best fmic?

[DigitalHeadShot]

I know this is an overplayed question but after doing hours of searching I want to try to add the top 3 contenders under one roof and get reason why one is better than the other.. does anyone know the claimed hp gains of each.

my idea of top three may be diffrent than someone eles but thats the three I looking into. I dont really want to see who is king of the hill but want to know what people think of each, stories, pro and cons.. That way it will help ladys and gents like myself find which is best for whom ever.

1 iON performance
2 hiboost
3 wagner

peace.

[AutoBox]

do u want or have a injen intake?

do u want to upgrade ur radiator to a wider setup down the road?

do u want a bolt on kit that includes a intake


answer these three questions then we can help u out.....beyound this...they are all the same....one may claim a few more hp or lbs of torque but its all the sam ein the end

[505zoom]

#1

[Swerny]

There was just a whole thread about this with both Hi-Boost and iON contributing their input.

[srtchick]

ugh not another- Which FMIC thread??????.... :rolleyes:

[mspeed101]

(chair) ION IS THE BEST!!!!!!

[CRDMS1]

Door #1 :D

Peace...(hippy)

[DigitalHeadShot]

im not sure what I want to do down the road..
yes, yes another which fmic to get. Reason im writting this is beacause after hours of reading fmi's threads there is little knowledge of the wagner out there and I think it should be thrown in with the other dominating champs.

to go back to the start, about I dont know what I want to do first I mean im picking fmi first. I know wagner comes with intake and iON and hiboost can both use injen etc..

im just wondering PEOPLES impressions on each.. the real people.. I dont care about a couple of hp diffrence. Im talking peoples install pains, funtimes, looks.. just how do you guys feel about each other..

so yes and no this is just another fmi thread. But not to many others ask that question of how the real driver feels about it.

I want to know why everyone says iON is better? excluding the few hp differance it makes over other fmic's. So please bare with me and share your opinions

thanks.

[DigitalHeadShot]

I knew you would say number 1 zoom haha.. as far as the other peeps WHY!!!! number one??? (bowdown) please share why..

also if you dont like my questions dont post back. whats the point of anyone asking a question on this or anyother thread? To get a few answers. And I have spent HOURS reading threads.. pros and cons and I did read every post on the hiboost vs iON but I wanted to throw the other in.

[Heathen23]

It really depends on your goals, if you want to cut, what you want to pay, and who you like dealing with.


This really has been covered very thoroughly, I hate to say it but stick to your search and make a decision that you will be happy with.

[Wiggles422]

Has HiBoost ever posted dyno results? Not that I'm aware of. So we don't even know that Ion's is the best, performance wise.

[DiscreetSpeed]

#1you know it, iON baby (headbang)

[mazdaowner123]

I vote iON as well. It's the one I'll be getting eventually because I want to upgrade the radiator for track days. I don't think the other two allow a bigger radiator due to running the piping where the stock IC was.

~brian

[JONBOY688]

i vote hiboost. super easy install, looks great and i dont care if i got mild steel pipes. another plus hiboost is in stock.

[1FASTMP5]

i have the hiboost and love it! (headbang)

[low_psi]

hold out for the BEGI kit..... and a possible MSUSA kit...

[Wha'Happened]

dont forget GReddy...or wait, did GReddy forget us????

[DigitalHeadShot]

thanks for all input peeps.. Well I have contacted all 3 companies and there all close to the same price. I may or may not have understood but hiboost and wagner both have kits rdy to come out now. I wasnt sure with iON but from what people say there is a wait. (dont mark my word on iON not 100%.

-B

[mazdaowner123]

Yeah, like mx3 said, BEGI and Mazdaspeed kits both look promising, but of the three you selected I'd go with iON. I can't wait to see what BEGI and hopefully MS come up with though.

~brian

[spike blue]

well ion and hiboost are very good kits. But im going with the ion.

[03MSPRO]

also depends on how long you want to wait for your FMIC.

Is Begi making one?

[StreetUnit]

No FMIC is the best FMIC. With stock turbo and boosting under 15lbs... a FMIC is merely engine dressup.

[jurgs01]

No FMIC is the best FMIC. With stock turbo and boosting under 15lbs... a FMIC is merely engine dressup.
Completely agree. How many people out there have actually taken the time to research the fact of intercooling? Having a bigger core has a larger pressure drop, which means you will be having to significantly up your boost to even make it worth while. An upgraded SMIC will increase flow over the stock one while cooling better. Our cars don't need a FMIC. I personally am going to get an upgraded SMIC, a CO2 IC sprayer, and am going to be experimenting with water/alcohol injection. I will be getting better and safer gains than those with an FMIC, and nobody will see it coming:)

[StreetUnit]

They won't see us comin' Sean
(wrc)

[CHICO2003]

ugh not another- Which FMIC thread??????.... :rolleyes:
I hate when people say this kind of shit! As if we ALL were around the last time this topic (or any other) was brought up. I mean, it's NO DIFFERENT than bitching about a show you and your friend like being a rerun... when he/she hasn't seen it yet!

[DiscreetSpeed]

lol i disagree with both of you....
jug- lol pressure drop with a bigger fmic...do you know what the pressure drop is iON kits?(stooges)...obvioulsy not

street-you obviously havent driven the car hard and long enough to see what what its like when the stock ic is done for...a upgraded side mount will help...though it will heatsoak before the fmic does..and down here in this tx weather that happens quick.

[Wiggles422]

I personally am going to get an upgraded SMIC, a CO2 IC sprayer, and am going to be experimenting with water/alcohol injection. I will be getting better and safer gains than those with an FMIC, and nobody will see it coming:)

Of course with a CO2 sprayer and alcohol/water injection you'll get better gains than a FMIC w/o the CO2 sprayer and injection, that's a no brainer. But, put all the same stuff on a FMIC and get the same results. I think there's a lot more potential with a FMIC for those that are going to up the boost. A hardpipe kit and upgraded SMIC will run about the same price as a FMIC. Personally I think it comes down to the look you want.

EDIT: I agree with DiscreetSpeed on disagreeing.

[StreetUnit]

we are discussing 2 different applications, high and low boost.

The majority of FMIC MSP's say that they weren't impressed with the gains of the FMIC. Why? because they have the stock turbo and boosting under 15 psi. The majority of MSP's are not hitting that level of performance to need a FMIC. FMIC is great under the correct applications. The SMIC is projected to yield sufficient gains to stock turbo and low boost apps (under 15psi). SMIC is being tested at different boost levels and results will be posted.

[Heathen23]

we are discussing 2 different applications, high and low boost.

The majority of FMIC MSP's say that they weren't impressed with the gains of the FMIC. Why? because they have the stock turbo and boosting under 15 psi. The majority of MSP's are not hitting that level of performance to need a FMIC. FMIC is great under the correct applications. The SMIC is projected to yield sufficient gains to stock turbo and low boost apps (under 15psi). SMIC is being tested at different boost levels and results will be posted.
I agree but it depends what you want out of the car. I enjoy the same pull out of my driveway as I do 30 minutes later in the brutal NC humidity. To me, it's hard to sell that short. But you are 100% correct on low boost applications and the gains seen, it's an efficiency benifit...not a gain.

[DiscreetSpeed]

i have yet to see someone who is upset with the iON kit....they are with other kits.
"majority of the msps"..if they drive spirited for more than 1/2 an our even at stock boost that car is gonna feel likes it runnin on N/A haha.
ive seen wrx's that dyno 20+ hp over the wrx's that have the top mount.
i dyno at 175+ hp at 5-6 psi....and the main thing i had done was the fmic and dp.
i have yet to see a msp dyno on the stock ic on stock boost with a dp dyno at that hp.

[DiscreetSpeed]

I agree but it depends what you want out of the car. I enjoy the same pull out of my driveway as I do 30 minutes later in the brutal NC humidity. To me, it's hard to sell that short. But you are 100% correct on low boost applications and the gains seen, it's an efficiency benifit...not a gain.the gain is efficency...maintainin that hp you have for longer time then just at the begining.

[Heathen23]

the gain is efficency...maintainin that hp you have for longer time then just at the begining.
I know, that's what I said :p

[jurgs01]

i have yet to see someone who is upset with the iON kit....they are with other kits.
"majority of the msps"..if they drive spirited for more than 1/2 an our even at stock boost that car is gonna feel likes it runnin on N/A haha.
ive seen wrx's that dyno 20+ hp over the wrx's that have the top mount.
i dyno at 175+ hp at 5-6 psi....and the main thing i had done was the fmic and dp.
i have yet to see a msp dyno on the stock ic on stock boost with a dp dyno at that hp.
I would get the ION FMIC if I wanted a FMIC, but that's not the route I'm going. I will never boost over 10-12 psi in this car, and before the winter I am getting an SUV so this will be only a project car for me (I will be experimenting a lot of different things). My modification plan takes into account every mod I will be making and it's impact with relation to the other mods. I know you like to push your boost to the limit discreet so the FMIC is perfect for your application. My dealership has a mechanic who has been modding mazdas for a long time (I feel bad for all of you with dealership problems) who will be helping me tune my car when I get a standalone next year. I would definately recommend the ION product line (I am getting their race-spec exhaust when I have the cash). Those who are jumping all over the Hiboost kit are bandwagoners. Why hasn't Hiboost put out any dyno numbers? Do people really think someone who manufactures turbo kits and FMIC really has that hard of a time getting dyno runs? I'll tell you why, because people weren't smart enough to wait and demand dyno results before they bought it. Why would they risk doing a dyno that could be worse than ION's proven results? Smart business knowing that most consumers are uneducated and easy to manipulate. More larger bigger aren't always better, and that includes every mod you do. I spend hours and hours doing research before I decide to make a mod. Nobody should say with difinity this is better than that, because it always depends on the application.

[DiscreetSpeed]

well said
fmic>smic

[Wiggles422]

Those who are jumping all over the Hiboost kit are bandwagoners.

Are you sure it's not because they don't want to cut anything? That's why I'm going with the HiBoost. I don't know what your defenition of bandwagoner is but ever since I found out that the HiBoost cost less than the Ion and didn't require cutting I decided I'd start saving up.

[jurgs01]

"...everybody is fitted to see, few to understand. And these few do not dare to oppose the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to confirm their view" (Niccolo Machiavelli's The Prince).

Whether they know the source or not, every vendor practices using this theory of human phsycology.

[jurgs01]

I would take one look at my rotors and definately say that I would never put mild steel piping on my car. That goes for intake, exhaust.

[jurgs01]

I would still have wanted them to do dyno #s before I bought it. That's where the bandwagon comes in. Do you know what the cfm flow rate is through the Hiboost core? Do you know what type of core they use? I'm by no means saying that Hiboost has a bad FMIC, but it would be smart of all of you who are buying it for $900 to ask some of these questions. I have seen people jumping all over this and countless other products without all of the info. The reason I like to deal with vendors like ION and ********** is because they will always answer me if I ask questions like these.




Are you sure it's not because they don't want to cut anything? That's why I'm going with the HiBoost. I don't know what your defenition of bandwagoner is but ever since I found out that the HiBoost cost less than the Ion and didn't require cutting I decided I'd start saving up.

[Heathen23]

I would still have wanted them to do dyno #s before I bought it. That's where the bandwagon comes in. Do you know what the cfm flow rate is through the Hiboost core? Do you know what type of core they use? I'm by no means saying that Hiboost has a bad FMIC, but it would be smart of all of you who are buying it for $900 to ask some of these questions. I have seen people jumping all over this and countless other products without all of the info. The reason I like to deal with vendors like ION and ********** is because they will always answer me if I ask questions like these.I'm a bandwaganning whore! Oh wait, I prefer hiboost over ion and find ion overpriced and inconvinient to deal with being in CAN. Ion makes a great product I'd buy their product if it met what I wanted, I just know from other protege's running hiboost products they can be trusted. I saw Ion's tbo back and though it looked to be welded poorly at best. I know there are exceptions but these are my reasons for my choice. Not to mention I'm not cutting, it's just not what I want to do to my car.

You assume too much. Consdiering your calling out people about doing the homework you might want to take a look at your NA hood on your FI car;)

ps it's a spearco core

[Wiggles422]

Juan (HiBoost) has been given EXCELLENT reviews, I've read a few mishaps about Ion.

[SpicyMSP]

(peep)

[Wiggles422]

(peep)

Yeah... I'm done.

[MrDiggler]

I'm glad this was brought back up. It was worth discussing again. I'm shopping for an upgraded IC right now, and leaning heavily toward a FMIC. Too many advantages (assuming, of course, that I can find a FMIC without too big a pressure drop). The SMIC route prevents using a larger radiator, and has limited available airflow.

As for overkill at lower boost, sure it is, and that's fine with me. I'd like a little headroom to move up when better internals get installed. I sure as hell don't want to buy an IC twice. I don't know about the rest of you, but my MSP runs like SHIT in this 85-90 deg. humid air down South. The only time it pulls hard is when it's first pulled out of the garage after having all night to cool down. It heat soaks in less than 15 minutes when it's hot outside. These puppies run hot and seem to hold a ton of heat under the hood. Good for emissions, bad for intake charge temps. I don't think the problem is all in the stock SMIC either, because the intake gets hot as hell on my car. It just compounds the problem. I want a big, efficient IC, a larger radiator, a lower temp thermostat, and a good way to get heat out from under the hood. Until there's an affordable workaround for the overly rich factory programming, I want a denser intake charge to go with that extra fuel.

[Heathen23]

I'm glad this was brought back up. It was worth discussing again. I'm shopping for an upgraded IC right now, and leaning heavily toward a FMIC. Too many advantages (assuming, of course, that I can find a FMIC without too big a pressure drop). The SMIC route prevents using a larger radiator, and has limited available airflow.

As for overkill at lower boost, sure it is, and that's fine with me. I'd like a little headroom to move up when better internals get installed. I sure as hell don't want to buy an IC twice. I don't know about the rest of you, but my MSP runs like SHIT in this 85-90 deg. humid air down South. The only time it pulls hard is when it's first pulled out of the garage after having all night to cool down. It heat soaks in less than 15 minutes when it's hot outside. These puppies run hot and seem to hold a ton of heat under the hood. Good for emissions, bad for intake charge temps. I don't think the problem is all in the stock SMIC either, because the intake gets hot as hell on my car. It just compounds the problem. I want a big, efficient IC, a larger radiator, a lower temp thermostat, and a good way to get heat out from under the hood. Until there's an affordable workaround for the overly rich factory programming, I want a denser intake charge to go with that extra fuel.
Since you want the larger rad the Ion is the best fit for you. Nice product and jack is very helpful. Maybe one of the upcoming kits like from BEGI will allow the larger rad also.

[brealmp3]

what about the kit listed on mantaray motorsports site, big price diff and you get fmic and all??? plz let me know because i want to boost my mp3 here soon and need to pick a kit.

late

[jurgs01]

Consdiering your calling out people about doing the homework you might want to take a look at your NA hood on your FI car;)

ps it's a spearco core

I have a modified regular protege SRI running the ram-air setup. Homework? Let's see. A CAI is placed lower on the car so it can get air from under the car so it is cooler. An SRI is just a short pipe for less restriction. A ram-air hood does not actually ram-air into the intake. It takes the fast flowing cooler air from outside and directs it to the intake of the SRI filter while shielding the moisture. This allows for cooler outside air to be taken in by the SRI as opposed to a regular SRI taking in hot engine air. So, by having this setup I get the benefeit of cold outside air like the CAI with the short non-restricive path of the SRI. There CAI or SRI debate solved in my book. And let's talk about financial consideration. Regular CF hood ~600-700 dollars + intake ~200+ dollars. "ram-air" hood $900. And it looks better than a regular CF hood. There is no ramming of air going on in the Ram air hood setup just like there is no ramming of air going on in a "Short ram intake." I spend a lot of time going over this with my physics instructors and Mech engineering graduate students (one who previously worked automotive engineering). I do spend time researching even on the hood (though I didn't expect to have to modify the SRI).

[Heathen23]

I have a modified regular protege SRI running the ram-air setup. Homework? Let's see. A CAI is placed lower on the car so it can get air from under the car so it is cooler. An SRI is just a short pipe for less restriction. A ram-air hood does not actually ram-air into the intake. It takes the fast flowing cooler air from outside and directs it to the intake of the SRI filter while shielding the moisture. This allows for cooler outside air to be taken in by the SRI as opposed to a regular SRI taking in hot engine air. So, by having this setup I get the benefeit of cold outside air like the CAI with the short non-restricive path of the SRI. There CAI or SRI debate solved in my book. And let's talk about financial consideration. Regular CF hood ~600-700 dollars + intake ~200+ dollars. "ram-air" hood $900. And it looks better than a regular CF hood. There is no ramming of air going on in the Ram air hood setup just like there is no ramming of air going on in a "Short ram intake." I spend a lot of time going over this with my physics instructors and Mech engineering graduate students (one who previously worked automotive engineering). I do spend time researching even on the hood (though I didn't expect to have to modify the SRI).Nah, it's fine. I know what you are saying about the 2 inches difference in CAI/SRI. My point is you ordered a hood for NA design. Not a big deal and can be worked out to your advantage. But your posting very "holier than thou" about homework when in reality you ordered the wrong fucking hood.

I think the hood is awesome though if it can be worked properly, that's an ideal design and looks better IMO than any other vented hood. So I say more power to ya. I just want you to consider blanket statments about people doing their homework.

Your "bandwagon" post was rather attacking tis all

[Wiggles422]

You have a book?

[1FASTMP5]

I would still have wanted them to do dyno #s before I bought it. That's where the bandwagon comes in. Do you know what the cfm flow rate is through the Hiboost core? Do you know what type of core they use? I'm by no means saying that Hiboost has a bad FMIC, but it would be smart of all of you who are buying it for $900 to ask some of these questions. I have seen people jumping all over this and countless other products without all of the info. The reason I like to deal with vendors like ION and ********** is because they will always answer me if I ask questions like these.bro, dyno#'s to me dont mean SHIT! every car will see different results. anybody could pay someone to review their products and pub it in a mag. do you know what kind of core Ion ues's??????? hi-boost use's a spearco core. i think ion's products are good, but if anyone is jumping on a bandwagon.... it's all the ''i love ion heads''
do as you will, and believe what you want.....but remember NOT everything you read on this forum or in a mag is the TRUTH!!! PERIOD

i also trust a company that makes THE best & most powerful p5 turbo kit still avalible to this day(and it's been out for over a year) alot more than a company that make's fmic,exht,cai..... that are all over priced!!!!

[DiscreetSpeed]

iON makes their own core...
who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lol
do you know anyone else that makes the parts iON does?
do you know anyone else with the proven results iON has?
do you know anyone else that makes their own cores like iON does?
i dont...must not get around much?

i guess im a i love iON head? but i dont know of many companies or any company that has what iON has.
either way discreet > ALL(upyours)

[Wiggles422]

either way discreet > ALL(upyours)

:bs:












jk (eekdance)

[jurgs01]

I really didn't mean to insult people who actually did their research and bought the hiboost because it was their best choice, I am just trying to encourage people to do more research before they buy. There is a lot of impulse buyers out there who take people saying something on this forum as law. This forum is great, and I enjoy discussion and opinion I see. I mainly use it for ideas and entertainment, not for info. If I see an idea or product that looks interesting I research it, and there are a lot of ideas that I would never have thought of without this forum. I didn't buy the wrong hood, I called corksport (because I knew the hood was intended for NA) and they told me what they were sending was compatible with the MSP, so I assumed they would send me a MSP SRI. When I got the regular protege SRI I was pissed, as you can go read about in the Corksport review forum, but I had a nipple for the BPV and a mount tig welded on and it worked famously. I bought this hood against everyone's advice on the forum because I researched the idea and found them to be wrong. I personally will only buy from vendors who will answer every question I have about a product, and you can see those who take the time to answer (and you can tell who knows what they are talking about), and those who dodge around or don't give complete answers to questions I tend to avoid because they are not answering for one of two reasons: either they don't know or they know you won't like the answer. Either which way I don't want their product. Read through some of the threads about vendors products and see the questions asked and their responses and you will see what I'm saying.

[1FASTMP5]

iON makes their own core...
who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lolboost
do you know anyone else that makes the parts iON does? -
do you know anyone else with the proven results iON has?
do you know anyone else that makes their own cores like iON does?
i dont...must not get around much?

i guess im a i love iON head? but i dont know of many companies or any company that has what iON has.
either way discreet > ALL(upyours)
d.s-
hey, bro dont get me wrong.....i was also looking into ion parts to.
but alot of there stuff is co-built with other companies. thats why they have such a long wait for parts. in the end i just wanted to go another route that no one has gone. i.e you & alot of others ;)
maybe see if i can make the same if not more power than the guys with the ion parts.....(evil)

all-
btw, there where a few guys at protegefest that had all ion parts(fmic,t.b,cai) and i still took home fastest mod protege with no fmic. ;)

one of the reason's hi-boost doesnt have a dyno yet for the fmic is because me & the guy who got the prototype kit arent @ stock boost.
im soon to dyno my shit and we will see where i stand as far as hp. but i can tell you this it's well over 230+ with my mods. (eekdance)

btw, i believe that pann auto fmic dyno pulled more whp on there fmic than any other kit ive seen results for yet.....even ion. i think they gain somthing like a peak 19+whp on the powerband. check them out too. PEACE

[1FASTMP5]

I really didn't mean to insult people who actually did their research and bought the hiboost because it was their best choice, I am just trying to encourage people to do more research before they buy. There is a lot of impulse buyers out there who take people saying something on this forum as law. This forum is great, and I enjoy discussion and opinion I see. I mainly use it for ideas and entertainment, not for info. If I see an idea or product that looks interesting I research it, and there are a lot of ideas that I would never have thought of without this forum. I didn't buy the wrong hood, I called corksport (because I knew the hood was intended for NA) and they told me what they were sending was compatible with the MSP, so I assumed they would send me a MSP SRI. When I got the regular protege SRI I was pissed, as you can go read about in the Corksport review forum, but I had a nipple for the BPV and a mount tig welded on and it worked famously. I bought this hood against everyone's advice on the forum because I researched the idea and found them to be wrong. I personally will only buy from vendors who will answer every question I have about a product, and you can see those who take the time to answer (and you can tell who knows what they are talking about), and those who dodge around or don't give complete answers to questions I tend to avoid because they are not answering for one of two reasons: either they don't know or they know you won't like the answer. Either which way I don't want their product. Read through some of the threads about vendors products and see the questions asked and their responses and you will see what I'm saying.
no, hard feelings.......i agree with you on people doing their own research and see what suits them best. ;) but remember alot of people just get on a thread and post ?'s that have been answered over and over in the first two pages. lol....
people NEED to read more.

[DiscreetSpeed]

lol if you can get 175+ on 6psi....youll be my idol.
dont get the 230 in your head to much....that was on a run from 3-4500...
we'll see when i dyno again.
lol do you think that 9psi added just made 50hp...i doubt it.

[1FASTMP5]

d.s-who is this company that makes this turbo thats been around for a year,lol


- sorry i edited the post....i was talking about the hi-boost p5 kit.
right now they have their p5 putting down around 300whp with all the goodies. (bowdown)

[1FASTMP5]

lol if you can get 175+ on 6psi....youll be my idol.
dont get the 230 in your head to much....that was on a run from 3-4500...
we'll see when i dyno again.
lol do you think that 9psi added just made 50hp...i doubt it.
no..no.. i was talking about me. lol
i thought you put down like 245whp or something?

[DiscreetSpeed]

we'll see saturday

[iON Performance]

Heathen23 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=3176) - You may want to look across the pond out in Japan and in Europe at the high end competition level exhaust products for touring car or WRC, you'll notice that the type/style of welds are exactly the same as ours - hand-crafted TIG.

jurgs01 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6225)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1019707", true); </SCRIPT> - our FMIC core & full system has less pressure drop then stock.

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - FYI the guy who you saw that had our FMIC kit, CAI & Full TBE was @ stock boost ;) What are you boostin'?

[DiscreetSpeed]

jurgs01 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6225)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1019707", true); </SCRIPT> - our FMIC core & full system has less pressure drop then stock.

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - FYI the guy who you saw that had our FMIC kit, CAI & Full TBE was @ stock boost ;) What are you boostin'?bout time you saw this man...i was all by myself here(friday)

[1FASTMP5]

jurgs01 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6225)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_1019707", true); </SCRIPT> - our FMIC core & full system has less pressure drop then stock.

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - FYI the guy who you saw that had our FMIC kit, CAI & Full TBE

was @ stock boost ;) What are you boostin'?not that day! he told me he was running 9lbs on his ebc. i was running 9.5-10 with less mods and a stock intercooler. also the next best 1/8 time from any other protege other than mine was 9.6-9.5... i ended up running a 9.323 @ 83 mph.(not my best time either)
i had really bad traction problems that day. :D

[iON Performance]

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - do you remember who this guy was? There's only 2 cars that are fully "iON Equipped" (stage 1 FMIC, CAI & Full TBE). Both of which have no boost controllers, running stock boost. One of them is the Turbo & High-Tech Performance Magazine project MSP.

And FYI, we didn't pay Turbo & High-Tech Performance Magazine to do a review on our products. They came to us requesting our parts to test. The parts on their project MSP are "loaners"

[1FASTMP5]

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - do you remember who this guy was? There's only 2 cars that are fully "iON Equipped" (stage 1 FMIC, CAI & Full TBE). Both of which have no boost controllers, running stock boost. One of them is the Turbo & High-Tech Performance Magazine project MSP.

And FYI, we didn't pay Turbo & High-Tech Performance Magazine to do a review on our products. They came to us requesting our parts to test. The parts on their project MSP are "loaners"
ion, he's from nor cal.....he might not of had the full t.b exht and just told me that. (dunno) ill try to find out his name. i believe you about the mag thing...i was trying more or less to make a point to poeple on here. dyno results arent always true!!!! alot of factors go into the results of a dyno graph. i re-read my post and im sorry if it came across as me pointing the finger directly at you.

[jurgs01]

ion, he's from nor cal.....he might not of had the full t.b exht and just told me that. (dunno) ill try to find out his name. i believe you about the mag thing...i was trying more or less to make a point to poeple on here. dyno results arent always true!!!! alot of factors go into the results of a dyno graph. i re-read my post and im sorry if it came across as me pointing the finger directly at you.
Very true about the dyno. The only way to measure how effective an IC is would be to measure the pressure drop and difference in air temperature at the inlet and output of the IC throughout the entire RPM range. To compare the results of two different ICs they would both have to have these readings taken at the same outside temperature and pressure (elevation dependant). Anyone think this is going to happen? For now all we have is the dyno to measure performance gains, which is variable as hell but we can get an idea of the difference in pressure drop and denser air because of cooling due to the increase in HP over the dyno. Then we can get more info on dynos done consecutively to show that the core is effective in maintaining unlike the stock IC. Oh, and go DETROIT!!(guitar)

[iON Performance]

1FASTMP5 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=2766) - no harm no foul; as for dynos yes you're right to a certain extent in regards to the various factors. However if the same car is being tested under similar conditions (air pressure, temp, humidity), on the same dyno; the results will be accurate in the sense that the absolute gain would be vaid.

If you compare 2 different cars, at two different dynos; then yes - a dyno comparison between the two would be meaningless.

[DigitalHeadShot]

well its good to see that my, ugg not another which fmic to get thread is takeing off. As an update I just picked up the under dog fmic wagner. reason A the deal I got was great. B wagner was extremely helpful and took tons of time on the phone with me to explain anything I had questions about. C I love the look of the fmic.

In the end I guess it goes down to what really works for you because all the fmic's seem to within a hp of each other performance wise. With that in mind I look at other needs. One I dont care to upgrade the raid on this car, this is my daily driver not a race car for me. I take the cosmetics of the fmic and way them out. In the end I love the look of the wagner over all the others and the ss pipeing, the idea it comes with type s blow off and an intake for the same price as the others.

So my vote goes to Wagner. People should really check them out..

Anyways thought I would rave about the underdog.
peace for now
Digit