and some interior pieces, all under warranty (of that's what you call VW's sorry excuse for a warranty).

[Autox MSP]

GLi is just a plain 1.8t with a 6speed, bodykit, heavy bling wheels and recaros for 26+k. Jettas don't even have a independent suspension in the rear.

I'd take the Legacy GTover it in a heart beat.

[cosmo420]

thank god i did not guy a GTI, i was on my way to the VW dealer to look at them but my mom was reading the car sales ad in the post and Mazda at the time was giving out incentives for the MSP and i heard turbo as one of the many features they listed and i made a u-turn towards the Mazda dealer, and thats when i ended up with my pride and joy with NO regrets whatsoever

[mspeedpro]

i test drove and NEEEAARLY bought a black vw gti 1.8t with black leather and very nice 17" wheels. Man it was a great car and itd be pretty stout in the quarter. I chose the orange msp and i regretted it off and on for some time until my gf's beetle literally began falling apart after 2 yrs and my ex gf's 02 1.8t jetta goes into the shop every afternoon... we may all complain about msps problems but these would be the tip of the iceberg if we were all rollin in vdubs.

[Autox MSP]

VW might look nice but they are known to fall apart. My friend is a vw service tech. Electrical problems are very common. You see every other vw with its rear tail lights out, its not the bulb but the relays go bad.

[FSDET]

GLi is just a plain 1.8t with a 6speed, bodykit, heavy bling wheels and recaros for 26+k. Jettas don't even have a independent suspension in the rear.

I'd take the Legacy GTover it in a heart beat.
exacty. with 26.5k u can get an acura tsx which is 10x better then the gli ..
but the new legacy is the best for that price range

[Rich03MSP]

Dude i hate that dealership.....
don't ever go there again
the Colmar VW/Mazda dealership in North Penn sucks ass

i tried to get my msp from there and they were complete
assholes about it, totally unprofessional
so i had to go down to philly to get my msp
jus sayin from experience

later
-Rich

[BlkZoomZoom]

As a tech. for both Mazda and VW ( have more VW training than Mazda) I will be the first to say you will never have a mechanical problem with your VW....Except for wheel bearings, rear brakes every 20k, and maybe a couple of burnt clutches. However Electrical problems........all I can say is I will NEVER be out of a job being the shops VW Electrical specialist. As a side note I have driven the GLI and I LOVE the seats.

side note- A GLI was at the track last week and ran a best of like 15.8.......

[Ryoga28]

I rememberd having tons of problems with my tranny. The 2nd gear started grinding at 3000 miles and was rebuilt by the dealership (sovereign volkswagen in NY) and then it started having problems again @ about 6000 miles. Again it was rebuilt with a lot of begging under warranty. Then just after 12 miles with the second tranny, it wouldn't go into reverse half the time and sometimes 2nd. I knew the shift linkage needed to be adjusted, but I didn't want them to have a reason to void my warranty. So I took it back and was told by the Service advisor (saw him talking to the SM) that my warranty was voided and they wanted to charge me to fix it.

TO make the long story short I got rid of my GTI a week later for a MSP and haven' had any transmission problems as of yet (6K). Get this...After two months VWOA called me and told me that my warranty was intact. The SM also give me an angry call about my letter of compliant of a seperate issue and he denied ever knowing about my visit...

Besides the vague feel of the tranny and the numerous rattles, I felt the service departments are usually very shady and I was sick of it.

But Mazda is not that much different regarding shady service departments.

[BlkZoomZoom]

the "new" six speed is supposed to be pretty beefy....we only sold one I think and they haven't had any problems yet. (knock on wood)

[mazdaspeedpower]

I say nice car. I would've kept the MSP, but the Jetta is still a nice car, with a bit more power, and one easy mod that'll bump the power even more. and maybe his 207hp is with the chip????

[lasermp5]

207 bhp comes from 180 + "the chip" used for 1.8t engines... costs like 400 but gets you right in 200 range...

[spacemonkey]

My borther drive VW pure baller status. You get soem luxury and cool designs on VW bottom line car. Those crazy germans make everything so cute and cool.

ONly one problem...you will absolutely hate working on it. Germen cars especially audi/VW are a pain to work on. Things are located in weird places. They use torx screws instead of regular phillip or flat head screws. The oil filter is located in the worst place possible...in the bumper on the 2.0L GL models. K04E turbos are dinky and come in cereal boxes and IC are pancakes.

But the engine is good...a hell lot better then the MSP because its an FI engine. You'll love it! I always feel cool and german when driving my brother's golf.

[BlkZoomZoom]

lol 2.0 gulfs oil filters are in the easiest locations....try a 1.8t passat automatic.

[spacemonkey]

wha...you mean in the freaking bumper? I never find enough room to get the tool on and twist. I guess it is easy if you have a cup...still kinda tight and crap. PLus I hate that little flap that they put in on the front bumper under tray...ghey.

[BlkZoomZoom]

the older gulfs tray is held on by 4 screws.....'03 and up is held in by 18 screws......the passat you need to remove the intake tube, coolant res. and underbelly shield to do an oil change and you will make a mess no matter what lol.

[spacemonkey]

I remember oil getting everywhere and over lines...sucked. lol german enginuity...looks cool. Like when I 1st looked under the hood of an turbo S4...I was like wheres your engine? He must have took off like a billion plastic pieces that made it look nice to get to the turbo. I heard the new V8 S4s timming chains are right next to the firewall...that must be fun...like chaning out fan belts and etc. I say cut the crap Audi/VW...we dont need flower vases in those cars (beatle) and cut plastic stuff everywhere...lol...j/k

Remember the cool non functioning cup holders in the 03 golfs? The one where when they pop up you cant use the radio? It was really cool but it took them like years to finally ditch it and put it in a place that actually works.

[sidpro5]

Dude i hate that dealership.....
don't ever go there again
the Colmar VW/Mazda dealership in North Penn sucks ass

i tried to get my msp from there and they were complete
assholes about it, totally unprofessional
so i had to go down to philly to get my msp
jus sayin from experience

later
-Rich
Sorry to hear that, dude. I had nothing less than a pleasant buying atmosphere, and the service on my 5 has been quick and painless. No pressure from anyone. My salesman even drove me to Flourtown to get my wife to sign over my old ride. Guess it all depends on who you deal with..........

[msubullyfan]

well i always loved this car, still do. traded in this afternoon on an 04 Jetta GLI 1.8t. Im very very pleased with the new car. i got 13,900 for my 03 spicy msp with 17k on the odo. I think i got a little more cuz the VW dealer i went to also sells mazda. North Penn VW/Mazda in North Wales PA, they are awsome and if u are in the area havin service issues with yer msp take it there, they should take care of u. Anway ill post pics of my new car soon if u guys wanna see it. It has a 207 BHP turbo engine, 18 inch BBS wheels, Large brakes, ESP, SUNROOF!! and also sports Recaro Seats. Its pretty sweet. I paid 26,500 out the door for the VW. My insurance is less too cuz its a "safer" car. Anyway just makin my announcement. Ill be back periodically to check up on u guys. Take it easy.

Jon
I seriously do hope you enjoy your car. I suggest going down to your local VW dealer and introducing yourself to the Service Manager. You'll be on a first-name basis with him in about 6 months.

http://www.msprotege.com/members/msubullyfan/jetta.jpg

[stevesMSP]

Been thinking of trading mine latly too!(bang)

[JDM Sam]

i believe they come with k03 turbos stock in the 1.8 and k04 is the upgrade? and the fastest street times are 13s with the upgrade? There are MSPs that run mid to low 13s with the stock turbo still.

[spacemonkey]

yeah whatever it is its a small turbo....thats why cars like audi TTs run like 20 psi and still get okay times. I guess It is a 1.8L so its not gonna get a big turbo stock. Turbo upgrade would def be sonthing I would look into. The weight of the car doesnt really help either. I recon a T25R or T28rs would be a very nice size for that car. My friend has a stage 2 on his car...I dont know what that includes but its fucking fast. Another thing that annoys me are the window regulators.