Forged internals!

[lancebav]

I was just wondering if anyone here has forged internals in there car becuause Im tired of the peddly bolt-on crap....I wanna make real power.... and I know forged is the best you can go.......If so...are they recommended...how much performnce was gained etc... etc...

[LinuxRacr]

Time to use the search feature (if you haven't already). There have been so many of these threads that have popped up, and I have linked so many that there should be plenty out there.

[AutoBox]

i would peddle bolt ons until u can research what forged enternals actually do and the mechanics a lil more....good luck to ya


oh i would do a search on this forum....

[DZnutz]

just take a look at the boys sig... what else needs to be said

[Dexter]

Uhh forged internals wont give you any power gains.

[InsidiousMSP]

Forged internals won't give you any more power (you'll actually have less if you lower compression), but they will allow you to safely make more power. After the rods, pistons, head studs, balance, blueprint, etc... you'll be out atleast $2,500. Then you'll need about $1,500 for engine management, THEN you can buy the parts to make more power. :)

[marashka]

"Ichibahn lighter, shoulder pads, E-brake, JuJeracing E-brake boot... Custom painted engine cover, magnaflow Cat-back exhaust, Injen CAI, Flash" - lancebav sig

get more bolt ons.....you'll see better power.....lighter and shoulder pads although important mods, unfortunately done yeld much torque and HP. try catless d/p, boost gauge, MBC, some spark plugs....etc and you can make decent power even without forged internals.

[Dr.Sound]

hey, does anyone have a link to forged site?
i'm really interested but cant seem to find them.....

[tekkie]

if your looking for internals checkout this buy they have on http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63176&page=1&pp=15

[marashka]

hey, does anyone have a link to forged site?
i'm really interested buy cant seem to find them.....
i knew it !!!!! i fckuing new it...
forged web site RULES....

[Dr.Sound]

LMAO!!!
ok....at least someone got it :D

[EVILSRT]

Forged internals won't give you any more power (you'll actually have less if you lower compression), but they will allow you to safely make more power. After the rods, pistons, head studs, balance, blueprint, etc... you'll be out atleast $2,500. Then you'll need about $1,500 for engine management, THEN you can buy the parts to make more power. :)
Glad to see you didn't sell your car. All the OGs are gone.:(

[Miques]

LMAO!!!
ok....at least someone got it :DI got it! Philly-Orange

[Dr.Sound]

haha ^
that was one of the funniest threads evAr!

phily, lol, it's all good man, we all have said something stupid on here some time or other :)

[HiBoost TS]

Here are a couple of pics.

We should keep them in stock soon.

[Hoeboe2k]

Wow how much power are you trying to run in your car?

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

All the OGs are gone.:(yes... we are all gone... gone and forgotten... hmm... maybe i'm just forgotten...

[Dexter]

I'm about as OG as the come as far as MSP.

[Atreyu]

I was just wondering if anyone here has forged internals in there car becuause Im tired of the peddly bolt-on crap....I wanna make real power.... and I know forged is the best you can go.......If so...are they recommended...how much performnce was gained etc... etc...

Adding forged pistons and rods is like an extra 50 WHP right away! Almost as much as your seatbelt pads!

Too bad you don't want peddly bolt-on crap. it would go good with the peddly rice crap you have in your sig.

If you do install pulleys, call your dealership and have them order you a peddly crap oil pump you are going to need it.

[z00mer]

"Ichibahn lighter, shoulder pads, E-brake, JuJeracing E-brake boot... Custom painted engine cover, magnaflow Cat-back exhaust, Injen CAI, Flash" - lancebav sig


I'm surprised he does'nt have any "APC" or "Type-R" stickers in his sig. Does'nt he know that they give you at least an extra 25 hp. automatically?!(ricer)

[shaolin]

I wonder if he's serious about putting those underdrive pullies on...get ready to seriously off balance your engine.

[lancebav]

All of you guys are fucking retarded!! honestly.... All you guys try to do is make power the cheap way....but in reality without going into the actual engine you cant make serious power gains.....ohh wow you all can laugh at "MY RICE SHIT" I could really care less...... No shit I know intake and exhaust are important thats why I have them.... Plus my FMIC is on the way.... I Just would like to safely push more psi than 12-15 and add nitrous to my system so you can rag all you want but until you actually know anything.... then talk your shit!!!!

[Rich24km]

(sad1)

All of you guys are fucking retarded!! honestly.... All you guys try to do is make power the cheap way....but in reality without going into the actual engine you cant make serious power gains.....ohh wow you all can laugh at "MY RICE SHIT" I could really care less...... No shit I know intake and exhaust are important thats why I have them.... Plus my FMIC is on the way.... I Just would like to safely push more psi than 12-15 and add nitrous to my system so you can rag all you want but until you actually know anything.... then talk your shit!!!!
why do you care what people think...(jerkit)

[DZnutz]

All of you guys are fucking retarded!! honestly.... All you guys try to do is make power the cheap way....but in reality without going into the actual engine you cant make serious power gains.....ohh wow you all can laugh at "MY RICE SHIT" I could really care less...... No shit I know intake and exhaust are important thats why I have them.... Plus my FMIC is on the way.... I Just would like to safely push more psi than 12-15 and add nitrous to my system so you can rag all you want but until you actually know anything.... then talk your shit!!!!
boy are you retarded... 12+psi, nitrous, forged internals and no engine management... i hope your daddy has a big wallet

[Rich24km]

boy are you retarded... 12+psi, nitrous, forged internals and no engine management... i hope your daddy has a big wallet
agreed

['Sploder]

plus doesn't the efficiency of our stock turbo drop off after 15 psi?

I need nawz... two of the big ones... and I need em by tonight...

[mattybo]

All of you guys are fucking retarded!! honestly.... All you guys try to do is make power the cheap way....but in reality without going into the actual engine you cant make serious power gains.....ohh wow you all can laugh at "MY RICE SHIT" I could really care less...... No shit I know intake and exhaust are important thats why I have them.... Plus my FMIC is on the way.... I Just would like to safely push more psi than 12-15 and add nitrous to my system so you can rag all you want but until you actually know anything.... then talk your shit!!!!

wow man, way to make a good impression with the board members. Try a little less shit talking and realize that alot of these guys will provide you with great advice. Not to mention this board is the best source for info out there and you might not want to piss people off....

anyway hows that ichiban lighter working for ya?

[lancebav]

Well no shit!!!....What the fuck do u take me for....would you like me to post every damn modification that has to be done? All Im saying is if you want performance why waste the money on bolt-on parts when if your serious about making power and having a decent 1/4 mile times...... Not to bag on the bolt-on stuff its tested and proven and are great options....My question was .... Has anyone gone forged and actually undergone what it takes to produce really ggod power out of this car?..... Simple question simple answer but instead everyone on here likes to act like they know everything and try to rip people apart..... I just think its stupid!!!! I was curious to see what this car could potentialy be.... and see what someone else has done to it....as in how much Psi theyre running....what kind of engine management they have specs...numbers and so forth! Nd no my daddy doesnt have a big wallet.... everything I do would be funded by me.

['Sploder]

I hear those lighters are nuts... watch out...(boom02)

[lancebav]

No I totally agree with you MATTYBO.... But then again there are the assholes on here as well!!!! I really do appreciate the people who do take the time and help me out...theres been a couple ...I just hate it when they go off on you like you have no idea of what your talking about.... and all you need is a simple answer.

[Rich24km]

hey dude, the best thing you can do before talking shit to ones here, because i'm not going to do it for you, is search the threads. Just as hard as it is for you to do it, it is for us also. Lots of shit has been done and there are atleast 5 MSPs i know of right now that are undergoing the process of producing sick HP #s. No one has talked too much about what they're doing yet other than 505 zoom. DO SOME RESEARCH. I would have gladly done it before you started spraying off shit talking statements......and calling people retarded etc.

Sploder: The nawz thing was hilarious :) haha

[lancebav]

Actually I appreciate you beeing real with me Rich24km.... Thanks for the info about the 5 Msp and I will look in to it.... Thats all the answer I was looking for..... Thanks again

['Sploder]

thanks (friday) <-- best smiley ever. Also as much as I hate to say it yes... searching is key... after that if you still have q's then ask... (politely plz!). O and some of us aren't looking for purely 1/4 mile performance ;)

[HiBoost TS]

Well no shit!!!....What the fuck do u take me for....would you like me to post every damn modification that has to be done? All Im saying is if you want performance why waste the money on bolt-on parts when if your serious about making power and having a decent 1/4 mile times...... Not to bag on the bolt-on stuff its tested and proven and are great options....My question was .... Has anyone gone forged and actually undergone what it takes to produce really ggod power out of this car?..... Simple question simple answer but instead everyone on here likes to act like they know everything and try to rip people apart..... I just think its stupid!!!! I was curious to see what this car could potentialy be.... and see what someone else has done to it....as in how much Psi theyre running....what kind of engine management they have specs...numbers and so forth! Nd no my daddy doesnt have a big wallet.... everything I do would be funded by me.
This is my advice of the mods that should be done to the MSP to get good WHP in order of importance and can be done in steps:

1- FMIC kit
2- Fuel Manegement system
3- Garrett GT28RS turbo
4- Forged rods

I suggest these by experience. Our P5 is making close to 300 WHP with our basic turbo kit, E6X Haltech and Pauter Rods at 20 psi.

[lancebav]

Sweet yeah I was deffinately wanting to upgrade the turbo... and beef up the stock trans to take the load of more HP...... What kind of Fuel Mangement are you running?

[jurgs01]

This is my advice of the mods that should be done to the MSP to get good WHP in order of importance and can be done in steps:

1- FMIC kit
2- Fuel Manegement system
3- Garrett GT28RS turbo
4- Forged rods

I suggest these by experience. Our P5 is making close to 300 WHP with our basic turbo kit, E6X Haltech and Pauter Rods at 20 psi.
Just a couple questions. You suggest a fuel management system, not a complete engine management to include timing. I know timing is key to preventing detonation, but is just getting the proper amount of fuel per psi of boost enough? You only suggest forged rods and not pistons. I know MSPs have had a lot of blown engines are the stock pistons really strong enough to handle that type of PSI with longevity? I know you know a lot more than me on this, and I would hate to waste unecessary money and would like your opinion.

[Atreyu]

Hi boost uses and sells the Haltech E6X standalone EM system.

The reason people ragged on you is that you posted misinformation:

"Peddly crap bolt ons" - A. it's "Piddly" B. They are called supporting Mods, they shore up the cars shortcomings and detunings. Bolt-ons may provide minimal gains but they are essential in a well built car.

"Performance gained from ....forged internals" - They do not inherently add power, like stated earlier you will lose power if decrease compression, which is what you need to do to increase boost safely.

You talked shit in your first post, combine that with the misinformation and the non power adding aftermarket parts you choose to buy instead of "Peddly crap bolt ons" that makes you an easy target.

Try to be more humble in your search for info and you will find TONS and TONS of people and vendors here to help.

[shaolin]

DO NOT put underdrive pullies on your MSP. Do a search. You'll find detrimental results. Also try growing up a little bit. "Peddley" bolt ons are vital before you do any type of internal work, engine management, turbo upgrades etc. I do believe it was YOU who called bolt ons peddley to begin with, and gave the impression that you were planning on going Forged etc, and that bolt ons were a waste of time. If you seriously knew what you were talking about, you would know that "bolt ons" yield impressive gains on any FI car, mainly because bolt ons free up restrictions in the system, which is exponentially more beneficial for FI than NA. Seems that so many ricers like to put bolt ons on their NA honda civics, and are disappointed by the results, that it is now widely believed that bolt ons make no power. Go educate yourself, study the boards, and when you come back to this thread, you'll realize that this entire thread wasn't even necessary.

[Atreyu]

Oh yeah forgot to tell you about pulleys in a none dickhead way as well in case you overlooked my oil pump comment earlier. thanks shaolin!

[Rich24km]

there is a haltech, AEM, standalone......MPI Tuner, and a UNICHIP plug and play piggy back. Search on those first off. You're going to have to have engine management in order to get anywhere first off. Forged rods and pistons are great, but they can even be broken if you get detonation with to much boost. I definately would get them, get the GT28 RS. FMIC, Better Air intake...chose SRI or CAI. Definately a more open exhaust. 3" if you're going to run high boost. 2 1/2" is good if you're doing moderate boost. Discreet speed has a fast MSP do some searching on some of his posts, Tease, 505 zoom, there are more people than them, they're just the more well known MSP pushers. This engine isn't as week as people think to an extent, some have luck some don't. Thats the important part of the Engine management *EMS*. I ran 14psi on race gas no problems, and then went to 93 no probs, and there are several people that have done the same (But there have been people blow they're motor on 10. So thats why EMS is important). Get injectors also once you start getting into high boost. I forget the # for the Duty cycle they run at higher boost but they'll be at 100% once you get up to the 14 15 16 depending. Exhaust cut out is good if you look into that. There are a few diff companys selling FMIC exhaust, CAI, SRI, etc. Look up threads on stalling with BOVs there are ways to fix it. Also get colder running spark plugs there are threads on these also. NGKs and Denso, don't get the BKR7E plugs as recommended alot of people have had problems with these. They are not extended reach plugs like the stock ones. And your gap needs to be from .032-.028 less of a gap the more boost you run. More details on Spark plug threads. There are many threads that beat dead horses on all these things. And check the stickys on parts for MSP. :) There now that you seem to have stopped being silly, I don't mind giving you a direction to look. L8r
EDIT: DON'T GET UNDERDRIVE PULLEYS.

rich

[HiBoost TS]

Just a couple questions. You suggest a fuel management system, not a complete engine management to include timing. I know timing is key to preventing detonation, but is just getting the proper amount of fuel per psi of boost enough? You only suggest forged rods and not pistons. I know MSPs have had a lot of blown engines are the stock pistons really strong enough to handle that type of PSI with longevity? I know you know a lot more than me on this, and I would hate to waste unecessary money and would like your opinion.
I listed the mods that are required to run safely up to 12 psi for good HP. I have customers running up to 240 WHP on their P5 with the F10 on 93 octane. If you want real big HP, then the Engine Management for both fuel and timing is required. I listed just the rods and not pistons as they will stand up to 20 psi of boost. We are running 22 psi on stock pistons. I think that forged pistons are needed when you run real high boost or Nitrous systems.

Also 4 bigger injectors are a must beyond 12 psi of boost.

Juan

[jurgs01]

Thanks for the info.

[mspeedpro]

nice info

[cosmo420]

i eventually plan on a forged internal route myself =, by what i mean is that i plan on buying a junked out good FS motor and slowly build it while driving mine and when its ready ill look into the ecu issues do make it work i know its a long road ahead as well as $$$ but i will be thankful of my engine builder freind of mine by the time its all said and done, but as far as the tranny goes well its that it will go and not long there after so if there is any tranny builders by the means of an auto with a stall i would rather go with that setup if there isnt then we'll see what we can come up with and hopefully it will all work out

[z00mer]

If you also want to find more info on forged internals.....do a search on the Tri-point racing Proteges.

(jacked)

jurgs01- How's that DGM ram hood doing you? I was seriously thinking about getting that hood and making an actual functional system using the stock air box.

[Black Majik MSP]

DO NOT put underdrive pullies on your MSP. Do a search. You'll find detrimental results. Also try growing up a little bit. "Peddley" bolt ons are vital before you do any type of internal work, engine management, turbo upgrades etc. I do believe it was YOU who called bolt ons peddley to begin with, and gave the impression that you were planning on going Forged etc, and that bolt ons were a waste of time. If you seriously knew what you were talking about, you would know that "bolt ons" yield impressive gains on any FI car, mainly because bolt ons free up restrictions in the system, which is exponentially more beneficial for FI than NA. Seems that so many ricers like to put bolt ons on their NA honda civics, and are disappointed by the results, that it is now widely believed that bolt ons make no power. Go educate yourself, study the boards, and when you come back to this thread, you'll realize that this entire thread wasn't even necessary.(mswerd) I don't think anyone can say it better than this. Try searching next time (aka doing the work yourself instead of being a dick & expecting other people to do it for you) or take a look at the modder's guide & other stickied threads (where people were nice enough to do the work for you anyway).