Wagner 2.0 N/A Header Installed!

[viVid]

That's right, I just got done installing it after just receiving it today (I couldn't wait any longer!). Installation was a breeze, took less time than I thought (less than an hour). I didn't have ANY fitment issues... I don't know if I was just lucky, it was my turn for something to go right, or it that well built :)

On my first run I definitlely noticed some better top-end power and it seems smoother. I'm sure it will take a few days before the ECU gets reaquanted with its new self, and I should see maximum gains then.

Here are a few tips to make your installation easier:

1) Let the engine cool down (braindead
2) Use WD-40 liberally on all the nuts/bolts.
3) Remove the bolt that holds the EGR tube to the engine block.
4) There are two brackets under the car that hold the precat/downpipe in place. You will need to remove these to gain enough clearance to remove the manifold.
5) Don't tighten down ANY bolts until the EGR is hooked up and tight.

That's about it. Oh, and here's some pics. The last two are of the stock manifold in case you have not seen one :)

http://martinj2.dns2go.com/images/HInstall1.JPG

http://martinj2.dns2go.com/images/HInstall2.JPG

http://martinj2.dns2go.com/images/StockMan1.JPG

http://martinj2.dns2go.com/images/StockMan2.JPG

[tonkabui]

make sure you torque down the manifold bolts to no more than 14-18 pounds. looks nice. welds look a little unfinished, but overall, much cleaner engine bay. congrats!

[scorch70]

make sure you torque down the manifold bolts to no more than 14-18 pounds. looks nice. welds look a little unfinished, but overall, much cleaner engine bay. congrats! ^^^What he said about torque on the bolts. I did mine without a torque wrench, then went back to redo them, and pieces of the threads came out with the bolt because I had tightened them down waaaaay too tight. I probably put 40-50 pounds on them. :( Holding so far.

EDIT: Header look very nice. Looks like they leave a lot more room than my AWR.


live and learn the hard way,
scorch70

[kid prodigy]

Wow, very nice. Now I want one :)

[P54DRIDE]

Okay so 14-18 pounds is the best to use to torque down the bolts?

[Protege_Speed]

Did you have to get the header flange that wagner sells?

[03ProES]

The flange they sell is for people wanting to built there own custom header or turbo manifold. These headers are prebuilt using that flange. (the flange is the flat part that bolts to the block)
I can't wait for mine to come in, I also got the downpipe w/o cat!

[kid prodigy]

Im a noob so I just wanted to know whats the difference with the downpipe w/ and w/o the cat ?

[Subghetto]

That's right, I just got done installing it after just receiving it today (I couldn't wait any longer!). Installation was a breeze, took less time than I thought (less than an hour). I didn't have ANY fitment issues... I don't know if I was just lucky, it was my turn for something to go right, or it that well built :) viVid what are the size of the nuts and bolts and any other hardware that is required??? you did replace all the stock rusted nuts and bolts right? Also did you replace the studs??? Another question did you buy a new gasket or did the header come with one?? Also what are the sizes for the ones for the stock exhaust manifold that bolt on to the stock pre-cat?Now about the studs? how are they? are they sticking out or bolted in. My cousin said that they are hard as hell to replace on his car because you need a special tool or something and that it sucks if you break a stud off. I'am not sure how they are on the P5?? Anyone also know the size for the bolts and nuts I want to replace as much as the stock hardware as I can since it's really rusted to shit and want everything brand new since I'am getting a new header. Thanks


The flange they sell is for people wanting to built there own custom header or turbo manifold. These headers are prebuilt using that flange. (the flange is the flat part that bolts to the block)
I can't wait for mine to come in, I also got the downpipe w/o cat!Me too(attn) 03ProES you order your header at the GB over at protegeclub right? Anyway I can't wait to install this bad boy when it comes in and then I will order the mid-pipe w/o a cat and later save up for a hi-flow pre-cat N/A down-pipe I can't wait.


Im a noob so I just wanted to know whats the difference with the downpipe w/ and w/o the cat ?The difference is that one is for people who car about emissons the other one is for people who don't care. Either way this piece goes right after the wagner header which can then go to the wanger mid-pipe if you want to complete the whole wanger exhaust system set-up like I do.

[03ProES]

The stock downpipe has one of the catalytic converters built into it, you can order the Wagner piece with or without it. I opted to eliminate the first, and keep the second cat that's in the midpipe. If you have emissions testing wherever you are, you'll need to keep both of them more than likely.

Subghetto, yeah, I ordered mine over there as well.

[kid prodigy]

How much is the full set up (headers, downpipe, etc.) ?? I have emissions here so that means I need the cat right ?

[viVid]

I'm not sure what size the bolts/nuts are... the head size it 12mm, but that doesn't really help you. I did not replace them because mine looked almost new and came off very easy. Surprising considering my car is almost 3 years old!

The header did not come with any gaskets. I had a manifold-to-head gasket back from when I was originally going to get an AWR. There is also a gasket that goes between the manifold and precat. I reused the same one and so far it is holding up fine.

The studs should be easy enough to replace. I had to replace the intake manifold studs with longer ones when I put my spacers in. Piece of cake if you use the jamb nut method.


viVid what are the size of the nuts and bolts and any other hardware that is required??? you did replace all the stock rusted nuts and bolts right? Also did you replace the studs??? Another question did you buy a new gasket or did the header come with one?? Also what are the sizes for the ones for the stock exhaust manifold that bolt on to the stock pre-cat?Now about the studs? how are they? are they sticking out or bolted in. My cousin said that they are hard as hell to replace on his car because you need a special tool or something and that it sucks if you break a stud off. I'am not sure how they are on the P5?? Anyone also know the size for the bolts and nuts I want to replace as much as the stock hardware as I can since it's really rusted to shit and want everything brand new since I'am getting a new header. Thanks

[Subghetto]

How much is the full set up (headers, downpipe, etc.) ?? I have emissions here so that means I need the cat right ?Mild Steel Header-$185
Stain-less Steel Header-$285
SS downpipe with cat-$300
SS downpipe without cat- $175
SS Mid-pipe with cat-$300
SS Mid-pipe without cat-$175

Yeah for emissions I would at least retain 1 cat so that you might be able to pass as a LEV.

[kid prodigy]

So I'm looking at $1000. Maybe I should start saving for the headers first and the rest later.

[Subghetto]

So I'm looking at $1000. Maybe I should start saving for the headers first and the rest later.Yeah I personally did that over time is not that bad.

This is my future set-up Wanger SS header-----> Wagner Hi-flow Pre-cat Downpipe-----> Wagner Mid-pipe w/o cat------> HKS axle back

I already have the hks axle back and ordered the header so all I need is the mid-pipe and the downpipe it's worth the money considering all the pieces are made in high grade SS and come with the best cats on the market not to mention you have the option of staying legal and still making as much power as those that run cat-less. Another thing is that these pieces are all manderl bent which most custom shops won't do unless they are really into high performance.

Btw... $1000 might sound like a lot but that's in one shot but over time it's nothing I've already spent $2,500 on my mods and the tab keeps adding up just don't thing about it lol because then you will go crazy (eekdance)

[kid prodigy]

Would it be a waste if i got both cats, or would that be better for me cause of emissions ?

[viVid]

You would need both to remain fully emissions compliant. If your state does not do visual inspections, you could get away with one cat... it will still pass.


Would it be a waste if i got both cats, or would that be better for me cause of emissions ?

[Subghetto]

Would it be a waste if i got both cats, or would that be better for me cause of emissions ?Shit bro you live in cali they have strong emissions compliance laws over there I think you will need both cats there. Here in NY you can get away with running 1 cat and be classified as a (LEV) Low Emissions vehicle and will still pass you but in cali it's serious just to make sure check out the laws that is what I will be doing as well because I'am not 100% sure either.

[sidpro5]

Well, viVid, what about performance and sound? I see you're running the Racing Beat, also. How does this header affect the exhaust note?

[ogsp5]

Hey vivid that is a sweet set up. Hopefully the combo that I ordered will be hear soon.(Header,Down pipe without cat and mid pipe with cat plus a few extras)

[viVid]

I will report back later today after I get some driving in... on my test run the exhaust did not sound any louder. I felt more power up top, definitely smoother. I'll pay more attention to the exhaust note to see if it has changed any.


Well, viVid, what about performance and sound? I see you're running the Racing Beat, also. How does this header affect the exhaust note?

[viVid]

Sounds pretty sweet. Is that all Wagner? How much was the catless DP?


Hey vivid that is a sweet set up. Hopefully the combo that I ordered will be hear soon.(Header,Down pipe without cat and mid pipe with cat plus a few extras)

[fkmp5]

vivid: you're setup looks awesome. i can't wait to get mine. thanks for the post to give me a heads up. when it arrives, i'll be sure to install it ASAP!!

[ogsp5]

The down-pipe was $185. All ordered from Andy.

[ogsp5]

Got a comfirmation call from Andy today. All parts are being made !

[sidpro5]

Got a comfirmation call from Andy today. All parts are being made !
As did I. My order is indeed processed, and should should ship at the end of the week.

[Protege_Speed]

How did you guys do that? I made a order with Nick about two weeks ago before the whole fiasco happened and my credit card was already charged but I received no confirmation or receipt. This was no small order either. I've been emailing and phoning Andy but I have not been able to reach him. What is your secret? How do I reach him and should I be worried? Did you get some sort of receipt by email? Thanks.




Got a comfirmation call from Andy today. All parts are being made !

[fkmp5]

hey guys glad to hear Andy is still taking care of us!! it was nice of him to keep in touch...

[Subghetto]

fkmp5

Do you know if the mid-pipe will fit the hks axle-back? I want to buy it but I want to make sure it bolts-right up. and since I see you have the hks axle-back I was curious if you were going to get the mid-pipe?

[ZG77_OzZ]

what is wangers web site
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[Subghetto]

what is wangers web site
http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/

[ogsp5]

hey Sub, the mid pipe is made of 2 1/2 S.S you might want to check the dia of the HKS!

[ZG77_OzZ]

Yeah I personally did that over time is not that bad.

This is my future set-up Wanger SS header-----> Wagner Hi-flow Pre-cat Downpipe-----> Wagner Mid-pipe w/o cat------> HKS axle back

I already have the hks axle back and ordered the header so all I need is the mid-pipe and the downpipe it's worth the money considering all the pieces are made in high grade SS and come with the best cats on the market not to mention you have the option of staying legal and still making as much power as those that run cat-less. Another thing is that these pieces are all manderl bent which most custom shops won't do unless they are really into high performance.

Btw... $1000 might sound like a lot but that's in one shot but over time it's nothing I've already spent $2,500 on my mods and the tab keeps adding up just don't thing about it lol because then you will go crazy (eekdance)


Were are theses parts you are talking about on his website?

Here s the question how much gain did you get from it?

[p5sundevil]

can't wait for mine to come in, I also got the downpipe w/o cat!sorry I am stumbling into this thread a little late but I have a question about the above quote. you got a shorty header that would bolt to the primary cat, the assumed reason behind this was to stay emissions legal and yet get gains out of a better flowing exhaust manifold. But then the second half of the sentance states your getting a downpipe without a cat. so basically you wont be emissions legal and kinda killed the point of getting a shorty header no?

I mean otherwise for less money than you spent total on the two peices you could have gotten a 4-1(which is essentially what you will have with the 2 piece setup) or a 4-2-1 header that would have done the same wthing with the same or better gains and for less money....

maybe im just not getting it.

also does anyone know if there is a dyno scan or thread somewhere showing when they got a 7whp gain with that header.

[viVid]

I figure he meant mid-pipe, but then again, why bother with the shorty if you're removing any cat... kinda kills the emissions legal thing either way.


sorry I am stumbling into this thread a little late but I have a question about the above quote. you got a shorty header that would bolt to the primary cat, the assumed reason behind this was to stay emissions legal and yet get gains out of a better flowing exhaust manifold. But then the second half of the sentance states your getting a downpipe without a cat. so basically you wont be emissions legal and kinda killed the point of getting a shorty header no?

I mean otherwise for less money than you spent total on the two peices you could have gotten a 4-1(which is essentially what you will have with the 2 piece setup) or a 4-2-1 header that would have done the same wthing with the same or better gains and for less money....

maybe im just not getting it.

also does anyone know if there is a dyno scan or thread somewhere showing when they got a 7whp gain with that header.

[sidpro5]

How did you guys do that? I made a order with Nick about two weeks ago before the whole fiasco happened and my credit card was already charged but I received no confirmation or receipt. This was no small order either. I've been emailing and phoning Andy but I have not been able to reach him. What is your secret? How do I reach him and should I be worried? Did you get some sort of receipt by email? Thanks.
Just gotta bug the shit out of him. E-mails, voice mails, call after call.
The only confirmation I rec'd (before Monday) was from Nick saying HE got my order and was processing it himself. And that was after two weeks of nagging e-mails.
Just keep in mind, he just recently opened the shop, and is hiring two new guys to help out, as he is now by himself.
Good luck.

[Subghetto]

hey Sub, the mid pipe is made of 2 1/2 S.S you might want to check the dia of the HKS!Yeah the wagner is 63.5mm and the HKS is 55mm so there is a 8.5mm difference is that a big deal? I'am just curious if you have a stock P5 and you bought the wagner mid-pipe would'nt it just bolt-on to the stock axle part of the exhaust?




Were are theses parts you are talking about on his website?These are the parts I'am talking about

Downpipe- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/projects.php?pid=18

Mid-pipe- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/productDetails.php?id=12

Header- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/projects.php?pid=38

You have to look under projects to find the pieces but they are for sale.


Here s the question how much gain did you get from it?Well they dynoed that shorty header at 7hp and the HKS axle-back was dynoed in turbo magazine making 5.7hp so with the mid-pipe and down-pipe I'am hoping to get decent gains considering I already have a Injen CAI and UR underdrive pulley.

[ZG77_OzZ]

Yeah the wagner is 63.5mm and the HKS is 55mm so there is a 8.5mm difference is that a big deal? I'am just curious if you have a stock P5 and you bought the wagner mid-pipe would'nt it just bolt to the stock axle part of the exhaust?



These are the parts I'am talking about

Downpipe- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/projects.php?pid=18

Mid-pipe- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/productDetails.php?id=12

Header- http://www.wagnermotorsports.net/projects.php?pid=38

You have to look under projects to find the pieces but they are for sale.

Well they dynoed that shorty header at 7hp and the HKS axle-back was dynoed in turbo magazine making 5.7hp so with the mid-pipe and down-pipe I'am hoping to get decent gains considering I already have a Injen CAI and UR underdrive pulley.

Stick or auto in your car?

[Subghetto]

Stick or auto in your car?
Auto (sad2)

[p5sundevil]

ok so after your explanation of parts i go back to my original question, you got a shorty header to stay emissions legal and your thinking of the DP without a cat? that kinda defeats the purpose of getting a shorty header no?

Now if your getting the DP with a CAT that makes sense. That I would get his midpipe with just the resinator and no cat, or 2 resonators....no need for 2 cats when going aftermarket. and at that point if all the piping is bigger than your HKS you can either have it cut and have 2.5 piping welded to the can or get a 2.5 axle back to replace it.

[Subghetto]

Now if your getting the DP with a CAT that makes sense. That I would get his midpipe with just the resinator and no cat, or 2 resonators....no need for 2 cats when going aftermarket. and at that point if all the piping is bigger than your HKS you can either have it cut and have 2.5 piping welded to the can or get a 2.5 axle back to replace it.I plan to do exactly what you mentioned. But was'nt the wagner mid-pipe intended to bolt-on to the stock axle-back??

[p5sundevil]

yes, and im not saying it wont work, cause it will, im just saying if you were trying to keep the same diameter piping all the way back, and that on the HKS is smaller you could always keep the muffler and just replace the piping, should be pretty cheap at a local shop since they are taking off as much piping as they are puting on, just different ID.

edit also, when you get done with the DP and are getting the midpipe let us know how much the quote is for his midpipe without the cat...

[fkmp5]

hey guys, i got my wagner header installed too. looks great. i just did it this morning so i'm not ready to speak on any gains, etc. i plan to run my car at the track this friday, so we'll see how it goes.

anyway, i wish i would have found this thread sooner.. i torqued my manifold bolts down too hard and broke one of them. it's the one on the top left (see attached pic).. it's going to need to be drilled out now :(

does anyone have any suggestions on drilling it out? do you think i could drill into it with an easy out then back it out?? i've never had to deal with this before..

here are the pics (1 of the broken bolt and 1 of the header after taking it out for a 10 min fun run)..

[mp5smuggler]

yea coping me huh frank.... youll get 7 to 8 whp fromt he header. its kina scary we now basicaly have the same car yours in silver mine in white

[fkmp5]

yea coping me huh frank.... youll get 7 to 8 whp fromt he header. its kina scary we now basicaly have the same car yours in silver mine in white
(lol) we are twin P5s.. haha. oh well, except i've got the broken bolt :(

[mp5smuggler]

its ok i have 2 broken bolts on the precat so its all good.