help...2003.5 MSP kit on sedan???

[Dreeza]

Alright, so i have the opportunity to get the 3.5 msp body kit from someone who is getting the wings west kit...

its the laser blue...thats identical to my color right? my paint code is 24a...

but the bigger q...how would i go about attaching the front part? i know for the mp3/p5 bumper i need to get extra parts or something....what exactly would i need?

thanks for the help in advance :D

[AZDriftR]

i think its the front bumber support that u need from a mp3 or msp other than that i d/k

[Dreeza]

i think its the front bumber support that u need from a mp3 or msp other than that i d/k
yeah thats what im hearin too..where do i get it? and what exactly is it?!

[Prodigy]

"Rebar" is the only word I remember from when someone converted their sedan. I'm no help, it's just I think that that might be the part needed.. not too sure.
-chris

[Dreeza]

"Rebar" is the only word I remember from when someone converted their sedan. I'm no help, it's just I think that that might be the part needed.. not too sure.
-chris
lol, yeah that is what its called

but apparently i need a lot more too :(

[night rider]

you need the front bumper renforment. u can buy it at the dealership but it isnt cheap. there is a thread in the how-two forum about how to make ur stock es rebar fit, there is some cutting involved but u would save alot of money. u might also need a new set of fender wells. i was looking into doing this but its a boat load of money if u cant get your color- which u do. so good luck and i envy you!

[night rider]

your stock lx rebard rather*

[Dreeza]

you need the front bumper renforment. u can buy it at the dealership but it isnt cheap. there is a thread in the how-two forum about how to make ur stock es rebar fit, there is some cutting involved but u would save alot of money. u might also need a new set of fender wells. i was looking into doing this but its a boat load of money if u cant get your color- which u do. so good luck and i envy you!
oh there is, thanks so much, ill go look at that now

[Prodigy]

Ahh.. I'm glad I wasn't wrong. I remember seeing the how-to awhile back. It had THE LIST of all the parts needed.
-chris

[Dreeza]

Ahh.. I'm glad I wasn't wrong. I remember seeing the how-to awhile back. It had THE LIST of all the parts needed.
-chris
ahh, i cant find the how-to!!!

[natedizzle]

you're going to need the following:

1) top grille
2) bottom grille
3) splash guards (left and right)
4) bumper reinforcement

[hi-perf]

ok let me clear things up

to do a correct conversion you need

a Reinforcement Bar (rebar as you call it) this is the part that absorbs impact. cutting it weakens the bar of course, and because of the way you cut it (to have room for the foglights in this case) an impact from an angle might cause more damage than it would with it.

bumper cover

fender wells/splash guards

grills/fogs with wiring harnesses

a reinforcement bar from the dealer shouldnt cost you more than 200 from the dealer.

if you go the cheap way by cutting, just cut where the fogs would go and thats pretty much it, it will fit from there.

[MarkSpark]

i say you get everything but the front bumper, and buy the wings west bumper and paint it...u dont need any other parts for the sedan version

[Dreeza]

ok let me clear things up

to do a correct conversion you need

a Reinforcement Bar (rebar as you call it) this is the part that absorbs impact. cutting it weakens the bar of course, and because of the way you cut it (to have room for the foglights in this case) an impact from an angle might cause more damage than it would with it.

bumper cover

fender wells/splash guards

grills/fogs with wiring harnesses

a reinforcement bar from the dealer shouldnt cost you more than 200 from the dealer.

if you go the cheap way by cutting, just cut where the fogs would go and thats pretty much it, it will fit from there.
wait, i dont get why id need new grills or whatever...

[hi-perf]

that would look so retarded imo.

the ww front bumper and side skirts have these 'ugly' wings that pertrude from the side.

using stock side skirts and the 03.5 rear skirt will make it look like it doesnt belong and nasty imo.

because of this, the ww side skirts were a little too wild for me so i traded them for the mp3 ones. i was thinking of getting the ww one but opt'ed not to.

[hi-perf]

wait, i dont get why id need new grills or whatever...
i think the front grills are a bit different, the black bars vary in size.

also you would need a lower grill, and come to think of it he'd probably include it huh? i was thinking of the guy that bought the p5 bumper from me today.

[natedizzle]

i don't see why he'd include the grilles because he'd have to use them for the wings west bumper

[natedizzle]

the wings west kit is now $675 shipped from mitch at protege5online.com if anyone is interested. i'm going that route because it is much more practical than doing the conversion

[LaserBlueMSP]

umm, hi perf, i dont think you understand . the guy is getting the full WW kit. and JUST selling the front and rear to Dreeza. Dreeza already found sideskirts so she isnt buying them from the same person.

Kris

[MarkSpark]

that would look so retarded imo.

the ww front bumper and side skirts have these 'ugly' wings that pertrude from the side.

using stock side skirts and the 03.5 rear skirt will make it look like it doesnt belong and nasty imo.

because of this, the ww side skirts were a little too wild for me so i traded them for the mp3 ones. i was thinking of getting the ww one but opt'ed not to.
I think it's the better option - cheaper and easier. It'll look good, imo.

[hi-perf]

i say you get everything but the front bumper, and buy the wings west bumper and paint it...u dont need any other parts for the sedan version
read his post. he suggested to dreeza to buy the rear lip, use her mp3 side skirts, and to leave out the MSP front bumper and get a ww bumper for an easier install.

the ww bumper and 'stock' factory body kit would look hideous and out of place imo.

my purpose was just to let you know about those ugly little wings that is all.

[eting_pro5]

03.5 MSP doesn't have fog lights, does she still have to cut the Reinforcement bar....

Dreeza, here's my suggestion: Buy it, take off your front fascia, try to fit it on. If it doesn't fit, drive for a few days without any fascia, well you spend your nights making lots of duct tape loops.

[Familia323]

hey dreeza... what exactly is he selling to you? cause I have the entire MP3 conversion and I know exactly what you would need.. plus I can give you prices from what my dealer charged me...

So list out everything that hes giving and then I'll make a list for you...:)

[Hollywood2009]

Hey I am the guy who cut my Re-bar and did the How-To.. If u have any Question let me know...I also have pics of how I cut it....."I did it at my Own risk"

If you want to see what my car look like you can go to http://www.msprotege.com/vbb300/showthread.php?t=52724

[Dreeza]

well...basically everything hes taking off to put on the wings west kit...the entire front bumper, and the rear...he lives by me, so when it happens, i can go check out everythin i would be getting...i already have the skirts, so i wont be getting those

[Dreeza]

Hey I am the guy who cut my Re-bar and did the How-To.. If u have any Question let me know...I also have pics of how I cut it....."I did it at my Own risk"

If you want to see what my car look like you can go to http://www.msprotege.com/vbb300/showthread.php?t=52724
oh hey, sweet...car looks awesome! where IS that how-to??

[Hollywood2009]

http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49786&highlight=how-to

Thats the How-To


the pics are all screwed up but here is a group pic

Edit: In the pic I have the old upper gril as u can see that it is pushed up into the hood that is y you need to get a new one becuz of the new bumper it pushes the old one into the hood..

Hollywood

[Dreeza]

thanks! well, like someone said...i dont have to worry about fogs...does that make a difference?

[Hollywood2009]

Yes fogs do make a Diff. becuz the MSP bumper is the same as MP3 Bumper. All it does is add a lip That goes inside the foglight holes....

Hollywood

[Dreeza]

Yes fogs do make a Diff. becuz the MSP bumper is the same as MP3 Bumper. All it does is add a lip That goes inside the foglight holes....

Hollywood
umm yeah, ok thanks, i dont really get how that all works, i need to look closely at one i guess, lol

so even though im not gonna have fogs since its the 2003.5 msp....i still need to cut those holes?

[hi-perf]

yes theres still that 'cup' that needs room to fit.

i bet once you have all the parts you can figure it out, its pretty simple.

[azian6er]

andrea, ill sell you my rebar for 100 bucks! Do it you know you want to.

-B

[Familia323]

well if you have the lower grille, the fog hole grilles, the sideskirts, and the rear valance.. then you will still need:

(inner wheel well)L M Guard B30P-56-140A ~66.05$
(inner wheel well)R M Guard B30P-56-130A ~66.05$
Reinforcement Bar BN7H-50-070A ~204.55$

there is still the wing, but you didn't say anything about that...


OT: Hi Perf why did you cut the rebar???

[MP3racer]

you're going to need the following:

1) top grille
2) bottom grille
3) splash guards (left and right)
4) bumper reinforcement
Yes you will need the lower grill from the MP3/MSP but your upper grill should be the same.
The rebar or what I call the bumper support will be needed from an MP3/MSP. You might be able to get one from a junk yard or possibly the one from the MP3 Lamp3 is parting out would work.

Take Care,
Tom

[mountjonas]

you getting new rims, too? the stockies with a msp front end might look wierd. good luck with everything, though. it'll look nice when you're done.

[Dreeza]

you getting new rims, too? the stockies with a msp front end might look wierd. good luck with everything, though. it'll look nice when you're done.
yah, i have already planned those out...now i just dont know if i am gonna stick w/15s or not


Bryan...you are evil... and how come you dont need yours??


and thanks guys for all the help :D

[hi-perf]

well if you have the lower grille, the fog hole grilles, the sideskirts, and the rear valance.. then you will still need:

(inner wheel well)L M Guard B30P-56-140A ~66.05$
(inner wheel well)R M Guard B30P-56-130A ~66.05$
Reinforcement Bar BN7H-50-070A ~204.55$

there is still the wing, but you didn't say anything about that...


OT: Hi Perf why did you cut the rebar???
i didnt cut it. i advise against it. i was promoting a cheap way to do it.

i think it compromises safety, and that should not be cheap'ed out, it can cost you more if you are in a wreck (damage to the car)

im not going mp3 front end, im going to go jspec sport20 like the others.

[MarkSpark]

the upper grille is NOT the same. It's slightly different. Do a search.

[Dreeza]

the upper grille is NOT the same. It's slightly different. Do a search.
lol, yeah, u and i both know that


but ok...wouldnt i be getting the msp grille though? so what does that have to do w/anything? i think i missed something here, did someone say they were the same?

[Gbourdon]

yah, i have already planned those out...now i just dont know if i am gonna stick w/15s or not

(no) 17" or 18" I'm sure you could scoop some reasonably priced MSP or MP3 wheels off the boards

[Dreeza]

(no) 17" or 18" I'm sure you could scoop some reasonably priced MSP or MP3 wheels off the boards
i have 4 lug :p

[MarkSpark]

15s? i thought u have stock 16s?

[Dreeza]

15s? i thought u have stock 16s?
nope stock 15s...and 4 lug, which is good cuz the wheels i want only come in 4lug now :D

[Gbourdon]

(hand) forgot about the lug pattern... proceed.

[Dreeza]

(hand) forgot about the lug pattern... proceed.
haha yeah, its all good, a lotta people do

[Familia323]

The only difference between the MSP upper grille and the LX upper Grille is the satin flying M and the top portion is colored to match the car... the LX upper grille will still fit.

[Dreeza]

The only difference between the MSP upper grille and the LX upper Grille is the satin flying M and the top portion is colored to match the car... the LX upper grille will still fit.
no, they are different...it wont fit thats why us sedans cant get the autoexe grilles

[azian6er]

dreeza, ill sell you my stock msp grill too. Ill sell you the grill and rebar. Then all you would need are the splash guards and stuff.

-B

[Dreeza]

dreeza, ill sell you my stock msp grill too. Ill sell you the grill and rebar. Then all you would need are the splash guards and stuff.

-Bthanks, B :p although i might just do that cutting thing ... ill let ya know... hey, you guys are helpin me install right (wink) how longs all this gonna take you think? oh man, i cant wait to come home one day with it on and see how long it takes my parents to notice, its gonna be sweet :D

[Familia323]

no, they are different...it wont fit thats why us sedans cant get the autoexe grilles
No really the LX upper grille WILL fit! Stock DX/LX/ES's cant get the autoexe grille because it is designed to fit FLUSH with the MP3/MSP style bumper. Since stock DX/LX/ES front bumpers dont extend as far out in the upper grille area, the autoexe grille doesnt sit right ...

[Dreeza]

No really the LX upper grille WILL fit! Stock DX/LX/ES's cant get the autoexe grille because it is designed to fit FLUSH with the MP3/MSP style bumper. Since stock DX/LX/ES front bumpers dont extend as far out in the upper grille area, the autoexe grille doesnt sit right ...
lol, well maybe it will "fit" but it will look like ass....we tried putting a autoexe on a sedan it was no good

[Familia323]

hehehe.. thats all Im sayin... :) you can make it fit.

[MarkSpark]

gaps = ghey...

dreeza will just get an MP3/MSP grille

[Dreeza]

gaps = ghey...

dreeza will just get an MP3/MSP grille
lol, exactly...

i dont want my car lookin like ass...there are some huge ass gaps when u try and fit it

[Familia323]

ok geezus i was just tryin to save her a little cash. Christ the last time i checked the gap wasnt that big.... Sorry for trying to help.... and yeah no shit I didnt realize that gaps looked retarted.. hmm thanks for letting me in on that little secret... im so sick of people right now....

[Dreeza]

ok geezus i was just tryin to save her a little cash. Christ the last time i checked the gap wasnt that big.... Sorry for trying to help.... and yeah no shit I didnt realize that gaps looked retarted.. hmm thanks for letting me in on that little secret... im so sick of people right now....
whoa sorry there, i appreciate the help

im just anal as hell...like, i am the yearbook editor, and i notice when pictures arent even...like, they are supposed to be 1 pica (i think 1 pics= 3 cm? ) apart...and ill be like..thats not right, and they go check on the comp....and it will be .1 of a pica off...so yeah, i notice gaps :p

[Prodigy]

whoa sorry there, i appreciate the help

im just anal as hell...like, i am the yearbook editor, and i notice when pictures arent even...like, they are supposed to be 1 pica (i think 1 pics= 3 cm? ) apart...and ill be like..thats not right, and they go check on the comp....and it will be .1 of a pica off...so yeah, i notice gaps :p
You're not alone. When I have to update my bands site, the links MUST be perfect or else I'm not leaving the computer until they are.
-chris

[Dreeza]

You're not alone. When I have to update my bands site, the links MUST be perfect or else I'm not leaving the computer until they are.
-chris
(rofl) yeah, some of my staff will try and avoid asking me to correct their page cuz they know i am so goddamn anal

[MarkSpark]

ok geezus i was just tryin to save her a little cash. Christ the last time i checked the gap wasnt that big.... Sorry for trying to help.... and yeah no shit I didnt realize that gaps looked retarted.. hmm thanks for letting me in on that little secret... im so sick of people right now....
hahahahah..wow

sorry, man