Cryofuzion Interfreezer

[kicker22705]

anybody have or hear anything good about this cryofuzion interfreezer???

i went to my local tunershop asking bout fabricating me ic pipes for a fmic, and he suggested the idea of this "cryofuzion interfreezer" if i wanted to get rid of heatsoak.

i asked if it was like the intercooler cooler but he said its totally different.

he said its better than a fmic b/c no matter how big of an intercooler you have, it will never get cooler than the atmospheric temp, whereas this will drop it down to -30 degree. it will be like driving in winter-like temperatures and you can spray it as long as you have co2 left in the tank.

and for $550 plus only $5-10 here and there to fill up a tank, it sounds like a pretty good deal to me. best part of all, it allows the me to keep my sleeper esq. profile with no fmic.

this is what the website has to say about it.


The Interfreezer™ is basically a heat exchanger. Is is an aluminum chamber, through which the air flows as it enters the engine. After passing through the air filter, the air enters the motor via the air intake pipe or intercooler tubing. It is at this point that we cool the incoming air by passing it through a series of long, thin walled tubes within the Interfreezer™. These tubes are surrounded and cooled by the pressurized CO<SUB>2</SUB> which enters the Interfreezer™ at a temperature as low as 100 degrees below zero. This extreme cooling effect not only cools the air, thereby creating more horsepower, but it also dries it. Moisture is removed from the air as it enters the motor, which, in turn increases burn rate.



The cooling effect of the Interfreezer™ is so dramatic that after only seconds you will actually see ice crystallizing on the outside of the intake pipe.

After entering the Interfreezer™, the CO<SUB>2</SUB> is still full of energy which can be further utilized to create horsepower and dominate the competition. Because the CO<SUB>2</SUB> never mixes with the air used by the engine, there is still residual compressed gas which can be used in other areas of the car. That means not only is using an Interfreezer™ completely safe, but efficient. Add other Cryofuzion accessories to optimize the horsepower unleashed when you hit the button!


www.cryofuzion.com (http://www.cryofuzion.com)

[sickspeed94]

doesn't some guy on this site sell custome home made ones for like $80-$100?

[Demonic-Speed]

So their solution to possible C02 ingestion was to place a restriction in the path of the intake. That does not make much sense....

[jersey_emt]

Just get a CO2 or N20 sprayer on the intercooler. Much cheaper, and just as effective...possibly even more so.

[Rich24km]

Just get a CO2 or N20 sprayer on the intercooler. Much cheaper, and just as effective...possibly even more so.
agreed(thumb)

[ddogg777]

Just get a CO2 or N20 sprayer on the intercooler. Much cheaper, and just as effective...possibly even more so.
But not nearly as efficient. The mostly closed system of the cryodoodad allows the co2 to soak up a lot of heat. If you just spray your IC with CO2, you will be filling up bottles left and right because most of the heat that it soaks up is from outside air blowing by as you drive, not from the IC.

[jersey_emt]

Let's put it this way. I would never trust any product from a company that produces and advertises this:

http://www.cryofuzion.com/products.htm#Cheetah

[ddogg777]

Wow, I was actually impressed with those ideas. In theory they all would work just as they say. Those are the kind of things I studied in Thermo and Fluid Dynamics classes. It just takes real life tests to see HOW MUCH they work...
I do like their intercooler idea, that is definately the best one. That is much more efficient than just spraying your IC. Using their method, the Co2 would be contained--not blown away by the air in conventional sprayers. $550 is loads of cash though...

[ddogg777]

Kicker, I would like to see you get it to try it out on your car. That's the only sure way to see how well it works...

[GAspeedProtege]

Everyone paypal me 5 bucks, I'll guinea pig it. :) Lol, if not, I'll order it, hook it up and tell you guys about it.

[evolv]

I still like the idea of spending my money on a bigger intercooler... why re-invent the wheel.

[BlkZoomZoom]

I feel dumber after visiting that site.....That "cheetah" idea is stupidest thing I have seen in a long time. I'm actually mad that I wasted my time looking at that site.

[t3ase]

Guys, DEI has had a Cry02 kit out for quite a long time. I didn't fully explore that site but if it's C02 related, I'd go the DEI route... Plus, the DEI is cheaper and has (assumingly) much more R&D in it.

OrangeMSP has a DEI C02 intake kit on his S2000. WOrks well.

[ddogg777]

Evolv, bigger IC doesn't mean better, necessarily. If you get bigger than your flow requirements allows, it will be less efficient and not cool your intake air like a properly sized IC should. Again that has to do with fluid dynamics and thermodynamics.

Blkzoomzoom, the idea/theory of the Cheetah is very serious--howbeit very silly! If you happened to be racing someone side-by-side it would actually work. Ever tried smelling co2 in a witches pot at thanksgiving? Cough, cough. It would be like running your car at a higher altitude where there is less O2. I believe that it would knock off some horsies off the car next to you. But seriously, you would have to be racing and you in front...

[Notorious]

theres a thread just like this one in the NA section, might be worth checking out.

[Riles]

Has anybody here ever considered a water-air intercooler? When they are at their worst they have higher efficiencies than our intercoolers at best. Also, you can add ice to the water tank when you want to get the intercooler above 100 percent efficiency.

The Water-Air costs the same or less than most FMIC's, and its cheaper to use ice than it is to use CO2, and its very efficient.

[Emode]

Let's put it this way. I would never trust any product from a company that produces and advertises this:

http://www.cryofuzion.com/products.htm#Cheetah

all i can say is if you were racing someone and sprayed out this shit at their car that made them stall, they would follow you and beat your ass(braindead

[505zoom]

all i can say is if you were racing someone and sprayed out this shit at their car that made them stall, they would follow you and beat your ass(braindead

(lol)

They got it all wrong, oil slicks and smoke screens are where it's at. If those don't work for you, then there's always machine guns and missles.(thumb)

[jersey_emt]

Has anybody here ever considered a water-air intercooler? When they are at their worst they have higher efficiencies than our intercoolers at best. Also, you can add ice to the water tank when you want to get the intercooler above 100 percent efficiency.

The Water-Air costs the same or less than most FMIC's, and its cheaper to use ice than it is to use CO2, and its very efficient.
Yup orangezoom is getting one.

[Brian MP5T]

Let's put it this way. I would never trust any product from a company that produces and advertises this:

http://www.cryofuzion.com/products.htm#Cheetah
Ha, they are telling you that spraying CO2 on the guy next to you is Ok and even desired. Like that shit on his paint job wont get you slapped or worse!! (fight)

[jred321]

Let's put it this way. I would never trust any product from a company that produces and advertises this:

http://www.cryofuzion.com/products.htm#Cheetah(rofl)
they need spikes that come out of the wheels too

[Rich03MSP]

i would be sooo pissed if some queer sprayed sum cheetah shit
on my MSP!
i think it's gay and a waste of money



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[celdridge]

Let's put it this way. I would never trust any product from a company that produces and advertises this:

http://www.cryofuzion.com/products.htm#Cheetah


I have to say ... thats is by far the GAYEST thing i have ever seen in my entire freakin life. That deservses like the rump ranger of the year award.

(spank) (spank) (jerkit) (bj) (bj) (hump) (upbum) (upbum) (blowjob)

[MSPinVA]

Yes, the "cheetah" is gayer then when gay first came to gay-town. Plus, I don't know about you guys but cooling the air to -30 degrees is a little extreme. Cracked intake mani, anyone?

[kicker22705]

Guys, DEI has had a Cry02 kit out for quite a long time. I didn't fully explore that site but if it's C02 related, I'd go the DEI route... Plus, the DEI is cheaper and has (assumingly) much more R&D in it.

OrangeMSP has a DEI C02 intake kit on his S2000. WOrks well.
I checked out the DEI site and read lot of opinions from this forum, na forum, and the SRT-4 forum. Been getting a lot of mixed oppinions, they are mostly speculations tho since not many people actually have it.

people have been bringing up the fact of co2 can create moisture causing problems, and it can also be injested by the intake, while others say the co2 will never enter the motor b/c the its setup. someone also said, the low temperatures will cause the car to run very lean causing detonation while others say it will raise the threshold of detonation.

do you know if orangemsp has had any these problems or any other??? is the intake kit w/ the cryo2 kit worth the $500 or am i better off saving towards fmic???

if these problems are legit things to worry about, i may just go with the water ic sprayer until i can afford a fmic.

sry to be asking you all the questions, but you seem to be the only one w/ first hand knowledge of the system from seeing it yourself. appreciate the help, thanx.

[ddogg777]

someone also said, the low temperatures will cause the car to run very lean causing detonation while others say it will raise the threshold of detonation.


Both can happen. If you cool your intake air, it becomes more dense (more O2). Then, if you fail to add more fuel to the mixture, your car will run lean and can detonate. If however, you do compensate and add more fuel, you will "raise the threshold of detonation" because the intake charge will be at a lower temperature.

[ddogg777]

Ha, they are telling you that spraying CO2 on the guy next to you is Ok and even desired. Like that shit on his paint job wont get you slapped or worse!! (fight)
Most likely you won't even see it. The CO2 will be in its gaseous state and heated up because it soaked up heat from the intake. On the website you can see mist because the CO2 is still cold and condensing water in the air. They must have been stopped and just sprayed some to show what it looked like. Also CO2 is an inert gas and won't harm your paint.
Personally, I think they should use propane to burn the competition.

[kicker22705]

Both can happen. If you cool your intake air, it becomes more dense (more O2). Then, if you fail to add more fuel to the mixture, your car will run lean and can detonate. If however, you do compensate and add more fuel, you will "raise the threshold of detonation" because the intake charge will be at a lower temperature.
thanks ddogg. i guess this calls for a apex SAFC. getting this kit and making the fuel mixture correct might just add up to getting a FMIC.

[MSPinVA]

Personally, I think they should use propane to burn the competition.

Flamethrowers. OMG that would be so freakin cool. Marshmallow roast at my car!

[Brian MP5T]

Most likely you won't even see it. The CO2 will be in its gaseous state and heated up because it soaked up heat from the intake. On the website you can see mist because the CO2 is still cold and condensing water in the air. They must have been stopped and just sprayed some to show what it looked like. Also CO2 is an inert gas and won't harm your paint.
Personally, I think they should use propane to burn the competition.Ok, I was just joking a bit.

Still, think of the stupidest person with the gayest car in your town and think of what he/she would do with something that shoots shit out the side of it, formula for "FIGHT NIGHT" I think.

As far as the paint thing goes. Try turning the compressed gas in the "Dusters" upside down and spray it on someting. It's not the gas that does the dammage, it's the impurities in the air around you that get frozen to the surface.

I agree with you man, I was just joking about the paint thing as it is extremely unlikely, just in the wrong hands, this toy could cause alot of problems.

[Brian MP5T]

Flamethrowers. OMG that would be so freakin cool. Marshmallow roast at my car!
There is a security alarm for cars that shoots flames out the drivers side at the person trying to jack your ride!! I believe it was on T.V. and it's from South Africa!!

(bowdown)

[celdridge]

There is a security alarm for cars that shoots flames out the drivers side at the person trying to jack your ride!! I believe it was on T.V. and it's from South Africa!!

(bowdown)


I want one that covers my oponents car in liquid propane and then lights it with a flamethrower. That would be hella cool.

HAHA ... NOT

[KyRaceFan]

I lose every race in the 1st 5 feet.
True fuckin story.

[Brian MP5T]

I want one that covers my oponents car in liquid propane and then lights it with a flamethrower. That would be hella cool.

HAHA ... NOT
#1 Idea for the day.

I was told by some kids around here that my car shoots a 4" flame out the tip sometimes at WOT!! Hows that for an ego boost??

(yippy)

[jersey_emt]

There is a security alarm for cars that shoots flames out the drivers side at the person trying to jack your ride!! I believe it was on T.V. and it's from South Africa!!

(bowdown)
Yup in S. Africa they are allowed to use lethal force to protect their property. There's all sorts of crazy ass car security systems....flamethrowers, poison gas, electric shock, etc.

[ddogg777]

There's all sorts of crazy ass car security systems....flamethrowers, poison gas, electric shock, etc.
Hmm, electric shock....20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, anyone? That would be saweet!

[jurgs01]

Yup in S. Africa they are allowed to use lethal force to protect their property. There's all sorts of crazy ass car security systems....flamethrowers, poison gas, electric shock, etc.
Shit, I've accidentaly set off my alarm too many times to use something like that LOL.

[Wiggles422]

Yup in S. Africa they are allowed to use lethal force to protect their property. There's all sorts of crazy ass car security systems....flamethrowers, poison gas, electric shock, etc.

I think we should addopt that system, anyone who screws with my car deserves to get themself burnt to a crisp.

[celdridge]

I think we should addopt that system, anyone who screws with my car deserves to get themself burnt to a crisp.


im thinking more along the lines of thousands of sharp pointy spears that come out of the car body..... hmmmmmm ... yesssss.....

[Wiggles422]

(headbang)

[terbow]

isnt there a point that would be just too cold? i mean the idea is to cool the charge temps. If you think about it, and i may be way off but, when the hot ass air comes out of the charger its tightly packed and flows faster than the cool air. now obviously having scorching hot air isnt good for the engine, but wouldnt cooling it to that extreme be a bit of overkill? wouldnt it slow down the air velocity? i think a good intercooler, or even a co2 sprayer on the cooler would be more effective. i know on some turbo kits, to keep the air speed up and still tightly packed, they make the charge pipe (out of the turbo to IC) about 10% larger than the outlet to keep the air up then once out of the IC, when the air is cooled, its a larger pipe to get it out of there quickly. i think that thing is overkill, unless u install a flux capaciter and need to travel to 1955. :)

[jurgs01]

isnt there a point that would be just too cold? i mean the idea is to cool the charge temps. If you think about it, and i may be way off but, when the hot ass air comes out of the charger its tightly packed and flows faster than the cool air. now obviously having scorching hot air isnt good for the engine, but wouldnt cooling it to that extreme be a bit of overkill? wouldnt it slow down the air velocity? i think a good intercooler, or even a co2 sprayer on the cooler would be more effective. i know on some turbo kits, to keep the air speed up and still tightly packed, they make the charge pipe (out of the turbo to IC) about 10% larger than the outlet to keep the air up then once out of the IC, when the air is cooled, its a larger pipe to get it out of there quickly. i think that thing is overkill, unless u install a flux capaciter and need to travel to 1955. :)
Hehe. Agree completely. Taking a good idea (like cooling air) to the extreme might not be good. I mean if you have air temp outside of like 90 deg. and air temps inside your pipes of way below freezing, that can't be healthy for the pipes (like running your freezing hands under hot water just not a good idea). I don't know what would be an ideal temperature for performance and safety, but there is one and if you go too far above or too far below it you're looking for problems.

[terbow]

yea im sure theres no magic number for cooling, basically it would be to keep it at a safe level to fight off the detonation demons, but if u got ice forming on your intake thats just way outta my league of logic. i mean if that thing was any cooler the atoms would slow down, i know its for cooling off the intake air but that be like driving your car through the windy plains of antarctica. plus cooling the air, then heating it up(turbo), then cooling it in the IC, theres just gotta be a point where the air gets tired. unless....oh wait....if u put in a tornado fuel saver to speed up the air velocity....thats it, not only would it be cooler, but youd gain 25mpg. ureeka ;)

[BlkZoomZoom]

cold air is more dense.....that is the reason cold air makes more power. The more dense the air is, the more gets into the cylinder, thus more power. You will never get the intake air cold enough to make frost or create ice no matter how efficent your system is because your intake is under pressure and water freezes and boils differently. That being said I agree with you that there has to be a point where it gets too cold. What that point is and what would determine it I'm not sure.

[terbow]

right exactly, im bored at work so i was kinda jokin around a bit, but yea i wasnt fishing for an answer, i just think its overkill. the picture of the unit working had frost on it so thats why i mentioned it, to illustrate the point of it being way to cold, but at least im not completely wrong in my ideas lol

[BlkZoomZoom]

Just as a side note I spray my intercooler (w/ co2) before a run enough to build up around a 1/4" of ice, by the time I actually run I'm sure it has melted though.

[msp4you]

gimmick

[MrDiggler]

cold air is more dense.....that is the reason cold air makes more power. The more dense the air is, the more gets into the cylinder, thus more power. You will never get the intake air cold enough to make frost or create ice no matter how efficent your system is because your intake is under pressure and water freezes and boils differently. That being said I agree with you that there has to be a point where it gets too cold. What that point is and what would determine it I'm not sure.
Myself and others on the Pontiac performance boards have explored this "intake temp" issue quite a bit. On those huge c.i. V-8's, there is much to be gained by getting the intake cooler. We go to great lengths to keep the engine and intake temps down, and many of the guys have made their best runs after icing the intake before making a pass. With turbo cars w/o enough intercooling, the effect is even more dramatic. Keep in mind, one of the reasons nitrous injection makes more power is not simply the extra oxygen, but the fact that the nitrous oxide changing state from a liquid to gas makes the fog capable of absorbing a ton of heat from the intake charge. I'd love for my MSP intake (and intake manifold, not the damn air box, that's not an 'intake') to get cold enough to ice up. I have the opposite problem in this Southern heat- it's usually so hot I can't touch it. We get a lot of heat soak from the intake manifold, not just the IC.