MSP Intake Poll without FMIC.

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

I'm trying to get a poll on how many people WITHOUT FMIC's are running a CAI, SRI or Stock intake. Please help me.

[KyRaceFan]

custom CAI style intake.

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

custom CAI style intake.Thanks. Picture of a custom Cai you made?

[KyRaceFan]

http://www.msprotege.com/members/KyRaceFan/hardpipes3.jpg
http://www.msprotege.com/members/KyRaceFan/hardpipes2.jpg

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

Thanks. No money for FMIC? Or just waiting for other kits to come out?

[KyRaceFan]

Ehh im not the "kit" kinda person.
it mostly reliabilty, and it was over the winter.
I'll end up buying an FMIC core and modifying the pipes i have and make my own FMIC.
Im cheap, what can you say.

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

Ehh im not the "kit" kinda person.
it mostly reliabilty, and it was over the winter.
I'll end up buying an FMIC core and modifying the pipes i have and make my own FMIC.
Im cheap, what can you say.
I see. Thanks.

More polls people Please....

[goku4658]

stock airbox checking in

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

stock airbox checking in
Thank you =)

[mspeed101]

I think Cai is the best to go with if you do not have a fmic but if you do then sri would be the best way to go imo!

[Geoffsurfs]

Cai

[2K3 MSP]

Injen CAI here...I have an Ion FMIC coming in the next few weeks though.

[Emode]

other

I sawed off the bottom portion of my box and put in a k&n panel filter
but i will eventually go short ram

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

other

I sawed off the bottom portion of my box and put in a k&n panel filter
but i will eventually go short ram
Still stock piping right =)

[marashka]

ingen cai all the way, would not trade the turkey for anythng......

[t3ase]

stock piping until map sensor.. then theres an extension to hold a k&n cone behind the headlight.

sri once i get cash again.

[MSP#735]

[QUOTE=t3ase]stock piping until map sensor.. then theres an extension to hold a k&n cone behind the headlight.

K&N panel filter......

MSP#735

[Emode]

Still stock piping right =)
yessum

[FunSpeed]

stock air box with K&N drop filter

[spacemonkey]

another intake thread. I have a injen CAI but it will be SRI soon with a air duct. ;)

[Dexter]

Injen

[srtchick]

Injen.. I <3 my turkey !

[funnylittlman]

Stock Box, OEM filter from when the car was brand new.... probably needs replaced

[BremertonMSP]

Home made CAI

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/showthread.php?t=21926&highlight=home+made+cai

[BOOSTR]

INJEN CAI.(2thumbs) O WHAT A RUSH!

[MetalSpeed]

Injen CAI (lurk)

[ThrillRide]

stock with k&n drop in

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

Nice everyone... Keep them coming. Thanks for all your help =)

[noclue119]

Stock... Looking at CAI.. or I want someone to engineer a variable SRI based on the RPM. Kinda that system BMW 7 serise developed a couple years back

[AGR]

Back to stock (from K&N Cone) with K&N Drop-in.

[txmzdspd2gen]

BONESTOCK on mine..

[SpeedMcheen]

I vote using an 8th street hoare(butthump) (boobs) , I mean an Injen CAI.

[z00mer]

Had a home made cai for a while, then went back to stock w/ k&n panel. Waiting for some one to produce a cai or sri to my liking.
Check www.henryvo.com (http://www.henryvo.com) to see how to make your own cai.

[Rich24km]

Stock box k&n panel filter....stock pipes.....getting cold air eventually

[FSDET]

Injen Cai. Ion FMIC in a month or so

[Black Majik MSP]

stock airbox for now...the only intake I'd buy is the SRI that comes with the iON CAI (or the Billet Design SRI :mad: )

[Swerny]

Injen CAI, Corksport Exhaust. No FMIC for me.

[ONRAILS]

I think Cai is the best to go with if you do not have a fmic but if you do then sri would be the best way to go imo!
I've been hearing that... why is it better to go with SRI with a FMIC? I am trying to decide about the side or front mount, but I do already have a CAI.

[Black Majik MSP]

I've been hearing that... why is it better to go with SRI with a FMIC? I am trying to decide about the side or front mount, but I do already have a CAI.
Because a FMIC is what actually cools the air, but a lot of people on here are noobs & think that the CAI does that. People say that a CAI is better if you don't have a FMIC yet, but IMO, you shouldn't use one at all.

Basically, you want your intake to flow as well as possible & your FMIC to cool as much as possible with a minimal pressure drop.

[mspchick03]

I've been hearing that... why is it better to go with SRI with a FMIC? I am trying to decide about the side or front mount, but I do already have a CAI.



I was wondering the same thing. I have an Injen cai and want to get a fmic. Do they not work together?

[BOOSTR]

The one coming out from Hiboost will work with the INJEN. Why would you want hot engine air to be your air source?(SRI) With or with out an FMIC, a CAI is the best way to go, in my opinion. My INJEN works fantastic in combination with all of my other modifications. Especially on the top end! WHOOSH-NOT HOT AIR!

Here's an interesting excerpt on the matter:

"Taking the step of removing your factory air intake system has an excellent bang for the buck ratio and as a result is often the first modification enthusiasts do to their new projects. Your new intake will allow colder air in larger amounts into your engine. For reference think of drinking soda with a stir straw vs. a regular straw, larger diameter equals more flow. Depending on your budget there are 2 routes you can take; Short Ram Intake (http://store.dragracing.com/category_products.asp?catid=99&s=23) or Cold Air Intake (http://store.dragracing.com/category_products.asp?catid=7&s=23).
A Short Ram Intake which is often referred to as a warm air intake, positions the filter still inside the engine bay, but at a point as far away as room allows.. Although this Intake setup still takes in hot air, a short ram intake has less restrictions and uses a higher flowing filter allowing air to flow much more freely into your engine. The result? Depending on what you buy, about a 4-8 peak hp gain depending on car and other modifications. It may not sound like much but take into account that you will be gaining power from 2000 rpm until redline, meaning your car will be quicker everywhere in the powerband.

A cold air intake (aka CAI) typically has a longer pipe and its filter is positioned low in the engine bay, close to the ground where it can suck in the rushing air that has not been heated by underhood operating temps. Cold air intakes provide significantly larger gains then a short ram, on some applications gains of up to 15 peak hp have been recorded although this wont be the case for every car out there. "

[Jeff@Tri-Point]

The one coming out from Hiboost will work with the INJEN. Why would you want hot engine air to be your air source?(SRI) With or with out an FMIC, a CAI is the best way to go, in my opinion. My INJEN works fantastic in combination with all of my other modifications. Especially on the top end! WHOOSH-NOT HOT AIR!


I use to have the whole Injen system and when it gets pretty cold out fuel cut hits at 9 psi. After the FMIC we used the extension part and remounted the bracket. The filter now sits close to the transmission box and I don't even hit fuel cut at 10 - 11 psi. Personally I think it's better to have a SRI if your worried about hitting fuel cut or spark cut... whatever it is during the colder days/nights.

[MazdaDryvr]

I put a K&N drop in filter, everything else is stock. I really would like an FMIC someday.

[jurgs01]

I am getting a new MSP soon, but despite what everyone is saying I am getting a ram air setup. I have been researching the effect of ram air on a turbocharger, and this is the only place where people think it is a bad idea. Somebody then said a turbocharger does not take to air being forced to it, but at higher speeds when the air is "forced" the turbo will be working more freely since it does not have to suck air from the intake. There are people running these setups on other cars with great results in my area. If you think about it, the ram-air is non-restrictive which puts it one up on a CAI, but the cold-air from outside puts it one up on an SRI. I have talked to everyone from the local racing shops to my physics instructors on this and they agree, so what's posted on the forums will not change my mind. My ram air hood should be here in a few days, but it may be a while before I can test this because I totaled my MSP, and I am waiting for my insurance money so I can get a new one. Just my opinion.

[MSPinVA]

To you guys with K&N drop in filters.... does the turkey get louder?

[MazdaDryvr]

I didnt notice it as being any louder.

[stucazzo13]

AEM CAI on the way. Will convert that to a short ram for winter by rigging up some sort of custom pipe from the MAF.

[rocketspeed]

I'm bone stock, but only because nobody makes an SRI that looks good. There are a jillion CAI's, but I don't want to run any of them because the weather here in Boston blows. In winter the car is always covered in snow and crap and in summer, we get big thunderstorms that flood the city streets. The other day we had a big rainstorm and I had to drive through foot deep water on the highway. I'd have been dead meat with a CAI.

I ran one for a little while on my GTI VR6 and the filter looked like it had been through WWIII after about 3k. Too much water, too much grit and other crap.

[Professor MSP]

MSPinVA:

I agree with MazdaDryvr, in that I have not noticed any increase in the volume of the so-called "turkey" after the installation of my K&N panel filter.

On a related point, the turkey sounds more like a dove taking off than a turkey gobble to my ears.

[03MSP]

Custom cai

[JALover]

Stock Air Box with K&N panel filter. I am waiting for HiBoost's FMIC before I make my decision, but I will be running InJen's CAI and Ion's 3" Turbo back FMIC and trying to run ~9-10psi boost

[Speed Vision]

I am Stock Air Box with K&N panel filter.waiting for HiBoost's FMIC before I make my decision, but I will be running InJen's CAI and Ion's 3" Turbo back FMIC and trying to run ~9-10psi boostYeah, I'm sorta like this guy. I'm bone stock, but I want the AEM CAI and then to run either the HiBoost FMIC or get the Circuit Sports side mount and then slap on the turbohoses.com hardpipe kit. Together the hardpipes kit and side mount equal the price of the FMIC setups, but it's just another option to keep in mind if you really wanna run a FMIC, with a CAI. Further more,the Circuit Sports piece did do a good job when tested by that one magazine.

[projectzoom]

injen cai for me. no FMIC still waiting for funds

[omega0021]

To you guys with K&N drop in filters.... does the turkey get louder?


Had that setup initially. It was very mild to moderate, kinda like a turkey thats mumbling. Now having the Injen, it makes the turkey sound pissed off.

[mattybo]

In my opinion, even though this might be slightly off-topic the best possible setup is a SRI with an Air ram. I.E. DGM's ram air hood or something close to that. I am by no means an expert but i have tons of friends with all sorts of different turbo setups and each of them use an SRI, 1/2 or so have an air-ram of some sort. Whether its routing ducting to your filter from an opening on the bumper or whatever. Plus you can shield it with a custom made panel of some sort.

[lamp3]

have you anti cai guys considered, that even though the piping is longer than an sri. Its still a much more direct shot than the factory piping thats snaked in there. Also will pull colder air..... has to be an inprovment over the stock stuff...

[mattybo]

I think an SRI with an Air ram intake will pull colder air than a CAI.

[jurgs01]

I think an SRI with an Air ram intake will pull colder air than a CAI.
agreed. that's why i have that setup. Not that it wasn't a pain in the ass (it involved cutting, drilling and tig welding on the original pipes, re-routing of vacuum lines). After all of that I think I have the best setup. They don't make the "ram air" intake specifically for the MSP, so it takes some crafty work to get the regular protege SRI to fit. It gets air directly from the outside (faster moving and thus cooler than the CAI), has a rain guard and does not sit nearly as low as the CAI so you don't have to worry about going through a monster puddle and hydrolocking your car. I think there are misconceptions about a ram air intake. There is no way you can ram air down an intake unless you funnel it directly down the intake. That is not what this does. It tunnels the air in from outside the car into a platic container containing the SRI air filter. This air is no way forced into the intake this plastic enclosure has holes in the bottom for water to escape and is by no means air-tight. The intake will only take in air when required and when it does there is plenty of swirling cool outside air for it:) Now, I have about half of the piping of a CAI, and am getting colder air, and am not getting the hotter engine air associated with a short SRI. I really wish DG motorsports would have made a version of this for the MSP so I didn't have to go through all of this (scratched up the polished pipes a bit, really dinged my filter trying to get this measured and figured out), but all is done and I think I have an intake that is better than the CAI or SRI.

[jurgs01]

It's amazing. I was reading some post on why not to buy a ram-air hood for a MSP, and it's downfalls for a turbo car. That's what got me into reasearching it and finding out that it does not "ram-air". That is just a gimmick to get the NA proteges to buy it, and the gains they see is from the SRI/colder outside air (not air ramming to their throttle body). This happens to work out great for us. Like I said, this purchase came with its share of problems (the modification of the SRI is a pain, and the hood clear coat cracked from a factory defect that I had to get refinished). In the end, it works great and looks better than a regular CF hood.

[solospeed]

aem cai

[mattybo]

Jurgs01 any pics?

[jurgs01]

Jurgs01 any pics?
My GF has my digital camera, but she should get back mid-next week I will take them and post them on this thread

[mattybo]

Kool man,

Just wondering cuz my hardpipes and SRI will be in this week and with all the debate around here, i want to create some type of ram air project. I might just route some large diameter tubing to an area behind the front bumper and run it up to the intake. Then I'm probably gonna fab some type of heat shield...

EDIT: Do you mean you used the package that came with the DG hood? Or did you use something else?

[jurgs01]

The DG hood came with the regular protege SRI. I did use that, but I had to have a nipple tig welded on the piece after the MAF and have a lot cut off each side of the piece before the MAF plus the hole for the temp sensor re-drilled. In this process I messed up the filter pretty bad taking measurement and trying to see how to get it to fit, but in the end it was worth it (works great!). Just make sure if you do fab something up to make something to shield the water out. When I post the pics you'll get the idea.


Kool man,

Just wondering cuz my hardpipes and SRI will be in this week and with all the debate around here, i want to create some type of ram air project. I might just route some large diameter tubing to an area behind the front bumper and run it up to the intake. Then I'm probably gonna fab some type of heat shield...

EDIT: Do you mean you used the package that came with the DG hood? Or did you use something else?

[jurgs01]

Here are the pics you wanted. I still have to get about an inch cut off the pipe going to the filter to make it fit perfectly (it's a little tight right now). You know what the most amazing thing is? My shifts from 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 4th are so damn smooth with this setup. I am guessing it's because the air is already flowing and the turbo doesn't have to work so hard to spool back up when you let off the gas and then floor it again. It felt like the turbo had about a 1/2 second delay to get boosting before I had this setup (must have had to work to pull in air). Another amazing thing is there is absolutely no turkey. Even after I had the dual BPV/BOV setup if I really floored it and did a quick hard shift I could hear a little turkey. Now I can't get it at all(awesome). I hated the turkey because no matter what anyone said you knew if you were a logical person that it was the cavitation caused by the backpressure from the TB closing. Anyone who has worked with sonar is very familiar with cavitation principles. It took me a while to do this setup, so I was running just the SRI till last week until I modified it to get the ram air setup to fit. It was a pain in the ass (and a lot of trial and error), but all those people who said a ram-air setup wouldn't work well with a turbo car have lost points in my book. Physics and logic will always prevail over opinion:) Here are the pics (I still have to relocate the BOV because it is getting hot where it is).

[mattybo]

i dont follow the pictures, where does the air hit the filter? It looks like you have that spot covered with that piece of CF?

[jurgs01]

i dont follow the pictures, where does the air hit the filter? It looks like you have that spot covered with that piece of CF?
Sorry I didn't take pictures of that. There is a 1 or 1 1/2 inch gap at the back of that piece of CF. The CF piece is the water shield (you don't want rain water directly hitting your filter). The way the CF piece is angled the air hits the back of the black tunnel and shoots through that gap in the back. The water goes out small holes in the bottom and the cold air swirls around and into the filter of your SRI for smooth running. It really works excellent. I probably have one of the smoothest turbo accelerations for someone running stock boost stock exhaust stock IC. The only performance mods I have is that ram-air setup and turbohoses hardpipes with the BOV. It feels like a different car no kidding.

[035msp]

absolutly no reason to have cold air intake when you have a intercooler, just more tubes to be heated up by the engine.

[jurgs01]

absolutly no reason to have cold air intake when you have a intercooler, just more tubes to be heated up by the engine.
An IC does not cool down your turbo (the turbo gets hot too). You noticed how your stock intake was set up to get outside air instead of hot engine air? That was done for a reason. The CAI doesn't have good flow properties though. I solved that problem:)

[genius]

have you anti cai guys considered, that even though the piping is longer than an sri. Its still a much more direct shot than the factory piping thats snaked in there. Also will pull colder air..... has to be an inprovment over the stock stuff...

One thing I noticed is when I would switch from CAI to SRI, I would have to turn down the MBC because when the CAI is on, the turbo has to work harder to pull the air in. Atleast that is what I figure is going on.

BTW, can't we just design a three inch pipe pointed downwards with a filter on the end? Benefits of having SRI and CAI...

[jflo]

wow old thread

[MSP#735]

Injen CAI here - pics attatched

[FSDET]

i think by now everyone knows what the injen looks like ;)