Why is everyone so hesitant to press the limits?

[DSMConvert]

Ok I gotta ask...Why is everyone so damn hesitant about testing the limits of the MSP. Everyone should still be under warrantly for atleast another 2 years. So why not see how much of a beating the engines can take. Now keep in mind I only recommend doing this with the proper supporting mods, but why not crank up the boost and see how much stock internals will reliably handle. I mean if it blows, just put it back to stock and have mazda give ya a new engine for free...For me personally this is the perfect opportunity to try out new ideas and techniques I've been pondering for years...now yes more than likely they'll work, b/c I've had enough experience with cars to know what not to do, but if they fail big whoppty doo...I'll just take it back and act stupid and get a new engine....Now like I said before I dont suggest that everyone throw a mbc on and crank it to 22psi...but if you have the right supporting mods why not try out 14-15psi and see how long it will last...we'll more than likely never get the opportunity to try things without consequences again.....just my thoughts after reading several post where people outright tell others not to push the limits...for those of you old enough you'll remember DSMs went throught the same thing before people finally pushed it and now look where they are...potent sleepers....

[griswold]

Hmm. Well, I guess that most people don't want to get caught with their pants down while defrauding Mazda.

That and the risk of being told to go pound sand or pay $3000 for a new engine.

Just a guess, though.

[Heathen23]

I'm sure that if they wouldn't warranty my cracked exhaust because of my TT I'm pretty sure they aren't going to warranty my engine. Maybe if I removed the tint and the TT they might. That's what people are dealing with, and that's the answer to your question. It's not risk free and what you are considering is pretty sketchy.

[PhreakV]

Hmm. Well, I guess that most people don't want to get caught with their pants down while defrauding Mazda.

That and the risk of being told to go pound sand or pay $3000 for a new engine.

Just a guess, though.:bs: I just had to call it. :D


while I agree that'd be nice for people to push the envelope, there aren't that many MSPs around and its only going to be harder to get Mazda to do warranty work on parts that they aren't going to be making/using anymore. Mazda NA trolls ((hi)) are another reason why people that are pushing the limits aren't post whoring it up with their misadventures and successes. the DSM 'revolution' was great but they made quite a bit more than the 5k or so MSPs (plus better timing and fuel MAPs/injectors didn't hurt either) and it was easier to hide DIY projects gone wrong...

[kNOWfREED0m]

if i had 2 cars i would mess around a lil but shit i need my mazda to get to school and work everyday, and you think if we all just blow our engines mazda is gonna come to our houses, bring us flowers and fix our car that same day while alowing us to drive around in an unreleased mazdaspeed RX8 while they're putting a brand new engine in? Then when you go to sell the car you have to say "i blew my engine so the car has 50,000 miles but the engine only has 20,000" everyone is gonna jump on that offer lol anyways best of luck to anyone who trys it but dont think if u fuck up that mazda is just gonna hop you a new engine no problem, no questions and no wait.

[griswold]

It's been said a million times on a million forums.

You got to pay to play.

Why should Mazda reimburse you and fix your car because you decided to destroy it in the name of testing?

[Autox MSP]

I beat my car all the time, especially at autox. But my car is stock and will stay that way.

[pip7441622]

Most mazda techs will know the difference between a stock busted engine and a modded busted engine, trust me, I talked to one about this.

[JONBOY688]

well this would be a good idea, but the tech has to hook the motor to the computer. which in turns tells why and when the motor took a wrong turn. it will tell the peak rpm and running temp and load the motor was on when u blow cause it is going to store the check engine light with that info. so in turn u will have to find some really cool mech that is willing to lie for ure sake. reason i know this we had a regular protege come into today that overheated and locked the motor up, the check engine light stored a temp of 220 degrees for 5min with a heck of a load on the engine.

[Demonic-Speed]

People like you are why the warranty prices are the way they are....Its called Fraud....

[mazdaowner123]

Because some of us are honest. If I blow my engine because of a boost controller, I'm paying for it. It's not mazda's fault I'm an idiot if I crank up the boost. Even if you did try to put it back to stock they'll notice things like cut wastegate line. The reason mazda tries so hard to deny warranties is because of people trying to do shit like this; it just makes it harder for the rest of us who just want normal stuff fixed.

~brian

[Rich24km]

i agree with him.

[spacemonkey]

simple...very...very simple. I am a college student. this is my daily driver. Im poor...there for if the engine blows im in debt and I cant pay tution or boarding...

I can say most MSP owners are students...college or highschool.

Now when my warrenty is over and I get a good paying job in about 2-3 years then you will see me pushing the limits of this car.

There are alot of theories a speculation of what and what not our car can handel and if you can afford to pay for it...then go ahead and see what the speed is capable of. I cant afford it so I cant. I think about the guy who drives the 500 hp SRT-4 and how he wanted to push it and didnt care if it blew cuz he could buy another one. WE do have an advantage...our engines are cheap. But I still dont have $2K to waste.

[mazdaowner123]

Hehe and I think he did finally blow it at the dragstrip.

~brian

[Black Majik MSP]

If by supporting mods, you mean full forged internals & engine management, I'd say go for it. Of course you won't really be under warranty anymore then.

[spacemonkey]

Hehe and I think he did finally blow it at the dragstrip.

~brian
That he did but he didnt really care about his engine. He just wanted to see what it can handel.

SRT-4 engines arent cheap...plus I believe the rumor is dodge/mopar will give him another one since its been such good pablicity. Either way he said he was going to get another engine a fully rebuild the internals. But I wish he owned a cr that would be more challenging to mod, like the MSP. FS-DEs are cheaper then SRT-4s

[spike blue]

Because some of us are honest. If I blow my engine because of a boost controller, I'm paying for it. It's not mazda's fault I'm an idiot if I crank up the boost. Even if you did try to put it back to stock they'll notice things like cut wastegate line. The reason mazda tries so hard to deny warranties is because of people trying to do shit like this; it just makes it harder for the rest of us who just want normal stuff fixed.

~brian

I AGREE WITH YOU!! jUST THINK BEFORE YOU MESS UP YOUR CAR WITH THE BOOST CONTROLER. DON;T BE STUPID TO GO TO THE LIMITS AND BLOW YOUR ENGINE PEOPLE!!!!

[CommieSpeed]

I am kind of in the middle with this whole situation. First off, I don't sympathize for ANY multi-million dollar international corporation, and would have NO moral opposition to cranking a few extra bucks out of said company. This car has cost me a heap of cash, time, and lost work to deal with it's many irritating quirks, and I for one think that the LEAST Mazda can do is fix my shit if it ACCIDENTLY breaks. I do not, however, think that anyone should intentionally be risky and use the warranty as a fuck-up cushion. But if my engine blows from boosting 9 psi......you bet your ass those fuckers WILL rebuild it with a big 'ol smile while I drive a rental '04 Accord and enjoy smoking in a car again for a couple of weeks. With all of the documented warranty work (most when stock)I have already had to have them do (tons...countless visits and rental cars) this car could be considered a lemon. Mazda already screwed most of us....so unless is conflicts with your morals I highly suggest taking what you can get from Mazda. I feel very lucky to live near what appears to be the coolest Mazda Dealerhip, as they are almost encouraging about mods as long as they are done right. I have spent some time talking to and getting to know the guys in the service dept and lemme tell you, that helps more than ANYTHING else. I'd like to give a shout out to my cracka's at TMM Service Dept!! BIG P! FAT RICK and Lift-Master G!! JIMMY BANKS AND CHICO Man...YOU CRAZY CHICO!! KEEP IT REAL! Peace I'm outta Heeeeeeeeeeeeere!!!

[mspdfreak]

^^^time to head back to the ghetto, "G".

[03MSPRO]

Ok I gotta ask...Why is everyone so damn hesitant about testing the limits of the MSP. Everyone should still be under warrantly for atleast another 2 years. So why not see how much of a beating the engines can take. Now keep in mind I only recommend doing this with the proper supporting mods, but why not crank up the boost and see how much stock internals will reliably handle. I mean if it blows, just put it back to stock and have mazda give ya a new engine for free...For me personally this is the perfect opportunity to try out new ideas and techniques I've been pondering for years...now yes more than likely they'll work, b/c I've had enough experience with cars to know what not to do, but if they fail big whoppty doo...I'll just take it back and act stupid and get a new engine....Now like I said before I dont suggest that everyone throw a mbc on and crank it to 22psi...but if you have the right supporting mods why not try out 14-15psi and see how long it will last...we'll more than likely never get the opportunity to try things without consequences again.....just my thoughts after reading several post where people outright tell others not to push the limits...for those of you old enough you'll remember DSMs went throught the same thing before people finally pushed it and now look where they are...potent sleepers....
because of people like you, the honest people have to pay for the consequences...
This is exactly why people get warranty work denied.
Did you ever wonder why insurance costs are so high?

[CommieSpeed]

^^^time to head back to the ghetto, "G".Time to attain the ability to comprehend humor, "Redneck".

[Heathen23]

I'd like to give a shout out to my cracka's at TMM Service Dept!! BIG P! FAT RICK and Lift-Master G!! JIMMY BANKS AND CHICO Man...YOU CRAZY CHICO!! KEEP IT REAL! Peace I'm outta Heeeeeeeeeeeeere!!!
Sublime quote from 40oz. to freedom?

[CommieSpeed]

Sublime quote from 40oz. to freedom?hehehe, nope, I don't even really like Sublime.

[DSMConvert]

no people get warranty work denied b/c they let themselves get schooled by the dealership. They say your warranty is void and you just take it and dont fight it. SEMA is there exactly for that reason. They require that the dealership have factual conclusive proof of owner abuse to void a warranty, otherwise by federal law the dealership has to repair your car under said warranty. Secondly, warranty claims have nothing to do with insurance rates, get your facts straight. Insurance rates are high b/c 16 year old punks think they can drive 90 down a crowded road and still keep control of the car while its raining. Warranty claims are a set liability in the Companies budget, so when you get to college you can take some financing courses and understand that Mazda has millions sitting in an account just to fix warranty claims. If they dont use it all up, it goes to CEO bonuses...dont believe me? Go read the 2002 Mazda Financial Report. For anyone who cant read it, I'll be more than happy to obtain the exact numbers for Warranty Liabilities for the 2001-2002 fiscal year. Now finally, my post flamed no one, nor did it say to go about being stupid about modfications, it was a simple and polite question, and I expect the same treatment when responding to this thread. I fully support everyone stating their opinions but please lets be a little nicer about this, you have nothing to gain by ripping on the internet...

-John

[Heathen23]

no people get warranty work denied b/c they let themselves get schooled by the dealership. They say your warranty is void and you just take it and dont fight it. SEMA is there exactly for that reason. They require that the dealership have factual conclusive proof of owner abuse to void a warranty, otherwise by federal law the dealership has to repair your car under said warranty. Secondly, warranty claims have nothing to do with insurance rates, get your facts straight. Insurance rates are high b/c 16 year old punks think they can drive 90 down a crowded road and still keep control of the car while its raining. Warranty claims are a set liability in the Companies budget, so when you get to college you can take some financing courses and understand that Mazda has millions sitting in an account just to fix warranty claims. If they dont use it all up, it goes to CEO bonuses...dont believe me? Go read the 2002 Mazda Financial Report. For anyone who cant read it, I'll be more than happy to obtain the exact numbers for Warranty Liabilities for the 2001-2002 fiscal year. Now finally, my post flamed no one, nor did it say to go about being stupid about modfications, it was a simple and polite question, and I expect the same treatment when responding to this thread. I fully support everyone stating their opinions but please lets be a little nicer about this, you have nothing to gain by ripping on the internet...

-John
I didn't rip on you. Can't speak for otheres. I just mentioned it was sketchy.

As for fighting it; Your car will sit at mazda for months not running while you get a lawyer and HOPE you win. That's just not reasonable for most people. If you break it, you are going to have to take care of it yourself in most situations. That's just the reality.

[BlkZoomZoom]

DSMConvert- If you use aftermarket parts such as a boost controller you have to splice into the vacuum line going to the wastegate, this sends a red flag to the tech. working on your car (trying to figure out why there is a connecting rod hanging out the side of the block). He sees this and will stop working on the car until the rep. comes and investigates. It's not that the tech. is looking to screw the customer over, it's because there has to be a reason the motor blew, and its his job to find it.
-The reason I said this is because I went through this today w/ a gti with a blown motor.......I felt bad because I know what its like to modify a car. However owners of the MSP's I work on understand (or at least I hope they do) that if you modify the car and blow it up it's your fault (within reason).
- I am a Mazda tech. and I would never even think about expecting Mazda to pay for a motor that I blew up because I've been pushing the limits. I have even bought another 2.0l for when this one blows up.
-For you to say that you would expect mazda to pay for a motor that you blew by doing stupid shit just shows what kind of person you are.

Just my .02

[mspdfreak]

Time to attain the ability to comprehend humor, "Redneck".Oh, I comprehend humor...and that ain't it.

[_Slotegé_]

John-the main problem with me wanting to push this car to it's limit's are,the fact that i don't have alot of cash floating around to rebuild whatever it is that i may break! I mean the way i see it is if i do happen to break something and it is my fault "Not a mazda defect" then i will pay out of pocket to fix it myself! I'm not really the type to try and "get over" on people anyone for that matter.

But,i didn't really buy this car to be a beast i knew that the FS engine's are not to good of a starting point to build a all out power house of a car! if you do a little more research and see how many people have tryed to do what your trying to do now by "testing the limit's" of this engine you, might see that, that might not be the smartest thing to do. By no mean's am i saying that you shouldn't try what ever it is you want to try with this engine but, just be careful because like the saying i've alway's heard "You gotta pay to play" is mostly true!

In time i will have more supporting modification's then i might be more willing to test the limit's but for now i'll have to stick to basic bolt-on's.:(

Keep doing what your doing and let me know how it turn's out!(evil) (rockon)

[BinaryRotary]

I hate commie pinko apple pie hating mofos.

[murph1379]

back up here a sec...

when a stupid exhaust system can cost $1k, and engine management can cost $1k+, and suspension work can easily bust that much, and the other intake/exhaust/turbo stuff might be $2k more, wouldn't you expect someone who's pushing their msp like this to be able to plop down $2k for a new motor if he needed it?

I'm certainly not able to afford all the mods, so I can't afford the a engine either, but if I could, I'd just buy a damn STi.