Mazdaspeed 3. Hatch or Sedan?

[Newf]

So, more then likely it is coming.

Will it be a hatch, or sedan? I don't really care about the rumors floating around right now.

The point of this poll is to see what WE want here. So go ahead...vote.

[Dexter]

wagn

[Karl Marx]

Sedan looks sexier... so a Mazdaspeed3 Sedan would be my choice.

just my opinion.

[slkt]

Sedan:)

[mazdaspeedpower]

I think the wagon would look cool as fuck

[Newf]

well, take a guess what I voted :)

I just don't want to drive a "wagon", no matter how cool it looks.

[+ friction]

Wagon it is...time for a change! :D

[nate0123]

sedan (thumb)

[BlueWolfCry]

well, take a guess what I voted :)

I just don't want to drive a "wagon", no matter how cool it looks.sometimes i wished i had spent an extra thousand and gotten the p5, but you changed my mind sir

[tonkabui]

both!

[nate0123]

sometimes i wished i had spent an extra thousand and gotten the p5, but you changed my mind sironly reason I would have done it is to get the leather, but ..... not a good enough reason :)

[nate0123]

both!I was going to say both (like you can get WRX trim level on both) but he said to pick one so :p

[tonkabui]

i picked wagon cause i have a p5. i'm partial.

[dmitrik4]

either woould be cool, but the 5-door gets my vote, since i think the 5-dor looks cooler.

with what i'll need in a car, i probably wouldn't be interested in a sedan version.

edit: so it's "more than likely coming"? it is?

[Newf]

no option for both.

voting is close so far :)

[NRRfrogmanP5]

hatch

[Newf]

is it safe to say that everyone that has a p5 or Mz3 sport will vote Wagon, and everyone else with a Protege or Mz3 sedan with vote sedan?

[Dexter]

is it safe to say that everyone that has a p5 or Mz3 sport will vote Wagon, and everyone else with a Protege or Mz3 sedan with vote sedan?
no, i voted Wagon and i have a MSP.

[Damaga]

the sedan just looks damn good!
there`s just something odd about the wagon, can`t put my finger on it.

[funnylittlman]

I kinda like the Hatch newf

You gonna get one?

[goldwing2000]

there`s just something odd about the wagon, can't put my finger on it.

Funny... that's the same thing I think about the sedan. :p

[Dexter]

the wagon looks so much better. the sedan looks too plain for me.

[Sethlan]

the wagon looks so much better. the sedan looks too plain for me.


I'm the exact opposite. I find the Sport model rear end just looks strange. I think its the window placement...

I really did like the Protege 5 look better than the sedan though.

[04Mazda3SportGT]

Sport model for sure...sedan pretty much looks like a Corolla on the outside and much more/useful cargo space in the hatch than trunk. But to each their own!

[Newf]

I find the front of the wagon is too close to a pt cruiser for my liking.

Don't take that the wrong way, because when I see these cars on the roads, I really like them. Just that ... well, it's a wagon. I don't want a wagon. Yeah, in it's stock form, the sedan can look boring in comparison because it is not as agressive. BUT, the sedan has so much potential, and anyone with an imagination can picture it with some better wheels, small ground effect package, and so on, and I think it will be bad ass.

I'm thinking that if they come out with a wagon.....I won't get it. But a sedan, I'll trade the speed for it.

Isn't it ironic that Mazda calls the wagon the Sporty one? How screwed up is that?

[turbonium959]

Not that it will ever happen in US, but the wagon is much more appealing to me.

[Mazda3]

I like the sedan better, but I think they will build the wagon this time. Doesn't matter to me I'll take either one.(drive)

[blendable79]

I'd get the wagon too. Can't go wrong with performance and utility.

[Newf]

I think the wagon will be the speed this time around as well. Too bad. that's going to leave me with a decision to make. do I wait another year to see if there's a sedan version ( 90% sure I would ) or just settle with the wagon.

...still don't want a wagon.

I find it interesting though that this vote has been very close, tied even, most of the way so far.

but come on folks....there's more then 50 people here!

[eting_pro5]

since it's not an option, i'll vote wagon, but i really want a 3 door hatch, SVT focus style.

[Damaga]

I think you're biased eting_pro5 :)

[murdock_]

waGON IS PIMPIN

[Black Majik MSP]

I like the sedan tails & I hate the "point" on the the hatch door.

[Swerny]

Hatch, and I drive a MSP.
I hate the new sedan, I like the new Hatch.
I would have preferred the current MSP as a hatch as well.

[nate0123]

I hate the "point" on the the hatch door.the thing I don't like is that they carved a giant chunk out of the bumper for the hatch handle

[Newf]

I don't like the point, or the handle, nor the hood on the car. Anf for a hatch, there's not a lot of "hatch" to it.

Vote is tied again. I think this the way it's going to be. split down the middle. Soooooo, if anyone from Mazda is looking... RELEASE BOTH!

[nate0123]

yea sounds like a good idea

[zoomzoom02]

Damn! Its 50/50 right now!!!

[dmitrik4]

i have a sedan and wish i had a 5-door. i won't call the 3 (or P5) a wagon b/c technically it isn't. there's not enough space behind the rear seats for it to be a true station wagon. example: Focus ZX5 (5-door hatch) and Focus Wagon.


Isn't it ironic that Mazda calls the wagon the Sporty one? How screwed up is that?

...i find it funny that sedan owners are picking on a wagon for not being sporty. ;)

[Newf]

true dat! LOL

[SUSmalls]

When I was looking for a new car, and specifically at the Mazda 3s, there was just something about the hatch that drew my attention. I really don't know what it was but it was just sleek looking, esp. in Black which is why I ordered one in that color.

The sedan was good looking too, but there was just that something else about the hatch that I just had to have. And hopefully I will have it soon enough.

Once you go 5door you won't look for anything more! (I made that up myself, aren't you proud? LOL)

[Fat Mike]

Personally i love both I went from a P5 to a 3 Sedan, guess I just wanted a change

[03MSP]

Wow, this poll is damn close.

I voted hatch, I just think it looks sportier, although I would pick my MSP over a MSP5(if there was one).

[msubullyfan]

Sport model for sure...sedan pretty much looks like a Corolla on the outside and much more/useful cargo space in the hatch than trunk. But to each their own!
(protest) NOOOO!!! DON'T SAY THAT! NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (protest)

That's interesting... I never thought of that before. (crazy)

[pr5owner]

I think the wagon would look cool as fuck
what does fuck look like exacaly?

[pr5owner]

oh BTW my vote is sedan w/ body kit, uber cool

[Replica]

American market....sedan. America hates hatches.

[cochizzle]

American market....sedan. America hates hatches.
i like hatches, theyre a growing trend (although already a big trend), i just dont like the mazda3 hatchback... i vote sedan... the civic si should have stayed as a coupe, not an odd-looking disaster, the same applies to the mazda3... sorry to offend any hatchback lovers, i remain by the statement, "mazda should have kept the protege5 look for a hatchback, just upgrade the engine."

[Replica]

i like hatches, theyre a growing trend (although already a big trend), i just dont like the mazda3 hatchback... i vote sedan... the civic si should have stayed as a coupe, not an odd-looking disaster, the same applies to the mazda3... sorry to offend any hatchback lovers, i remain by the statement, "mazda should have kept the protege5 look for a hatchback, just upgrade the engine."The SI has been a hatch since 1984. It's suprizing that the 99-00 were coupes. Oddly, the American public loved the coupe, as sales told the story. I'm glad the SI is a hatch again, but I don't like the car at all....

[goldwing2000]

The SI has been a hatch since 1984. It's suprizing that the 99-00 were coupes. Oddly, the American public loved the coupe, as sales told the story. I'm glad the SI is a hatch again, but I don't like the car at all....

Actually, in 1984, it was just an S. I know. We had one. :)

The standard Civic was a 1300cc and the S was a 1500.

I've loved hatchbacks ever since then.

[Replica]

Actually, in 1984, it was just an S. I know. We had one. :)

The standard Civic was a 1300cc and the S was a 1500.

I've loved hatchbacks ever since then.My mistake, 85. :) Here's the sexy beast

http://www.mitene.or.jp/~soichiro/car/Si.GIF

[goldwing2000]

My mistake, 85. :) Here's the sexy beast

http://www.mitene.or.jp/~soichiro/car/Si.GIF

Mmmm... childhood mammaries. 'Cept ours was two-tone gray. :)

That's what I learned to drive a manual trans on (I was 12 at the time).

[wangan_x]

i got the sedan, but it wasn't really my choice, the car is my wife's i thought the hatch looked nicer but having the sedan seems to have changed my opinion i like it more and more every day

i saw someone post about bodykits
there is one out so far that i know of
5 door
http://body-kit.com/mazda3.html
4 door
http://body-kit.com/mazda3s.html

i really like the sedan kit

[Newf]

I like both those kits. although the wagon's front doesn't really appeal to me for some reason.

Can't wait unti we start seeing some really nice kits on members cars. These things have potential to be so sexy.

[goldwing2000]

I like both those kits. although the wagon's front doesn't really appeal to me for some reason.


Agreed. The wagon kit looks like ass. Sad.

[nate0123]

yes those pics show how much sleeker the sedan will look modded

the hatch just looks freakin chubby... I have no interest in chubby cars

[TiGrayMsp716]

I'm not sure but it looks like the hatch and sedan share most of the body panels that would be used for a kit. Anyways I voted for the Hatch. I'm nervous about what they might put on the back of a sedan if it became a MS3....

[Newf]

Yeah, the spoiler situation again. The car actually looks good without one. Although, I do like the higher stock one as well. Lets hope they tame down any spoiler idea's and keep it clean and simple.

As for that kit on the hatch. Side on, I don't mind it. Back on, still not bad. It's just that front bumper that ruins it for me.

later guys!

[MSP Tuner]

I say wagon since we already have the MS sedan.

[MP5s Make Ready]

wagon is SEXIER!!

[Newf]

man, it's still almost tied. Not how I expected this to go. I figured one of them would be way more popular then the other.

[jrodhotrod]

no, i voted Wagon and i have a MSP.
That's what I did... I love the way the 3 wagon looks.

[jrodhotrod]

i got the sedan, but it wasn't really my choice, the car is my wife's i thought the hatch looked nicer but having the sedan seems to have changed my opinion i like it more and more every day

i saw someone post about bodykits
there is one out so far that i know of
5 door
http://body-kit.com/mazda3.html
4 door
http://body-kit.com/mazda3s.html

i really like the sedan kit
Oooooh... If it was a choice between those bodykits I would have voted Sedan. That sedan kit is Sexy!

[BlueMonsta]

Oooooh... If it was a choice between those bodykits I would have voted Sedan. That sedan kit is Sexy!

seadan looks nicer cause of the camera angels, and the car is "Lowered" I think its photoshopped lowered, I know the rims are photoshop.
I'd take the hatch over it anyday...

how much is the 3 hatch kit?
I might save up for thiS!!!!!

[BlueMonsta]

i'd like the sedan too but i just dun like how the rear lights are so high up...
reminds me of a corolla

[Maria]

VERY SEXY!!!


Oooooh... If it was a choice between those bodykits I would have voted Sedan. That sedan kit is Sexy!

[osudewd]

I've never really considered myself a bodykit type of person, but seeing that 3 sedan changed my mind!

[spec5protege]

Well, I'm usually a wagon lover (drive a WRX wagon currently) but I think that if a "special" edition is going to be made (i.e. Mazdaspeed) then it should definitely be the sedan. I think that besides souping-up the engine, weight-savings should be in effect. I.e. reduced weight via less fancy-pants interior trim, etc.

-spec

[wangan_x]

i just word back from the body kit people they said the grand total would be 950 shipped they would be sending from sri lanka so 950 shipped is pretty cheap (band2)

[Jpasta]

i just word back from the body kit people they said the grand total would be 950 shipped they would be sending from sri lanka so 950 shipped is pretty cheap (band2)


I dont think so, its not even painted for that money

they already have RX-8 kits on ebay for 549 US

just wait a year tell the price goes down, thats wut im doing

[RobMP5]

...i find it funny that sedan owners are picking on a wagon for not being sporty. ;) (mswerd)

I have been addicted to hatches since my first car, a 2001 Focus ZX3. I'm tired of seeing sedans EVERYWHERE I go and like hatches because versatility of an SUV without the rollover feeling.

Guess you can tell which one I voted for...

[coffeesmurf]

I change my mind almost everyday. I voted wagon because I saw a blue one today and decided I was going to get the wagon.
If I had voted yesterday, I would have chosen sedan because I saw a nice orange one and decided it was going to be a sedan.

I am waiting for the 2005 model, just hope I can decide before they arrive. :(

[Newf]

.....and the sedan pulls slowly away from the hatch....

[Kain]

Coupe :)

[Newf]

Coupe :)
in my dreams!

[Mazda 3]

Hatch back !!! Hatch back !!! cauze mine's HB ... Hahaha......

[TiGrayMsp716]

The 5 door should be the new mazdaspeed. It's more distinctive and getting beat by a wagon is so much more dramatic.....

[Horse]

http://body-kit.com/mazda3s02.jpg


Dead Sexy!!

[TiGrayMsp716]

http://body-kit.com/mazda3s02.jpg


Dead Sexy!! You could put that same kit on the hatch.

[goldwing2000]

You could put that same kit on the hatch.

Nope. No groove in the rear bumper for the hatch release.

[TiGrayMsp716]

So you could use everything but the rear bumper... (you could probably still use it if you know a good bodyshop)

[batmang]

its coming, when though?

[Newf]

whoohoo!!! Go sedan go!

[goldwing2000]

whoohoo!!! Go sedan go!

Oh hush...

Damn newfies... (screwy)

:p

[Newf]

hee hee!

[-XtenZ-]

Even though I own a Wagon/Hatch I am going to have to say the Sedan would look sweet all dressed up in MazdaSpeed stickers. The 5 door is sweet but the Sedan just looks like it has more *growl* to start with and plenty of available room to *roar* later.

-X-

[wangan_x]

the body kit is already out but it costs 950$ shipped

[dulog]

I'm biased so I voted wagon. I go back and fourth as to which car I like the looks of better and which car is better for my needs. Hatchback is really handy espcially if you want to have your dog riding back there...but something that I don't see mentioned much about the sedan is that the trunk is actually longer and more secure.
Ok yeah those considerations have less to do with the mazdaspeed version so as far as performance goes the sedan beats it on weight and has less drag right. But I have to agree with TiGrayMSP716 that getting beat by a wagon is more dramatic (or maybe funny in my opinion). Both would be nice to see. Since last time it was the 4dr so I think it's time for the 5dr this time. Tuff call I think.

[SilverproES]

Newf, do you change cars every 2 years?

My vote is to keep the MSP. Otherwise it would be a 6 hatch back!

[Silver Bull3t]

The 5 door should be the new mazdaspeed. It's more distinctive and getting beat by a wagon is so much more dramatic.....


Word. (drinks)

[Silver Bull3t]

So you could use everything but the rear bumper... (you could probably still use it if you know a good bodyshop)
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What did the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!!!HA I'm RICK JAMES BEATCH!!!




.............Wwwwhhat!......Yeah!.........O-K!. (wink)

[Newf]

Newf, do you change cars every 2 years?

My vote is to keep the MSP. Otherwise it would be a 6 hatch back!well, in 2000, I bought a new Civic.

2001, Mazda mp3

2003 MSP

And after seeing more MAzda 3 sedans on the road lately....if they make a Mazdaspeed Sedan

2005 MAzdaspeed 3 4 me!

:)

[SilverproES]

Newf, what are insurance premiums like on a MSP out there??

They're getting pretty ridiculous around Toronto. Not that I own a MSP.

[Newf]

$91/ month. That's me primary driver, and the woman 2nd. Full coverage. although I don't have that option where my rental would be paid if I had to put the car in for repairs.

I traded my mp3 a little earlier then I usually would due to the deal I got, and the fact the mp3 was clunking all over the place. Then again, the civic was even earlier due to a dealer that pissed me off. But I usually try to trade between 2-3 years. I lease, and just walk in to dealer, say I want such and such car. Pay the insurance/registration crap fees, and drive out in another car. There's a definite sweet spot for when to trade, or sell a lease, where you can get some money back, put towards new car to help pay fee's and make a small downpayment. If you can find that spot, and sell each car. You can basically drive a new car forever. Of course you'll always have a car payment as well. But, I always have a warranty, always have maint. plan ( freedom driving here in CA) so outside of tires, I never have any cost for maint.. Heck with the Mazda, I dont' have to pay ANYTHNG. Not even wipers as I get new ones every year. Brakes, rotors, pad, fluids, oil, everything all taken care of for 4 yrs.

[majic]

hmmm.. dunno if anyone has seen this (you have to register) <- just checked.. apparently you don't if u click right on the link (uhm)
http://www.media.mazda.com/photolibrary/img/jpeg_l/E/jptas04_005l.jpg
if that link doesn't work it's the picture from here (also register) (hmm)
http://www.media.mazda.com/photolibrary/index_e.html

it's labelled 2003.12.19 Mazda Axela SPORT MAZDASPEED A spec. (2003)
(so i guess this should work then) http://www.media.mazda.com/CGI/photolibrary/E/detail.cgi?photo=new&id=E01645

So i guess it's a wagon then? (headbang)

[Newf]

we've seen that. That's the euro version. Has really no meaning to us over here.

[Airman Jack]

any idea if we can get those european bumpers and grilles in north america?

[bigo711]

damn........
i am now struggling with sedan or hatch too...
i ordered a black 3 GT sedan that will arrive at the dealership in the late august. but...now..i sort of wanna change my order to a hatch.
cus i think it looks so nice in winning blue.

ps: i live in canada, so we dun get winning blue sedan(GT)

[Loose]

any idea if we can get those european bumpers and grilles in north america?
I would like to know the answer to that question as well. I got on the Austrailan website and they have the black grills and diffrent bumpers but they have 4 diffrent models of the hatch and from the looks of it the body panels are diffrent among the diffrent models. The North Americian hatch is known as the SP23 in Aust.

[ashutoshsm]

I hope its the wagon! I'd even upgrade from my 6. Unless the MSP 6 comes out in the hatch.

The wagon is HOT - at a recent car emet, one of the Mazda fanatics (6 Mazdas over the years) was lent a fully loaded 3S wagon by his dealership, and we all took joyrides. And of course, then there was RevItUp. The wagon is the way to go!

[Newf]

I've driven both, and I'd take your 6 over a 3 wagon anyday.

Sedan still gets my vote. I have a neighbor with a titanium hatch so I see it everyday, and I have no interest in trading my speed for a wagon. it's really cool and all, but I can't get past the pt cruiser hood.

[tiwing]

If the msp were to come out looking something like this it wouldn't matter a damned bit which one. I'd take 'em both. (i voted sedan)

[Airman Jack]

hey is there any chance that the Kenstyle sedan kit would fit on the hatch? I like the cleaner lines...

[Newf]

If the msp were to come out looking something like this it wouldn't matter a damned bit which one. I'd take 'em both. (i voted sedan)
I'd still only take the sedan. The wagon kit isn't quite my taste.

[tkhawaii]

Gotta go with the 5-door here. Some like it with nuts, others don't.... LOL

TK

[Newf]

I'd still only take the sedan. The wagon kit isn't quite my taste.
Island people are nuts :)

[malebastard]

Sedan looks soo much better..

take a look @ the kenstyle kits for the hatch and the sedan and tell me which ones better!!!

The sedan kills it!!!

http://www.artex.co.jp/Pages/CarLife/AXELA/AeroStyle/photo/AXELA_KenStyle-Sedan_F.jpg

http://www.artex.co.jp/Pages/CarLife/AXELA/AeroStyle/photo/AXELA_KenStyle-5door_F.jpg

[tkhawaii]

Sedan looks soo much better..

take a look @ the kenstyle kits for the hatch and the sedan and tell me which ones better!!!

The sedan kills it!!!

http://www.artex.co.jp/Pages/CarLife/AXELA/AeroStyle/photo/AXELA_KenStyle-Sedan_F.jpg

http://www.artex.co.jp/Pages/CarLife/AXELA/AeroStyle/photo/AXELA_KenStyle-5door_F.jpg


if you need the kstyle kit to make it look better - LOL..... but, I won't knock you on the sedan with the k kit - the k kit for the 5 looks butt with that lowest lip but that grill is awesome. my pennies. (yes)

[tkhawaii]

Island people are nuts :)

LOL - we got nuts alright.... LOL either way, i'm glad i have a MZ3 babiiiieee!

[malebastard]

if you need the kstyle kit to make it look better - LOL..... but, I won't knock you on the sedan with the k kit - the k kit for the 5 looks butt with that lowest lip but that grill is awesome. my pennies. (yes)

Not saying you need a kit... it looks sweet in the standard form....

I was talking about in terms of modications and potential etc...

[tkhawaii]

Not saying you need a kit... it looks sweet in the standard form....

I was talking about in terms of modications and potential etc...

Well, it seems like you mentioned how the K kit makes the sedan look nicer in your earlier post when you added the pictures in to try to prove a point... as for modifications - same engine, same mods don't you think / perhaps a few different mods for suspension and body panels since the 5 shares only one or so of it's external panels with the sedan but I am sure the development for these parts will be on a similar timescale. Potential? never can tell - that's arbitrary - which one has better front/back weight distribution ratio, who is heavier, who hauls more stuff, who is going to chop the top, who's going to slam their vehicle, autocross...the list continues....

for me and the current style trend it seems, is the shift to the more "station wagon" eg: Magnum, Matrix, Mazda3-5 (hey, they all start with an "M"), Scions, etc.. look. (rofl)

well, i'm off to wax down the "serve no real function but looks cute rear spoiler" on my 5... ltrz!

[Akaveli]

hhmmmm

[Mardorf]

I bought my first Mazda a week ago. I got the Mazda 3S 2.3L Winning Blue fully loaded. What a sweet ride this car is. Looks GREAT inside and out. Gotten plenty of compliments on the vehicle. Zippy little thing. I love driving this car. I am adding more accessories to it a soon as I find pieces for this model. Any suggetions? I am also new to the fourm. Just found it today and registered today.

[TiGrayMsp716]

Welcome to the forum. My advise is don't believe the hype. Check everything out before you get it and Don't do anything to your car to impress someone else. If you don't have something don't put the sticker on your car. (i.e. vtec, nos, type r, mazdaspeed, svt.....)

[Newf]

or better yet. DO NOT PUT STICKERS ON AT ALL!

[TiGrayMsp716]

or better yet. DO NOT PUT STICKERS ON AT ALL!
Yeah but some people just have to put SOMETHING on their car..... I'm feeling you on that though....

[goldwing2000]

much better camera, but I don't know american prices for shit so i don't know if that's good or not.

Huh? (uhm)

[Mazda3hatchback]

In my honest opinion the sedans are girl cars. I see more of them with girls driving them that guys. Second the hatchback is better looking and is more of a mans car. It go the best ratings for looks by car and driver magazine. The sedans look so plain and are so ugly. (pukey) (pukey) (puke)

[ashutoshsm]

Congratulations on making the most mature post on the forums. Ever. By a 6 year old. Your mental age is in the teens, I'm sure, or at least 11 or 12. Keep up the good work!

[bvmazda3]

Congratulations on making the most mature post on the forums. Ever. By a 6 year old. Your mental age is in the teens, I'm sure, or at least 11 or 12. Keep up the good work!

(lol)

[Loose]

In my honest opinion the sedans are girl cars. I see more of them with girls driving them that guys. Second the hatchback is better looking and is more of a mans car. It go the best ratings for looks by car and driver magazine. The sedans look so plain and are so ugly. (pukey) (pukey) (puke)
Let it be known that all sedan drivers are now girls, and all hatch drivers are now guys. (stooges)

[goldwing2000]

All right, all right... let's keep it on topic here. (flame)

[PMPJUICE25]

I Would Say The Wagon Cuz It Looks Better. But I Heard Niether Are Coming Out With A Mazdaspeed. A Mazda Salesperson Said They Are Skipping The 3's And Putting A Turbo On The Miata!!! But He Could Of Been B/s In Me.

[timba24]

um pimpjuice ya its the mazdaspeed miata they have 2 down at courtesy on sahara last time I was there. anyways their is a ton of speculation of what will the next mazdaspeed be and knowbody knows

[Newf]

So I walk into the dealer last week, and the salesman and I started talking. Nice guy, don't get me wrong.

So, I bring up the Mazdaspeed 3, we agree whatever it is, it should be sweet. Then he goes yeah, I hear next year all of mazda's cars will get the mazdaspeed treatment. The 3,6 and 8.

Ummm, ok, sure.

Then again, it's possible.

[Hypnotized]

I think the mazda 3 wagon just looks sick!! I will buy it if they do an MS3 wgn without a doubt.

[tkhawaii]

I wish for either. Just as long as we do get a Mazdaspeed unit. By the way, the M6 wagon would have made me buy it instead of the 3-5 I have now. But, they are pricing those things way up now.... supply and demand, I suppose.

[Mazda3hatchback]

Hey some people need to chill. Its just my opinion about mazda 3 sedans being girly cars. I just see more girls driving the sedans out here in North county. Second when I was at the dealership there was a girl and her family who bought the sedan. I taked to her and asked if she liked the hatch but she wasnt into it. Now the mazda 6 sedan is actually agressive looking with the body kit and everything. I was looking into getting one but they were overpriced. I am 24 and its an opinion not a statement. Deal with it. (hah)

[Newf]

funny, because most of the hatches around here are being driven by women. And their either Blue, or orange.

I guess their "cute" or "pretty"

[Mazda3hatchback]

Yeah I guess canada is different in their own ways. Maybe woman there just want an awesome looking car like the hatch. I live in Sunny San Diego and all the hotties out here are all about sedans like the civic, saturn sl series, focus sedans and especially the corollas. Hey guys get this, I was just down in Pacific Beach the other day and Ford has new saleen focuses. They have new body kits with a hood scoop and bigger hatch spoiler on the top. They were selling for $25,000 dollars. I still wouldnt buy them. They look pretty ugly with all that body work.

[Newf]

how dare you say the "f word" in this thread. :) Two F words at that !

j/k

[mazda6girl]

Let it be known that all sedan drivers are now girls, and all hatch drivers are now guys. (stooges)
That is so true example, my fiancee has a protege5 and I have a mazda 6i with the sport package. He has two toys to play with now that I have my 6.

[TiGrayMsp716]

how dare you say the "f word" in this thread. :) Two F words at that !

j/k
Man I'm slow it took me a few minutes to figure that one out....

[tkhawaii]

That is so true example, my fiancee has a protege5 and I have a mazda 6i with the sport package. He has two toys to play with now that I have my 6.

LOL make that "3" toys.... lucky guy. J/K

[transpuma]

I would have to go with the sedan, well, since that is what I bought. I guess I never really got a feel for the hatch. Both are great in their own way and the front of both are very similar. They both definitely turn heads on the road though. (hump)

[mazda6girl]

LOL make that "3" toys.... lucky guy. J/K
SO TRUE, never thought about it that way! He takes care of all three of us, that's for sure (yippy)
I have it made, I give him the money and he does whatever he wants to my car. Just like the new project is a intake, I give him money and he picks which to get. AEM or Injen, I dunno which he is gonna do. I want speed, noise, and one awesome looking car. My car has to look as good as me (flash)

[Newf]

and the sedan is still in the lead.

[goldwing2000]

and the sedan is still in the lead.

... and by less of a margin.

I really think people have stopped voting.

[M_3]

i vote sorry to vote but they show this thread in another thread just could resist to see the results

[mobomelter]

there needs to be a cool turbo powered hatchback. the subaru wrx wagon isn't too pretty....

[M_3]

for real that subaru is nasty

[lospez54]

hatch all the way baby, there no car under 20 grand better lookin then the hatch. PERIOD!!!!!

[bigj884]

i'd like to see them have both as MS 3 but if i had to choose i'd choose sedan....sedan is lighter...and probably gain more out of turbo than the heavy hatch.....

plus i think the sport package sedan looks sexy......

not being biased...i have a P5 and my mom has the 3 hatch....i just think sedan would look and perform better than hatch

[Eazy]

id go sedan.

[M_3]

hatch all the way baby, there no car under 20 grand better lookin then the hatch. PERIOD!!!!!


i dont think so

[noonebetterhave]

I had to recover my password from 2 years ago, but I did it just so I could vote for the hatch.

Go Hatch Go!

[yiannis77]

True, the sedan could look sexier BUT we honestly need a fast, good looking hatch. So my vote is for the hatch.

[NegatiZE]

Sedan dammit!

[Newf]

I guess the sedan people lost :(

Oh well, no Mazda for me next time around. I don't want a hatch. hmmmm, maybe Honda.

[nate0123]

I guess the sedan people lost :(

Oh well, no Mazda for me next time around. I don't want a hatch. hmmmm, maybe Honda.I doubt Mazda USA would decide based on a small internet poll ;)

[MazzyH07480]

i am an owner of a hatchback and i have drivin both the 4- and 5-door 3s' to their extreme and i have come to realie that the 5-door handles better. so in my opinion the speed version should be a hatchback, for performance reason. and anyway, the hatchback looks sexier with a body kit.

[nate0123]

i am an owner of a hatchback and i have drivin both the 4- and 5-door 3s' to their extreme and i have come to realie that the 5-door handles better. so in my opinion the speed version should be a hatchback, for performance reason. and anyway, the hatchback looks sexier with a body kit.(yupnope)

did the sedan you drove have 17s?

and... the body kit on that 3 you posted is the fugliest!

[ZoomVT]

(werd)

[MazzyH07480]

yes it had 17's and that picture is just and idea of what body kit i want



(yupnope)

did the sedan you drove have 17s?

and... the body kit on that 3 you posted is the fugliest!

[MazzyH07480]

i would like to state that i saw spyphotos of the new mazdaspeed 3 and it is indeed a hatchback

[BC3I]

yea but i saw on here somewher that they showed it as a sedan in Japan

[altspace]

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9588_image.jpg

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/9589_image.jpg

[nate0123]

wait, so they put 2 little dimples on the wheel spoke and that makes it mazdaspeed? (uhm)

[Newf]

yeah really. If that is the Madaspeed, they can keep it. Boring. Wheels are a sad attempt at stylish at best and oh yeah, it's a hatch. Like there isn't enough of them around already. That thing doesn't look any different then a normal 3.

I've driven both the sedan and hatch as well, and I can't say the hatch handled any better, sorry.

A Mazda for my next car is looking like less and less of a possibility.

[BC3I]

can you say....SLEEPER....

but it should still be a Sedan

[altspace]

It's a test mule, not the production version.

[nate0123]

so what's the deal... FI? or just suspension mods?

[BC3I]

i think its both...

[ZumZumsGirl]

I like the sedan.. But then again I'm a girl and somehow the hatch just looks better with a guy driving it lol.

Kind of like the WRX.. Yet to see a girl driving one. :)

[wongpres]

wait, so they put 2 little dimples on the wheel spoke and that makes it mazdaspeed? (uhm)
Those pictures are just a test-mule. The rims in those pictures are 18's and may or may not be the final design for the vehicle itself. And to confirm, the Mazdaspeed3 will be hatch-only (no sedan version).

[nate0123]

Mazda engineers have been spotted around<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = ST1 /><ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on"> Germany</ST1:PLACE> </ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>'s Nurburgring race track with an enhanced version of their Mazda3 - an early prototype for the MazdaSpeed3. It appears that this prototype has a larger, more aggressive exhaust tip, but the real story is found up front.

The large makeshift hood scoop is clear proof that something special has been added to the engine - most likely a turbocharger given the recently turbocharged MazdaSpeed6. The MazdaSpeed6 turbocharges the 2.3-liter four-cylinder, resulting in 274 hp and 280 lb-ft of torque, which necessitated a switch to an AWD drivetrain.

Given its place in Mazda's pecking order, it would seem likely that this Mazda3 prototype has a turbocharged version of the 2.0-liter engine, putting horsepower at somewhere near the 235 range. With such power levels, a MazdaSpeed3 version would obviously benefit from all- wheel traction, but could also conceivably remain a front-driver.

We expect that more advanced MazdaSpeed3 prototypes will display revised sheetmetal, with a more aggressive front fascia and a properly integrated hood bulge to accommodate the turbocharger.

[ZoomVT]

where is it confirmed the mazdaspeed 3 is hatch only? link? official documents? anything?
i just ask cause it would be a real bummer for me.

[nate0123]

I wonder if they needed the extra clearance provided by the hatch's higher hood?

[altspace]

Those pictures are just a test-mule. The rims in those pictures are 18's and may or may not be the final design for the vehicle itself. And to confirm, the Mazdaspeed3 will be hatch-only (no sedan version).

Um, That's what I said....hehe.

[altspace]

Heh....I read the same article.

[J dragon]

If it's gonna be a hatch I will say fuck that shit..I'll be getting the Mazdaspeed 6 instead thank you sir

[JOS3]

im glad the ms3 is a hatch because the hatch looks so much better than the sedan.

[nautical2086]

sedan by far, sedan looks way better than the "hatch". I'm upset with the ms3, not only are they using the 2.0 they are also using the wagon, I mean "hatch" model.

[JOS3]

to each his own. the 3 sedan looks too bland for me. it doesnt have the curves or look as sporty as the hatch does.

[nautical2086]

looks just as if not sportier than the "hatch" with the spoiler, the S model that is.

[ced381]

i dont know where you guys found that the mspeed3 will be hatch, but you're wrong! i'm working for mazda canada and we had a meeting about the next mazda cars and it's confirmed; the north american mspeed3 will be sedan. your probably talking about the japanese mspeed3 (the japanese ms3 is hatch) but here, i will be sedan! sorry for the hatch lovers!(bang)

[goldwing2000]

i dont know where you guy found that the mspeed3 will be a hatch but you're wrong! i'm working for mazda canada and we had a meeting about the next mazda cars and it's confirmed; the north american mspeed3 will be sedan. you guys probably found it on the japanese site of mspeed (the japanese ms3 is hatch) but here, i will be sedan! sorry for the hatch lovers!

No offense or anything but with exactly one post on this forum you have about zero credibility.

I'll trust what I hear from wongpres.

[ced381]

up to you! see you later in front of a sedan mspeed3!

edit: for the "one post" thing, i discovered this forum yesterday so of course it's my only post!

[ZoomVT]

lol...
but i want to believe him. if its a hatch i'll have to move on to a different car... :'(

[goldwing2000]

up to you! see you later in front of a sedan mspeed3!

edit: for the "one post" thing, i discovered this forum yesterday so of course it's my only post!

So you want us to believe that Mazda has completely changed their minds since this post on October 1st?


And to confirm, the Mazdaspeed3 will be hatch-only (no sedan version).

Do you offer anything as proof or just expect us to take your word for it? News releases? Pictures? Memos? Anything?

[ced381]

no sorry, cause i was not suppose to tell anyone. anyway, I don't care if you believe me or not, I dont even know you! you'll see, just to wait a few months! see ya

[goldwing2000]

Yeah, ok. See ya. (boom07)

[wongpres]

Not sure if goldwing was referring to me, but I've been given some specs and even the tentative date for this vehicle. I can't share it so don't even ask, but the black testmule photos that can be seen in this thread is a 5-door right?

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106005&page=3&pp=15

[FrigginGLI]

That's a 5 door.

[Mz3Hatch]

hatch look sooo much nicer than the sedan in my opinion. hatch owner here and i love its look. theres just something about the sedan that i dont like, but hey, whatever mazda decides to use for the Speed3, ill be more than happy to purchase. Especially if i can mod it to rip my friends 13.3 WRX Impreza.. and i want a front mount with it!!!!

[ced381]

lol I cant wait for the SEDAN MS3 to come out guys... a test mule... lol! a test mule is NOT the final design for a car guys. it's only for testing!

and today I asked again my manager to be sure I didn't dream about it and he said I was right, he saw the same photo, and it was a m3 sedan. and it's suppose to hit the dealers next spring.

i dont have anything against the hatch m3, it rocks, but i know what i saw.

(wish they would gave us that damn photo...)

[nate0123]

get out your camera phone...

[ced381]

sorry, dont have one

[nate0123]

wow, so you have to use payphones when you're on the go? that must suck (hah)

[goldwing2000]

wow, so you have to use payphones when you're on the go? that must suck (hah)

He said he doesn't have a camera phone.
He didn't say he doesn't have a mobile phone. (braindead

[Breeegz]

we already have a MSP... show the hatch some love

[nate0123]

He said he doesn't have a camera phone.
He didn't say he doesn't have a mobile phone. (braindeadyou mean you can still get those without the camera?



I was just being silly (poke)

[MazdaAxela]

MazdaSpeed 3 in the Sedan
MazdaPerformance 3 in the Hatchback is my call..thell release two models ;)

[goldwing2000]

you mean you can still get those without the camera?



I was just being silly (poke)

Nice save.

[nate0123]

that actually is what I meant...

sorry, I was in a weird mood this morning

[BlkZoomZoom]

Interesting thread. I found out a few tid bits of information from a few people higher up on the Mazda food chain...
I was kindove disappointed finding out what the Mazdaspeed 3 is going to be after beating on and loving the Mazdaspeed 6.

[ZoomVT]

and the information you have is....???????

[tsunami]

Interesting thread. I found out a few tid bits of information from a few people higher up on the Mazda food chain...
I was kindove disappointed finding out what the Mazdaspeed 3 is going to be after beating on and loving the Mazdaspeed 6.


yeah wtf is up with that.... another "source" who can't divulge any information... ??? not that i don't believe you have info just well you must be the umpteenth person to have said something like that...

[nate0123]

I was kindove disappointeddid you really just say kindove? (hah)

[BlkZoomZoom]

Mazdaspeed3 will be the 5-door. Fwd w/ posi. 2.3T w/ 250hp. 6spd Auto. Shaker style hood scoop.

Basically the same drivetrain as the new Cx-7 except no option for the awd.

[goldwing2000]

Mazdaspeed3 will be the 5-door. Fwd w/ posi. 2.3T w/ 250hp. 6spd Auto. Shaker style hood scoop.
Not according to ced381!!


i dont know where you guys found that the mspeed3 will be hatch, but you're wrong! i'm working for mazda canada and we had a meeting about the next mazda cars and it's confirmed; the north american mspeed3 will be sedan.
Methinks you rumor-mongers need to get your stories straight. (dunno)

[BlkZoomZoom]

I don't really care what ced381 says.

[nate0123]

so wait, 6 spd. auto but no manual option?

[BlkZoomZoom]

Thats what I am told. The car is still in some form of development so I'm not sure if all the details are set in stone.

[goldwing2000]

I don't really care what ced381 says.

(hah) That's exactly what he said, too!

I look at it this way: you both may think you know the real story but one or both of you may have been fed bullshit information by another source.

I guess we'll all know the true scoop in another few months or so. Until then, I'm not going to hold my breath.

[BlkZoomZoom]

Thats very true. You would think that they weren't feeding bullshit to us considering it was a mazdaspeed meeting and all the big wig's were there.
We will all know next year who is correct.

[goldwing2000]

We will all know next year who is correct.

Exactly! Until we hear an official press release of some kind, it's all speculation.

Who knows... maybe you're both right and they're going to make a 4-door and a 5-door! (thumb)

[dmitrik4]

i don't buy the "auto only" prediction. no AWD? fine. no manual from the "zoom zoom" company's tuning arm? i'll believe it when i see it.

[Kodiac 3]

any idea of how much more it would cost over the 3s sedan?

[vindication]

if they make this auto then I am personally going to go to Mazda's doorstep and take a crap on there stoops.

I think the hatch/shaker hood theory came from that early pic back in the day of the black hatch 3

[Newf]

Thread back from the Dead

one thing you can see from this thread

Mazda Needs to release BOTH

[Kodiac 3]

hell - with the votes it looks like they'd make money on both of them. we need a new poll for "if the speed3 was a hatch only would you buy it???"

[oldzoomer]

Thought I would muddy the waters with some published information.
Road and Track published a picture of what they say is the Mazda 3 by Mazdaspeed on page 24 of the February 2006 issue. It is a red hatchback. The car was shown at SEMA.
The only mechanical additions were "a shorter-throw shifter and a lighter engine flywheel".
This differs from what I saw in autoweek some time back.
Maybe this car is just to debut Mazdaspeed equipment you can add to any 3?

[mike_moss]

That is exactly what it is. It's not a Mazdaspeed3.

[paranoidxe]

Well if I had a choice it'd be a 2DR HATCHBACK, but hey between the two I'd choose the wagon. Or better yet, bring back the Protege5 :P

[dukefanmaz3]

for the last time, its gonna be the hatch with a 2.0l, no more debates no more polls needed (deadhorse

[Newf]

for the last time, its gonna be the hatch with a 2.0l, no more debates no more polls needed (deadhorse

I think you've missed the point of this thread.

[thasilver3]

so when the hell is the mazdaspeed 3 coming out? im ready to get 1 already

[goldwing2000]

for the last time, its gonna be the hatch with a 2.0l, no more debates no more polls needed (deadhorse

So you're the Mazda Wizard and know exactly what they're going to build?

Have any proof?

[Newf]

the purpose of this thread was a bit of a trick question. There is an obvious interest in both. Just like there was with the P5 and MSP.

It really wouldn't take much for Mazda to make both. Subie does it. So why not Mazda? I just don't see a good enough reason as to why not.

[altspace]

so when the hell is the mazdaspeed 3 coming out? im ready to get 1 already

Might be showing at Detroit Auto Show. Release this spring hopefully.

[Newf]

yeah right, try next spring.

It's rumored for a fall realease. Add the usual Mazdaspeed delays, and you'll be luckt to see it in 2006 at all. I'm guessing this time next year. I hope I am wrong. I want to see it for kicks before I jump ship to something else

[menus87]

hatch all the way ive had both

[Mz3Hatch]

oh id LOVE a hatch speed3.. its a little off topic but could be a precursor to what the actual speed might entail.. has any hatch owner noticed the large amount of room behind the engine that a turbo would fit perfectly into.. and also the large amount of room for a front mount behind the bumper.. things i noticed 7/04 when i bought my car.. yes i know that hiboost has turboed already.. did they utilize this space thats already there? same thing with the sedan? anyways back on topic.. dealer master mazda tech said spring 07 for speed3 release.. just the right time for me to let go of my 3.. ahh.. i just hope the price tag will be affordable..

[Newf]

Ya now, with the Mazdaspeed protege, miata and 6, we had a picture of it LONG almost a year before it came out

So where's the Mazdaspeed 3 pics? they don't care? In this day and age of the internet, I think it would only be smart of them to release a few pictures, and see what people think before making 1000's of them

[mike_moss]

There are one set of 3 spy shots.

[menus87]

gotta 06 hatch and use to have a sedan protege

im goin with the hatch

[altspace]

Dual exhaust, MS6 wheels....hmmm......

http://www.altspace.com/auto/ms3.jpg

[Option]

Where'd that pic come from? Is it a photoshop?

[oldzoomer]

hmmm...looks fake

[nate0123]

I smell photochop - not a bad job though

[Matrix]

Sedan. More chassis stiffness. I had a Ford Probe GT once, and hatch flex caused so many creaks and groans it was driving me insane.

A rear strut tower bar would eliminate most of the utility of a wagon anyway.

Since it doesn't look like the Mazdaspeed3 will have AWD, I'll be hanging on to my MSP.

[goldwing2000]

Nice. Compare a 2006 car to 1992 technology. :rolleyes:

The 3 is light years ahead of the Probe (and even the Protege) in chassis rigidity.

Besides... looks like it's going to be a hatch, so this poll is now useless.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123625613

[Matrix]

Nice. Compare a 2006 car to 1992 technology. :rolleyes:

The 3 is light years ahead of the Probe (and even the Protege) in chassis rigidity.

I guess should elaborate.

The point I was trying to make was that a sedan will almost always have more chassis rigidity under stress than a hatch or wagon. The sedan will have more reinforcement behind the back seat and less mass at the outer edge of the vehicle (less mass at ends = better handling).

The reason I brought up the ProbeGT (although I didn't explain it well enough) was not because I was comparing it to the 3. I brought it up because the MX-6 was the coupe version of the Probe. The MX-6 had a much more rigid chassis that didn't flex or groan like its hatch counterpart, the Probe. I sometimes regretted not getting an MX-6 instead of the Probe GT.

So it stands to reason that the sedan version of the 3 will have more chassis rigidity and will handle better than a 3 wagon. So now you see that I was not comparing my old 95 Probe GT to a 2006 Mazda3. I was comparing a Mazda3 sedan to a Mazda3 wagon.


TA-DAA!

[Gambino]

Nice. Compare a 2006 car to 1992 technology. :rolleyes:

The 3 is light years ahead of the Probe (and even the Protege) in chassis rigidity.

Besides... looks like it's going to be a hatch, so this poll is now useless.

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123625613
haha, I think the poll was useless from the beginning! unless there are official mazda designers cruising through this forum!

[goldwing2000]

I guess should elaborate...

(blah)

... So it stands to reason that the sedan version of the 3 will have more chassis rigidity and will handle better than a 3 wagon. So now you see that I was not comparing my old 95 Probe GT to a 2006 Mazda3. I was comparing a Mazda3 sedan to a Mazda3 wagon.

TA-DAA!

K. I don't agree that it stands to reason, though.

The fact still remains that you're comparing the difference between two vehicles from more than 10 years ago to two vehicles from today. I haven't heard any negative comparisons between the Mazda3 hatch and sedan.

AND even if there is any negligible difference in the handling of the two cars, Mazda is going to build the one that they think is going to sell better.

They've already made two Speed sedans and a roadster, it's time for a hatch.

Now... when they make a Speed MPV, then we can all roll our eyes at them!

[Gambino]

speed mpv......that will be a glorious day!

[Puckpimp71]

When NHL Allstar weekend came down here to SoFla they had a vortech kit on a Dodge Caravan. I'd rock it any day. I think Kenne-Bell also came out with an Escape/Tribute kit that could be fitted to an MPV.

[Matrix]

yakkity yak yak yak

Fluff it up all you want to. Bottom line is this: The hatch is longer, heavier, has more wieght outside of the wheelbase, and has less chassis bracing. The sedan will handle better, hands down. I didn't argue about which model will sell better - just that the sedan will handle better. We all try to make ourselves feel better about our purchases, but you've got to be realistic.

[Gambino]

Fluff it up all you want to. Bottom line is this: The hatch is longer, heavier, has more wieght outside of the wheelbase, and has less chassis bracing. The sedan will handle better, hands down. I didn't argue about which model will sell better - just that the sedan will handle better. We all try to make ourselves feel better about our purchases, but you've got to be realistic.
Actually, if I remember correctly the hatch is several inches SHORTER than the sedan. I dont think the weight difference is even very negligible at all. I have to agree with goldwing on this one. And I have a sedan, so I am not trying to make myself feel any better

[Mounty]

speed mpv......that will be a glorious day!

Mazdaspeed5!!! Watch out for the turbo soccer moms!

[Gambino]

Here are some specs straight from mazdausa.

Sedan length - 178.7 inches Sedan weight - 2758 lbs

Hatch length - 176.6 inches Hatch weight - 2808 lbs

so with a weight difference of 50 lbs, I dont think thats really enough to make a difference. Its no different from a full tank of gas vs. empty, or even just the weight of the person

[Matrix]

Have you driven both? In my opinion, the sedan just felt more rigid and tossable. It was easier to rotate in tight radius turns.

[Gambino]

cant say that I have

[Matrix]

cant say that I have

Hey, your car looks awesome. (thumb) It's very clean and sharp.

What springs did you use? And which rims are those?

[Gambino]

Hey, your car looks awesome. (thumb) It's very clean and sharp.

What springs did you use? And which rims are those?
sent you a pm

[goldwing2000]

Here are some specs straight from mazdausa.

Sedan length - 178.7 inches Sedan weight - 2758 lbs

Hatch length - 176.6 inches Hatch weight - 2808 lbs

so with a weight difference of 50 lbs, I dont think thats really enough to make a difference. Its no different from a full tank of gas vs. empty, or even just the weight of the person

Or one of those fiberglass sub boxes "you kids these days" seem to love. (hah)
And that length difference is all just some plastic in the rear bumper.
Big deal.

Anyway... "The sedan will handle better, hands down" is a pretty bold statement. I'll accept that it's your opinion but unless you have some kind of proof (other than your butt dyno), I'll consider this discussion ended.

[Puckpimp71]

5-door was a little off vs. the PR5 on the skidpad, but did the slalom as fast as a 911 Targa. Unless you pushed either to the limit, they both handle very well.

[We Are Ninja]

...I think it would only be smart of them to release a few pictures, and see what people think before making 1000's of them

I was thinking the same thing. I was digging around and came up with these pics of the Mazdaspeed Axela...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/10.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/axela_front.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/axela_rear.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Weareninja/axela.jpg

[Newf]

I would prefer either of those designs over what the actual US MS3 is.