Feeler Thread: Forge SMIC

[Black Majik MSP]

Due to the extremely high levels of interest I've seen, I decided to post this just to get an idea of how many people really are interested. I apologize for already posting the main info in 3 other places, but they were all related IMO. This thread is basically just like the BOV thread I started...I want to start a list & see how many people are willing to buy one. Whereas the BOV has already been produced, the SMIC is still in the concept stage, so I'm not guaranteeing anything at the moment. However, I do believe that Forge will decide to make this & if we get a lot of interest, that will obviously increase the chances. Here is the info I posted before:

I just spoke to Tom @ Forge & they are definately considering the SMIC now that I told him these is a lot of interest. The main things they need to look at are the fabrication (since the main company is based in England) & what type of pipes/hoses they would use in which locations. Right now, he said it would probably be an IC core that fits in the stock location & uses the stock piping route, but replaces it with a thicker, more efficient core & harpipes/silicone hoses/combo of both. Price should be around $600, but that is just an estimate. Here is the link to a similar unit (same price & hopefully similar power increase) that Forge makes for the GTI 1.8T:

http://www.forgemotorsport.com/tun....roduct=FMINTMKS (http://www.forgemotorsport.com/tun.asp?cat=tun&product=FMINTMKS)

Lastly, this is the link for the SMIC that was supposed to be produced aeons ago by Protosport (to give you an idea of what this thing might look like):

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb300/sho...0454#post760454

Basically, just add your name to the list if you would be willing to pay around $600 for this.

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3. jersey_emt
4. CommieSpeed
5. Dr.Sound

IC + piping
1. GI
2. b00sted
3. Eddie L.
4. jaxmsp
5. silverspeed80
6. michiganspeed
7. Srd555
8. yashooa?
9. DAWIV?
10. JFW
11. lamp3
12. Freekwonder
13. BILLYBOY
14. d_stickney
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I thought it would be helpful to include a pic of what we're replacing:

[Torco-MSP]

No SmIc!!! FmIc!! A bIg OnE!!

[bill harvey]

First on the list...

[Black Majik MSP]

No SmIc!!! FmIc!! A bIg OnE!!
Think about that though...there are already like 5 companies making FMICs. Forge is trying to provide products that no one else has (like the dual-piston BOV). Besides, most FMIC cores are rated to like 500+hp, something that none of us are ever going to need. For example, if our SMIC is 2" thick, changing it to a 3" thick core would double the capacity (not to mention the core wouldn't be an efficient unit designed for a Euro turbodiesel). Most of us MSP guys don't have a lot of $$ either & this SMIC should be much more affordable, but still be constructed by a professional company using quality parts. Some of the FMICs also require you to swap to a P5 radiator, cut your bumper, or get stuff welded. A SMIC is a lot less hassle & $$, but I'm hoping can still offer comparable performance.

Ex. I know I'm comparing 2 completely different cars, but the Forge SMIC makes 13whp on a stock GTI 1.8T, the same # the iON FMIC makes on a stock MSP...for only $600.

[Torco-MSP]

i personally think that the other compines that make the fmic design sucks! look at all thoes bends and long ass piping that go around the whole engine bay.
the stock location on the msp sucks too not no mention the piping. what the fmic really needs is a better location and piping that follows the stock piping with a dual side mount intercooler so that the piping wont be long and have that many bends. there is way more inprovement on design. i dont think that a better intercooler in the stock location is really going to do that much.

[Equinox]

i personally think that the other compines that make the fmic design sucks! look at all thoes bends and long ass piping that go around the whole engine bay.
the stock location on the msp sucks too not no mention the piping. what the fmic really needs is a better location and piping that follows the stock piping with a dual side mount intercooler so that the piping wont be long and have that many bends. there is way more inprovement on design. i dont think that a better intercooler in the stock location is really going to do that much.
and where do you suggest it go then? Even if you put the intercooler on top of the valve cover it would require the same bends the stock location requires.

[Torco-MSP]

check this out...
they fab a fmic with the inlet and outlet tank on the drivers side.
from there the charge pipe from the turbo comes accross the stock pipe location and down into the intercooler.
then the outlet from the intercooler comes out and into the throttle body.
this way there is way less piping, less bends and more power! yaya

[GI-]

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[GI-]

I think what Torco is trying to say is to get an intercooler setup like this one:


http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/6d/3d/16_1_s.JPG

[Torco-MSP]

GI- gott it!!
make the design something simmilar to that.
do you see how there will be less piping and bends!

[GI-]

Well obviously I see what you meant, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to fin that intercooler. This is what I wanted to do initially, but I haven't made it happen yet!

[Torco-MSP]

all those other intercooler with 90 deg. bens are freaken killer on performance!

[b00sted]

good idea torco...

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[BinaryRotary]

A side mount would be a good idea.

[jersey_emt]

I'm very interested.

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2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
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[jaxmsp]

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[Black Majik MSP]

I think what Torco is trying to say is to get an intercooler setup like this one:

http://i15.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/6d/3d/16_1_s.JPGForge makes one like that too:

http://www.milispeed.com/steele/SFLGTG/SFLGTG0032.JPG

In that pic, you can also see some examples of the Samco silicone hoses, similar to what might be used for the top IC pipe.

[CommieSpeed]

I am SO IN! Consider it shipped.
1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
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[CommieSpeed]

A bad-ass side mount is a great option as it will build boost pressure way faster than a FMIC and our car can retain more of it's unique Quicky-Boostification (veteran mechanic term), while still being able to sufficiently cool the air...BRILLIANT! HAHAHA! AND CHEAPER!!!!

[silverspeed80]

hey man count me in as long as it appears stock for stx ....nuttin wrong with a lil cheatin.....plus still be a sleeper

[Black Majik MSP]

hey man count me in as long as it appears stock for stx ....nuttin wrong with a lil cheatin.....plus still be a sleeper
It will be almost impossible to tell the difference, even if you open the hood, unless you know what you're looking for. Forge is hoping to be able to at least make the top IC pipe out of silicone hose & one of the colors they make it in is black. With that, almost no one would notice you're not stock. SMIC...the choice for sleepers everywhere! :p (thumb)

[michiganspeed]

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. michiganspeed
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[mazdaowner123]

I'm interested, but don't put my name on the list because I wouldn't be able to afford it until the end of summer. I think this is an awesome idea. Good power gains, good chance of dealer not noticing, I like it!

~brian

[Black Majik MSP]

Here is the current list (also in 1st post):

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
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[srd555]

I'm in for the SMIC just as long as that price includes all there silicone hoses.

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10.Srd555
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[lamp3]

Intrested

[Black Majik MSP]

Intrested
That's great, but would you be willing to buy one? If so, please add your name to the list.

[spacemonkey]

Good stuff!...a REAL SMIC.

[instylz]

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
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[bill harvey]

did they give you an idea on when they would do this?

[Black Majik MSP]

did they give you an idea on when they would do this?
I talked to Tom about it on Friday, but as far as I know, he doesn't even know about this thread...I'm sure he'll be surprised when he sees all the interest. I'll hear from him again on Monday, so I'll have an update then.

[kazson]

Im very intrested. but i want to be certain that this rids my car of heat soak for good so im gonna hold off and watch the project progess and judge then.

[CommieSpeed]

Is it true Mazdaspeed is producing a better SMIC for our car as well?

[Black Majik MSP]

Is it true Mazdaspeed is producing a better SMIC for our car as well?
That was ages ago & it was Protosport, not Mazdaspeed. The MSP in Import Racer had a SMIC from Circuit Sport (the name that Protosport changed to after they mysteriously disappeared), but why would you want one from a company that told people for months that it was coming out, then kept changing the release date, & finally disappeared without any explanation.

You can read this thread to find out more about that story:

http://www.msprotege.com/vbb300/showthread.php?t=31979&highlight=Protosport

[Black Majik MSP]

This is currently where we stand:

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
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Still need to hear for sure if yashooa & DAWIV want to be on this list.

[mattybo]

count me in under one condition...would the $600 price include both connection hoses to and from the intercooler? I.E. alumnium piping? or would it be silicone?

[LinuxRacr]

A good side mount IC is very efficient. Anyone remember the IC that's on the Flyin' Protege turbo kits?:

[oldzoomer]

I'd consider the SMIC but don't want to have to replace all of the stock piping.
Any chance this would be possible for a much lower price?

[Black Majik MSP]

mattybo: This will include the IC core & piping that replaces the stock plumbing, we just aren't sure which pipes will be made out of what materials yet.

LinuxRacr: Thanks for the reassurance...I really think this is ideally suited to the MSP.

oldzoomer: You can probably buy just the upgraded IC core, which would be about 1/2 the cost, if that. However, the stock plastic IC pipes SUCK as they expand when you're at full boost, which is what causes the MSP to lose top end. Plastic is also worse than hardpipes & much worse than silicone hose for heatsoak. Anyway, if all you want is the core, don't put yourself on the list...I'd suggest you just hang around & wait for the results like kazson.

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

No smic if your going to spend money do it right spend alittle more and get something you will look at and enjoy. GO BIG

[FBI14]

Im intrested but first would it be bolt on, no cutting ? Also Id like to know what their gonna use for the piping as well. Lastly will it retain the Stock BPV?

[Black Majik MSP]

No smic if your going to spend money do it right spend alittle more and get something you will look at and enjoy. GO BIG
We're not doing this for looks. It may surprise you, but not everyone wants a bling bling FMIC for everyone to see.

[Black Majik MSP]

Im intrested but first would it be bolt on, no cutting ? Also Id like to know what their gonna use for the piping as well. Lastly will it retain the Stock BPV?
Yes, it should be purely bolt on with no modification needed because the plan is to replace the stock plumbing (if the pipes go in the same place, there's nothing to cut). I don't know whether they are going to use silicone hose, hardpipes, or a combo of both, but I should find out tomorrow when I talk to Tom. I'm not sure about your last ?, but you could always get the Forge BOV for $150 to go with it. I'll find out for sure for you when I get the update.

[PHILLY-ORANGE]

no cutting for the fmic bolt-on also and ss pipes if you want you could always put the stock pipes back in and the turkey isnt there with fmic and hard pipe. I would like to see a chart to see if the smic gets heat soak I cant see that it won't I'm sorry plus later if you want to boost the plenty of air with the fmic. how many cars that race have smic?

[FBI14]

The SMIC used by circuit Sports didnt seem to have any heat soak problems and there was a noticable temp. drop as well. How many people are making all out race cars, How many people are all out racing in pros? Most people want to retain there cars as daily users this is the simplest and most efficent way to do so. If you dont want a SMIC thats fine, not everyone has the same goals in mind with their car.

[Black Majik MSP]

Like I said, most front mount cores are rated to about 500hp, if not more. That's great for an SRT-4, Stage III WRX, STi, EVO, Supra, RX7, etc. You see my point...sure a lot of us go to the track, but nearly every car on here is a daily driver & that's just more than we're ever going to need. FBI14 said it better than I can:

"Most people want to retain there cars as daily users this is the simplest and most efficent way to do so."

[oldzoomer]

Good points. My main reason for even considering upgrading the core is the Texas heat. I was hoping not to have to redo the pipes due to cost, time, warranty, and possible accident issues.
Consider me hanging on.

[JFW]

Limited tools, limited time, limited by rules. Sounds like the way to go.


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2. GI
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4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
14.JFW
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[Black Majik MSP]

Good points. My main reason for even considering upgrading the core is the Texas heat. I was hoping not to have to redo the pipes due to cost, time, warranty, and possible accident issues.
Consider me hanging on.
Cost I can understand

Time I do not...it's probably going to be the easiest IC to install.

Warranty is understandable, but you will easily be able to put the stock parts back & most dealers probably won't even notice that you have a different setup.

Accident issues? :confused: Please explain that one, I have no idea what you're worried about.

[lamp3]

put me on the list

[Black Majik MSP]

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2. GI
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7. CommieSpeed
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10. Srd555
11. instylz
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[FBI14]

Majik someone would be worried about an accident after upgrading the pipes/ Intercooler design becasue Mazda had to use the plastic pipes otherwise it would have not passed crash tests. If a driver of a MSP was injured during an accident and had an aftermarket kit installed it would not be a good thing. The best advice I could say is be a very aware driver and hopefully you wont ever have to be in that situation regardless of the pipes/intercooler design being installed or not.

[Horse]

I'd consider the SMIC but don't want to have to replace all of the stock piping.
Any chance this would be possible for a much lower price?

Im with oldzoomer-
I just want an upgraded core with alum endtanks - but all stock piping- easier to get past warrenty inspections!

[Black Majik MSP]

Majik someone would be worried about an accident after upgrading the pipes/ Intercooler design becasue Mazda had to use the plastic pipes otherwise it would have not passed crash tests. If a driver of a MSP was injured during an accident and had an aftermarket kit installed it would not be a good thing. The best advice I could say is be a very aware driver and hopefully you wont ever have to be in that situation regardless of the pipes/intercooler design being installed or not.
I seriously doubt that hard pipes are going to affect a crash at all. Just think of how many MSPs have FMICs now with hardpipes & then think about how many turbo cars have hard pipes...it's really nothing to worry about.

[funnylittlman]

I'm interested, but don't put my name on the list just yet. I need to make a phone call :D

[AutoBox]

im interested...600 with piping is kinda up there but once i see a workin prototype with dyno numbers im in 100%

[freekwonder]

1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
14. JFW
15. lamp3

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[Black Majik MSP]

I spoke to Tom...it's too early to know much about this project because Forge has been busy lately & is just now getting back to normal. They also have to run this idea through the home base in England & the fact that the MSP is limited production & is only in the US makes that harder.

I did find out that if they do this, it will be offered in different "stages", with the first being just a drop in IC replacement (core + endtanks) that keeps the stock piping. That means you can keep the stock BPV with this or use any part that works with the stock pipes (like the Forge BOV). The full setup (IC + piping) will most likely NOT follow the stock piping route. They don't know what path it would take until they decide to go ahead with this & start development.

Obviously, there is no way to know what pricing would be until they get the go ahead AND do most of the development work, but I will do my best to get regular updates on this project.

-Ryan

[CChris704]

Definatley interested, I'm a sidemount kind of guy. I'll get on that list...have to see dyno numbers and stuff before I made a decision tho(rockon)

[BILLYBOY]

Count me in!!!!!!!!

[Horse]

I did find out that if they do this, it will be offered in different "stages", with the first being just a drop in IC replacement (core + endtanks) that keeps the stock piping. That means you can keep the stock BPV with this or use any part that works with the stock pipes (like the Forge BOV).
Obviously, there is no way to know what pricing would be until they get the go ahead AND do most of the development work, but I will do my best to get regular updates on this project.

-Ryan

I will be quietly lurking around then . . .

[servoeyes]

This is one of those threads that keeps me coming back to the MSP section. I can't commit to buying this (out of work), but I can say that I am highly interested. I know that Forge makes really good products, as do some of their VW competitors like Stratmosphere (who I bought my replacement DV from).

The only things that I recommend you tell them, is to avoid the injen when they make the new piping layout, and to put the BPV takeoff closer to the throttle body and make it 1" (ala VW) instead of the like 3/4" - 13/16" (or so) one that's on the stock stuff, or to make that an option at least.

[ONRAILS]

Limited tools, limited time, limited by rules. Sounds like the way to go.

I'm in.


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2. GI
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5. jersey_emt
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7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
14.JFW
15. d_stickney

[doggman]

im for sure in, if this is around 600 like the catback i want to get. i would rather get the ic and setup then the catback. sounds like a good idea for upgrading ic and not having to worry about different piping.

-dave

[Black Majik MSP]

I am modifying the list to show "Stage I & II".

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IC + piping
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2. GI
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5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
14. JFW
15. lamp3
16. Freekwonder
17. BILLYBOY
18. d_stickney
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doggman: The $600 estimate is for the upgraded IC AND the new piping, which I stated earlier today will not follow the stock piping route. If you don't want to worry about different piping, then you are just talking about the upgraded IC itself. Which list do you want to be on?

[Horse]

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Much grass -

[Black Majik MSP]

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Much grass -
HUH? :confused:

[www.03msp.com]

I'm in also...



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IC + piping
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2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. instylz
12. yashooa?
13. DAWIV?
14. JFW
15. lamp3
16. Freekwonder
17. BILLYBOY
18. d_stickney
19. zmzmp5
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[freekwonder]

doggman: The $600 estimate is for the upgraded IC AND the new piping, which I stated earlier today will not follow the stock piping route. If you don't want to worry about different piping, then you are just talking about the upgraded IC itself. Which list do you want to be on?
would the new route interfer with any aftermarket intakes.

[Black Majik MSP]

would the new route interfer with any aftermarket intakes.
It shouldn't...Kelvin (spacemonkey) has an Injen, so they will be able to look at his car & avoid that.

[Hercdriver]

Sounds good to me. I'll be checking in on progress. The Stage I is probably the way to go for me depending on the cost to gain ratio.

[doggman]

would i be able to run the pipes myself. im good with directions but major modifications would be a little over the top. but would i need to get the ic and the pipes to really see a difference or would just the ic work for now? i can get the 600 but i can get the 300 sooner. but if you think that it would be worth while waiting to get the stage 11 then i would rather wait to get that. and also would i be able to get the h-rfl with the hard pipes or would i still have to use the maf and run recirculated? but in deffinitly in on the stage 1 but if worth while getting the stage 11 then i would rather get that.

thanks
-dave

[freekwonder]

It shouldn't...Kelvin (spacemonkey) has an Injen, so they will be able to look at his car & avoid that.
sweet cant wait. thats the intake i have.(dance)

[Horse]

HUH? :confused:

LOL- its slang for muchas gracias (stash) !

[MazdaNeal]

this looks like a sweet idea, im curious though, you stated that its possible that they may use samco hoses? Will these work with this upgraded ic or not? Im definately game for the 600.00 kit, but only date of production will tell whether I will have the money right then and there. Im not going to commit, but I will tell you that I am VERY interested in seeing some performance numbers after the kit gets going. Keep us posed man! Thanks!

[oldzoomer]

The accident fear is that all of that wonderful hard piping will crush everything in the bumper and on/around the engine during a crash. It would be much more expensive to repair the damage.
No one expects that sort of crash but no one expects the spanish inquisition either.
;)

[Black Majik MSP]

The accident fear is that all of that wonderful hard piping will crush everything in the bumper and on/around the engine during a crash. It would be much more expensive to repair the damage.
No one expects that sort of crash but no one expects the spanish inquisition either.
;)
I researched this topic a bit & your concerns aren't as far fetched as I thought, but based on what I saw, hard pipes aren't the cause of the problem. The real risk is having a FMIC because it's solid metal & non-deformable, which is what causes all the damage in a crash. Pipes, on the other hand, can bend & are hollow, not solid. If you're still worried, I can now understand, but I still don't think hardpipes are your problem. Plus, I hate to tell you, but the MSP's average repair cost for a head-on collision (something like 5 or 10mph) is just under $3000 for a stock 03.5 & not much less for the 03.

[instylz]

Broke now! Sorry I'm out :(


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2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. yashooa?
12. DAWIV?
13. JFW
14. lamp3
15. Freekwonder
16. BILLYBOY
17. d_stickney
18. zmzmp5
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[mspdfreak]

Sorry, wrong thread

[Black Majik MSP]

this looks like a sweet idea, im curious though, you stated that its possible that they may use samco hoses? Will these work with this upgraded ic or not? Im definately game for the 600.00 kit, but only date of production will tell whether I will have the money right then and there. Im not going to commit, but I will tell you that I am VERY interested in seeing some performance numbers after the kit gets going. Keep us posed man! Thanks!
The Samco hoses would be the pipes that go WITH the upgraded intercooler, but the design allows you to keep the stock pipes, get the Forge pipes, or use any other hardpipes that work with the stock IC.

[MazdaNeal]

The Samco hoses would be the pipes that go WITH the upgraded intercooler, but the design allows you to keep the stock pipes, get the Forge pipes, or use any other hardpipes that work with the stock IC.
Awesome! I would definately be in for this! Tell me man, how good is the stock bov at 9psi? Should I HAVE to upgrade it before I boost higher?

[Black Majik MSP]

Awesome! I would definately be in for this! Tell me man, how good is the stock bov at 9psi? Should I HAVE to upgrade it before I boost higher?
It's made out of plastic & mine leaked (I know this is rare though), so I'd recommend that everyone change it. It's pretty obvious that billet aluminum is a LOT more solid & holds boost better than the stock BPV, especially at higher boost. It also improved my throttle response a whole lot.

Which list(s) do you want to be on?

[GotTurbo?]

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3.
4.
5.

IC + piping
1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. yashooa?
12. DAWIV?
13. JFW
14. lamp3
15. Freekwonder
16. BILLYBOY
17. d_stickney
18. zmzmp5
19. GotTurbo?
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[AutoBox]

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3.
4.
5.

IC + piping
1. bill harvey
2. GI
3. b00sted
4. Eddie L.
5. jersey_emt
6. jaxmsp
7. CommieSpeed
8. silverspeed80
9. michiganspeed
10. Srd555
11. yashooa?
12. DAWIV?
13. JFW
14. lamp3
15. Freekwonder
16. BILLYBOY
17. d_stickney
18. zmzmp5
19. GotTurbo?
20.AutoBox?


im interested, but i gotta see a workin prototype with temp specs and psi drop etc etc....<!-- / message -->
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[MazdaNeal]

It's made out of plastic & mine leaked (I know this is rare though), so I'd recommend that everyone change it. It's pretty obvious that billet aluminum is a LOT more solid & holds boost better than the stock BPV, especially at higher boost. It also improved my throttle response a whole lot.

Which list(s) do you want to be on?Im in for both man, as long as the unit performs..., can I get the samco pipes in red :D

How much should i predict shipping to be?

[Black Majik MSP]

Forge has the Samco pipes in red, blue, & black. It's far too early to try to figure out pricing or shipping. Maybe we'll get lucky & they will do a GB to start it off.

[SuperSpud]

im interested in the core with stock pipes... but im not even going to buy it, or say im buying it when ites not even out/in production yet.. I gotta see what this thing looks like, how it performs, etc..

[bill harvey]

Please remove me from the list just ordered a wagner fmic.

[Black Majik MSP]

BUMP!

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3.
4.
5.

IC + piping
1. GI
2. b00sted
3. Eddie L.
4. jersey_emt
5. jaxmsp
6. CommieSpeed
7. silverspeed80
8. michiganspeed
9. Srd555
10. yashooa?
11. DAWIV?
12. JFW
13. lamp3
14. Freekwonder
15. BILLYBOY
16. d_stickney
17. zmzmp5
18. GotTurbo?
19. AutoBox?
20.

[jersey_emt]

Please move my name to the 'stage 1' list...I have spool hardpipes now.

[speedhawaii]

sounds good with binarys black powder coated hard pipes

[CommieSpeed]

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3. CommieSpeed
4.
5.

cheaper = better! How much performance do hard pipes add? Convince me otherwise and I'll switch back to the original list!

[Dr.Sound]

hey black, put my name on the "upgraided IC" list.

also my participation in this depends on the final price.

[GotTurbo?]

any news...kinda really excited bout this

[Black Majik MSP]

I'll try to get an update from Tom soon.

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3. jersey_emt
4. CommieSpeed
5. Dr.Sound

IC + piping
1. GI
2. b00sted
3. Eddie L.
4. jaxmsp
5. silverspeed80
6. michiganspeed
7. Srd555
8. yashooa?
9. DAWIV?
10. JFW
11. lamp3
12. Freekwonder
13. BILLYBOY
14. d_stickney
15. zmzmp5
16. GotTurbo?
17. AutoBox?
18.
19.
20.

[jersey_emt]

upgraded IC
1. oldzoomer
2. Horse
3. CommieSpeed
4.
5.

cheaper = better! How much performance do hard pipes add? Convince me otherwise and I'll switch back to the original list!Hardpipes made a noticeable difference in top end power. Reason being the boost stays steadier towards redline and doesn't drop as much.

According to my Vector FX2 the pipes added 7 WHP (average of 5 runs before and after, taken in the same conditions on the same road, highest and lowest #'s were thrown out and not calculated in the average)

[BinaryRotary]

Watch out. They'll shut down your thread, you're talking about a product.

[Black Majik MSP]

Watch out. They'll shut down your thread, you're talking about a product.
HUH? Please explain. :confused:

[BinaryRotary]

Here ya go

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56210

[AutoBox]

mods crackin down on non-aam approved mebers sellin stuff on the forum....binary was told his thread would be closed so its a big issue now....this forum has more drama then a opera or montel show episode (blah)

[mattybo]

mods crackin down on non-aam approved mebers sellin stuff on the forum....binary was told his thread would be closed so its a big issue now....this forum has more drama then a opera or montel show episode (blah)


Hahaha, so true man...ive noticed it and i have only been around for a couple of weeks. Why are people so uptight?

[jersey_emt]

Hahaha, so true man...ive noticed it and i have only been around for a couple of weeks. Why are people so uptight?The reason for all the craziness with the new Authorized Merchant program is to protect members of the forum from being ripped off. A little while back a whole bunch of people were ripped off in a seemingly legitimate group buy. The requirements to sell an item or start up a group buy were VERY lax in the past. Fearing that it would happen again, the staff decided to make the new rules to 'weed out' the scammers.

The thing is, this whole thing is new for everyone, and until all the bumps and quirks are straightened out, things are going to be a little rough.

So people that want to sell items to forum members...just be patient, everything will be worked out. Please don't think the staff is trying to 'chase you away' from selling your products...the Mazda community needs all the aftermarket support it can get.

[mattybo]

The reason for all the craziness with the new Authorized Merchant program is to protect members of the forum from being ripped off. A little while back a whole bunch of people were ripped off in a seemingly legitimate group buy. The requirements to sell an item or start up a group buy were VERY lax in the past. Fearing that it would happen again, the staff decided to make the new rules to 'weed out' the scammers.

The thing is, this whole thing is new for everyone, and until all the bumps and quirks are straightened out, things are going to be a little rough.

So people that want to sell items to forum members...just be patient, everything will be worked out. Please don't think the staff is trying to 'chase you away' from selling your products...the Mazda community needs all the aftermarket support it can get.

I think a simple resolution would be a disclaimer stating the owners of this website are not responsible for any lost merchandise/money through a transaction created on this forum. No reliability = no problem. They have this program setup to make money, otherwise they would follow the lead of EVERY other forum out there and have a disclaimer shifting responsibility from them to each user...

[ghost]

This thread closed until AMM or AV recieved from the admins.

[mspdfreak]

Booooo

[AutoBox]

i have to agree i see no point to close this thread unless he is actulaly sellin something (no)

[EVILSRT]

Closed and moved.

[ghost]

i have to agree i see no point to close this thread unless he is actulaly sellin something (no)
Its going to be closed to to direction from the admins. He has advertized and setup a list of potencial buyers. This means he is able to collect funds and make transactions. This forum is not a free enterprise, and advertising is not free.

[ghost]

Ive reopened this thread, good luck Black Majic! Guys this guy is legit, help him get some of these good deals to you.

[servoeyes]

Sweet...free bumpage. Keep us informed of the progress on this. I like reliable wee-dub companies making products for our cars.

[Black Majik MSP]

Sweet...free bumpage. Keep us informed of the progress on this. I like reliable wee-dub companies making products for our cars.
Here is the PM I sent out earlier to the people who PMed me:


I just spoke to Tom @ Forge & they are extremely busy with other products & understandably, the MSP isn't high on the list. The soonest they would be able to begin development is May, if they choose to do so (that's the next time the tech guys from England come over).

However, they are currently looking into making silicone hoses for the upper & lower IC pipes & the intake pipe. This isn't definite yet, but I'll know more soon.

Thanks for your continued interest. (thumb)

-Ryan

[Black Majik MSP]

BTW, thanks for your help Ghost! (thumb)