Beefing up Engine internals

[WickdMonkey]

Hey all, I am new to the board. I don't have an MSP but my bestfriend does and he doesn't have internet right now so I am on here representing him. Anyway to my question. The other day he is talking to a guy about the MSP and the guy said he just bought one. He was talking about upgrades and things and I had previously told him that I though the appropriate path would be Turboback exhaust, maybe an FMIC, BOV, some form of engine management, boost controller, up boost to 8 or 10 psi, and an intake. This other guy said "oh no your friend is an idiot that mazda engine can only take about 200hp." He then tells my roomate that he shoud get new headers, pistons, rings, cranshaft, and camshaft. Then do the exhaust. I think this guy doesn't know shit, but what do you think. This guy also claims to be a mechanic for mazda, but I don't know. Anyway, any help is appreciated.

The Wicked MOnkey

[Captain KRM P5]

Hey all, I am new to the board. I don't have an MSP but my bestfriend does and he doesn't have internet right now so I am on here representing him. Anyway to my question. The other day he is talking to a guy about the MSP and the guy said he just bought one. He was talking about upgrades and things and I had previously told him that I though the appropriate path would be Turboback exhaust, maybe an FMIC, BOV, some form of engine management, boost controller, up boost to 8 or 10 psi, and an intake. This other guy said "oh no your friend is an idiot that mazda engine can only take about 200hp." He then tells my roomate that he shoud get new headers, pistons, rings, cranshaft, and camshaft. Then do the exhaust. I think this guy doesn't know shit, but what do you think. This guy also claims to be a mechanic for mazda, but I don't know. Anyway, any help is appreciated.

The Wicked MOnkey
The "guy" is an idiot. The camshafts on the MSP are fine, the crankshaft is forged and the pistons aren't that bad. The rods you would do well to upgrade at some point.

You were on the right track - engine management, exhaust and an FMIC would be three key things I would do to this car. 200 hp?!?! There are aftermarket turbo kits here on the forum that push more than 220 hp to the wheels!

[noclue119]

headers, pistons, rings, cranshaft, and camshaft. Then do the exhaust. I think this guy doesn't know shit, but what do you think. 1. we don't have headers...
2. if he is a mazda mech, we know the problem right there
3. I think it can handle at least 250 read the mags. HCI... or ask discreetspeed... i think he is close to 250 maybe more...
4. Exhaust, fmic, intake, boost controller sounds like the right order...

engine managment does not really exist for this car... only corksport has a shitty computer for us and its like 800 dollars.

[Captain KRM P5]

engine managment does not really exist for this car... only corksport has a shitty computer for us and its like 800 dollars.
the AEM will be available soon, you could always go custom with something like the MPI tuner, we'll be offering a Microtech solution in a matter of months and there is also the Haltech which has been adapted to the Protege.

there is nothing per se that is "plug and play" specifically for these cars...yet. but you can get an EMS and have a shop tune it for you or if you are so inclined do it yourself.

[chillinmcmillan]

whats the word on the AEM EM? Is there a thread about it with more info? Price and what not?

[low_psi]

check the Engine Management/Tuning section, chillinmcmillan.

Welcome to the site WMonkey! My friends have a GSX and GST(Big16G) and I love the power the cars offer. A blast to drive.

As stated earlier, a turboback exhaust, fmic and ems is a good route to go. The MSPs need to breathe freely like any turbo car. Once you've cooled the charge air and have allowed the turbo to expell the exhaust gases, I would focus on tuning. The MSP runs crazy rich, so leaning out the mixture will improve power dramatically. The only piggy-back systems available are a Unichip(Corksport) and the MPI Tuner(Modern Performance, Inc. The AEM EMS is being designed as a plug-n-play unit running similar to a piggy-back, in parallel with the stock ecu. All the other options are standalones that require the usual wiring, whether you run it in parallel or full standalone. The Microtech looks very promising as the first turbo MP3 runs it w/ a 16G and a whoel mess of other parts.

[WickdMonkey]

check the Engine Management/Tuning section, chillinmcmillan.

Welcome to the site WMonkey! My friends have a GSX and GST(Big16G) and I love the power the cars offer. A blast to drive.

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Thanks for the welcome and info guys.

I love the GSX. I have had mine for about 6 years and I pretty much started modding right away. I used to have the big 16g but I maxed out the flow so I just recently got a 20g but I haven't gotten to the track since I got the 20g. Anyway I am glad to be apart of your mazdaspeed community. I aboslutely love the MSP I can see why you all chose it.

The Wicked MOnkey

[Captain KRM P5]

where in IL are you located at?

[WickdMonkey]

where in IL are you located at?

My hometown is Pittsfield but I live near ST. Louis

The Wicked MOnkey

[mazdaspeedpower]

yeah, I personally am gettin all you stated, and then looking into Rods, and just cause I wanna be really safe, pistons. He's gonna need an FCD to run above 10 without hitting his cut. Also, he will need better plugs, like iridium(sp?) or wuteve you can get.

[MrDiggler]

My hometown is Pittsfield but I live near ST. Louis

The Wicked MOnkeyKewl. My parents used to live in St. Louie. Great town. Just started dating a girl from Bethalto / Alton, IL area.

K, now back to your thread. Sorry for the T.J. Couldn't help it.

[jesse]

I remember seeing a picture of a blown piston, so thats probably worth replacing.

[low_psi]

I remember seeing a picture of a blown piston, so thats probably worth replacing.
Please tell me your joking... The MSP needs tuning not internals first.

[Dr.Sound]

with proper tuning this car is fine with 263whp @ 18psi.......just ask joe.

tri-point proteges run 240hp N/A with their engine management.

[CatD399]

with proper tuning this car is fine with 263whp @ 18psi.......just ask joe.

tri-point proteges run 240hp N/A with their engine management.
forged or stock?

[mazdaowner123]

engine managment does not really exist for this car... only corksport has a shitty computer for us and its like 800 dollars.
Err? What about the MPI Tuner? Or the AEM EMS? Or the Haltech?

~brian

[Dr.Sound]

forged or stock?not forged

[noclue119]

Err? What about the MPI Tuner? Or the AEM EMS? Or the Haltech?

~brian
I thought the AEM is not yet out, the mpi is custom = money and haltech was adapted... so not real practical solution yet... how is that..

[mazdaowner123]

I thought the AEM is not yet out, the mpi is custom = money and haltech was adapted... so not real practical solution yet... how is that..Is the corksport computer out yet? Also, what do you mean the mpi is custom? 505zoom said his mpituner was under 1k, and Nick offers great tech support for it I hear.. AEM isn't out yet, but neither is the corksport. They posted dyno's of the AEM on a stock p5. MPI seems to be the best in my opinion. How is that...

[jesse]

Please tell me your joking... The MSP needs tuning not internals first.
I know that first the best thing to do is tuning, but someone said that the rods are all that should be replaced after that. This engine (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/324030/2) blew a piston with a 50 shot of nitrous. Nitrous does put a lot more stress on the engine then extra boost, but theres still potential for blowing pistons. Its a waste to replace the rods and not the pistons.

[CatD399]

I know that first the best thing to do is tuning, but someone said that the rods are all that should be replaced after that. This engine (http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/324030/2) blew a piston with a 50 shot of nitrous. Nitrous does put a lot more stress on the engine then extra boost, but theres still potential for blowing pistons. Its a waste to replace the rods and not the pistons.
ouch....

[low_psi]

jesse- i agree about replacing both at the same time. i did not see where you were just correcting someone. my bad.