which one is better the ion fmic or the new high boost ??

[spike blue]

Which one is better in performance and price?? any suggestions thanks.

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - well the main differences are as follows: (you can decide which is better suited for your purposes).

(1) Our stage 1 FMIC kit uses the largest core that will fit under the stock bumper beam. 24"x6"x3.5"
(2) Our piping is the most direct route (shortest distance between turbo & throttle body).
(3) Our piping is made of T304SS vs. Chrome plated mild steel.
(4) Have proven power loss prevention results, and has been tested independantly by Turbo Magazine.
(5) Our set-up is designed to work with the stock airbox, our CAI or the Injen. It's also designed to work with the OEM BPV or any other universal replacement BPV.
(6) Our set-up allows the use of a larger radiator (ie: OEM P5 or aftermarket P5) for further cooling capabilities.
(7) Our set-up requires some minor cutting to non-structural/load bearing points of the vehicle.
(8) Our member discounted price is $925US + shipping for payment via MO.

[shaolin]

Does anyone know the specs of the hiboost kit as compared to the ion?

[Bhamsan]

HiBoost involves no cutting, and uses an HKS BOV, and is less expensive.

[ICEMAN.2]

Can i use my stock airbox with the ION FMIC (for the winter)
I know that the HIBOOST cannot be fit with the stock airbox

[iON Performance]

ICEMAN.2 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6664) - Yes :) our system is designed to use the stock airbox, our CAI or any other ones like the Injen as well.

[ICEMAN.2]

Jack

still scratching my head to decide witch hood i will order ;)
plain or v weave !!!

[hello2000]

1) HiBoost FMIC dimensions is 22 W x 6.5 H x 2.5 Thick
2) HiBoost FMIC hasn't been out long enough for Turbo Magazine to test it.
3) HiBoost's comes with a HKS BOV
4) Many members already have a different CAI (Injen, AEM, etc.) than the stock air box.
5) HiBoost FMIC requires NO CUTTING!
6) HiBoost FMIC is only $900

I think they are both great FMIC's, so whichever you choose will be fine. I am going to get the HiBoost FMIC.

[mazdaspeed75]

Ion fmic is great. Ive had no complaints what so ever . Install was not to difficult and there was minal cutting done wioth a rotozip. I also used a dremel seem to work better . Ions product is very good. Now i need the exhaust !!!! But baby on the way. Dang Jack lower the price Pretty please !!!! HAHAHAHAHH

[CanSPD]

I wish I could get a hold of both to do some performance testing. I am a test engineer and specialize in testing heat exchangers. I could provide a final result to which one puts out the best performance based on pressure drop and temp drop. but i do not have the cash to buy either one (yet).

[srtchick]

ION needs to get there site up & running already !!(boom01)

[spike blue]

ICEMAN.2 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6664) - Yes :) our system is designed to use the stock airbox, our CAI or any other ones like the Injen as well.
does the aem cai work with your fmic??? how much will be everythink???

[MSPDetroit]

I just came from my local import shop, guy who owns it is my brothers fraternity brother. Anywayz... he checked out my ride to see what he could do and he suggested on doing a custom fmic and hard pipe kit. he didn't really give me a set price, he just said name my budget and we'll go from there. he suggested on going w/ a spearco intercooler. as far as exhaust, he told me 2.5 is more than sufficient for our car. what do you all think??

[iON Performance]

ICEMAN.2 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6664) - either one will drop that front end weight.. if you want something more unique the V-weave would be better :)

CanSPD (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7716)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_951725", true); </SCRIPT> - FYI, if you'd like some of our emperical test data drop us an email. BTW, pressure drop for our core is less then 0.1psi. The whole system has less pressure drop then the stock set-up.

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - yes our set-up will work with the AEM CAI. We can't tell you how much it will be in total, b/c we don't sell AEM, we make our own stuff. Drop us an email -> info@ionperformance.com if you'd like more info.

[KyRaceFan]

IOn, who makes the core for your ic?

Whats the cost of the core alone?

[iON Performance]

KyRaceFan (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=4658) - our core is a custom made core from Japan, metalurgy is different then the Spearcos, which allows for more efficient internal design to minimize pressure drop and/turbulance. We do not sell the cores alone.

[KyRaceFan]

Where can i buy one then? :)

[spike blue]

ICEMAN.2 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6664) - either one will drop that front end weight.. if you want something more unique the V-weave would be better :)

CanSPD (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7716)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_951725", true); </SCRIPT> - FYI, if you'd like some of our emperical test data drop us an email. BTW, pressure drop for our core is less then 0.1psi. The whole system has less pressure drop then the stock set-up.

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - yes our set-up will work with the AEM CAI. We can't tell you how much it will be in total, b/c we don't sell AEM, we make our own stuff. Drop us an email -> info@ionperformance.com if you'd like more info.
ion i have the aem cai i will need the price for the fmic?? will include the bov if so which one???

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - the cost of the stage 1 FMIC kit shippe to you for payment via MO is $995US. For CC via paypal it is $1064.65US shipped. (This is w/ the member discount).

Our system does not use a BOV, it uses the stock BPV or any BPV upgrade like the TXS RBV-25. Your car will not run properly w/o engine management using a BOV vented to atmosphere. The stock BPV is sufficient up to 10psi boost. If you plan on going w/ more boost, you can upgrade to a factory Porsche Bosch BPV or a TXS RBV-25.

[iON Performance]

KyRaceFan (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=4658) - will you be cutting your bumper beam/re-bar?? Or are you going to try your hand at making your own I/C?

[msp4you]

Anyone have pics of the Hi Boost FMIC? Does it sit off center as well ? I'm looking at purchasing a FMIC right now but I think I'm going to wait for the Perrin one. No cutting and they give you a new front bumper support.

[iON Performance]

msp4you (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7225) - FYI, any aftermarket front bumper beam/support is not DOT compliant. If you get into an at-fault accident, your insurance company may not cover you since that safety piece must be OE.

[jrodhotrod]

I can vouch for Jack's products too. I love my FMIC and Exhaust! Top notch and top quality products! And I don't hesitate to recommend them.

As far as which is better, you just have to look at the specs pros/cons and make up your own mind. Both are good kits. I have seen Juan's products in person as well and they are also high quality pieces. For me I loved the pipe routing, ability to use the stock bpv, ability to upgrade the factory radiator (I did - awr high performance :D ) and Jack's overall product quality.

Just think about what you want to do and decide what works best for you.

[DiscreetSpeed]

I can vouch for Jack's products too. I love my FMIC and Exhaust! Top notch and top quality products! And I don't hesitate to recommend them.

As far as which is better, you just have to look at the specs pros/cons and make up your own mind. Both are good kits. I have seen Juan's products in person as well and they are also high quality pieces. For me I loved the pipe routing, ability to use the stock bpv, ability to upgrade the factory radiator (I did - awr high performance :D ) and Jack's overall product quality.

Just think about what you want to do and decide what works best for you.
(mswerd)and theyre customer service is great.

[shaolin]

Our system does not use a BOV, it uses the stock BPV or any BPV upgrade like the TXS RBV-25. Your car will not run properly w/o engine management using a BOV vented to atmosphere. The stock BPV is sufficient up to 10psi boost. If you plan on going w/ more boost, you can upgrade to a factory Porsche Bosch BPV or a TXS RBV-25.
So do you mean to say that if I purchased a BOV or even the hiboost kit that comes with it, then I'd need to get engine management? What about running the dual setup? I'm getting kinda confused...(boom02)

[DiscreetSpeed]

So do you mean to say that if I purchased a BOV or even the hiboost kit that comes with it, then I'd need to get engine management? What about running the dual setup? I'm getting kinda confused...(boom02)from the thread of the hiboost fmic...it comes with the old stlye hks RECIRCULATING BOV....if you are gonna run an open bov youll need the dual bov/bpv or engine management on either set-up...
so just to set things straight here about bov's....it comes with a recirculating one.

[msp4you]

Just as an FYI for everyone, I called Perrin today. I was told two things were to be out by the end of this month:
Turbo Back Exhaust 3"
FMIC

I was also told that RETAIL these are going to be sold at:
Turbo Back Exhaust 3" - $749
FMIC (Complete including Bumper Support) $1399

Look for the prices to be cheaper at dealers as what dealers really sell @ MSRP?

BTW, YES I DID TYPE "TURBO BACK" Call Perrin with your questions, this is all that I was told.

[kNOWfREED0m]

apex got a new intercooler core for the MSP http://www.apexr1.com/amsuninas.html AMS universal core, you could buy that and have a shop fab. you some piping ands its only 325$. Me personally im still debating on ION vs. HIBoost... I've read every single piece of info about both their probust and im still stuck... i want the FMIC, with a recerclatory bov/bpv, no cutting and i want to eb able to boost to about 12 psi.. so it looks like HIboost is ahead... SOMEONE SWAY ME!

[Pkay]

I guess for the price Ion has to oversell their product

boost it is

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

i like the bigger core on the iON. i don't like the fact you have to cut.

hi boost is nice. no cutting, but smaller core.

i see value in both, i would have ordered one of them by now, but i'm waiting for the greddy and perrin. we shall see... greddy release is slated for this summer, so a month or 2.

[spike blue]

i like the bigger core on the iON. i don't like the fact you have to cut.

hi boost is nice. no cutting, but smaller core.

i see value in both, i would have ordered one of them by now, but i'm waiting for the greddy and perrin. we shall see... greddy release is slated for this summer, so a month or 2.

its greedy going to release a fmic for our msp??? That will be the one that im going to get if they do release it!!! What abaut hks??

[low_psi]

its greedy going to release a fmic for our msp??? That will be the one that im going to get if they do release it!!! What abaut hks??
greddy says they'll release one this summer. hks wouldn't touch a msp with a 20ft pole.

[HiBoost TS]

Our kit comes with a Spearco core that will support over 350WHP. Any larger unit is oversized for the output of the FS engine. The Intercooler has been proven by many people in our powerful P5 kit producing over 270WHP.

The end tanks are cast aluminum for good flow and better looks and all piping is mandrel bent with no wrinkles and as smooth as posible with no welds and beading to prevent the hoses from coming loose.

It includes a HKS recirculatory BOV, so there is no need for fuel management and the HKS SSQV can be bolt it right on the flange.

It is designed to keep the piping as far away as posible from the exhaust manifold.

Here are some pictures of the kit installed.

[ONRAILS]

Our kit comes with a Spearco core that will support over 350WHP. Any larger unit is oversized for the output of the FS engine. The Intercooler has been proven by many people in our powerful P5 kit producing over 270WHP.

The end tanks are cast aluminum for good flow and better looks and all piping is mandrel bent with no wrinkles and as smooth as posible with no welds and beading to prevent the hoses from coming loose.

It includes a HKS recirculatory BOV, so there is no need for fuel management and the HKS SSQV can be bolt it right on the flange.

It is designed to keep the piping as far away as posible from the exhaust manifold.

Here are some pictures of the kit installed.
Hey... I have a question. I want to keep the forge bpv that I have. how much of a hassle (cost) would it be for a fmic that will let me use my bpv in the stock setup manner? I would also like black instead of polished. I am very close to deciding on a setup, so if you work with me, you have my business.

[mattybo]

What is this about engine management if you run a vented BOV? Tons of people are running type-s BOV's that are vented without using engine management. Just requires a bit of tuning on the BOV. There is a thread somewhere about tuning your type-s to run smoothly while vented.

/me confused

[tracknfield423]

i think i'm going with the hi boost kit. i really like how it looks and the fact that there is no cutting involved. also i like the BOV and the setup. my only question for you guys is should i leave the stock grille in when i get the FMIC or should i take it out. if i take it out should i put in WW mesh or just leave it open?

[HiBoost TS]

What is this about engine management if you run a vented BOV? Tons of people are running type-s BOV's that are vented without using engine management. Just requires a bit of tuning on the BOV. There is a thread somewhere about tuning your type-s to run smoothly while vented.

/me confused
I know, we have used some SSQV vented and it works fine, but someone was talking about the setup needing to run a fuel management system if a vented valve was used.

[mattybo]

I know, we have used some SSQV vented and it works fine, but someone was talking about the setup needing to run a fuel management system if a vented valve was used.

Vented valve? Still a little confused, why would anyone ever use a vented valve?

[HiBoost TS]

i think i'm going with the hi boost kit. i really like how it looks and the fact that there is no cutting involved. also i like the BOV and the setup. my only question for you guys is should i leave the stock grille in when i get the FMIC or should i take it out. if i take it out should i put in WW mesh or just leave it open?
Here is the difference...

[tracknfield423]

thanks hi boost, this is going to be a hard decision whether to leave the grille in or not. any input guys i'd appreciate it

[mattybo]

thanks hi boost, this is going to be a hard decision whether to leave the grille in or not. any input guys i'd appreciate it

I would definitely leave it in if i were you. It helps keep debris from hitting your IC. If something large enough hits your front end, it could damage the IC. Not to say the plastic grill will provide the best protection, but it is better than having none at all.

[tracknfield423]

how much will it interfere(sp) with the air flow tho???

[SoniCraze]

My question...

The ION has a more direct route from the turbo to the i/c..as direct as you can really get.

The hiBoost follows a different path around the i/c adding a few feet of pipe.

DOes this make a difference?

Please both ion and hiboost comment on your product.

[goku4658]

So Ion's kit will allow me to keep my Forge BOV? What about the Hiboost kit?

[mattybo]

how much will it interfere(sp) with the air flow tho???

I dont think it would affect airflow at all really.

[Notorious_V.I.C]

The ION has a more direct route from the turbo to the i/c..as direct as you can really get.

The hiBoost follows a different path around the i/c adding a few feet of pipe.

DOes this make a difference?

Please both ion and hiboost comment on your product.

Bump.... Plus ION can u get a picture of the front of the car showing the FMIC like Hiboosts...thanks

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064)- the one major difference in material for the piping (ours stainless steel vs. the chrome plated mild steel) is that the charge is insulated better from the engine bay heat compared to the chrome plated mild steel which will transfer heat.

SoniCraze - From emperical testing, we found that the longer the piping route, the more lag there was. That's the reason why we went this route. Also, since we design things with function over form in mind, cutting two points which are non-load/stress bearing does not affect the chassis - so it really was a no brainer. Especially since it allows the flexibility to upgrade to a larger capacity radiator which is highly beneficial in high rpm, long duration situations like road racing.

goku4658 - if your Forge BPV/BOV is designed to replace your stock BPV, then yes. Otherwise, if it requires a flange, then you can have that welded on locally.

Notorious_V.I.C - Here's a pic ->
http://www.ionperformance.com/Mazda/MSP/FMIC/fmicbfg.jpg

[SoniCraze]

ION would have my sell. JUST CARRY THEM IN STOCK MAN!!! :P

[tracknfield423]

i like both FMICs and they both probably perform well and yeild good gains. personally i'm going with the hi boost for the fact that i don't have to cut anything. even tho it is not weight bareing(sp) i don't like the fact i have to cut into the body.

hi boost- how long will you have these in stock? i probably won't have the cash for a few weeks since i'm buying jersey_emts spool cat-back and apex's downpipe next week.

[spike blue]

Here is the difference...
how much will be the whole fmic kit with the hks bov?? with the shipping. and how many horsepower at the wheels will be gain?? if i want the greedy bov i can put it with your fmic?? thanks im really insteresting

[DigitalHeadShot]

I 2nd spikes question...
I want to weight out the cost of both products *ion vs hi boost* and gain. Which is BEST BANG for $..

thanx

[DiscreetSpeed]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/CitizenPro/HPIM0715.jpg
NUFF SAID(smoke)

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Whoa!..Is that a custom FMIC...??

[jrodhotrod]

Whoa!..Is that a custom FMIC...??
That looks like the ION to me. :D

[jurgs01]

Ion has my vote. SS piping is underestimated. Heat loss is under rated. What is the point of cooling the air if it's going to transfer out (and piping rusting from the inside out). I believe Ion comes with a bigger core if I'm not mistaken. I'd say for show get Hiboost, and for flat out performance and longevity get Ion. I don't like the fact that you have to cut with Ion, but the other factors outweight that downside.

Sean

[EvilMSP]

I have a few questions that I hope High Boost see's cause I think other people have asked this too.

1. Just to make sure this will fit just fine with Injen Cai correct? Pretty sure I saw one in a pic but I just wanna ask.

2. Is it possible to get this kit in a black finish like the Injen comes in? I know myself and a few people have this as opposed to the polished metal one and it would be nice to have everything match.

3. Jack keeps mentioning that the Ion intercooler has extra room for a future upgraded radiotor. Is there anything in your kit that would make a future radiator upgrade not possible?

-Thanks

Also I thinks it's very obvious there is no "best." They are both great products from good companies and they will both rock.

Personally I am going to save for the High Boost set cause there is no cutting, includes a new bov, is plenty big for what I want to do, and they have their whole P5 project that is very impressive. That is the direction I want to go in and they have already done it. The Ion of course kicks ass too. But there's cutting invilved which I doubt I can pull off and it costs more. This is just my opinion though.

[DiscreetSpeed]

Whoa!..Is that a custom FMIC...??this is the ion ladies and germs(headbang)

[1FASTMP5]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/1FASTMP5/Mazdaspeed%20%20Mike1.jpg

here's another pic of the hi-boost fmic! hope you like

[pip7441622]

From looking at Discreet's car in person, one of the sections of pipe (intercooler to turbo I think) looks to be really small in diamater...like 2", maybe even less. Just something I noticed.

[iON Performance]

pip7441622 (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=7121)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_968419", true); </SCRIPT> -piping diameter on the cold side of the turbo to the I/C is variable diameter, same with the I/C to TB sections.

[DiscreetSpeed]

bigger isnt always better

[Notorious_V.I.C]

bigger isnt always betterI agree, An example between FMIC vs. SMIC.
Kind of like sucking through a straw. FMIC, its bigger and u need to suck harder to get more. SMIC its smaller and easier for the enigne to suck air. As oppsed to FMIC weres the eninge has to try harder to get more air.
COrrect me if i'm wrong

Since there is only one SMIC out and is too damn expensive, i'm tirned to look more towards a FMIC.

[HiBoost TS]

I agree, An example between FMIC vs. SMIC.
Kind of like sucking through a straw. FMIC, its bigger and u need to suck harder to get more. SMIC its smaller and easier for the enigne to suck air. As oppsed to FMIC weres the eninge has to try harder to get more air.
COrrect me if i'm wrong

Since there is only one SMIC out and is too damn expensive, i'm tirned to look more towards a FMIC.
That is not true. The stock SMIC is very restrictive and the core we use is very, very efficient. You can see from side to side if you were to look thru the core. Also the wrinkles on the plastic charge pipes from the MSP make too much turbulence as opossed to the smooth steel pipes. In fact, with our FMIC the boost comes earlier and stronger.

[iON Performance]

Notorious_V.I.C (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6020)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_970971", true); </SCRIPT> - DiscreetSpeed (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=4542) was referring to piping diameter, not the core.

[EvilMSP]

Hi boost please look up a few posts to my other thread and answer any questions you can please (attn)

[Notorious_V.I.C]

Oh, sorry Thanks for clearing that up IOn and HiBoost TS. didn't know.
Some-what of a thread jack but, DOes anyone one know any specs on the Pann Auto FMIC....just wanting suggestions..from anyone(attn)

[DiscreetSpeed]

(mswerd)
Notorious_V.I.C (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=6020)<SCRIPT type=text/javascript> vbmenu_register("postmenu_970971", true); </SCRIPT> - DiscreetSpeed (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=4542) was referring to piping diameter, not the core.

[hello2000]

HiBoost we need dyno's!!

[HammondMSP]

Talked to a Mazdaspeed Technician today. He said the FMIC would in no way affect our warranty unless it bumped against the radiator and caused it to leak (Said he had people come in with this problem).

How much clearance does each FMIC have b/w the IC and the radiator?

[jrodhotrod]

Talked to a Mazdaspeed Technician today. He said the FMIC would in no way affect our warranty unless it bumped against the radiator and caused it to leak (Said he had people come in with this problem).

How much clearance does each FMIC have b/w the IC and the radiator?
There is no way in hell a properly installed FMIC will contact the radiator.

[HammondMSP]

So there is no way that these kits (intercooler or hardpipes) will hit the radiator?

[HiBoost TS]

So there is no way that these kits (intercooler or hardpipes) will hit the radiator?
Our kit sits far from the radiator and has the brackets to prevent the I/C to rub against it.

[spike blue]

greddy says they'll release one this summer. hks wouldn't touch a msp with a 20ft pole.

keep me posted when you hear abaut the greedy fmic.

[mspeed101]

keep me posted when you hear abaut the greedy fmic.I doubt greddy will come out with a kit for our cars any time soon or even at all. Your better off getting the Ion. That seems to be the best one out for our cars. Plus they got dynos to back it up(evil)

[iON Performance]

HammondMSP (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8123) - Our FMIC core itself has it's on supports that bolt onto the chassis of the car. It will in no way be able to contact the radiator.

[spike blue]

HammondMSP (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8123) - Our FMIC core itself has it's on supports that bolt onto the chassis of the car. It will in no way be able to contact the radiator.
i was wonderingif the aem cai works with yur fmic???? oh by the way can you sent pict of your cai thanks ion for the info.

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - Not sure about the AEM, since none of our customers have that. Here's some pics of our intake:
http://www.ionperformance.com/customers/publications/pg5.jpg
http://www.ionperformance.com/customers/publications/pg6.jpg

[spike blue]

how much is your cai and how many wheel horsepower gain??

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - @ peak rpm, gain was 6whp: on average a minimum gain of 17whp across the entire rpm w/ a max gain of 24whp @ 4700rpm. (baseline was the stock car w/ our FMIC kit installed @ stock boost) *note the dynograph on the first page, that shows the gains relative to the baseline* Our CAI is $275US + shipping w/ the member discounted price for payment via MO.

[spike blue]

which is the difference between the injen and yours?? In horsepower gain?? Is the injen better than yours??? Im confuse because i want to put your fmic but i really want to have the cai first so i don't know which one to get?? Which one you will get and why??

[Swerny]

I think the biggest differences here are, and i'm sure iON will correct me if I am wrong, is that the iON CAI is s/s and uses an AFE filter, whereas the Injen is aluminum and uses an Injen filter.

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - The biggest differences are in materials (ours is stainless steel piping, 4 ply silicone hoses, ss t-bolt clamps) vs. Injen's which is (aluminum, rubber hoses and screw type clamps). We use an AFE filter which has a larger surface area then the Injen, so per given rpm it will ingest more air; thus allowing more air to be compressed by the compressor in the turbo.

In regards to gains, according to an idependant source, ours made more power then the Injen set-up.

In terms of materials, SS insulates better then aluminum (thus less heat can be transferred by convection/conduction). 4ply silicone hoses are designed to be extremely duriable under heat and pressure. Rubber will deteriorate overtime under heat and pressure.

[spike blue]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - The biggest differences are in materials (ours is stainless steel piping, 4 ply silicone hoses, ss t-bolt clamps) vs. Injen's which is (aluminum, rubber hoses and screw type clamps). We use an AFE filter which has a larger surface area then the Injen, so per given rpm it will ingest more air; thus allowing more air to be compressed by the compressor in the turbo.

In regards to gains, according to an idependant source, ours made more power then the Injen set-up.

In terms of materials, SS insulates better then aluminum (thus less heat can be transferred by convection/conduction). 4ply silicone hoses are designed to be extremely duriable under heat and pressure. Rubber will deteriorate overtime under heat and pressure.
i will like to get one cai so what i need to do??? oh by the way how much i need to deposit for the fmic??? thanks for the info i apreciate ion

[spike blue]

ion i will like to order one cai so please pm me and i'll pay you and i might give some money for deposit for the fmic. thanks - javier

[iON Performance]

spike blue (http://www.msprotege.com/forum/member.php?u=8064) - check your PM's. Better to email us directly -> sales@ionperformance.com

[muohio]

The Hiboost vs iON FMIC isn't really a price battle anymore since they are less than $90 different. I would like to get one of them, but I'm very uncertain about cutting myself. The performance difference for my personal use probably doesn't vary much.(confused)

[I'm Allen]

I made my choice...check out the sig.

Allen-

[jurgs01]

I made my choice...check out the sig.

Allen-
Smart people pay for the best! Post pics when everything is installed.

[Wiggles422]

Smart people pay for the best! Post pics when everything is installed.

So are you calling everyone that doesn't buy Ion's FMIC stupid?

Ion's FMIC isn't the best for everyone. To some people the cutting isn't worth the (I'm totally guessing) 3-5hp. Personally I don't think we'll know whose is best until they all have dyno sheets... just my .02 cents.

[jurgs01]

So are you calling everyone that doesn't buy Ion's FMIC stupid?

Ion's FMIC isn't the best for everyone. To some people the cutting isn't worth the (I'm totally guessing) 3-5hp. Personally I don't think we'll know whose is best until they all have dyno sheets... just my .02 cents.
No, I wasn't just talking about the FMIC (exhaust too). I think both FMICs have their upsides and downsides. Ion's is made of better material and has a larger core (and a dyno sheet to prove results), Hiboost requires no cutting and has free shipping. It's all about what you want out of a FMIC. You shouldn't listen to me anyway. I am waiting for the turbohoses SMIC to come out because that is the best option for me. I am getting the ION turbo-back exhaust when I have the cash to do so.

[DiscreetSpeed]

So are you calling everyone that doesn't buy Ion's FMIC stupid?

Ion's FMIC isn't the best for everyone. To some people the cutting isn't worth the (I'm totally guessing) 3-5hp. Personally I don't think we'll know whose is best until they all have dyno sheets... just my .02 cents.lol this is hilarious..how alot of people are fearing the cutting part? making it sound like the car is going to be hacked up to hell(loser)
you will probably never see the area you cut after the bumper is on.
JUST MY 2 CENTS YOU WHINNIN BITCHES(upyours)

[kicker22705]

what tools are recommended to cut these specific areas? anything special, or special skills required? Will cutting these points affect our warrenties (if we don't lose it from the fmic).

i like everything the ion fmic has to offer but i just don't wanna end up spending another couple hundred dollars because i realize its too complicated to install b/c of the cutting or b/c i lack the tools.

[DiscreetSpeed]

what tools are recommended to cut these specific areas? anything special, or special skills required? Will cutting these points affect our warrenties (if we don't lose it from the fmic).

i like everything the ion fmic has to offer but i just don't wanna end up spending another couple hundred dollars because i realize its too complicated to install b/c of the cutting or b/c i lack the tools.easy install man...just alot of peices..you dont have to be a ASE mechanic..just basic knowledge..just as long as you know how to operate a rachet;) .
as for the cutting...i used a cut-off..i think a member was charged like 120 bucks for a shop to do it..i took me like 5-6 hours..and that includes sitting on my ass just staring at the intercooler...breaks and all.(headbang)

as for the warranty..i would you say kicked it to the curb the moment you thought of the fmic haha as i did...my .02

[kicker22705]

sounds simple enough for me to do.

i figured i'd lose my warrenty, someone on this thread mentioned how his dealer said he wouldn't as long as the ic doens't hit the radiator or something.

whatever, if its the price i have to pay, then so be it.

thanx for the advice.

[spike blue]

That is not true. The stock SMIC is very restrictive and the core we use is very, very efficient. You can see from side to side if you were to look thru the core. Also the wrinkles on the plastic charge pipes from the MSP make too much turbulence as opossed to the smooth steel pipes. In fact, with our FMIC the boost comes earlier and stronger.

boost can you post dyno sheets and tell us how much hp increase with your fmic kit and photos please. Does the mild steel pipes good ??? thanks for the info