CORK SPORT Bronze Oil Bushings

[FSDET]

I just wanna find out if anyone has em and what do u guys think about em ?? oh and if it fits the kartboy short shiter

[vodapas77]

Indeed. Bump for you. I want to now too. I almost ordered them the other day, but figured I would wait and see if anyone else had gotten some. Looks like a really good idea though.

[Matthew]

bronze oil bushings? explain.

[KyRaceFan]

Wtf are you talking about?

[FSDET]

GOT SEARCH???
kiddin just go to http://corksport.com/main.php3?primNavIndex=0&mainURL=%2Fstore%2Findex.php3%3Fcat%3D220747

[Matthew]

i would be interested if they fit the B&M shifter at the bottom of the shifter. the little ones ive been asking kartboy to make for a year now.

[vodapas77]

i would be interested if they fit the B&M shifter at the bottom of the shifter. the little ones ive been asking kartboy to make for a year now.
My thoughts exactly.

[Matthew]

i seem to be one of the few (i guess you too) that loves the real tight shifter like when you first install the new shifter before it breaks in, and so there wasnt enough interest to produce them tom said. :(

[BMC]

I'll be installing mine on Saturday. I'll let you know.

[tekkie]

That has to be the dumbest name possible for bushings (hand)

[mazdaowner123]

Bump, I'm interested as well.

~brian

[Matthew]

I'll be installing mine on Saturday. I'll let you know.
do you have the B&M?

[JMS'sMSP]

I installed them today on my new Kartboy shifter. The throw is tight as hell and smooth as can be. I hope the throw loosens up a little with time but not too much or my right arm is gonna be huge.

When I ordered them it says in the little write up on the Corksport site that they "may not work with all short throw shifters" so I got the Kartboy shifter cause that is what they have on there Project MSP that also has these bushings.

[Matthew]

thats the feeling i WANT! i DONT want it to loosen!

[FSDET]

I installed them today on my new Kartboy shifter. The throw is tight as hell and smooth as can be. I hope the throw loosens up a little with time but not too much or my right arm is gonna be huge.

When I ordered them it says in the little write up on the Corksport site that they "may not work with all short throw shifters" so I got the Kartboy shifter cause that is what they have on there Project MSP that also has these bushings.

So it will fit my KB short shifter ??

[FSDET]

is it easy to install it ?? JSM.. nice mods

[BMC]

do you have the B&M?
Nope...kartboy shifter, knob, and bushings, along with the corksport bushings all go in this weekend.

[vodapas77]

So, you're gonna run the Kartboy bushings up front and the Cork Sport in back on the shifter?

[JMS'sMSP]

is it easy to install it ?? JSM.. nice mods
They are a snap to install... they just go where the green/olive colored bushings go on the shifter, right where the bolt goes. Be very sure that you lube them very good or you will have a hell of a time getting the rod end back on the shifter.

I think I am going to have to get the B&M shifter cause it is just to tight. I cant find gears and fast shifting isnt an option at all.

But as far as smoothness goes it is like butta!

[rktktpaul]

I've bought these too, but haven't gotten around to install. I've always thought that these are installed at both ends of the shift linkage, not the shifter. In fact if you read the product description at Corksport it says:

"The kit contains 4 bushings (2 front - 2 rear) to replace the 4 OEM bushings on the shift linkage."

So if you're replacing the bushings in the shifter with these, I'm thinking thats wrong.

[rktktpaul]

So, you're gonna run the Kartboy bushings up front and the Cork Sport in back on the shifter?The Kartboy bushings are not installed on any portion of the shifter components. The Kartboy busings basically replace the soft factory bushings at a brace point that is supposed to keep the tranny from rocking; its kind of like AWR mounts for the tranny.

[vodapas77]

The Kartboy bushings are not installed on any portion of the shifter components. The Kartboy busings basically replace the soft factory bushings at a brace point that is supposed to keep the tranny from rocking; its kind of like AWR mounts for the tranny.Yes, this I know. lol. I asked because he said he was going to install both the Kartboy and Bronzeoil bushings. The Bronzeoil bushings consist of both the shifter, and linkage mount bushings. So, I was curious if he was going to leave off the linkage mount Bronzeoil bushings for the Kartboy. I was wondering this because I too have the Kartboy bushings and was thinking about trying the same thing since they probably won't be quite as stiff as the Bronzeoil.

[BMC]

Yes, this I know. lol. I asked because he said he was going to install both the Kartboy and Bronzeoil bushings. The Bronzeoil bushings consist of both the shifter, and linkage mount bushings. So, I was curious if he was going to leave off the linkage mount Bronzeoil bushings for the Kartboy. I was wondering this because I too have the Kartboy bushings and was thinking about trying the same thing since they probably won't be quite as still as the Bronzeoil.
That was the plan, now I'm so confused where they go though, lol. I'll have to see when I take it apart.

[rktktpaul]

Yes, this I know. lol. I asked because he said he was going to install both the Kartboy and Bronzeoil bushings. The Bronzeoil bushings consist of both the shifter, and linkage mount bushings. So, I was curious if he was going to leave off the linkage mount Bronzeoil bushings for the Kartboy. I was wondering this because I too have the Kartboy bushings and was thinking about trying the same thing since they probably won't be quite as still as the Bronzeoil.Sorry about that; didn't mean to confuse the situation. It is my understanding using both the bronzeoil and Kartboy bushings make for wickedly awesome shifting; that's why I'm going with both when I put my B&M shifter in.

I still don't believe that the bronzeoil bushings go into the bottom shifter though. I'm pretty sure that both sets are in installed in the shift linkage; one set where you hook up to the shifter and the other set at the transmission.

[FSDET]

They are a snap to install... they just go where the green/olive colored bushings go on the shifter, right where the bolt goes. Be very sure that you lube them very good or you will have a hell of a time getting the rod end back on the shifter.

I think I am going to have to get the B&M shifter cause it is just to tight. I cant find gears and fast shifting isnt an option at all.

But as far as smoothness goes it is like butta!
what are u saying ?? with the bushings u cant shift fast?? and its harder to find the gears ? but its smoother when u find it ??:)

[JMS'sMSP]

Sorry about that; didn't mean to confuse the situation. It is my understanding using both the bronzeoil and Kartboy bushings make for wickedly awesome shifting; that's why I'm going with both when I put my B&M shifter in.

I still don't believe that the bronzeoil bushings go into the bottom shifter though. I'm pretty sure that both sets are in installed in the shift linkage; one set where you hook up to the shifter and the other set at the transmission.
In the photo on the Corksport site is shows the stock green bushings from the shifter and the bronzeoil bushings. So if they dont replace the Green ones where do they go???

I was wondering why I got 4 but the picture is the only instructions I got in the box.

[JMS'sMSP]

The Kartboy bushings are not installed on any portion of the shifter components. The Kartboy busings basically replace the soft factory bushings at a brace point that is supposed to keep the tranny from rocking; its kind of like AWR mounts for the tranny.

If thats the case why does it say in the Corksport write-up for the bushings "may not work with all short throw shifters" If they dont connect to the shifter end what would it matter what shifter you had?

[rktktpaul]

In the photo on the Corksport site is shows the stock green bushings from the shifter and the bronzeoil bushings. So if they dont replace the Green ones where do they go???

I was wondering why I got 4 but the picture is the only instructions I got in the box.
From what I know, you reuse the green one from the shifter itself. So if you're going with a new short shifter, you pull the green bushings from your stock shifter and pop them in the new shifter.

One set of bronzoil bushings go in the shift linkage under the car where the shifter will connect to. Ok, when you get under the car, you're going to undo a bolt that is goiing to release the shifter to pull it out; where that bolt goes through in the fork of the shift linkage under the car, thats where you will find two of the OEM bushings that you replace with the bronzoil bushings. The other two bushings to be replaced will be found at the other end of the shift linkage where it hooks up to the transmission. So you replace those at the transmission end.


If thats the case why does it say in the Corksport write-up for the bushings "may not work with all short throw shifters" If they dont connect to the shifter end what would it matter what shifter you had?
That one I can't answer for you. May have someting to do with the face dimension of the bronzoil bushings and the relative size of the end of the shifter. I'm really not sure of the answer.

[JMS'sMSP]

From what I know, you reuse the green one from the shifter itself. So if you're going with a new short shifter, you pull the green bushings from your stock shifter and pop them in the new shifter.

One set of bronzoil bushings go in the shift linkage under the car where the shifter will connect to
So you are talking about where the Kartboy Bushings are... and where the shifter connects to the tranny. And the stock green ones stay in the shifter?

[rktktpaul]

So you are talking about where the Kartboy Bushings are... and where the shifter connects to the tranny. And the stock green ones stay in the shifter?
Half right - the Kartboy bushings have nothing to do with the shifter itself nor the shift linkage. The shifter does not have a direct connection to the transmission. The linkage or the shifter rod does that. The shift linkage has the four bushings that you replace with the bronzoil ones.

Ok, this explanation I'm borrowing from TheMAN might make more sense:

"the kartboy bushings are ONLY for the shifter stabilizer rod... the shifter stabilizer rod is a passive moving part, meaning it DOES NOT do the shifting operation... the shifter rod does that... as the name implies, the shifter stabilizer bar is connected from the transmission to the shifter base and all it does is reduce shifter free play/movement in between shifts by controlling the transmission movement... think of it as a torque strap

using that bushing will help shifts somewhat, but the real improvement in shift feel are also replacing the actual shifter rod bushings on both ends of the shifter rod... it is a pair of bushings on each end of the pivot point

shifter freeplay/movement can be improved more effectively by replacing the engine mounts with stiffer units... this will almost eliminate the need for the kartboy bushing... but if you want to click your way through the gears, replace everything<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
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TheMAN
'01 BJFP MT"

The shifter rod bushings Edwin refers to are the bushings you replace with the bronzoil ones.

[jersey_emt]

So the Kartboy bushings and the Bronzoil bushings are two completely different products, that when installed together, make the shifting ultra-precise?

[rktktpaul]

That's what I'm getting out of all this. The bronzoil bushings helps smooth out the shift pattern in the linkage, and the Kartboy bushings help take the twist out of the tranny that's goes through the shifter.

[FSDET]

great then i just ordered it :) along with the clutch lines.. i dont know if they make a diffrence tho but it only $18

[JMS'sMSP]

I got under my car again today and swapped the bronze bushings out and back to the stock ones in the shifter itself. I then put that set of bronze bushings down at the "Y" looking thing right next to where the Kartboy Bushings go.

HELL YEAH SMOOTH AS HELL AND NICE AND EASY TO SHIFT! THANKS ALOT "RKTKTPAUL"!

I guess I would have been able to get it right from the start if CORKSPORT had given me instructions for the Bronzeoil Bushings.

One last thing the other half of the "Y" connection to the tranny doesnt have a nut end, both ends are flat and there seems to be no way to disconect it at that point. So if that is where the other set goes (I cant see another place for them) then how do you install the last two bushings?

[rktktpaul]

One last thing the other half of the "Y" connection to the tranny doesnt have a nut end, both ends are flat and there seems to be no way to disconect it at that point. So if that is where the other set goes (I cant see another place for them) then how do you install the last two bushings?
Ha, hah! Another mystery to work on! I'll look around and see what I can find.

[FSDET]

I just got my bushings from them their all the same?? how come thers 2 black and 2 bronze in the picture on there site ?? and plus no instruction what so ever.....

[uclap5]

that picture was a comparison to stock.

[FSDET]

ohhhhh ok ill install tomorrow let you guys know i got the ss clutch line too and awr front and rear im just gonna do the front m/t one tho i dont plan on wasting my whole day on the rear ones

[Black Majik MSP]

AWESOME...I have been hating my shifter as of late. I'm going to order the Kartboy & Corksport bushings right now. WOOT!

[t3ase]

Moved to MSP Engine & Perf.

[CorkSport]

I have them in the Kart Boy shifter on my MSP. I did those while doing the Kart Boy shifter, KB bushings, KB shift knob.

[Emode]

so is there a definitive answer as to where the second set of bronzeoilo bushings go? From this thread it looks like it hasnt been r3esolved yet.

[BMC]

That'd be my problem. I installed the set, and the kart boy bushings, but I still have the other two bronze oil bushings sitting here.

[CorkSport]

Two go on the shifter side, two go on the tranny side.

[03MSPRO]

I don't think all 4 Bronzoil bushings and the KB bushings can be used all that the same time.

[CorkSport]

I don't think all 4 Bronzoil bushings and the KB bushings can be used all that the same time.

They are totally different parts.

The KB bushings go into the stabilizer bar, while the bronzoil bushings go into the shift linkage itself. (there is two different bars that run parallel next to each other)

[rktktpaul]

I don't think all 4 Bronzoil bushings and the KB bushings can be used all that the same time.
Yes they can - they are two completely different things.

[rktktpaul]

Damn, beat me to it CorkSport!

[CorkSport]

buuuuwhahahahhaa! And you've been up longer than I have! (only 9:50 here) :-D

[MSPinVA]

This thread is useless w/o (pics)... it seems like there is just a bunch of confusion. Care to help us out Corksport?

[rktktpaul]

Yeah, but the reflexes are little off this morning; was at the office til 4:30am getting ready for a meeting for this afternoon, and was back at the office by 8:30am.

Today is gonna reallly suck!!

[CorkSport]

I can't really take pictures with my car on the ground. So I tried doing a little sketch of where things go. There are TWO different bars for shifting between the shifter area and tranny area.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid120/p68205224e7a26437750b9d2f10fb8242/f85d7210.jpg

[03MSPRO]

This thread is useless w/o (pics)... it seems like there is just a bunch of confusion. Care to help us out Corksport?

[Emode]

sketch link doesnt work

[CorkSport]

sketch link doesnt work

If you copy/paste the URL into a new browser it will.

[KyRaceFan]

sketch is working now.

I'll probably buy these soon. Gotta love corksport. :D

[FSDET]

how often do i have to change them i just installed it 1000 miles ago they take a whiel to brak in but i helped make the shifts smoother. Good product

[KyRaceFan]

uhh you dont have to change them.. theyre self lubricating, and should last beyond the life of the car

[CorkSport]

Considering our cars are next to brand new we are not going to experience a HUGE improvement over stock. :)

[Black Majik MSP]

I am going to attempt to install mine tonight. I was hoping that I wouldn't need to jack the car up, but apparently I will. I'll let you all know how it goes & take some pics while I'm down there.

[Dimitrios]

Mine are on order and should be here this upcoming week (more to the pile)

"Corksport", I'm a bit bummed that no instructions are included; perhaps Paul and/or I will make them up and submit them to you? Sounds like a good product but I'm sure the confusion is rampant over them.

Dimitrios

[Dimitrios]

Never mind..just read Black Majik's post http://www.msprotege.com/vbb230/showthread.php?t=73737