Mazda built by Ford motor company?

[Boge]

A friend of mine told me that Mazdas are built by Ford. I'm not too excited about this since domestic cars don't seem to hold up as well as Imports. Can someone verify this for me? I am looking to purchase a new vehicle soon and I've researched a few cars EXTENSIVELY. I have looked at the Acura RSX, Subaru WRX, MazdaSpeed Protege, Mini Cooper S and now I'm looking at the Mazda 3. Any opinions on these cars? There are problems I've found with all of the above cars that make me not want to purchase. How is the Mazda 3 compared to these others? I know that the 3 is new. Does it have problems that should be addressed before I was to buy one? Thanks for any info.

[jflo]

FORD 0WNS MAZDA. but mazda makes all of their own cars. Ford is now employing platform sharing across their brands

[2K3 MSP]

I'm not gonna get into the whole Ford thing, but out of the cars you mentioned, I'd get a RSX Type-S, the Mazdaspeed(if you aren't looking for a drag car) or most of all, the WRX. I'm curious as to what problems you've heard about the RSX's.
On a side note, keep in mind the Mazda 3 is in it's 1st year of production. There will almost always be problems that will arise over time. The Mazda 6 has already had a few recall issues. I'm sure the 3 will have it's share as well.

[uclap5]

actually i thought ford owns something like 25% of mazda.

but yeah, some shared components but its still mazda design/ engineering.

[jflo]

any car you look at will have its share of problems. no car is 100% reliable and trouble-free. the mazdas are of high quality, as with any japanese car (including the subaru and acura). can't say much about the mini cooper, but only get that if you're a single person willing to stay single. mazda3s are really nice.

[jflo]

I'm not gonna get into the whole Ford thing, but out of the cars you mentioned, I'd get a RSX Type-S, the Mazdaspeed(if you aren't looking for a drag car) or most of all, the WRX. I'm curious as to what problems you've heard about the RSX's.
On a side note, keep in mind the Mazda 3 is in it's 1st year of production. There will almost always be problems that will arise over time. The Mazda 6 has already had a few recall issues. I'm sure the 3 will have it's share as well.
my friend has an rsx-s. apparently, there's a problem w/ the 2nd gear, as they get a grind everytime they shift into it. currently there's a petition going around to get that fixed by acura.

[jebus]

ford owns 33% of mazda
at least i think so
don't worry about it though
the mazda3's engine was built by mazda and not ford

[Boge]

Okay, first off, I am a single guy and am willing to stay single so a Cooper would be cool. The problem with the Cooper is the questionable reliability. Problem with the WRX is the Gas mileage. I am commuting back and forth and want something better than 25 or so. The RSX is just ugly in my oppinion. The MazdaSpeed doesn't have cruise control or a sun/moon roof, so now I'm looking at the Mazda 3. Now I hear they are build by Ford and I'm rather turned off by that. I've never owned a Ford, but I've always heard that Japanese cars are more reliable than domestic. I've had a few Hondas and I've heard numerous things about Toyota, but not much about Mazda. My family members have had them but the've never really gotten higher than about 120000, however, that's because my sister doesn't know how to drive and she's burned them out before we could even find out how long they would go.

I have a couple other questions about the Mazda, is it easy to mod to 200 hp or so? I don't want to do anything crazy, but up it some. I'm used to driving a Honda Prelude Vtec so I'd like something at least that fast. How is the MP3 player you can get for the Mazda 3? Is it worth it or should I go for a 3rd party player?

[2K3 MSP]

my friend has an rsx-s. apparently, there's a problem w/ the 2nd gear, as they get a grind everytime they shift into it. currently there's a petition going around to get that fixed by acura.
Hmm...My dad has a Type-S. That's why I was wondering. He's never mentioned anything to me about it...Maybe he got lucky.

[2K3 MSP]

I have a couple other questions about the Mazda, is it easy to mod to 200 hp or so? I don't want to do anything crazy, but up it some. I'm used to driving a Honda Prelude Vtec so I'd like something at least that fast. How is the MP3 player you can get for the Mazda 3? Is it worth it or should I go for a 3rd party player?
If you are talking about the Mazdaspeed, it's very easy to get 200 HP at the wheels. The Mazda 3 might be able to get 200 at the flywheel, but not much more than that naturally aspirated..

[TpaMan1975]

Ford has a 33.4% ownership in Mazda so there are of course going to be some bleed overs. One of more prevalent ones is the Mazda Tribute and the Ford Escape. Co-Developed/Designed/Marketed/etc.

The vehicle, for the most part, is Mazda but items like the engine are indeed Ford. When I owned my 2001 Mazda Tribute this was even more obvious when I pulled out the oil dipstick and it said Ford on it.

Do your research, I know it bothers some people that Ford parts are inter-mixed.

Click on the link below and that will tell you more. Mazda didn't have the information readily available.

http://www.ford.com/en/company/about/brands/mazda.htm

Todd

[Mxyzptlk]

This is funny cause I met someone last week that is a Chevy sales person and they said that Mazdas are crap cause they're owned by Ford. Damned Chevy pigs.

[mp5jeff]

miss-information PWNS this thread, people if you don't know 1st hand about shit, dont fucking say anything please..."i heard this and i heard that" is really old...

[Boge]

Holy cow MP5jeff!! Keep your pantyhose on!! I heard something and wanted to confirm it. It looks like it is confirmed that Ford does make some of the parts in the Mazdas and that greatly affects my decision to buying one. You just need to calm down! Try waking up on the other side of the bed next time!

[mp5jeff]

i wasn't talking to you(my bad if it looked like it), i was talking in general, miss-information is starting to get out of hand on this forum.

[Mxyzptlk]

What misinformation?

[mp5jeff]

the fact that no one knows the miss-information even makes it worse hahahaha

[Boge]

i wasn't talking to you(my bad if it looked like it), i was talking in general, miss-information is starting to get out of hand on this forum.

So which part of this post is "mis-information"?

[Mxyzptlk]

Post whore.

[Veksta]

i take pride in knowing my ford laser tx3 was made by mazda, not mention relevance as it was made in 87 but non the less :) if australias lasers are anything to go buy the locally built ones by ford were shite and the ones from japan were much better build quality

[MarkSpark]

Holy cow MP5jeff!! Keep your pantyhose on!! I heard something and wanted to confirm it. It looks like it is confirmed that Ford does make some of the parts in the Mazdas and that greatly affects my decision to buying one. You just need to calm down! Try waking up on the other side of the bed next time!
Ford Doesn't own mazda parts...they own a stake...they don't touch mazda's stuff.

[elfhearse]

Chevy sales person
First general rule: don't believe ANY salesperson....they want yoour money and will say what they need to get it$$$$$$

[Newf]

The escape/tribute are shared among Ford. As is the mpv with the windstar.

All Mazda cars are japanese. The Mazda 6 does however share the engine block with the Ford duratechs but all it's internals are Mazda.

All 3rd Gen Protege's are built in Japan then shipping via boat to N.A.. Only the ECU is shared with Ford. I'm sure their might be some little things like a bolt here or a plastic thingy here that is also shared but the ECU is definitely and is the only major component confirmed.

Ford bought 33.3% of Mazda. This is considered a controlling Share in Japanese businesses.

The Mazda 3 shares the same platform (frame) as the soon to be Fuckus....I mean Focus, and Volvo. The engine was designed by Mazda


....damn, gotta go.

[goldwing2000]

Fact: Ford owns 33.4% of Mazda (as of 1996). Ford does NOT own Mazda.

Fact: The Mazda3 has 0% U.S./Canadian parts content. Any Ford parts are made outside North America (probably Europe or India).

Fact: The Mazda3 final assembly point is Hiroshima, Japan (they must have cleaned up well since 1945).

Fact: The 2.3L S-VT engine is a MAZDA engine that Ford is planning to use on upcoming vehicles. The Focus 2.3L engine is a whole different critter. The only other vehicle that shares the engine is the Mazda6. See THIS (http://www.carseverything.com/content/article/1346.3) article for more details.

Anything else I can debunk for you?

[noclue119]

I was in japan a year ago and went to the mazda planet.... All mazda cars are made in hiroshima with no Ford help... thank god.

[Newf]

I was in japan a year ago and went to the mazda planet....
WOW MAzda has their own Planet? LOL



sorry, I was off by 0.01%

:)

Oh, and I'm one of the most anti-domestic car person you'll ever meet....and I am on my 2nd Mazda( 1st was a mp3) after owning 5 (3 preludes, accord, and Civic) all new Honda's since 1990.

[noclue119]

...I'm one of the most anti-domestic car person you'll ever meet.....
what kind of car do they make in canada? what is exactly domestic for u ? (evil)

sorry had to take a cheap shot

[Newf]

You know what I meant, ha, ha. The big 3.


Ford, any of GM, Dodge/Chrysler.


Little it be known, but there are a lot of cars built in Canada. Honda's for one.

[goldwing2000]

My 1980 Chevy K-10 for another.

[Siphen]

I have had my Mazda3 Sport Hatch for 3 weeks now and love the car! So far there has been aboslutely nothing wrong with it. I've put on 950 miles and can not get enough of driving it.

Aside from the m3s being the bast car I test drove in it's class, as you have already heard everything is built in Japan completely independent of Ford American Made parts.

[SciFiMan]

I'm still a huge Subaru fan, but couldn't afford a WRX so I got the Pro. Pretty much across all models Mazda ranks very high for reliability. You listed a fair range of cars, big difference in prices and performance. What are you planning to do with the car? Plain daily driving (I assume not since your here) with gas mileage concerns? Low insurance cost? Racing on weekends? Bad weather needing AWD? Will you trade the car in a few years or keep it for 12? You listed all good cars, just refine your target.

[sndsgood]

don't buy into the domestics dont last longer, i'm going on over 150k with my g.a. worst problem ive had was a water pump. just because ford owns shares doesnt mean somehow they kill the reliabilty of it,


and just a little info. theres a certain ford plant in ohio pumping out tranny's for mazda's ;)

[BlueMonsta]

Ford never owns mazdas! lol..
Fix
Or
Repair
Daily
haha...

ford owns a portion of mazdas.
Currently all mazdas are built in japan. But the technology is shared with ford and its child companies

[1ofdfew323]

i hate the fact that mazda shares engines with ford but anyhow... i have 2 friends of mine that owns a rsx and rsx types. the rsx is stock but already had a check engine lite twice in less than a year and all she had is lowerings springs. the other guys (type s) blew his tranny from shooting nos. Nos his got intake hondata no NOS and the tranny is still comming off on him on his 2nd gear. and this is his brand new tranny.
wut i've heard about the wrx is that they always have tranny problem. Its too weak to handle that much torque or some shit like that!

[canada3]

OK guys Since I am a previous mazda 626 owner I want to straight some things out...The 626 was built in Michigan (which surprized me)......the bseries trucks are built in also in the states or mexico.....the only vehicle that comes outside north america is the protege at that time and now I persume the 3

Also the 626 from 93-end model had the same suspension and engine in the ford probe 93-end model.....and then the ford contour 98 up had the same engine as well.......

Now I am not sure where the 6 is made and dont really care


And as far as peps saying about the part sharing and stuff you are right but its not just ford who does this

Chysler uses mitsu parts (dodge stealth was the first example with the engines)

Chevy has some too........

The american companies relized that the japanese and other markets where making better engines as well as electronics so they went with the saying......if ya cant beat them.....buy them and use there sh*t

[Siphen]

Ford used a yamaha Engine in the Taurus SHO, I believe up untill 95.

[dugrant153]

I believe GM owns a portion of Subaru, as it also owns a portion of Saab.
Same with Ford and Mazda.

The Mazda 3 is built in Japan. The Mazda 6 is built in the USA.

[Mike R]

OK guys Since I am a previous mazda 626 owner I want to straight some things out...The 626 was built in Michigan (which surprized me)......the bseries trucks are built in also in the states or mexico.....the only vehicle that comes outside north america is the protege at that time and now I persume the 3


The B-series (at least recently~10 years) are rebadged rangers, Ford all the way.

The whole domestics don't last and jap are better is crap. My 87 Crown Vic has 250K on the original motor-and was run hard every day, and raced every friday and saturday for a few years. My 2003.5 Protege has 30K and is getting a new motor...

[TheMirror]

A friend of mine told me that Mazdas are built by Ford. I'm not too excited about this since domestic cars don't seem to hold up as well as Imports. Can someone verify this for me? I am looking to purchase a new vehicle soon and I've researched a few cars EXTENSIVELY. I have looked at the Acura RSX, Subaru WRX, MazdaSpeed Protege, Mini Cooper S and now I'm looking at the Mazda 3. Any opinions on these cars? There are problems I've found with all of the above cars that make me not want to purchase. How is the Mazda 3 compared to these others? I know that the 3 is new. Does it have problems that should be addressed before I was to buy one? Thanks for any info.

Having just traded in my WRX a few hours ago for a new 3 hatch, I can honestly say the only two places the WRX beats the 3 is in sheer grunt and 4 wheel drive. That aside, the 3 has:

More grip
Much quicker steering, especially off center.
More steering feel
Less body roll
Better transitional response
Better brakes
Better throttle response
FAR better torque below 2500rpm
Better gearing
Better shift action
Better mileage
Far better interior build quality
Better ride
More features
Lower cost
Etc.

I'm a huge high-performance guy. My automotive past is littered with Corvettes, Musclecars, the WRX, hot Acuras and Z's, etc. It would take one helluva good car to satisfy me with 160hp. This car did it.
-Mirror

Second choice? Definitely the RSX.

[TheMirror]

Ford used a yamaha Engine in the Taurus SHO, I believe up untill 95.

True. From '89-95 in the SHO. Subsequent V-8 SHOs had engines based on Ford's Duratec V engine series. Ford assembled the basic iron shortblock (Vulcan series, I think) and it was off to Japan for heads, intake, etc. Mazda actually designed the 5 speed gearbox in those cars, FMC didn't have a front drive box at the time that would hold the torque. Valve lash on the V-6s is set MANUALLY, meaning humungous service fees at 60K and 120K. Ask me how I know.......
-Mirror

P.S. Simple addition of a cat-back dual Borla exhaust on my '90 added an honest 30hp. The difference was incredible. Common theory is that Ford corked up the exhaust on them so they would put out 220hp.......five less than the 5.0L Mustang. Hmmm....

[bigo711]

Having just traded in my WRX a few hours ago for a new 3 hatch, I can honestly say the only two places the WRX beats the 3 is in sheer grunt and 4 wheel drive. That aside, the 3 has:

More grip
Much quicker steering, especially off center.
More steering feel
Less body roll
Better transitional response
Better brakes
Better throttle response
FAR better torque below 2500rpm
Better gearing
Better shift action
Better mileage
Far better interior build quality
Better ride
More features
Lower cost
Etc.

I'm a huge high-performance guy. My automotive past is littered with Corvettes, Musclecars, the WRX, hot Acuras and Z's, etc. It would take one helluva good car to satisfy me with 160hp. This car did it.
-Mirror

Second choice? Definitely the RSX.


Huge high-performance guy~
sounds like you r gonnna crazily mod ur 3 eh~?? (headbang)
if so~how r u gonna mod it~? i am just interested cus i am gonna mod mine after i got it too~~~~

[Gro Harlem]

Problem with this thread is there is already WAY too much misinformation posted about Mazda, Ford and WRX's being so great.

First of all Ford owns 40% of Mazda. This is enough of a share for them to be able to influence Mazda's actions and BOY does ford do this.

Why do you think the 91-present Ford Escort uses a Mazda chassis and some models used mazda transmissions and Engines? Why was the Ford Festiva basically a Mazda 121? Why did mazda NOT sell their awesome turbo motors that would have easily passed emissions with minimal cost? Because ford INFLUENCES what mazda does. Ford doesn't want mazda's cars to directly compete with their cars. Thats why you see so many dummied down Mazda models that have awesomer motors overseas. Like the KLZE engine came in MX6's overseas and would've easily passed out emission laws. Why didn't it come out here? The examples go on and on.

The good thing is, the fact that Ford influences mazda doesn't mean that Mazdas are using more and more of Ford's lackluster quality parts.ALthough many parts of the new Mazda3 was co-designed by ford/volvo and mazda alike, I'd understand if some people here were weary about the reliability BUT the previous Protege models were all built completely in Hiroshima, Japan and contain almost all japanese parts (some interior fabrics might be outsourced from other countries).

On another note, Why do so many of you think the WRX is so amazing? Did you know that GM owns 20% of subaru? they have an influence in that company as well. Have you read about the new Saab 9-2 model? It is basically a re-styled WRX sold under the Saab name (saab is owned by GM). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, just showing you an example that domestic companies DO influence japanese and other foreign automakers.

On another note, its funny seeing ignorant people who buy Chryslers think they are actually helping the american economy by buying "american". When in fact cars like the PT cruiser, and 300m are designed mostly in Germany and help pay German salaries.

And If I'm not mistaken, I get a huge vibe from this forum that lots of new P5/MSP/3 owners are previous honda/acura owners and still very loyal to that company. Lots of people here seem to bash Ford, GM, Chrysler, Hyundai, Kia, etc. b/c of their reuptation for being crap quality.

Funny thing is, the latest "annual auto issue" of consumer reports shows that Hyundai has come up to almost Honda/Toyota/Nissan quality. According to the last JD power associates survey of inital qualty, Hyundai TIED with Honda for second (toyota of course being first). The latest consumer reports also mentions how Domestic cars are becoming higher quality and are closing the gap between japanese automakers.

[charles]

Dude, Ford has been with Mazda for DECADES. Ford wants Mazda because Mazda can build good small cars. They don't want to own Mazda because they want to tell them how to build Mazdas. The exception is the SUV and TRUCK, as those aren't really genuine mazdas. The Protege since it's inception has been platform shared and copied by Ford, yet I don't hear anybody crying about their reliability. So NO!. Mazda is not built by Ford (except the trucks).

[TheMirror]

Huge high-performance guy~
sounds like you r gonnna crazily mod ur 3 eh~?? (headbang)
if so~how r u gonna mod it~? i am just interested cus i am gonna mod mine after i got it too~~~~

Heh heh, I got it bad. That's true. Not only do I have this expensive habit, but I'm a wine collector too. I'll probably die broke living in a race car with an interior full of Bordeaux. (cool)

As far as modding the 3, it seems like a short shifter will be the first order of business, along with an exhaust. The way this engine seems to be configured, the only real route to bigger horsepower will be forced induction. No way I'll put a turbo on it, it'll be a supercharger or nothing at all. A good low pressure roots supercharger (like the twin screw autorotor Kenne Bell uses on the Miata) would be the way to go, but would also probably necessitate a capable limited slip differential.
Ride height also seems high, but the car is just so darn good out of the box that I'll leave it stock until stuff starts to wear out (shocks, tires). Then I'll start upgrading.
Cheers,
-Mirror

[canada3]

Problem with this thread is there is already WAY too much misinformation posted about Mazda, Ford and WRX's being so great.

First of all Ford owns 40% of Mazda. This is enough of a share for them to be able to influence Mazda's actions and BOY does ford do this.

Why do you think the 91-present Ford Escort uses a Mazda chassis and some models used mazda transmissions and Engines? Why was the Ford Festiva basically a Mazda 121? Why did mazda NOT sell their awesome turbo motors that would have easily passed emissions with minimal cost? Because ford INFLUENCES what mazda does. Ford doesn't want mazda's cars to directly compete with their cars. Thats why you see so many dummied down Mazda models that have awesomer motors overseas. Like the KLZE engine came in MX6's overseas and would've easily passed out emission laws. Why didn't it come out here? The examples go on and on.

The good thing is, the fact that Ford influences mazda doesn't mean that Mazdas are using more and more of Ford's lackluster quality parts.ALthough many parts of the new Mazda3 was co-designed by ford/volvo and mazda alike, I'd understand if some people here were weary about the reliability BUT the previous Protege models were all built completely in Hiroshima, Japan and contain almost all japanese parts (some interior fabrics might be outsourced from other countries).

On another note, Why do so many of you think the WRX is so amazing? Did you know that GM owns 20% of subaru? they have an influence in that company as well. Have you read about the new Saab 9-2 model? It is basically a re-styled WRX sold under the Saab name (saab is owned by GM). This isn't necessarily a bad thing, just showing you an example that domestic companies DO influence japanese and other foreign automakers.

On another note, its funny seeing ignorant people who buy Chryslers think they are actually helping the american economy by buying "american". When in fact cars like the PT cruiser, and 300m are designed mostly in Germany and help pay German salaries.

And If I'm not mistaken, I get a huge vibe from this forum that lots of new P5/MSP/3 owners are previous honda/acura owners and still very loyal to that company. Lots of people here seem to bash Ford, GM, Chrysler, Hyundai, Kia, etc. b/c of their reuptation for being crap quality.

Funny thing is, the latest "annual auto issue" of consumer reports shows that Hyundai has come up to almost Honda/Toyota/Nissan quality. According to the last JD power associates survey of inital qualty, Hyundai TIED with Honda for second (toyota of course being first). The latest consumer reports also mentions how Domestic cars are becoming higher quality and are closing the gap between japanese automakers.
Kinda on teh same lines when the grand national was buitl buy GM.......they only made them for a few years then stopped because the car would out perform the vette at the time for half the cost so the canned it.......

[Boge]

That says enough to satisfy me. It's no wonder why many people are holding the Focus to a higher point than other Fords. I am not a fan of domestic cars. By that I mean Ford, Chevy, GM...I don't think anyone is dumb for buying one, but I am just an import guy, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, Mazda, Nissan...Anyway, you've all cleared my mind about Mazdas. Thanks.

[jscott33]

Ford owns 30 to 40 percent of Mazda - Not the majority - Just enough to share R&D and parts.

[jebus]

so why doesn't mazda just say fuck you ford and branch off?
i'm sure they can cover that 33.3%

[bigo711]

Heh heh, I got it bad. That's true. Not only do I have this expensive habit, but I'm a wine collector too. I'll probably die broke living in a race car with an interior full of Bordeaux. (cool)

As far as modding the 3, it seems like a short shifter will be the first order of business, along with an exhaust. The way this engine seems to be configured, the only real route to bigger horsepower will be forced induction. No way I'll put a turbo on it, it'll be a supercharger or nothing at all. A good low pressure roots supercharger (like the twin screw autorotor Kenne Bell uses on the Miata) would be the way to go, but would also probably necessitate a capable limited slip differential.
Ride height also seems high, but the car is just so darn good out of the box that I'll leave it stock until stuff starts to wear out (shocks, tires). Then I'll start upgrading.
Cheers,
-Mirror

Why not a small turbo~?
dun u like the feeling of a sudden pull~ hehe~(hump)

[sndsgood]

so why doesn't mazda just say fuck you ford and branch off?
i'm sure they can cover that 33.3%

because its nice to have the support.


there are just as many junk foreign cars as there are domestic cars.

[jscott33]

so why doesn't mazda just say fuck you ford and branch off?
i'm sure they can cover that 33.3%
Because when mazda was in financial trouble in the 70s or 80s thats when ford bought a percentage of thier stock. Mazda considers them a safety blanket i guess - Mazda cant just buy out their stock they would have to offer ford a premium price for the sale. Personally i dont like the fact their now sharing more platforms except more Mazda jobs in America.

[TheMirror]

Why not a small turbo~?
dun u like the feeling of a sudden pull~ hehe~(hump)

Heh, I just got off the turbo bandwagon with the WRX. I'm not a good customer for turbo cars, I don't like the vague throttle response and lack of low end torque. Roots superchargers don't have those characteristics.

The engine in this car will probably remain largely stock, although its so damn quiet it needs an exhaust.

[TheMirror]

so why doesn't mazda just say fuck you ford and branch off?
i'm sure they can cover that 33.3%

I'm pretty sure Ford bankrolls a good chunk of Mazda engineering projects.

[PR5Matt]

FORD 0WNS MAZDA. but mazda makes all of their own cars. Ford is now employing platform sharing across their brands
The 3 is a Ford platform (euro fOCUS), and the new 3 engines plus the 6 engines are Ford designed with some input from Mazda and Cosworth (the 4 cyls). You guys don't be dissing Ford. They build great cars, and dispite 1st year recall (they were minor in comparison to what some other manufactures never recall for) the fOCUS hads been rated the top car in its class every year, and beat out all others for quality this year. The SVT also won best small "sports" car. This is JD Power, Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, etc. stuff.

Ford is going to use the 6 (a Mazda platform) on other cars in its brads (it is a fantastic platform as well).

[Mazda3]

The 3 is a Ford platform (euro fOCUS), and the new 3 engines plus the 6 engines are Ford designed with some input from Mazda and Cosworth (the 4 cyls). You guys don't be dissing Ford. They build great cars, and dispite 1st year recall (they were minor in comparison to what some other manufactures never recall for) the fOCUS hads been rated the top car in its class every year, and beat out all others for quality this year. The SVT also won best small "sports" car. This is JD Power, Consumer Reports, Car and Driver, etc. stuff.

Ford is going to use the 6 (a Mazda platform) on other cars in its brads (it is a fantastic platform as well).
Why do people speak when they have know idea what the facts are?

The Mazda3 platform was co-designed by Mazda and Volvo. It will be used to build the Euro-Focus. The Mazda3 2.0L and 2.3L are 100% Mazda design. The 2.3L in the 2004 Focus is a completely different engine. Please refrain from adding to the BS on this and other car boards, thank you.(no)

[AzMz3]

Why do people speak when they have know idea what the facts are?

The Mazda3 platform was co-designed by Mazda and Volvo. It will be used to build the Euro-Focus. The Mazda3 2.0L and 2.3L are 100% Mazda design. The 2.3L in the 2004 Focus is a completely different engine. Please refrain from adding to the BS on this and other car boards, thank you.(no)

(blah) (blah) (blah) All BS here.....Get your facts straight!

---Herb---

[Mazda3]

(blah) (blah) (blah) All BS here.....Get your facts straight!

---Herb---
Another intelligent post(cool)

My facts are straight cool guy.

[AzMz3]

Another intelligent post(cool)

My facts are straight cool guy.


Then as stated in the other thread post your facts, prove me wrong!
It is really sad to see someone that does not know a thing about their car yet thinks they do.

---Herb---

[TheMirror]

Some research revealed the following:

The 2.0 and 2.3L Inline 4s in the Mazda 3 are part of Mazda's MZR engine family, which is offered worldwide in displacements of 1.4, 1.6, 2.0, and 2.3L for the gasoline engines. Also offered from this line are 1.4, 1.6, and 2.0L common rail diesel engines. I believe the diesel versions are SOHC. The 2.0L 4cyl. in the current Focus is from Ford's Zetec line, and the 2.3L offered in 2004 for the ZTS and ZTW is a reworked Mazda MZR engine. Its subsequently been renamed the Duratec 23E.


The V-6 in the Mazda 6 is based on the Ford Duratec V-6, and modified for use in the 6 by Mazda.

Cheers,
-Mirror

[charles]

Why not a small turbo~?
dun u like the feeling of a sudden pull~ hehe~(hump)
Small turbo?? (bang) That's great if you don't want any power in the upper rev range.

Oh yeah, the focus 2.3PZEVs are modified Mazda MZR motors. End of story.

[Entsoft]

Well, sorry to disapoint you all but the Mazda3 is NOT built in Japan.

The Mazda3 is built in the Philippenes at the same plant that the new Ford
Focus is being built.

The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand
side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the
right of the car.

The exhaust pipe has to be on the side of the car that is nearest to the
center of the road, for the country in which the car is built, in Japan that
is on the right, not the left.

[PJH]

Well, sorry to disapoint you all but the Mazda3 is NOT built in Japan.

The Mazda3 is built in the Philippenes at the same plant that the new Ford
Focus is being built.

The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand
side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the
right of the car.

The exhaust pipe has to be on the side of the car that is nearest to the
center of the road, for the country in which the car is built, in Japan that
is on the right, not the left.

Can you not tell by the VIN number where a car is made??

[goldwing2000]

Well, sorry to disapoint you all but the Mazda3 is NOT built in Japan.

The Mazda3 is built in the Philippenes at the same plant that the new Ford
Focus is being built.

The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand
side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the
right of the car.

The exhaust pipe has to be on the side of the car that is nearest to the
center of the road, for the country in which the car is built, in Japan that
is on the right, not the left.

Riiiight... so the window sticker is just lying when is says "Final assembly: Hiroshima, Japan", then? Must all be a huge conspiracy, right? (screwy)

Your exhaust pipe theory may be true for cars sold in Japan but vehicles built for Export Only have different rules.

[m_long84]

Well, sorry to disapoint you all but the Mazda3 is NOT built in Japan.

The Mazda3 is built in the Philippenes at the same plant that the new Ford
Focus is being built.

The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand
side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the
right of the car.

The exhaust pipe has to be on the side of the car that is nearest to the
center of the road, for the country in which the car is built, in Japan that
is on the right, not the left.
Sorry man, you are wrong on this one. I know for a fact that mine was built in Japan. All you have to do is look at your VIN number and if that doesn't do it for you I think that it states that on the badge that is in the drivers side door that is attached to the bodywork. Nice theory, but if the car was for export wouldn't that rule apply and then the exhaust would be on the left side of the car thus still folowing the guideline??? Anyways, why would Mazda manufacturer their cars in the phillipines??? I think that you lose on this one.

[goldwing2000]

Ok, we've established that he's full of :bs: .

Please let this thread fade back into obscurity. It's on the verge of being closed for good.

[chdesign]

Yeah I will attest on this one as well....my SP23 final assembly point was Hiroshima same plant my Protege ES came from and the car is 95% japanese content 5% other and the other is in the glass it comes from germany. And yes ford owns about 33% of mazda, but mazda has been making alot of designs for the FMC. The platform of the 3 was designed by Mazda and is now used in the focus and the smallest volvo I can't remember the name but they all share the same platform and MAZDA deisgned it. So whoever tells you Mazdas are crap because they are made by ford smack them in the head cause ford doesn't make Mazda they just control part of it and basically use mazdas technology in their cars....that is the main reason for any car company buying another...they could care less about if they actually make them, they just want to share in the profits and steal their technology.

[noclue119]

O.K. Have you been to Hiroshima Japan? I have and i've visited the Mazda plant. Here is their direct quote from a spokeswoman at Mazda. "All Mazdas are built in Japan in 1 of 3 plants. 80% of all mazda are assembled in the main plant Hiroshima Japan and the rest of the 20% are done in the other two plants."

In the history of Mazda, only 2 cars have every been assembled/messed with outside Japan. Those are the MP3 and Mazdaspeed. They were proteges when they come over to the US and stripped down and reassembled as Mazdaspeed and Mp3's in Jacksonville, Fl.



The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the right of the car.

I'm pretty sure u are wrong on this one. Because look at the supra, and skylines. They both have the exhaust on the left side even the JDM verison.


Anyways.

[chdesign]

The clue here is the positioning of the exhaust pipe, it is on the left hand
side of the car. All cars built in Japan must have the exhaut pipe on the
right of the car.

The exhaust pipe has to be on the side of the car that is nearest to the
center of the road, for the country in which the car is built, in Japan that
is on the right, not the left.

See thats funny because the exhaust pipes in the US are on the left side the right side, the center all over the place....so that kind amakes your statement null. And if a car is being made for export they have to be made in spec to the country they are going to not of the mother country. Japan also has the steering wheel on the right hand side of the car so does that mean since ours are on the left the car definitly can't be made in Japan....yeah ok.

[goldwing2000]

The platform of the 3 was designed by Mazda and is now used in the focus and the smallest volvo I can't remember the name but they all share the same platform and MAZDA deisgned it.

That would be the S40.

[charles]

O.K. Have you been to Hiroshima Japan? I have and i've visited the Mazda plant. Here is their direct quote from a spokeswoman at Mazda. "All Mazdas are built in Japan in 1 of 3 plants. 80% of all mazda are assembled in the main plant Hiroshima Japan and the rest of the 20% are done in the other two plants."

In the history of Mazda, only 2 cars have every been assembled/messed with outside Japan. Those are the MP3 and Mazdaspeed. They were proteges when they come over to the US and stripped down and reassembled as Mazdaspeed and Mp3's in Jacksonville, Fl.




I'm pretty sure u are wrong on this one. Because look at the supra, and skylines. They both have the exhaust on the left side even the JDM verison.


Anyways.
Umm, and the Mazda 6 which is made in the U.S.? The Mazdaspeed came to other ports, too. What the fuck is up with this shit?

[vindication]

I beleive the Mazda 6 was built in North America but only the V6, the I4 is built in Japan

[noclue119]

I was in japan 2 year ago so up to 2003 everything in made in japan. That was a quote she said.

The 6's v6's engine is dropped in here but everythign else is done in japan.

As for the Mazdaspeed they all came from Jacksonville. I know someone who worked on assembling them. the port sticker all says JAX on the cars

[Entsoft]

Ah thats got you all going (cheers2)

Well have a look at this...

http://www.pattayamail.com/595/auto.shtml

Here's the quote from the above page:
"Mazda will continue to bring in the Mazda3 (reviewed a couple of weeks back - a great car), which is manufactured in the Philippines, and the Ford Focus, which is also made in the same plant, will be imported. The Focus uses the same platform as the Mazda3."

(screwy)

[goldwing2000]

Right. And I'm going to take some third-rate blog as gospel?

Who the hell is "pattaya mail" and how exactly would they know where Mazda cars are made better than Mazda?

[charles]

That's great, because that is a Phillipines newspaper. I am speaking of the Mazda3s coming to the U.S. They are made in Japan. Also, the 626 was made in the U.S. for about a decade. I hate you all

[Alpinejwl]

doesn't our car say where it was made? Mine said something about 97% manufacturered from Japan, then the rest is somewhere else.

[goldwing2000]

doesn't our car say where it was made? Mine said something about 97% manufacturered from Japan, then the rest is somewhere else.

Exactly. 0% U.S./Canadian parts content, origin of majority of parts: Japan, final assempbly point: Japan.

All of the Ford parts on this car (and there's a LOT of them) come from Hungary, India and the UK.

[nautical2086]

Ford owns about 33 perfect of mazda, the only Mazda Vehicles made by ford are the Mazda tribute, which is the ford escape, and the MAzda truck, which is the ford ranger. Everything else is made by mazda. Mazda 6's are made here and in canada

[goldwing2000]

... the only Mazda Vehicles made by ford are the Mazda tribute, ..., and the MAzda truck...
Everything else is made by ford.
(scratch)

Say what?

[chdesign]

Wow some of you are really thick headed......MAZDA's ARE NOT MADE BY FORD!!!! How many times do we have to say that....yes with the exception of the tribute and truck those are rebadged ford models...the rest are not made by ford......the are produced by the Mazda motor Company in which Ford has a 33& interest in the company but they do not produce the vehicles....Mazda is still in control of the other 67% of MAZDA. So if you are going by percentage of ownership of the company Mazda far outranks Ford in the decision making of the company and they are still in control of their own company Ford just has some insite to it all....if Mazdas were made by ford the 6 would be a rebadge ford 500 the 3 would be a focus with mazda badges....and the RX-8 would be a rebadged Mustang....please think about what you are saying.....regardless of what your source in the UK says Mazdas are made in JAPAN.....maybe just maybe in some wierd twilight zone place are they made in the philipenes but just look at the posts people.....

[nautical2086]

Mazda tribute=Ford escape, Mazda truck=ford ranger, Basically if u needed parts for any of those vehicles, they are the same thing. All other mazda vehicles are made by mazda though.

[nautical2086]

(scratch)

Say what?

I made a mistake, i meant everything else is made by mazda. I put ford but it should have been mazda

[goldwing2000]

*sigh*

Ok, I think that's enough on this thread. It should have died a year ago.

(locked)

[wongpres]

I know this thread has been closed (and appropriately so). But I will say that Entsoft is not entirely wrong. There are Mazda3's assembled in both the Philippines and in Taiwan. However, those are only for their respective local markets. All other worldwide markets get their Mazda3's from Japan. The 'Mazda/Ford relationship & Mazda3 parts sharing thread' sticky has been updated and this thread is appropriately closed.