Engine work

[RollinPR5]

I was curious as to what you all have found for the PR5 engine... basically all i got was Intake(AEM,Ractive, or INjen) unless you go custom. Exaust... i got a friend who took his MP3 exaust off and we are getting ready to slap it on my pr5. Anybody found headers, ECU, or Fuel Management? Also the intake tube is 3 or 4 inches?

[2002VividYellow]

Try here (http://www.srmotorsports.com/protege.htm)

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by RollinPR5
I was curious as to what you all have found for the PR5 engine... basically all i got was Intake(AEM,Ractive, or INjen) unless you go custom. Exaust... i got a friend who took his MP3 exaust off and we are getting ready to slap it on my pr5. Anybody found headers, ECU, or Fuel Management? Also the intake tube is 3 or 4 inches?
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the exhaust for your P-5 is NOT the same as the MP3....be prepared to have to do some work to it to have it fit and look like it belongs. the tail pipe is going to stick WAY past the bumper.

[RollinPR5]

Originally posted by Sir Nuke

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the exhaust for your P-5 is NOT the same as the MP3....be prepared to have to do some work to it to have it fit and look like it belongs. the tail pipe is going to stick WAY past the bumper.
I know bro... we have already done the prep work... i cut the midpipe shorter and welded so the falange is still there.. it fits well looks like it will... i knew about the 3/4 inches extra... especially when we put it on the firt time and it looked AWFUL

[Sir Nuke]

cool....then you are aware of the differences...and that is all I wanted to make sure of.....

I didn't want you to get the stock one off and try to fit it up and be disappointed because they were different and wouldn't fit right.

[RollinPR5]

well thanks alot bro.. Good looking out, You know the best way to make an intake for the PR5...w/o having to really go crazy. I really just dont want the car to be overly loud. I had a 93 interga before all kinds of work; swapped with 97 gsr; and the sound got me pulled constantly... u think a drop in would be best :bs:

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by RollinPR5
well thanks alot bro.. Good looking out, You know the best way to make an intake for the PR5...w/o having to really go crazy. I really just dont want the car to be overly loud. I had a 93 interga before all kinds of work; swapped with 97 gsr; and the sound got me pulled constantly... u think a drop in would be best :bs:

if you want to make one...you can....personally I got the INJEN CAI, as far as intakes go....from what I have actually seen in dyno results...they are really all about the same.....I think the Injen looks the best.....so that is what I have.

if you are going to make one...there are a few threads around the board about it....and there are a few guys that are making them and selling them....BIG BEN for one.....do some searches on the subject...you will certainly find more to read that you can imagine.

[eazilyamuzed]

I made mine CAI Drops down right behind the foglight, Had to relocate my washer fluid tank that was over the hole. I used an Integra, and an accord intake, little bit O cutting and I was set! tell me what you think. (Had to do this!!! @ the time I bought my P5 No one made an intake for it.) If I had to do it again, I prob would've waited a month and got the Injen (1 Piece) FYI

[big_ben]

I prob would've waited a month and got the Injen (1 Piece) FYI
The Injen is a 2 piece. Its a 3 piece if you count their silicone 90 in to the TB.

[MP3-Owner]

http://forum.protegemp3.com/members/MP3-Owner/custon%20made%20intake%20small.jpg

Looks good eazilyamuzed!

[MP3intheSTL]

If I was to install a mazdaspeed exhaust camshaft, intake camshaft, and some high compression pistons on my mazda
would this void my factory warrenty.

[Sir Nuke]

Originally posted by MP3intheSTL
If I was to install a mazdaspeed exhaust camshaft, intake camshaft, and some high compression pistons on my mazda
would this void my factory warrenty.

not unless the exhaust cam, the intake cam or the pistons caused the failure.....other than that...you are good to go. the law states that the dealer has to PROVE that the aftermarket part CAUSED the failure....

of course this doesn't keep them from giving you the run around and lots of crap while YOUR car is off the road......

[eazilyamuzed]

Ok so I was wrong about the Injen, the picture I have saved of it was only 1 piece, must have been concept or wrong intake, Well then in that case I am happy with mine!

Also about the MazdaSpeed parts, I had them all installed when I got my new Eng, (MazdaSpeed Less the Turbo Til Nov.) by the dealer and I still have FULL WARRENTY!!!!! Check with your local dealer, Mine told me that if there were an upgrade to anything you were having a problem with (Warrenty only) then Madza will install and Warrenty all the parts and labor. All you will have to pay, is the increase in price for the upgraded parts!!! I will have pictures of the new Eng up soon!!!:D

[big_ben]

MS Block and All Internals, just waitin for the turbo and Intercooler release!
I don't get it. What do you mean by new engine? You say you have the MS block and internals. News flash!!!!!.....the MS has the same internals as the normal 2.0l motor. Nothing new there. I don't know who was lying to you, but you got hosed if you payed for upgraded internals to match the MS. Same motor minus the turbo.

[MP3intheSTL]

:confused:

So do these mods make a difference, is it worth it or is this just a bad idea. Should I just save my money and add the turbo without the mods.

[RollinPR5]

I didnt realize it but HKS has made a full cat back exaust, headers (coming soon), engine management, fuel management, super mega filter intake, and more.. Just wanted to let you all know... i just ordered the super mega flow filter. the assembly is pictured on Corksports.com for the 1.8 but on www.hksusa.com is where i searched and found so much for the PR5

[eazilyamuzed]

NEWS FLASH

Throw the lower pin in your 4th piston. thats what they had told me was wrong..... Next thing you know they had my car for 15 days!!!! Thats right 15..... They had to wait for the MAZDA Plant to STOP the assembly line on the NEW MAZDASPEED to pull me a block! it is different!!!!! I really don't care to argue because I know what I have seen... just a brief explanation though for you..... there was a bad design in one of the lower pins on the 4th piston causing this infamous Tick that everyone has heard about!!! this is it..... Mazda USA has heard of the problem and has done this fix for FEW people, Few enough for it to NOT be a Recall But enough people that the problem was redesigned and fixed, for the production of the MS Eng. I saw all the parts as they came out of the MS Boxes Ex. (exhaust camshaft, intake camshaft) Also Including the newly designed Short block, as well as the PIN!!! 2.0, same schmame, I could care less what you think but bring your Stock P5 to my house, we will rip both of ours apart and compare!!!! I admit I'm not the most "Savy" when it comes to what things exact names are and what they do, but when I'm shown by Mazdas best Technition @ my dealership, one thing RIGHT next to the other, and there is a noticable differance well then!!!!!!!!............... Serious..... become friends with the Head of your Mazda Service Department and you can find alot of ways arround things!

"ain't skered,"
"don't hate participate"

[big_ben]

I'm sorry you got so upset about what I said,.....but you are still wrong. A campany would not completely redesign a block that will only be use in a little over 2000 cars. Stop ranting and think about it for a second. Do you really think they are going to design a whole new block for the MS Protege? That is just stupid to believe. Do you realize the huge losses they would endure if they did that. I am an Engineer so I know what goes into designing something and how much it costs. Trust me, the block is the same as the one in my MP3. No if's and's of but's. End of story.

[eazilyamuzed]

Well I'm sorry Mr Engineer Are you a MAZDA Engineer!!! You are right....... Have you ever herd of a replacement part???? They are gonna need those!!! and the ones they are going to be using are the ones that they now use when assembling the MS Pro... thats all I was saying as far as the BLOCK. Internal Wise Can I say DUMBA$$ they always redesign, and make things better, am I right? weather it be the factory, or aftermarket.

As seen on Such Sites As (CorkSport)

Point Proven!!!

Oah by the way the Pin was REdesigned I saw the differance, weather you beleive me or not.

"whateva"

[StuttersC]

I think I saw the question about the intake pipe diameter size. The stock version is 2", and it works well. Three inches is to bog for an intake, and four is way to big.

The biggest i would go is 2.5", but the CAIs I have seen are all stock diameter.

[StuttersC]

Originally posted by eazilyamuzed
Well I'm sorry Mr Engineer Are you a MAZDA Engineer!!! You are right....... Have you ever herd of a replacement part???? They are gonna need those!!! and the ones they are going to be using are the ones that they now use when assembling the MS Pro... thats all I was saying as far as the BLOCK. Internal Wise Can I say DUMBA$$ they always redesign, and make things better, am I right? weather it be the factory, or aftermarket.

As seen on Such Sites As (CorkSport)

Point Proven!!!

Oah by the way the Pin was REdesigned I saw the differance, weather you beleive me or not.

"whateva"

I'm lost here...The pin on what part of your fourth rod?? If it broke, could it be that the broken one obviously had defects that would make it look different than the new part?

I haven't had any clicking in my motor. So, i don't know what the problem is.

And if it is a redesign for this model year, then it would be in every Protege from here on out, not just the Mazdaspeed Protege.

I've also heard that Mazda might not sell the turbo to none Mazdaspeed Proteges. I saw that some where else on the board.

[big_ben]

They redesign small parts. But when it comes to something major like an engine block, no they do not redesign often. Did I at anytime call you a dumbass? If you can't have a discussion like a normal human being with some brains, don't fucking argue with me because you have no idea what you are saying. As for objects such as small pins or bolts or other small parts that have no affect on performance, yes they always re-engineer them. But, and I quote

MS Block and All Internals
you talk like you have this great, new engine block that Mazda has produced just for the MS Protege. I'm sorry again to tell you how wrong you are, but nope. Your MS internals include a crank pin. Damn, I am fucking amazed. Can I ride in your car. Should I wear a neck brace because of all the power it will have from that "newly redesigned pin". You are my hero! Get a life you moran. Go read up on motors before you argue and cuss at me like I don't know what I'm talking about.

[nramsey]

I tend to agree with Big_Ben. Take for example the block Mazda used on the Miata up untill 96 I believe it was. The Miata blocks still have the oil and coolant supply/drain fittings for the turbo and piston oil squirters that were used on the 323 GTX and GTR turbo motors! They are just plugged with a bolt. They didn't redesign the block for that long because it probably wasn't cost effective. And that was on a car that sold over 500,000 units! I agree, they may install stronger pistons etc but I doubt they would pay to redesign the block for 2000 cars...if it required a redesign there would be no Mazdaspeed Protege produced with the engine.

[dennis_protege5]

I cant find anything for the mazda P5 on HKS website.

Under "My Cars" i choose "Mazda" and under year i choose "2002" then "Protege5" then "2L" then it gives me the info for the Honda Prelude!

Whats up with that? ?Can someone help me on there site, i cant find nothing for the p5 from them. Try and follow the steps above and see if it happens to you.

[Kooldino]

Maybe we should all look into this "pin" if it's an easy part to get installed. Is it hard to install? What does it do exactly?

[RollinPR5]

that also happened to me initially. You go under my cars and make sure 02 mazda protege 5 is high lighted in white then it should do it... i found alot of good things

[Pheonix]

Originally posted by big_ben
Should I wear a neck brace because of all the power it will have from that "newly redesigned pin".
(getsome)

[lasermp5]

lol. neckbrace. I love that :D

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

Originally posted by Kooldino
Maybe we should all look into this "pin" if it's an easy part to get installed. Is it hard to install? What does it do exactly?

ok folks heres what this pin hes reffering to is:


Piston rod is connected to the crank on one end and secured with a cap...easy enough.

The piston on the other hand is slid onto the end of the rod and then a pin is pushed into the side of the piston through a hole in the rod to connect the piston to the rod. Neat idea huh?


may i suggest http://www.howstuffworks.com



Easilyamuzed:
#1. calm your ass down.
#2. your wrong, plain and simple. all 3g proteges in the US use the same block. The MS Pro may have diff pistons to change the compression ratio for the turbocharger im not sure, the ecu may just adjust timing to compensate for boost i havent looked into it. the pistons and internals your seeing on corksport are NOT usdm mazdaspeed protege parts, they are made by MazdaSpeed of Japan and are in reality JDM FS-ZE parts. So before you go calling people dumbass's and saying i've seen differently, make sure your eyes didn't decieve you.



Notice: Easilyamuzed if you still say im wrong on the matter then i will be calling you a fucktard and going about my business. have a nice day.

[big_ben]

Welcome to yesterday. (This thread is from July):rolleyes:

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

whoa i didn't even look at the date, lol. oh welll.

[big_ben]

The guy disappeared after he realized how much of a dumb a$$ he is.

[StuttersC]

Originally posted by big_ben
The guy disappeared after he realized how much of a dumb a$$ he is.


I was gonna say, note the whopping 20 posts he had...

[TXMazdaSpeeder]

i tend to forget to check things like that.

[StuttersC]

No worries...

[Kooldino]

Originally posted by big_ben
Welcome to yesterday. (This thread is from July):rolleyes:

July '02 at that.

[big_ben]

Damn, I didn't even notice the '02. Sometimes I don't look at the date either. No problem though.

[lasermp5]

That was still some funny shit about the neckbrace..... and... ya ...I'll shut up now :D

[Laser03pro]

Just to get my 02 cents in i know its not a mazda but chevy did change the block of the ls1 for the zo6 which they call the ls6. Im sure they didnt make many more if less zo6's then mazda made msp's

[StuttersC]

Originally posted by Laser03pro
Just to get my 02 cents in i know its not a mazda but chevy did change the block of the ls1 for the zo6 which they call the ls6. Im sure they didnt make many more if less zo6's then mazda made msp's


There are a grand total of what, about 4500 MSPs around?

I think there are considerably more Z06s around than that.

[sidpro5]

DAMN, July '02? does that mean it's too late for me to get the "high performance wristpins"? oh well, guess i'll see if i can find them N.O.S...........