who's raced someone so far?

[poonuttybuddy]

just wondering if anybody has raced ppl in other cars comparable and how it ended up. mainly wondering about 2002 or higher civic si race. thx!

[AXPSPOT]

yesterday i raced a new gti that looked moded. I had the oettinger grill and an exhaust (i know the grill doesn't make it faster, but it shows there's a tuner). We were on the Garden State Parkway. He came up behind me and we raced to about 90. He passed me as we came up to traffic. Yes, I lost. No, it had nothing to do with skill. GTI's got more HP especially since my 3 is bone stock. I'm sure the same mods on the 3 will show the same results as the mods done to the GTI.

[Dre]

I have these under my belt:

Nissan Sentra Spec-V
VW Jetta 1.8T
Honda Civic Si
Audi A4
Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
Lexus IS300

There are more but these were the fun ones because the drivers were cocky :D

[poonuttybuddy]

nice...what year si and a4 ya know?

[jersey_emt]

Sorry, gotta call BS on the GTP..those things are hella quick...

Everything else is believable, the Spec-V & IS300 are borderline on the BS meter but still believable

[Matthew]

GTP? 240hp supercharged...stfu moron.

and what jersey said about the others being borderline.

[itz_alan]

Sorry, gotta call BS on the GTP..those things are hella quick...

Everything else is believable, the Spec-V & IS300 are borderline on the BS meter but still believable
same.. those things are friggin crazy.. they are supposed to have almost 300 hp or something.. or close to it at least.. like 260? i forget. but all i know is my msp cant even touch that car..

[jflo]

i raced a mazda3 hatch and pwned it...does that count ?

[itz_alan]

yesterday i raced a new gti that looked moded. I had the oettinger grill and an exhaust (i know the grill doesn't make it faster, but it shows there's a tuner). We were on the Garden State Parkway. He came up behind me and we raced to about 90. He passed me as we came up to traffic. Yes, I lost. No, it had nothing to do with skill. GTI's got more HP especially since my 3 is bone stock. I'm sure the same mods on the 3 will show the same results as the mods done to the GTI.
the gsp eh? i have a msp and i raced there several times.. nissan sentra se-r (dunno if it was spec-v), modded wrx, maxima, is300, gti.. im pretty sure all of those cars were modded,.. my friends said they saw fire in the exhaust when that thing shifted.. the rex was the quickest thing in the world.. even if it was like a 50mph roll it took off and had like 5 cars on me in liek 2 seconds.. so damn fast..

[jersey_emt]

the gsp eh? i have a msp and i raced there several times.. nissan sentra se-r (dunno if it was spec-v), modded wrx, maxima, is300, gti.. im pretty sure all of those cars were modded,.. my friends said they saw fire in the exhaust when that thing shifted.. the rex was the quickest thing in the world.. even if it was like a 50mph roll it took off and had like 5 cars on me in liek 2 seconds.. so damn fast..
Yeah modded WRXes tend to do that lol

[Dave2521]

I raced a GTP and it kicked my A$$ lol!!! maybe he ment just a normal grand prix?

[Dre]

Say all you want. I have nothing to prove to you guys. Somebody asked a question, I answered. That simple. If you don't believe me, maybe my friends (the people who drive those cars) can go for a drive and meet you guys somewhere, and we can show you.

Oh, the GTP. Yes, I know quite well what those cars are capable of. I've driven one before. I know it sounds like BS, but I beat him. Granted, the guy probably couldn't drive.

Oh, did I mention I'm not talking strictly straight line here? I'm talking overall. The 4 bangers were also taken staright line only and beaten, but the GTP, we didn't drag. I'm sure he would smoke me.

Cheers.

[Matthew]

you are a fucking moron.

Your Mazda3 - 160hp
GTP - 260hp supercharged

Your Mazda3 - lucky to ever see 15's stock unless it was dropped off a cliff
GTP - 15.0s 1/4 (motor trend)

Sure he wasnt going in reverse while you were racing?

[Dre]

Hey Matthew, lick my balls.

You think I don't know what the ratings are on these cars? I'm very well aware what these things can do. It's not like I said I beat him by 5 car lengths or anything.

Cripse, you guys take things way too seriously here.

[Matthew]

Hey Dre, if "stupid" was a video game, you would be the final boss.

You couldnt beat him by a hair-length let alone 5 car lengths. he would leave you in the dust. I would be SUPRISED if you could get that Mazda3 into the 16's, and that car runs 15 flat. do you have ANY idea what the difference between 1-2s is? A LOT. a lot you DONT have. you think there is a distinct possibility that just maybe he didnt realize some punk wannabe racer was trying to race him?

go back to moronville and keep dreaming.

[jersey_emt]

Oh, the GTP. Yes, I know quite well what those cars are capable of. I've driven one before. I know it sounds like BS, but I beat him. Granted, the guy probably couldn't drive.
Cheers.
They only come in automatic....so driver error is just about nil

[MP3skaterNC]

The 3 could be kinda quick i guess, if it were gutted. I dont see it beating those cars though. maybe the guy in the gtp wasn't racing?

[Matthew]

They only come in automatic....so driver error is just about nil
i didnt even see that stupid excuse he made. maybe the driver accidently stepped on the brake or put in neutral :rolleyes:

[Dre]

Hey Dre, if "stupid" was a video game, you would be the final boss.

You couldnt beat him by a hair-length let alone 5 car lengths. he would leave you in the dust. I would be SUPRISED if you could get that Mazda3 into the 16's, and that car runs 15 flat. do you have ANY idea what the difference between 1-2s is? A LOT. a lot you DONT have. you think there is a distinct possibility that just maybe he didnt realize some punk wannabe racer was trying to race him?

go back to moronville and keep dreaming.
Of for fuck sake, get off your high horse you cock sucking american prick. I didn't say I beat him by 5 cars. I specifically said I did not. For you information, the 3 runs a 15.6. Yes, I do know what the difference is. I do bracket racing with my motorcycle. In fact, I've one first place in my class two years running. Punk wannabe? If you only knew.

I'm out of here ...

[wongpres]

Ok, no more personal insults or this thread will be shut down.

[I_Vtec]

This is headed for the dumper real quick.

By the way Dre it's WON not ONE when you are talking about winning something.:p

[Dave2521]

I say just lock it, this thread has gotten off topic and out of hand

[Dre]

This is headed for the dumper real quick.

By the way Dre it's WON not ONE when you are talking about winning something.:p
Yes, I know. Thank you. My french accent kicked in :P

On that note, I'm out of here (for real this time). Have a good one guys.

[shaggin'wagon]

Hey Matthew, calm the F**K down man, sya he is dreaming, or say he is telling the truth, i know facts are facts (regarding 1/4 mile times) weirder things have happened, we were not there, who are we, especially you, to say what happened, he said he didn't drang race, he said there was some curves involved, who knows, Pontiacs aren't know for their handling. so lay off calm down and don't read the damn thread anymore if this is the pure crap that you are going to contribute, i don't mined reading people telling stories that are harder to believe, but i pisses me off when somebody is so imature as to just bithch and moan on how "stuid" or what not another person is, so Matthew if you don'/t feel like posting something constructive then don't even post it, I know that no one enjoys reading your crap.
shag' (sssh)

[netranger6]

...just checking here...cuntblister, ass fuck, shit...awesome, no censors here!

[Matthew]

Hey Matthew, calm the F**K down man, sya he is dreaming, or say he is telling the truth, i know facts are facts (regarding 1/4 mile times) weirder things have happened, we were not there, who are we, especially you, to say what happened, he said he didn't drang race, he said there was some curves involved, who knows, Pontiacs aren't know for their handling. so lay off calm down and don't read the damn thread anymore if this is the pure crap that you are going to contribute, i don't mined reading people telling stories that are harder to believe, but i pisses me off when somebody is so imature as to just bithch and moan on how "stuid" or what not another person is, so Matthew if you don'/t feel like posting something constructive then don't even post it, I know that no one enjoys reading your crap.
shag' (sssh)
im not not-calm. i just hate liars or retards, and this guy seems to be both. wierder things have not happened. either you can beat a car or not. its not a drivers race with those two cars, its night and friggin day. lets not start making up excuses about how pontiacs cant handle...besides he said nothing about curves:


I have these under my belt:

Nissan Sentra Spec-V
VW Jetta 1.8T
Honda Civic Si
Audi A4
Pontiac Grand Prix GTP
Lexus IS300

There are more but these were the fun ones because the drivers were cocky

[mp3mike05]

Oh, did I mention I'm not talking strictly straight line here? I'm talking overall. The 4 bangers were also taken staright line only and beaten, but the GTP, we didn't drag. I'm sure he would smoke me.

we didn't drag. I'm sure he would smoke me.

I'm pretty sure that means that it was curves because it was NOT a straight line. So if it's not a straight line, it must be curves! Learned that back in geometry class!

[Matthew]

yea guess what? he added that after i told him he was full of shit, look at the edit :rolleyes: which is why i didnt see that.

i posted at 721 telling him he was stupid so he went at 722 and edited the post after he saw what i posted...what an idiot.

[mp3mike05]

im sure if he had known people would go so psycho, he would have specified. Im not saying he would have won, or he would have lost. Im just saying that later after you got all hissy pissy he did mention it was not a straight line.

[Matthew]

im sure if he had known people would go so psycho, he would have specified. Im not saying he would have won, or he would have lost. Im just saying that later after you got all hissy pissy he did mention it was not a straight line.
of course he did. we showed him how silly his claim was, so suddenly it wasnt a race it was more of a slalom course :rolleyes:

stick around for awhile and see how these bullshit posters work before you defend them.

[mp5jeff]

lol he edited it, thats awesome, next it will be "oh ya a car pulled out in front of the guy in the gtp while we were on that turn there"...

[mp3mike05]

oh well i dont really care if its complete bullshit or not. there are probably a million other things that happened that we do not know. Rather than jumping on his back, just say bs and leave it at that, or better yet say nothing at all.

ill find out what the mazda3 can beat when i race it for myself... and when i do ill be sure not to post it on this forum

[Matthew]

of course, thats the way those people work.

[Petey Turbo]

just wondering if anybody has raced ppl in other cars comparable and how it ended up. mainly wondering about 2002 or higher civic si race. thx! I have a stock MSP and I raced a 2002 and up civic Si on the highway..IT was probably the closest race I was ever in to tell you the truth..Keep in mind I'm used to driving a much faster car then the MSP but I will race with it nonetheless..
The civic was an Si, modded..From what I could tell it had 16 inch wheels, lowered,and exhaust..It was a decent exhaust not some universal job, so I assume it had at least an intake and exhaust..
I came up on him on the highway and cruised right beside him for about 1 min just waiting for him to go but he wasn't,so I just provoked him by staying neck and neck with him..Eventually he just punched it out of nowhere and got about a 2 car jump on me..But I stayed in it and he kept his distance and I could not pull him in, it was like this from 60-135mph until my speed limiter cut in so I just slowed up..He put his 4 ways on and I felt like an ass because it was the first time a street honda beat me..But then I catch back up and do the same but this time I am determined not to let him jump the gun..So he guns it and I do too..I am in 3rd gear at 60 again,this time he gets 1/2 a car on me, I shift to 4th and put him at my back bumper,but when I shift to 5th, my front is at his door and about 2 or 3 seconds later I have him by about a carlegnth..
So I'd say the MSP is faster, but not by much at all..I know the MSP will get off the line better but I wanted to measure true acceleration and it just so happened I squeaked him off..Keep in mind both of theese races were at high speed so it is easier to tell the differences and we were at it for awhile,lets face it, a MSP won't do 135 with the flick of your toe,I didn't think it would ever get there..

[MidnightDreamer]

you are a fucking moron.

Your Mazda3 - lucky to ever see 15's stock unless it was dropped off a cliff
GTP - 15.0s 1/4 (motor trend)

Sure he wasnt going in reverse while you were racing?
LOL.... Sorry dudes, i was in the middle of some physics hwk, i thought this'd be some good practice...

Mazda3 mass = 2826lbs.
LOL... shit i just remembered that all objects, of any mass fall at the same rate. I'm doin phys30 been a while since 20 lol

distance = 1/4mile = 0.40km = 400m

g = 9.81m/s^2

using: d = vi(t) + 0.5at^2

400m = (0)(0) + 0.5s(9.81m/s^2)t^2

isolating for t:

t = sq.rt of: (400m / (0.5s(9.81m/s^2))) = 9.03s

So your Mazda 3 would have completed the quater mile in 9.03 seconds. LOL... maybe u should do that to save face... Then u can say u beat the GTP... but then u'd have a totaled car.... I wonder if insurance would cover that....

[sidpro5]

you cock sucking american prick.

WTF is that shit?!?! Totally uncalled for...............

[Mazda3]

Ok, lets get this thread back to the facts.

1) He said he raced the GTP through the twisties and admitted he would have lost in a drag race. So all the name calling and talk of "those people" is uncalled for, you guys are going out of your way to find someone to argue with.

2) The Mazda3 is faster than a couple of you people realize. The sedan weighs only 2750lbs in GT trim and is capable of 15.5-15.7 1/4 mile times.

3) The IS300 and SPEC V run mid to high 15's so those races are all driver. The Jetta, Civic, and A4 are no match for the Mazda 3, so those stories check out good as well.

So it seems everything in Dre's post checks fine with me.

Only real race I had so far was against a Matrix XR, I inhaled him so bad its not even worth discussing.

[mp5jeff]

mazda3-- if you look he edited the post after he realize he was caught in a lie and added the twisties part...when racing the gtp im talking about.

[jflo]

LOL.... Sorry dudes, i was in the middle of some physics hwk, i thought this'd be some good practice...

Mazda3 mass = 2826lbs.
LOL... shit i just remembered that all objects, of any mass fall at the same rate. I'm doin phys30 been a while since 20 lol

distance = 1/4mile = 0.40km = 400m

g = 9.81m/s^2

using: d = vi(t) + 0.5at^2

400m = (0)(0) + 0.5s(9.81m/s^2)t^2

isolating for t:

t = sq.rt of: (400m / (0.5s(9.81m/s^2))) = 9.03s

So your Mazda 3 would have completed the quater mile in 9.03 seconds. LOL... maybe u should do that to save face... Then u can say u beat the GTP... but then u'd have a totaled car.... I wonder if insurance would cover that....isn't it funny how cars don't have the same acceleration as gravity ? don't forget that cars are powered by engines that consume fuel, not potential energy. so no, 9.03s wouldn't be accurate for the 1/4 mile for a mazda3.

[jflo]

oh yeah, that formula you just posted solved the amount of time it would take for the mazda3 if it were dropped at a height of 400m. so you're right, a mazda3 would do the 1/4 mile in 9.03s, if the 1/4 mile was a vertical one.

[alexlitov]

Only real race I had so far was against a Matrix XR, I inhaled him so bad its not even worth discussing.

Don't they weight a lot ???

[Mazda3]

Don't they weight a lot ???
They weigh about 2850lbs. The XR only has 130 HP, thats why it wasn't close.

[Mazda3]

mazda3-- if you look he edited the post after he realize he was caught in a lie and added the twisties part...when racing the gtp im talking about.
I noticed that, I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't offer details on any of the races he mentioned.

That quote in your sig by philly orange is hilarious, sorry I missed that thread.

[Siphen]

you cock sucking american prick.

I would like to take a moment and invite everyone to visualise a cock sucking american prick. . .














I guess it would be a penis drapped in a flag sucking on another penis!? How odd (lurk)

[frenzy2223]

I would rather be a cock sucking American prick than anything else!!! If I had to be one!!! (usa) (bj)

[mp3mike05]

I would rather be a cock sucking American prick than anything else!!! If I had to be one!!! (usa) (bj)


(werd)

[jersey_emt]

Ok, lets get this thread back to the facts.

The IS300 and SPEC V run mid to high 15's so those races are all driver. The Jetta, Civic, and A4 are no match for the Mazda 3, so those stories check out good as well.

Since we're going back to the facts:

IS300 runs low to mid 15's.
Spec-V runs mid 15's.
Jetta 1.8T and Civic SI run mid to high 15's.
A4 1.8T run low 16's.

So, the IS300 and Spec-V is borderline BS.

Jetta 1.8T and Civic SI are very evenly matched...it's a drivers face.
A4 shouldn't be a problem, but it still would be fairly close.

[blman]

The Jetta and Audi 1.8t make alot more torque ,I believe over 170 under 2000rpm. This is one of the things that will get you out of a corner quickly (most of us mere mortal slow down then power out of a turn). So these 2 car would also be hard to beat. Seems like it comes down to a drivers race. And on another note are you guy's crazy street racing, take it to the track.

[wackamole86]

the 3hatch back running 15s...???? no...i ran mine in 10 so dont talk about what you dont know

[Matthew]

the 3hatch back running 15s...???? no...i ran mine in 10 so dont talk about what you dont know
ok nevermind, YOU are the biggest moron if you are saying that you ran a 10s quarter. maybe an EIGHTH but not a fucking quarter.

[Mazda3]

ok nevermind, YOU are the biggest moron if you are saying that you ran a 10s quarter. maybe an EIGHTH but not a fucking quarter.

I think he meant he ran around his car 10 times (rofl)

[Matthew]

i sure hope so.

[MidnightDreamer]

Maybe he drove it off a cliff?

[Matthew]

thats along the lines of what i mentioned earlier.

[wackamole86]

you guys diss the mazda 3 so much...why are you even in this part of the fourm then...just because someone goes faster then you no need to try and shit on them

[mp3mike05]

maybe he was just kidding

[wackamole86]

and if you're talking about laps...im not...im talking about drag 0-60 in 10 seconds

[Matthew]

(rofl)

you think 0-60 in ten seconds is good?

(rofl)

[wackamole86]

never said it was good..im just saying its not 15

[I_Vtec]

and if you're talking about laps...im not...im talking about drag 0-60 in 10 seconds
WOW! I wish my MSP would do 0-60 that quickly.

[jersey_emt]

never said it was good..im just saying its not 15
The 15 seconds was for the 1/4 mile not 0-60

[MidnightDreamer]

LOL... I'm not sure what we're talking about anymore... The 2.3l 3 is capable of 7.4 seconds 0 - 60mph... Maybe he has really short and stubby legs...

[Matthew]

never said it was good..im just saying its not 15
dude we are talking about quarter miles times.

this is a diagram showing the relationship between where this discussion is and you are in terms of cluelessness

-----------------> TOPIC & the rest of the intelligent people in this thread
























































-----------------> you.

[wackamole86]

nah...i dident floor it all the way down...lol but anyway i have a question..where is a good site for mazdaspeed parts?

[hi-perf]

you didnt win against any of those cars.

ps: bring it to the track please, then talk.

[Matthew]

lol but anyway i have a question..where is a good site for mazdaspeed parts?
(bike)

[Mazda3]

Just when you think you've come already met the dumbest person on the Internet.(doh)

[mp3mike05]

im talking about drag 0-60 in 10 seconds
hahaha well my 91 honda accord lx does 0-60 in 12, and its an automatic. And i am proud to say, thats horrible. If the mazda3 was doing 10 0-60's there is no way in hell it could ever beat any of those cars

[Matthew]

weve already determined his intelligence level.

[yac2727]

hahaha well my 91 honda accord lx does 0-60 in 12, and its an automatic. And i am proud to say, thats horrible. If the mazda3 was doing 10 0-60's there is no way in hell it could ever beat any of those cars
No, wait seriously, I did 0-60 in 4.2 seconds with my new Mazda 3 timed at the TRACK in Homestead Florida!!! (nana)




















Wait, oh, your talking about 0-60 miles an hour? I thought you meant how fast I got from 0-60 feet! I guess I'm the stupidest person on the internet!!

(evil)

[MSPRO]

I raced a 2000 Si tonight and stomped on him several times. He just kept coming back for more lol. Then finally when I got off at the exit he pulled up next to me and was like "Is that turbo, its friggin sweet" Needless to say I was pretty happy. We did 3rd gear pulls and I took him by 3-4 cars, but I didn't go that fast and only made it partway through 4th gear. It was pretty modded too and he still looked like he wasn't trying :)

[wackamole86]

Just when you think you've come already met the dumbest person on the Internet.(doh)


just when you've come already met??

[TheMirror]

Heh heh, this is an amusing thread. 'Kill' stories are always funny to read, especially when they don't quite add up. Impromptu street battles often involve one driver who is really trying and one who is only sort of trying. That's how slower cars 'beat' faster ones, and one car seemingly 'destroys' another equal vehicle.
Equally funny is the impassioned 'you're full of crap' mudslinging that goes on with such posts. After all, we're talking about cars that do the 1/4 in the mid fifteens here, hardly ripping up asphalt.
If anyone wants to check out one of the funniest threads ever on a subject like this (and the subsequent firestorm of derision), check out the link below.
http://www.acuraworld.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26630
Cheers,
-Mirror

[irish44j]

the gsp eh? i have a msp and i raced there several times.. nissan sentra se-r (dunno if it was spec-v), modded wrx, maxima, is300, gti.. im pretty sure all of those cars were modded,.. my friends said they saw fire in the exhaust when that thing shifted.. the rex was the quickest thing in the world.. even if it was like a 50mph roll it took off and had like 5 cars on me in liek 2 seconds.. so damn fast..

I'm a newbie here...looking at stuff for my wife's new 3s....normally I wouldn't comment on race times....but I just had to ask, is your msp stock?

If so, what year maxima is it that you beat, exactly?

Just asking, because in my 2000 maxima (with intake and y-pipe only engine/exahust mods) I can easily take my wife's 3s, and have only lost at the track once to a msp (and he was modded to the max, blowing high psi)....stock msp will not beat any 5-gen maxima (2k-2k3) 5-speed. 2k-2k1 maxima has the VQ30 but the 2k2-3 maxima with the VQ35 will absolutely destroy a msp.

and in the high end a 5th-gen max will kill a msp no problem. My wife's 3s and my brothers msp are both fun cars to drive, no doubt. but there's no replacement for displacement.....

oh...and if the WRX beat you then the maxima would have beat you. A stock VQ35 maxima beats a stock WRX by 2 carlengths in the quarter.

[Matthew]

i beat my friends altima, stock though. 3.5se

[irish44j]

i beat my friends altima, stock though. 3.5se

track or street?
last time at the track a bone-stock 3.5 Alti was running low to mid 14's. btw manual not autotragic.

I am assuming you are pretty modded if you are beating a 3.5 Alti, even a stock one, unless he is both an automatic and a bad driver....

what are you running?

[irish44j]

nevermind...I saw on your cardomain site what you are running...

what do you run....mid-high 13's?
You can definitely beat a stock max or alti....no problem. My max puts down about 200 to the wheels and weighs alot more than your whip.

not likely you can beat my boy's Turbo 2k1 max pushin 370 to the wheels....damn it must be nice for him (and you) with that turbo...

[Matthew]

yea its nice im no where near 370 lol. i go to the dyno next weekend hopefully, though i may not go...im waiting for this mpi tuner so i can tune my car and i would hate to go to the dyno and dyno like 190whp or something then gain like 20whp after tuning etc. but i figure im around 200whp some where. beau from MAMotorsports doesnt have quite the same setup but at 6psi he has dynoed as high as 189whp. so 2 more psi i figure i should be close to 200.

[MidnightDreamer]

Dude... I respect the Maxima for what it is... You're proally right about being able to beat a stock MSP... but lets face it... The 3, and the Protege were never really meant to be fast straighline cars... Drag racing's fun... but most of it is in the numbers... A 170hp car won't beat a 255hp car (i know the max is heavier, but still, generally) unless the 255hp guy can't drive... I bet the Maxima coulnd't pace a P5 on track.

BTW... who said they beat a 3.5 Altima Stock??? They're faster than the top of the line Maxima... I doubt you beat this guy... even if he was running auto, there's only like a half sec difference 0-60...

BTW... has anyone calculated the physics for something like that? Lets say a car takes 9s to hit 100kph... and another car takes 9.5s. How much further behind will the 9.5s car be when the first car hits 100kph? BTW... 100kph is 27.7m/s if anyone really wants to work this out.

[Matthew]

i beat a STOCK 3.5 altima, not my protege5 stock. its my friends...5spd. (shrug)

[irish44j]

Dude... I respect the Maxima for what it is... You're proally right about being able to beat a stock MSP... but lets face it... The 3, and the Protege were never really meant to be fast straighline cars... Drag racing's fun... but most of it is in the numbers... A 170hp car won't beat a 255hp car (i know the max is heavier, but still, generally) unless the 255hp guy can't drive... I bet the Maxima coulnd't pace a P5 on track.

BTW... who said they beat a 3.5 Altima Stock??? They're faster than the top of the line Maxima... I doubt you beat this guy... even if he was running auto, there's only like a half sec difference 0-60...

BTW... has anyone calculated the physics for something like that? Lets say a car takes 9s to hit 100kph... and another car takes 9.5s. How much further behind will the 9.5s car be when the first car hits 100kph? BTW... 100kph is 27.7m/s if anyone really wants to work this out.

Sorry...again I'm a newbie to Mazda thanx to my wife's 3s....anyhow, I was referring to my own maxima, a 2k model (VQ30 engine puts down 222 hp stock, and about 235 with my limited mods to it). The 255 hp maxima is the 2k2-3 models with the VQ35 engine, wayyyy more torque than mine as well. As to track....you're probably right, at least stock for stock. My wife's 3 stock probably holds the road on switchbacks about as well as my maxima with RSB, FSTB, and front frame connectors, plus 235-width rubber.

The maxima is a boat with the stock suspension, but a few bolt ons and it can be tightened up big time. That said, the msp (and the3) are much lighter and therefore have less momentum to the sides in corners.

As to total track (say some switchbacks and some longer straights) I give the edge to maxima....the VQ35 have so much muscle all the way through the range it's sick. Now, on an autocross course the MSP probably has the edge bc its at slower speeds...

\BTW the 3.5 Altima has the SAME engine as the 2k2-2k4 maximas (the VQ30)...tuned down just a little. 3.5 Alti runs 10 less hp than the maxima of the same year, but is also "slightly" lighter. between the two, it's a driver's race.

Though I don't really like the Altima, I will point out that several major testing/automotive publications have rated it as the "fastest front-wheel drive production car ever built".....

so stock for stock, you can't beat it for straightline speed.

Anyways, I'm jsut trying to learn about the mazdas....besides my wife's 3s, there is s MSP, a regular protege, a Protege5, and a RX8 in my neighborhood. Plus my boss just dropped a S/C in his old Miata......

[MidnightDreamer]

Yea, you seem to know your stuff. I'd proally agree with you that the Maxima could muscle it's way on the track, but I'm still inclined to say that a MSP would pull a better track time than a Maxima... Also, are then new Altima's 250hp now? I heard they got a slight boost. BTW, how's the wife's 3?

[irish44j]

she loves it.....in fact I am rarely "allowed" to drive it!

Anyhow I love the way the 3 handles, esp with the 's" package.....but it's kind of hard to re-adjust to a 4cyl feel since I drive the torquey maxima every day. The 3's a fun car though, and far superior in handling and accelleration than all of the other cars in its class (Civic, Sentra, etc...)

Although I have to ask why the hell Mazda put the GIANT Mazda logo on the trunk. It looks pretty lame IMO. I'm gonna have to debadge her 3....

[LinuxRacr]

Stop the flames people. State the facts, and leave the name-calling out. Not good. Thread closed.