clutchless shifting???

[MazdaSP]

hmm i found out a new driving style today, but supposedly you can drive manual transmission cars without using the clutch to shift? my friend with a wrx told me this as we were riding in my car, he told me about it but told me not to do it until he showed me on his car, but i couldnt help it and tried it anyways... i got it in a few gears afterwards without grinding,.... its pretty friggin cool, but i would like to know more about this fun new thing, so if some of you know how to do this pointless action, give me some advice?

its suppose to only wear the sychros if i do it wrong, but also extends the life of my clutch, its not supposed to do any harm to the tranny, so i dunno, before i tear up my car, i would like some input of some other drivers

i know you all will probably say, dont try it, its stupid, youll mess up your car, but i just want to know how to do it anyway, heh im a noob

[RyanJayG]

I do it all the time when I drive a semi-truck... its called floating the gears... and to change gears you have to rev-match the rpms to the gear you want to go into... its not hard... and when I had my left knee surgury I did it ALL the time, cause my leg brace made it hard to clutch.

[mp5jeff]

Don't do it, simple enough...

[Notorious_V.I.C]

he said
i know you all will probably say, dont try it, its stupid, youll mess up your car, but i just want to know how to do it anyway, heh im a noobbut u did it anyways....

Don't do it, simple enough...

oh well.....i think

[Murda]

When upshifting, I believe it works out to be actually slower. This is because you have to wait until the revs drop enough in the next gear to make the transition. Any sooner and you'll grind, and if you miss, you'll grind.

However, when shifting while revmatching to upshift you can do it without wasting any time.

[mp5jeff]

clutch is there for a reason, use it.

[Aricjm15]

replacing a clutch is a SHITLOAD cheaper than replacing syncro's
you miss and you will melt your syncro's, the trannys in these cars are nowhere near the strength of a WRX

fuck the clutch, save the tranny

fixing tranny = $1000
new clutch with labor = less than $500

[SP33D]

shift at 3500 rpms in every gear and it will slip right in.. just don't try it going into first... because it's impossible to get into 1st without clutch unless someone push starts you... or you're rolling down a hill

but yeh i've tried it before and i was proud of myself for going from 1st to 5th without using the clutch... but the clutch is there for a reason.. so once you've tried it, don't make a habit of it haha

[MazdaSP]

eh im just seeing it as a show off skill once i get good at it, it seemed fun and i was amazed that i know so little about cars.. but yea i dont think ill use it all the time, its kinda like heel toeing rev-match engine braking crap i got good at doing, i dont do it all the time but its just cool doing it, i guess im just the typical highschool kid who doesnt know crap about cars and is messing up a good one. but the way i see it is... i pay for the car so i should be able to learn as many things as i want

[mdaj]

One morning I was driving to a work training class at 7:30am and I was tired as hell. Well, im in first just cruising then I shift to 2nd and I then shift to 3rd. A second later I realize I had just shifted into 3rd without even touching the clutch. I almost pooped my pants because I could have damaged something. Good thing I didn't. So I guess I won't be trying that clutchless shifting any time soon.

[DSM2MSP]

WRX trannies eat shit. Just about every guy I know who owns a wrx has a tranny problem, they suck. Come to think of it thought, Ive never really know a car that doesnt have a crappy tranny.

[mp5jeff]

ive had 3 friends break their trannies in a wrx, they suck, and only one of them got warrantied...

[mp5jeff]

now the sti tranny, thats different story =)

[Atreyu]

eh im just seeing it as a show off skill once i get good at it, it seemed fun and i was amazed that i know so little about cars.. but yea i dont think ill use it all the time, its kinda like heel toeing rev-match engine braking crap i got good at doing, i dont do it all the time but its just cool doing it, i guess im just the typical highschool kid who doesnt know crap about cars and is messing up a good one. but the way i see it is... i pay for the car so i should be able to learn as many things as i want


Like everyone has said floating gears is pointless. It's like power braking, it's fun but doing it is beyond stupid.

You wanna impress people? Keep practicing your heel toe shift and double clutch; especially for down shifting into turns. Nothing is cooler than the look on your passengers face when you slow the car down in one fluid seemless motion, and still enter a turn 25 MPH faster than they thought you should have.

[jersey_emt]

It's not pointless at all. If done right, there is no wear on the clutch or synchros at all. Plus, it's great in slow moving traffic where you're constantly shifting from 2nd to 3rd and back.

[[syko.xero]]

its not that hard

[Atreyu]

I didn't say it was hard, but the trade off is ruining your syncros and causing at least $1200 in damage. Therefore it's stupid and VIRTUALLY pointless.

For yet another example, shifting into nuetral everytime you begin braking saves wear on your tranny and brakes, but the trade off is you're coasting in nuetral everywhere which is dangerous and illegal. Therefore it's also pretty stupid.

[jersey_emt]

I didn't say it was hard, but the trade off is ruining your syncros and causing at least $1200 in damage. Therefore it's stupid and VIRTUALLY pointless.

For yet another example, shifting into nuetral everytime you begin braking saves wear on your tranny and brakes, but the trade off is you're coasting in nuetral everywhere which is dangerous and illegal. Therefore it's also pretty stupid.
Clutchless shifting does NOT ruin your synchros, in fact it PREVENTS wear, because they are not being used.

[Atreyu]

Clutchless shifting does NOT ruin your synchros, in fact it PREVENTS wear, because they are not being used.

But fucking up while floating gears DOES. It's not a Mack truck use the clutch.

[unwrittenLaw]

i'd rather use the clutch than worry about rev matching but thats just me...its just a protege, not an enzo

[WillisW555]

now the sti tranny, thats different story =)They seem to be complaining about that one too. I've been surfing some of the wrx/sti boards. I was looking at getting an 05 STi.

At the track, I was pulling it into neutral before cluthing in. It seemed fine, but I was not putting it back into gear without the clutch.

[Rich24km]

Its not illegal to be in neutral. And I don't see it as being dangerous.....considering i've been driving for a really long time now, and i always do it and i've never been in 1 accident or even close. I down shift only when driving hard and going fast. Any other time you put it in neutral and coast way before a light and you'll slow down enough that you barely even have to touch the brakes. I don't see why this is considered dangerous. how can you not controll a car just because it isn't pulling. If you turn the wheel it goes where you turn....so what about that is there no control. And as far as hitting the brakes hard if you know how to use a steering wheel properly you don't have to be in gear. Sorry but i've heard alot of people say that. And i have no clue why they think this. I've played around trying to lose control in neutral and it won't happen?


I didn't say it was hard, but the trade off is ruining your syncros and causing at least $1200 in damage. Therefore it's stupid and VIRTUALLY pointless.

For yet another example, shifting into nuetral everytime you begin braking saves wear on your tranny and brakes, but the trade off is you're coasting in nuetral everywhere which is dangerous and illegal. Therefore it's also pretty stupid.

[apocman]

WRX trannies eat shit. Just about every guy I know who owns a wrx has a tranny problem, they suck. Come to think of it thought, Ive never really know a car that doesnt have a crappy tranny.
Hey, anybody tell you that you look like Freddie Mercury (was the lead singer of Queen) (thought) (yes)

[tracknfield423]

so wait for floating gears say if you rev it to 3000 rpms and when you shift to second it drops in at 2500rpms to do this without the clutch you rev to 3000rpms let off and when it hits 2500rpms you shift to 2nd?

[jersey_emt]

tracknfield - It's nearly impossible to explain...I'll show you next week.

[[syko.xero]]

drive to around 3-3.5 k rpm let off the gas and shift

[BlkZoomZoom]

jersey-emt- Not to get into another argument about nothing but...... Clutchless shifting DOES wear the synchros, and the gears. I say this because:
1. There is no way that you can rev-match the engine/tranny perfectly.
2. This means that the synchros have to work anyways, and in alot of cases harder than when using the clutch.
I say that it wears the gears, I say this because if it makes a grinding noise, its the gears grinding.....
In my opinion it would wear the synchros faster not usinf the clutch than it would using the clutch, however it is just my .02

[INGREXCO]

actually i dont know if this is the same thing but i just found out u dont have to hit the clutch to take it out of gear. is this bad too?

[Atreyu]

Its not illegal to be in neutral. And I don't see it as being dangerous.....considering i've been driving for a really long time now, and i always do it and i've never been in 1 accident or even close. I down shift only when driving hard and going fast. Any other time you put it in neutral and coast way before a light and you'll slow down enough that you barely even have to touch the brakes. I don't see why this is considered dangerous. how can you not controll a car just because it isn't pulling. If you turn the wheel it goes where you turn....so what about that is there no control. And as far as hitting the brakes hard if you know how to use a steering wheel properly you don't have to be in gear. Sorry but i've heard alot of people say that. And i have no clue why they think this. I've played around trying to lose control in neutral and it won't happen?


Coasting in nuetral IS illegal in places. I am not going to cite traffic law, but Bob Bondurant has said(and written) it before MORE than once and it's been brought up here before. It is not the lose of power that I have heard explained as a problem. It's the fact that you would have no way to make quick evasive action if you coast in nuetral.

[Brian MP5T]

I think it sounds all bad...

[MazdaSP]

well im not doing it on a regular driving bases, that would be pretty friggin difficult, but to show someone who doesnt know and amaze the crap out of them is the goal,... its like "hey look at my foot... look at me shift..." then he replies ".......??!?! wtf??? how the f*ck did you do that??", hmm its just a cool thing, but i just wanted to let you guys know, and what the crap? driving in neutral is illegal? thats bullsh*t!! i do it all the time, it saves gas...

[alexlitov]

Coasting in nuetral IS illegal in places. I am not going to cite traffic law, but Bob Bondurant has said(and written) it before MORE than once and it's been brought up here before. It is not the lose of power that I have heard explained as a problem. It's the fact that you would have no way to make quick evasive action if you coast in nuetral.

cop pulls you over - sir, did you know you were in nuetral at that intersection?

you - no sir, i was in 1st gear.

(piss)

[MazdaSP]

5th is probably more believable, since its quieter... but maybe i just dont remember sound of stock exaust, and yea, my friend with wrx has different tranny, his got messed up getting on the highway

[tracknfield423]

thnx jersey, i'm looking foward to making the deal next week shoot me a pm when you get a chance to take some pics