Brake Problem - Why don't Recall?

[joeblack]

Hi,

I have my 3 for just 2 months and I start to hear the squeeze sound from my brake discs at the back. The squeeze sound is definately created from metals and I checked my brake discs and found out there are some cracks on it.........seems like the brake pads were totally gone away. I tried to take my car to my dealer and the salesman also saying that I should take the car to service as the brake discs should under waranty. He said he did not know why the cracks started to exist on the discs (both 2 sides).....because it is a brand new car.

It is so obviously that there are some structural problems on the brake system of the new M3.....however, I think Mazda has noticed this problem but they still relutance to make a "recall" as it would hurt the sales performance of the 3..........since the 3 just launches for half year.

I hope you guys can continue to post the brake problem in other media so as to create more pressure to Mazda for a recall....otherwise, our lives may be fallen in risk........

[RonH]

If you have a problem with your car, take it to the dealer. If the pads are cracked, they'll replace them. Don't sit and wait for a recall that will never arrive in your mail.

[joeblack]

My point is we should address this problem to Mazda seriously and to create more pressure for a recall. If not, many consumers would suffer this kind of unfair treatment from Mazda. Please think about the other people instead of yourself.

In fact, I have an appointment for fixing the rotors' problem but I have to wait for about 2 weeks since the bookings are full.........

[dulog]

My point is we should address this problem to Mazda seriously and to create more pressure for a recall. If not, many consumers would suffer this kind of unfair treatment from Mazda. Please think about the other people instead of yourself.

In fact, I have an appointment for fixing the rotors' problem but I have to wait for about 2 weeks since the bookings are full.........

Just wondering, are you expecting people who don't have the same problem as you to call up their dealers and/or Mazda and bitch about some problem they read about in a internet forum even if their experience differs?

Sure discussion of a problem is fine but everything seems so random at this point. Maybe if people who had the problem posted build dates, model numbers, options, location. Maybe you could do a poll and ask how many people have cracked discs like you. I don't know just an idea.

[Mikey444]

Hi,

I have my 3 for just 2 months and I start to hear the squeeze sound from my brake discs at the back. The squeeze sound is definately created from metals and I checked my brake discs and found out there are some cracks on it.........seems like the brake pads were totally gone away. I tried to take my car to my dealer and the salesman also saying that I should take the car to service as the brake discs should under waranty. He said he did not know why the cracks started to exist on the discs (both 2 sides).....because it is a brand new car.

It is so obviously that there are some structural problems on the brake system of the new M3.....however, I think Mazda has noticed this problem but they still relutance to make a "recall" as it would hurt the sales performance of the 3..........since the 3 just launches for half year.

I hope you guys can continue to post the brake problem in other media so as to create more pressure to Mazda for a recall....otherwise, our lives may be fallen in risk........

It's not that is would hurt the sales performance, it's that this would be one of the most expensive recalls and we all know how cheap Mazda is.

[Mikey444]

Just wondering, are you expecting people who don't have the same problem as you to call up their dealers and/or Mazda and bitch about some problem they read about in a internet forum even if their experience differs?

Sure discussion of a problem is fine but everything seems so random at this point. Maybe if people who had the problem posted build dates, model numbers, options, location. Maybe you could do a poll and ask how many people have cracked discs like you. I don't know just an idea.

Not everyone have cracked discs, but a lot of ppl have problems with there discs.

[dulog]

So I should call up Mazda and complain becauce "a lot of ppl have problems with there discs"? I'm sure they'll appreciate the generalizations and my lack or research to come up with these assumptions.

[Da 6]

good luck....unless there is incidents where you were on the highway and had to stop and apon a nice pedal stomp nothing happened. the nice lil circle vented rotors are also a problem on the 6. that meants 03 and 04 6 and the 04 3 would need to be recalled. This isn't a focus so thats not gonna happen soon. I had people with 2k1 focuses and still recieve recall notices till this day...reason I opted for a neon. as for cracks...how many miles when you got it and do you have abs?

[joeblack]

I think we really should start a new poll to keep record on those who get problems on the brake rotors in order to show some evidence to Mazda.

[Mikey444]

good luck....unless there is incidents where you were on the highway and had to stop and apon a nice pedal stomp nothing happened. the nice lil circle vented rotors are also a problem on the 6. that meants 03 and 04 6 and the 04 3 would need to be recalled. This isn't a focus so thats not gonna happen soon. I had people with 2k1 focuses and still recieve recall notices till this day...reason I opted for a neon. as for cracks...how many miles when you got it and do you have abs?

It actually happened to me this winter on dry roads, the brakes did not respond, everyone in front of me was panick braking for some reason, I responded imediately, held the pedal down as hard as I can, It did not respond much whatsoever, I hit the person in front of me, Absolutely nothing happened to either vehicle, thank G-d for that.

[rockstar3]

Happened To Me Too Except It Cost Me A Hood And Front Bumper! The Brakes On These Cars Are Shit!!!!! (along With The Tires) But Mazda Will Never Admit It!
Anyone Have That Irratating Squeeking Noise Coming From Their Back Brakes?

[dulog]

interesting first post

[sndsgood]

any aftermarket rotors and pads out yet? say screw going with stock, if they are sub par.

[Loose]

Happened To Me Too Except It Cost Me A Hood And Front Bumper! The Brakes On These Cars Are Shit!!!!! (along With The Tires) But Mazda Will Never Admit It!
Anyone Have That Irratating Squeeking Noise Coming From Their Back Brakes?

Sorry to hear of your brake troubles and subseqent front end trouble. I don't have any squeek from my brakes but I dont't think it's fair to blame Mazda fro Goodyear's shitty tires. Just so we are on the same page, I agree the tires are shitty and I agree there is a problem with the brake pads (my opinion they are to "soft") I plan on replacing the pads and the rubber as soon as they wear out, which won't be long by the looks of the dust on the rear rims and the reputation of Goodyear's shitty tires.

Tim

[Da 6]

as for the brakes....they stop the tires...tires stop the car....the tires on your car and my car are just enough to "Get By" I had an incident where I had to lock up my non abs brakes and had a dyre need for two tires asap after that 6-8 second skid. I guess I had the anti spin thing cause I turned my steeringwheel hard right to swerve the truck before lossing traction...and even after the tires unlocked I managed to pull out of the slide with no body damage. I will tell you this if you alredy lock your brakes don't upgrade them cause if it took 2 seconds to lock up stock big brake kit will lock you up at 1.4 seconds and make things worse....best bet is get better tires then if you need brakes go for it...

for the record mazda 6 gets shitty MXV4+ michilins

[bvmazda3]

as for the brakes....they stop the tires...tires stop the car....the tires on your car and my car are just enough to "Get By" I had an incident where I had to lock up my non abs brakes and had a dyre need for two tires asap after that 6-8 second skid. I guess I had the anti spin thing cause I turned my steeringwheel hard right to swerve the truck before lossing traction...and even after the tires unlocked I managed to pull out of the slide with no body damage. I will tell you this if you alredy lock your brakes don't upgrade them cause if it took 2 seconds to lock up stock big brake kit will lock you up at 1.4 seconds and make things worse....best bet is get better tires then if you need brakes go for it...

for the record mazda 6 gets shitty MXV4+ michilins

Better (and susbsequently bigger) braking systems will actually be LESS likely to lock sooner (assuming the same tires and treadwear)...

I can already lock my brakes (or engage the ABS), so what can a better brake system do for me?

Although virtually any brake system can be spiked into locking a rotor or activating the ABS, the true measure of a performance brake system is how close it allows you to come to the point just shy of locking. This is affected by a number of elements. Some of the most important are caliper stability and leverage affect on the rotor, which increases with rotor diameter. In simple terms, the more stable a caliper and the more evenly it can apply the pads to the rotor surface, the faster your car will stop.

[ArsonCarson]

I was in Vancouver last weekend browsing dealers and 2 of them had staff MZ3 Sports parked in the lot and both of them had an obscene amount of brake dust on the rear mags. Another one in Richmond had the same thing. I pointed it out to the salesmen and asked what they knew about the problem and they said they haven't heard anything and that it had not been an issue.

Is the issue of notchy 1st and 2nd gear in the Manual Tranny and this brake issue reason enough not to get a 2004 MZ3??

[Mikey444]

Happened To Me Too Except It Cost Me A Hood And Front Bumper! The Brakes On These Cars Are Shit!!!!! (along With The Tires) But Mazda Will Never Admit It!
Anyone Have That Irratating Squeeking Noise Coming From Their Back Brakes?

Damn, How much did the bumper end up costing? And you are so right about Mazda not admiting the shitty brakes and tires.

I find it funny. cause I have no problems with brake dust on my rear wheels, just braking fluid which is normal, the front brakes though are SHIT. my rear brakes function like nothing else, they are good. My front ones look like they have seen everything there is to see.

Btw, how long do you think the brakes will last on the Mazda 3?

[joeblack]

I will take my car to fix today.....and I will know whether the squeeking sound and the cracks on the rotors are due to the worn down of the brake pads or not.....will inform you guys later once I clarify with the technician. If this is due to the worn down of the brake pads, then, I will assume it only last for around 3 months.

[AzMz3]

I had one incident where I was not paying attention and traffic in front of me stop. My Mazda3 stopped on a dime. I have not had any problems with my brakes, they seem to be very good.
And it was the 2000 Ford Focus with the recalls.
I don't see a recall happening.

--Herb--

[joeblack]

I just talked to the head of the technician department and he basically said that the brake dust problem was mainly due to the material of the brake pad given the front and the rear brakes are using different kinds of materials. However, they said this problem cannot be solved as soon as there is no direct relationship between the brake dust and the passgengers safety......... and they can't help us to choose other kinds of brake pad until Mazda Tokyo asked them to do so. If not, they have no choice but using the original factory brake pad.....so it means this problem cannot be solved until there is a recall.

Indeed, they have received lot of complaints from clients regarding brake dust and they have responsed to Mazda Tokyo. However, take action or not, it's all depends on the headquarter. However, he indicated to me that as soon as the brake system is still working and the dust won't create risk to passengers' safety, he doesn't think Mazda would do too much on that.

Regarding to the cracks on my brake discs (or rotors), they found out there are two deep cracks on both of the discs. He can't give me a clear answer for how would that happen. He basically saying that it might created from the little sands or a small rocks being sticked on the brake pads. However, I said the probility of having a small rocks stick on both sides of the pads is quite minimal. He also said it might due to the softness of the brake discs or some mismatching between the pad material and the discs, etc. Anyway, his answers are all inconvincing.

So, guys. Our problems cannot be solved until we can show more envidence to Mazda that our lives are in hazard. Otherwise, we have to continue to clean the brake dust every 2 days and to hear the squeeking sound from tbe rotors for every 2 to 3 months.....

Having said that, I really appreciate for the service provided by Mazda in my country so far and the ways they handle my problem. Very responsive and helpful....and full of sincerelity.

[Loose]

I just talked to the head of the technician department and he basically said that the brake dust problem was mainly due to the material of the brake pad given the front and the rear brakes are using different kinds of materials. However, they said this problem cannot be solved as soon as there is no direct relationship between the brake dust and the passgengers safety......... and they can't help us to choose other kinds of brake pad until Mazda Tokyo asked them to do so. If not, they have no choice but using the original factory brake pad.....so it means this problem cannot be solved until there is a recall.

Indeed, they have received lot of complaints from clients regarding brake dust and they have responsed to Mazda Tokyo. However, take action or not, it's all depends on the headquarter. However, he indicated to me that as soon as the brake system is still working and the dust won't create risk to passengers' safety, he doesn't think Mazda would do too much on that.

Regarding to the cracks on my brake discs (or rotors), they found out there are two deep cracks on both of the discs. He can't give me a clear answer for how would that happen. He basically saying that it might created from the little sands or a small rocks being sticked on the brake pads. However, I said the probility of having a small rocks stick on both sides of the pads is quite minimal. He also said it might due to the softness of the brake discs or some mismatching between the pad material and the discs, etc. Anyway, his answers are all inconvincing.

So, guys. Our problems cannot be solved until we can show more envidence to Mazda that our lives are in hazard. Otherwise, we have to continue to clean the brake dust every 2 days and to hear the squeeking sound from tbe rotors for every 2 to 3 months.....

Having said that, I really appreciate for the service provided by Mazda in my country so far and the ways they handle my problem. Very responsive and helpful....and full of sincerelity.

Crack = grooves?

I'm happy to here even though they didin't fix the prob you are still happy with the response. We will all have to wait for some quality aftermarket pads.

Tim

[rockstar3]

Sorry to hear of your brake troubles and subseqent front end trouble. I don't have any squeek from my brakes but I dont't think it's fair to blame Mazda fro Goodyear's shitty tires. Just so we are on the same page, I agree the tires are shitty and I agree there is a problem with the brake pads (my opinion they are to "soft") I plan on replacing the pads and the rubber as soon as they wear out, which won't be long by the looks of the dust on the rear rims and the reputation of Goodyear's shitty tires.

Tim

How can you not blame Mazda for the shitty tires they choose to put on the car?

[Loose]

How can you not blame Mazda for the shitty tires they choose to put on the car?
You probably paid < 20K for the car and Goodyear's suck but are resonably priced compared to some others out. Mazda was trying to keep the cost of the car at or about 20K. I guess this was one of the ways of doing that. Me personally, I'm satisfied w/ the tires until the wear out then I will purchuse better ones. The good news is that your car isn't wearing Firestones...

Tim

[Mikey444]

You probably paid < 20K for the car and Goodyear's suck but are resonably priced compared to some others out. Mazda was trying to keep the cost of the car at or about 20K. I guess this was one of the ways of doing that. Me personally, I'm satisfied w/ the tires until the wear out then I will purchuse better ones. The good news is that your car isn't wearing Firestones...

Tim

Did you ever stop to think that if they put Michelin Alpin Pilots A/S P205/50 R17 same size it would have been the same price and the tire is a f*ck load better

[goldwing2000]

Did you ever stop to think that if they put Michelin Alpin Pilots A/S P205/50 R17 same size it would have been the same price and the tire is a f*ck load better

Same price for you and me but Goodyear might have cut them a better volume price.

[Mikey444]

Same price for you and me but Goodyear might have cut them a better volume price.

Isnt having a stistfied customer better than saving a couple of dollars?

[Loose]

Did you ever stop to think that if they put Michelin Alpin Pilots A/S P205/50 R17 same size it would have been the same price and the tire is a f*ck load better
Nope, I don't work for Mazda.

You should work the twelve steps for this.. and remember to accept the things you cannot change, have the courage to change the thing you can and THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFRENCE! J/K

[goldwing2000]

Isnt having a stistfied customer better than saving a couple of dollars?

You would think so but unfortunately history shows otherwise. Besides that, most people don't even look at their tires, much less know anything about how they perform. The Goodyear is fine as a "drive it and forget about it" tire.

[rockstar3]

Did you ever stop to think that if they put Michelin Alpin Pilots A/S P205/50 R17 same size it would have been the same price and the tire is a f*ck load better

totally agree with you mikey.

[rockstar3]

speaking of tires anyone try to take them off for any reason? I recently painted my callipers and had no problems with the front wheels but when I went to take the back ones off they didn't budge. I called Mazda who told me to call my roadside assistance covered by my warrenty (great feature I might add). The guy from CAA couldn't believe the wheels had seized after just 5000 km! It wasn't a big deal he just pounded the crap out of them with a mallet, but what if someone was stuck at the side of the road with a flat?


I know I'm complaining allot on this forum and don't get me wrong I love the car but it's not perfect (yet). There are little things about it that are annoying that Mazda is going to have to address in future modle years.

[goldwing2000]

Sit on your butt and kick it with your feet.

[rockstar3]

Sit on your butt and kick it with your feet.


tried that but there was no way to get them off.

[goldwing2000]

tried that but there was no way to get them off.

Kick harder. (fight)

And put some anti-seize lubricant on them after you do get them off.

[joeblack]

Now, more users find the problems in the brake system of the M3.......hope Mazda can really pay more attention on this problem and to solve it soon.....or at least, they should give us an official explanation instead of passing information from different dealers in different countries......

[Da 6]

my rear wheels always does that....must be a mazda thing

[ZippityZoomZoom]

It seems the Japanese have trouble with making performance brakes unless they have Brembo make them. My Acura wasn't very good with braking and the tires sucked and it seems the case with most Japanese cars below $40K. Most manufacturers are more concerned with good wear ratings, all season usability and low noise levels over performance. Imagine how many more complaints Mazda would have if people needed to replace tires yearly.

Anyway, what type of brake system do you people have on your Mazdas? I have the ABS with Brake Force system and the thing stops on a dime and leaves change -but I do have the brake dust issue.

[Da 6]

cobra svt braking system is being tested for mazda 6 series vehicles.

OT but not far off...
Car goes in for brakes again wish me luck!

[accampbe]

Same price for you and me but Goodyear might have cut them a better volume price.

Goodyear definitely cut them a better price. trust me some young project engineer spent a long time trying to get the best tire within the price budget set by some Mazda director of engineering. Obviously the Pilots weren't it. Maybe we should be bitching at Michilin for not having the foresight to see that the 3 would be so popular. Because if they did I'm sure their prices would have and could have been lower and they would be damn pleased to have their tires on the 3, and the market share to boot.

Driz out

[Da 6]

ok..hold on let me comprehend this...(scratch) You want the same tires we hate? Michelins that increase the understeer of the car. In the V6 model you break traction in 1st and continue to loose it in 2nd till you shift to 3rd. there are gashes in the tread from every day use and sections missing from the tread from 1 autocross session. Michelin pilots aren't a tire you want. Get either summer only tires and rims for the good seasons and get snow on the stock rims. or you could just get a really good rated 4 season tire and say F it (2thumbs) .

[wongpres]

ok..hold on let me comprehend this...(scratch) You want the same tires we hate? Michelins that increase the understeer of the car. In the V6 model you break traction in 1st and continue to loose it in 2nd till you shift to 3rd. there are gashes in the tread from every day use and sections missing from the tread from 1 autocross session. Michelin pilots aren't a tire you want. Get either summer only tires and rims for the good seasons and get snow on the stock rims. or you could just get a really good rated 4 season tire and say F it (2thumbs) .
There are many tires under the Michelin 'Pilot' marketing name. Just because the Pilot MXM4's line that is OEM with the N. American Mazda6 sucks doesn't mean the other tires under the 'Pilot' series suck. The 'Pilot' name is all marketing, just like 'Potenza' and 'Eagle' are for Bridgestone and Goodyear respectively - there are some good and no-so-good tire-lines under each of these series.

Mikey444 is slightly wrong because the Michelin Alpin series is actually a winter tire, but I'm sure he was referring to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S, which would have been a much better choice for the Mazda3 17's than the Goodyears. However, as goldwing2000 says, it's a business decision (read: $$$ + politics).

To further prove that these are just business decisions, the Mazda3 17's for Euro-spec are Bridgestone Potenza's, and the JDM-spec Mazda3 16-inch is actually a Michelin tire (Michelin Preceda). As an FYI, the Bridgestone's couldn't be used for N. American 17's because they are summer only (and while Mazda can get away with a summer-only tire for say an RX-8, it wouldn't work for a Mazda3).

[Da 6]

As an FYI, the Bridgestone's couldn't be used for N. American 17's because they are summer only (and while Mazda can get away with a summer-only tire for say an RX-8, it wouldn't work for a Mazda3).Dealerships here recomend you use the RX-8 as a "spirited weekend warrrier" vs a daily driver.

[Mikey444]

The Michelins have those problems but at least they are not as shitty and have an as shitty sutomer rating as the goodyear's. The Mich's got something in the 4's while the stock good year got a 2.2 out of 5.

[Mikey444]

[QUOTE=wongpres]but I'm sure he was referring to the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S, which would have been a much better choice for the Mazda3 17's than the Goodyears.QUOTE]

That's exactly what I meant.

[Mikey444]

Besides that, most people don't even look at their tires, much less know anything about how they perform.
Well, to me, that is dangerous. Because the more you know about everything on your car, the better you will be able to react in an emergency situation. I always apply the aviation theory to eerything I do. Knoledge is power and power is really useful.

[Da 6]

yeah if people did look at the tires on the car before they bought them most car companies would be putting better tires on there. Does it mater cause with the michelin MXV4 Plus I have are already $170USD a piece. So either way perfomance tires would be cheaper per corner and actuly provide something that should be at least commonly found called "dry traction"

[MASTERNC]

It actually happened to me this winter on dry roads, the brakes did not respond, everyone in front of me was panick braking for some reason, I responded imediately, held the pedal down as hard as I can, It did not respond much whatsoever, I hit the person in front of me, Absolutely nothing happened to either vehicle, thank G-d for that.

Same just happened with me, although it was low speed (while backing out) and fortunately the car did stop in time. Otherwise I would have hit a $90K Porsche SUV. I was shocked that a car with ABS would have such a poor braking response.

[ZippityZoomZoom]

Same just happened with me, although it was low speed (while backing out) and fortunately the car did stop in time. Otherwise I would have hit a $90K Porsche SUV. I was shocked that a car with ABS would have such a poor braking response.
Strange. I just had an incident where I had to lay on the brakes at about 35mph and I about sent my passengers through the front window. Amazing.

[Da 6]

which package did you have 15's and toyos or 17's and bad years's?

[ZippityZoomZoom]

which package did you have 15's and toyos or 17's and bad years's?
17s with the 'badyears'. Also the ABS and brake force system... Just did a 400 mile trip; most of it in the wet and the car can stop on a dime. (bow)

[MASTERNC]

which package did you have 15's and toyos or 17's and bad years's?

I have 16" Toyo tires.

[Da 6]

thing I learned is with no abs never fully let the pedal hit the floor and never turn the wheels

[exNeon]

sorry to revive an old thread. but my new 08 just had rear brake squealing noise when i was accelerating down a straight road. repeated the noise twice, sounded awful and like it was from the rear.
turned off the tcs and tried again, nothing, then tcs back on, nothing.

i read that some think this is due to something in between the pad/rotor and other seem to suggest that its due to cracks in the rotors.
what seems to be the more common cause of this awful noise?

[major error]

sorry to revive an old thread. but my new 08 just had rear brake squealing noise when i was accelerating down a straight road. repeated the noise twice, sounded awful and like it was from the rear.
turned off the tcs and tried again, nothing, then tcs back on, nothing.

i read that some think this is due to something in between the pad/rotor and other seem to suggest that its due to cracks in the rotors.
what seems to be the more common cause of this awful noise?

in your case, I think it could be a stuck pad--when the brake piston(s) retracts, the pad backing plate binds on the caliper...
Not a huge deal if you get it fixed right away, but if you let it go, it will lead to premature brake wear and eventually brake failure.

The only brake issue I've ever had was a nice film of rust on the rotors if I didn't drive the car for a day and it was humid.

[wlaquerre]

I have an 08 speed3 the last 250 miles every so often i get a metal grinding noise taking low speed turns sound like its coming from the front end any ideas. Dealer said it was a dust shield too close to the rotor and that they moved it back but still to noise continues. mind you car has less then 600 miles on it!

[Da 6]

I have an 08 speed3 the last 250 miles every so often i get a metal grinding noise taking low speed turns sound like its coming from the front end any ideas. Dealer said it was a dust shield too close to the rotor and that they moved it back but still to noise continues. mind you car has less then 600 miles on it!
If it's anything like my 03 mazda 6 the pads touched on tight turns. Temp fix then was shaved corners of pads. See dealer for warenty fix. My re enactment was hard left or right in reverse(parking in parking spot). If you can't re create it then they won't attempt to fix it.

[ehidle]

One way you can get the ball rolling is to file a complaint with the Department of Transportation about a failure in safety equipment (such as brakes) on your car.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/Consumer.cfm

If they receive enough complaints about a particular model, they will begin an investigation. Any time a safety component on your vehicle breaks, or even operates abnormally, a report should be filed.

Cracks in your brake rotors, IMHO, definitely warrant a report.

[king57721]

Call Mazda USA to complain first... 1-800-222-5500

You can go to different .gov or .org to complain all you want, but just remember any re-call will hurt the re-sell value of your car, you are only hurting yourself... think twice before you do that.(hand)

[mazda3294]

yeah...i used to but then i got the rotors replaced and new brake pads...seems fine now

[ehidle]

Call Mazda USA to complain first... 1-800-222-5500

You can go to different .gov or .org to complain all you want, but just remember any re-call will hurt the re-sell value of your car, you are only hurting yourself... think twice before you do that.(hand)

If what you say is true, I would rather still go through the recall than get in a crash due to the failure of a safety-critical part. It's a little short-sighted to think that you'd rather preserve $100 of resale value than avoid a crash.

[777sacco]

I had the brake problem on my 05 and when I mentioned it to the dealer they said there's an update and replaced pads for free. the stock tires are crap and need to be replaced every 50000km to keep her stopping. Brake issues are mentioned in lemonaid so I knew brakes were an issue before I bought the car but when I compared it to hondas lack of torque and timing belt or the spec v's japanese special parts and faulty clutch I figured hey brakes are cheap and easy and I don't tailgate and all round it's been a great car that a ton of fun to drive