BUYER'S GUIDE: SRT-4 VS MSP.

[yashooa]

Lets see... I've been through two clutches, one transmission, four radio headunits, two coolant leak fixes, three axles, three broken intercooler/bpv pipes all in around 11months.

...Would you like to try that one one more time? The SRT is a good car. It's more of a "built for turbo" car than the MSP, face it. Say Junior (you like that kinda talk don't you?) mine has been fine at 12PSI for 30k miles. Of course the exhaust did fall in half (laugh) But that was the only problem thus far, well it is running 14PSI now after Mazda put new hoses on the turbo. I suppose I will have to take it back in eventually. I still hate the Neon for it's "fugly" factor.

[Micah]

dude u should go post that on a srt board for the all the neon thugs. I thought the car looked dumb.... well lets be honest its a fucking neon with a big grill... it looks retarded. i watched the video for the launch of the srt-4 on the dodge website... it is freakin' pitiful. they have guys spray painted in the background and this dude in a shirt and tie trying to make the neon sound cool for the "hip" generation.

heres the link, mad funny
click on the multimedia pic at the bottom
then click on multimedia on the flash screen that pops up
the movie is labeled, well its labeled "movie"... created eh?
its all built up like a awesome car like a 350z is going to amaze the crowd.. but its a neon..... wow..... with the dumb grill and spoiler
http://www.dodge.com/srt-4/photos.html?context=srt-4-index&type=left

neons are fucking slow, and nothing pisses me off most then a decked out neon with altezza's with a kid who thinks he looks cool driving the same thing my grandma owns. There are a bunch at my college and in the norwich area of CT. They all suck!

(fu) to the Dodge SRT-4, a neon with a stupid grill, and those who drive them for tuning... my grandma is still cool, though

later
ry
Wow, I can't even begin to pick a starting point to identify your ignorance.

You're right about one thing though - Your grandma is very kewl, if you could aspire to be even a little more like her it would only be an improvement.

Before you start poking fun at the SRT-4's marketing campaign why don't you take a look at Mazda. "Zoom Zoom Zoom"??? Go rent "Only the Strong" at blockbuster and you can enjoy the recycled song again.

Still don't agree? Take a look at the history of MOPAR performance vs. Mazdaspeed.

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE APPRECIATE THE MSP FOR WHAT IT IS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SAY IT'S BETTER THAN SOMETHING ELSE. I hold a higher respect for someone who can boast of their own merits as opposed to someone who feels the only way to prove their own merit is to try to put down the merits of another.

I'm done for now.

[yashooa]

(www.modernracer.com (http://www.modernracer.com))
SRT-4

Top speed : 153 mph
0-60 mph : 5.6 sec.
0-¼ mile : 14.2 sec @ 102.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 120 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.85 g
Curb Weight : 2970 lbs
MSP

Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 6.9 sec.
0-¼ mile : 15.4 sec @ 91.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.89 g
Curb Weight : 2844 lbs

All this data varies from Mag race to Mag race. I have seen the MSP do 123' stops from 60 in one Magazine without ABS so go figure. For 95% of the time this stuff will be a completely mute point. How the car looks and feels wil be more important to the vast majority of drivers who just want a nice car to do their "normal" driving in. Style and price play a huge role in a car purcahse not just RAW numbers. Look at the PR-5 people love those things and they are not exactly speed demons and yet they are still very nice little cars. Heck the MSP can be had for under 16 grand if one can still be found at the right dealer.

[t3ase]

Wow, I can't even begin to pick a starting point to identify your ignorance.

You're right about one thing though - Your grandma is very kewl, if you could aspire to be even a little more like her it would only be an improvement.

Before you start poking fun at the SRT-4's marketing campaign why don't you take a look at Mazda. "Zoom Zoom Zoom"??? Go rent "Only the Strong" at blockbuster and you can enjoy the recycled song again.

Still don't agree? Take a look at the history of MOPAR performance vs. Mazdaspeed.

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE APPRECIATE THE MSP FOR WHAT IT IS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO SAY IT'S BETTER THAN SOMETHING ELSE. I hold a higher respect for someone who can boast of their own merits as opposed to someone who feels the only way to prove their own merit is to try to put down the merits of another.

I'm done for now.
Wow. I'm agreeing with Micah.......





......and he's posted pics of his penii.







Wow.

[Micah]

Wow. I'm agreeing with Micah.......

......and he's posted pics of his penii.

Wow.Yep, and I just might do it again! Let's see if people can follow directions this time. Do not click on the link I am about to post unless you would like to see it. I'm even putting it dead center in the middle of these exclaimation points so not one person can say they accidentally clicked.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You've been warned.

[Spicy1390]

The SRT 4 Neon is a nice car. So is the Mazdasped, and the Evo, and the STi and all of that crap... Is anybody else just getting sick of this crap... Buy what you think is the best looking car you can afford, then put money into it to make it what you want. I have seen 9 secnd hatchbacks.. I mean come on. Who cares what it is stock, cause if your on any boards you are not prob stock??? make it your proj, and drop the sh$$. Just may thoughts of to many years listening to this crap.....

[Pkay]

lets not forget the MSP numbers are PRE FLASH


repeating

MSP NUMBERS ARE PRE FUCKING FLASH


post flash those numbers change dramaticly

[bustertwo]

Wow this thread lives!!!!

[Petey Turbo]

[QUOTE=Micah]Wow, I can't even begin to pick a starting point to identify your ignorance.

You're right about one thing though - Your grandma is very kewl, if you could aspire to be even a little more like her it would only be an improvement.

Before you start poking fun at the SRT-4's marketing campaign why don't you take a look at Mazda. "Zoom Zoom Zoom"??? Go rent "Only the Strong" at blockbuster and you can enjoy the recycled song again.

Still don't agree? Take a look at the history of MOPAR performance vs. Mazdaspeed.

I DIDN'T KNOW SLOWPAR WON THE 24 HRS. OF LEMANS!!

[Bremmer]

haha this thread is funny, I have nothing against the car except that it's faster than mine. BUT the dealership that I work at was struggling to get rid of a 2004 srt and somehow it got a bent rim from just driving it around in the parking lot. They finally sold it and won't order anymore cause they don't sell in this area very well. I personally think they are ugly.

[spacemonkey]

It was very impressive of what Mazdaspeed did in the Lemans...and we all know what happened to the 787B after that.

I know may on here have experienced problems but I must say that I've been problem free on my speed since September. Been to the dealer once for a reflash and the head unit poped out once. This is my daily driver and I could care less about crazy hp and torque #s...I want something that handels nice, drivable and looks good. My goal is to be in the low 14s and I would be happy driving a 4 dr turbo econobox that turns heads and runs 14s.

I was talkgin to BlackMajik becasue a fellow MSPeeder was looking to sell his speed cuz of financial reasons. The MSP did have a crappy resale value but the SRT-4 (to our suprise) has a slightly worse resale value. So maybe you can pick up a 03 or 04 SRT-4 for a decent price. I dont know why.

[shrug]

howdy. i have a lot of friends with SRT-4's and im active within the srt community, but i also am in love with the MSP and im thinking of buying one myself. but i just wanted to clear some things up about the srt-4

2004 Dodge SRT-4 Stock
people have been dynoing completely stock at 230whp 255 lb/ft tq
i've seen srt's run 13.5sec qtr mile bone stock with a good driver
there are a couple of 500whp srt-4s now
oh and people have been doing 0-60's at 5.6 seconds
the 2004 srt-4 DOES have LSD
HUGE aftermarket and people have been pulling 400whp out of thier stock turbo before upgrading; they push 13psi stock, and i know a guy whos pushing 21psi out of his upgraded turbo and hes hitting 350whp

if anyones around the philly/KoP/norristown area and wants to meet up and check out soem srt-4's let me know, cause i really want to check out the MSP

thanks for listening

[Petey Turbo]

It was very impressive of what Mazdaspeed did in the Lemans...and we all know what happened to the 787B after that.

I know may on here have experienced problems but I must say that I've been problem free on my speed since September. Been to the dealer once for a reflash and the head unit poped out once. This is my daily driver and I could care less about crazy hp and torque #s...I want something that handels nice, drivable and looks good. My goal is to be in the low 14s and I would be happy driving a 4 dr turbo econobox that turns heads and runs 14s. I second that notion..I will wait until after warranty to do the big boy boost on the MSP..I will just need to drive the RX7 more this summer, once its done and I finished paying for the plethora of stuff I bought. I should see 120+ traps speeds this summer in street trim!! (stash)(nana)

[Pkay]

2004 Dodge SRT-4 Stock
people have been dynoing completely stock at 230whp 255 lb/ft tq
i've seen srt's run 13.5sec qtr mile bone stock
wow add 15hp and increase your 1/4 time by over a second? negative ghost rider. 13.8-13.9 with a kick ass driver is more like it. Every single 2k4 srt i've heard of being "bone stock" and running below 13.8's comes back and says "oh yeah i forgot about my cat back" or "besides my K+N, bov, and downpipe im stock!". 13.5 stock is touching in the 3rd gen rx7 and supra range and I can guarantee you a stock 3rd gen rx7 will send a stock 2k4 srt4 home crying.



there are a couple of 500whp srt-4s now
then they have pretty much nothing stock on that car.... which raises the question why would you want a car that looks like a vw beatle transformer



oh and people have been doing 0-60's at 5.6 seconds
well considering the 0-60 time stock on a 2k4 is 5.7 that's not too hard to believe



HUGE aftermarket and people have been pulling 400whp out of thier stock turbo before upgrading; they push 13psi stock, and i know a guy whos pushing 21psi out of his upgraded turbo and hes hitting 350whp
if he can get 400whp out of a stock turbo why would he upgrade to only get 350whp at 21psi?



thanks for listeningi think you mean well but get a few facts straightened out.... think you might be mixed up a wee bit.

[shrug]

my bad, i meant 350 on the stock turbo, and i know a guy whos upgraded his and is running close to 400 but he hasnt properly tuned it yet, and for some reason hes pisses, apparently he should be getting much higher numbers but hes not having much luck. question on the MSP, how come they run such low boost? do they have really weak internals or is does it have really low compression?

oh and Pkay, the 04s have 230hp, 15hp gain over the 03's since they have the Mopar Stage 1 injectors stock.

[JOS3]

the srt-4 has to be faster because you wouldnt want anyone to see you driving it. the msp on the other hand is an eye catcher.

[spacemonkey]

I know the 500 SRT-4 was amazing but I still dont know why you would want to be that fast in a FWD car. I know I would be scared driving a 500hp FWD car on a neon Chasis or any other FWD platform. Yeah it was on stock internals but it also had several upgrades including a new gt30/40 dual ball bearing turbo from turbochargers.com...plus the engine was designed for FI all 2.4L of it. I have alot of SRT-4 buddies but if I have to choose between the 2 again...I'll probally go for the speed again. Just because I get alot more attention in the speed...and Im not a street or drag racer. I recently went to Drift Day in Tampa with a bunch of 240s with SR20DET swaps...kept up with them the whole way from Orlando to Tampa. and they love the BPV (turkey) on the MSP. They want to try to make their 240s sound like that. LOL Keep in mind I havent had any problems with my car...thats why I love it. Not even the minor headache everyone talks about. One of the 240s took on a SRT-4 with stage 1 and it was head on before the 240 (S13) pulled away.

Bottom line is, if you plan on doing extensive moding and want a fast car go with the SRT-4. Hell, when stage 3 comes out you'll probally have a low 13 sec car under warrenty. If your into nice rides and want a attention getter...get the MSP. Moding the MSP isnt hard, just have to have some $$$. Keep in mind we're limited production and most dont have the money to invest in our car. So thats why you havent heard anything crazy from this board like a 300hp MSP...well that should change shortly (Azn6er) ;). Plus one of the most heavily modified MSPeeder isnt even on this board. Did anyone read sport compact cars SRT-4 suspension upgrade article. Its seems kinda difficult and all that work to pull .90g on the skidpad. You can probally get a MSP for $5-6K less then a 04' SRT-4 which makes it a very good buy. Use the $5-6K and invest in some mods like standalone, FMIC and internals and I think you can get a very good car outta it. Again its all about taste...given you dont but a MSP dud and have all the little headaches everyone talks about. my .02

[t3ase]

The MOPAR parts are NOT warrantiable upgrades.

[spacemonkey]

wha?...my buddy just bought one from Bob Dance Dodge in Orlando. They had a paper signed saying they will warrent any "repitable" parts. but the catch is they have to install it and they decide what is "repitable." I've beent old the Mopar parts are all under warrenty. But if stage 3 comes out...that would be insane if they offer full warrenty with it (IMO).

[t3ase]

EDIT: See below.

[t3ase]

From the bottom "click here for complete Mopar Performance Parts Warranty and Additional Notes" link at http://www.mopar.com/perf_srt.htm

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[spacemonkey]

ha...cool...I thought it was too good to be true. There goes there 13 sec car under warrenty claim. Ha!

[t3ase]

Didn't mean to rain on anyone's parade but I checked in to that *very* closely a few times when I was sick of the MSP's constant in-the-shopness.

I just cannot make myself get rid of the 'speed. I love it.

[yashooa]

the srt-4 has to be faster because you wouldnt want anyone to see you driving it. the msp on the other hand is an eye catcher.
(cryhard) (flame) (cryhard)

[jaman]

ha...cool...I thought it was too good to be true. There goes there 13 sec car under warrenty claim. Ha!
who cares about the warranty for the parts. more important question is if the rest of the car is still under warranty with these mopar stages installed by the dealer. i've heard it both ways, so who knows.

[spacemonkey]

wait im confused. I thought t3ase was saying if you put on a mopar kit and your engine blows then your SOL. Meaing if you mod your car you would not be under warrenty. Much like our cars.

[t3ase]

who cares about the warranty for the parts. more important question is if the rest of the car is still under warranty with these mopar stages installed by the dealer. i've heard it both ways, so who knows.
Did you not read what I just posted that was directly from Mopar's site? Once you install any Mopar Performance Part on a vehicle, it voids the entire car warranty if used in competition.

[chicana28]

maybe u guys dont understand.... ITS A DODGE!!! dodge sucks.... y would anyone think about getting a dodge over a mazda its insane!!!

[t3ase]

maybe u guys dont understand.... ITS A DODGE!!! dodge sucks.... y would anyone think about getting a dodge over a mazda its insane!!!
I hope thats the last time someone uses that comment. That's really a stupidly ignorant post.

[t3ase]

who cares about the warranty for the parts. more important question is if the rest of the car is still under warranty with these mopar stages installed by the dealer. i've heard it both ways, so who knows.
And I quote: Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition or if they fail as a result of modification.

[1sty]

WHO EVER REVIVED THIS THREAD SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!

[1sty]

Did you not read what I just posted that was directly from Mopar's site? Once you install any Mopar Performance Part on a vehicle, it voids the entire car warranty if used in competition.
Mopar has reworded their warrenty to cover the SRT/4 parts.

[Micah]

Mopar has reworded their warrenty to cover the SRT/4 parts.
Thanks for leaving me completely confused. I'm actually considering purchasing an SRT-4, basically because they are cheap. Still going to take me about 8 months to pay off my protege though, so I have plenty of time to decide.

[t3ase]

Mopar has reworded their warrenty to cover the SRT/4 parts.
Not according to their website. I'll wait until I can see a hardcopy before I think otherwise.

[spacemonkey]

maybe u guys dont understand.... ITS A DODGE!!! dodge sucks.... y would anyone think about getting a dodge over a mazda its insane!!!Yeah Dodge sucks...Yeah the Dodge Viper ACR sucks (sarcastic). Yeah Twin Turbo Viper suxs...especially when it does the 1/4 mile in 9.5 sec. and ACR Neons sucks too. I would gladly take a RX-7 over a Viper GTS. Im being sarcastic but you need to get a clue.

[spacemonkey]

Thanks for leaving me completely confused. I'm actually considering purchasing an SRT-4, basically because they are cheap. Still going to take me about 8 months to pay off my protege though, so I have plenty of time to decide.
Cheap? I guess so but a new MSP isnt going to be $21K depending on where you live. I guess its cheap as in you get the beest bang for your buck since the MSP are gone. Test drive it! Thats the best advise i can give to anyone considering buying any of these cars.

[yashooa]

WHO EVER REVIVED THIS THREAD SHOULD BE BANNED!!!!
This is not one thread but many into ONE! It is the "Uber Turd" thread.
Motard Performance mmm smell the POWA!

[EVILSRT]

This thread has been beat to death. Let her die baby:D.

[t3ase]

Sorry man, there were two threads about SRT vs MSP before which is why I merged the main ones together.. Please keep this *one* thread open.

[1sty]

Thanks for leaving me completely confused. I'm actually considering purchasing an SRT-4, basically because they are cheap. Still going to take me about 8 months to pay off my protege though, so I have plenty of time to decide.
Thank Mopar for being shady!

Heres one part of there website:
MOPAR PARTS BASIC 12-Month LIMITED WARRANTY

What Is Warranted
Except as listed below, MOPAR parts sold over the counter or wholesaled are warranted against defects in workmanship or materials for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only. Parts installed on a Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge or Jeep® vehicle by an authorized Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep dealer are warranted for 12 months/12,000 miles for both parts and labor, or for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only, whichever is more favorable to the customer.

The following MOPAR products have time and mileage limitations, or warranty coverages that differ from the general coverage described above:


Accessories including Air Conditioning Systems
Batteries
Catalytic Converters (if not replaced under the New Vehicle Emissions Limited Warranty)
MOPAR Performance Engine Assemblies
Master Shield® Protection Products
Mufflers, Shocks, Struts and Bedliners
MOPAR Remanufactured Parts, Engine Assemblies - Gas and Diesel, Powertrain Parts - Cylinder Heads, Transmissions and Transaxles and Antilock Brake Controllers
MOPAR Replacement Sheet Metal
MOPAR Performance Parts

Heres the other one that is hidden:
Mopar Performance Parts Warranty

Mopar Performance Parts are sold "as is," without any warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, including warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair.

Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition or if they fail as a result of modification.

[1sty]

Sorry man, there were two threads about SRT vs MSP before which is why I merged the main ones together.. Please keep this *one* thread open.
No problem, its not like I can close it :D

[JOS3]

thats fucked up. you buy parts from a dealer and they arent even covered under warranty

[1sty]

thats fucked up. you buy parts from a dealer and they arent even covered under warranty
Thats the issue, One of there statements say they are, the other says they aren't.

[2words]

NEON!!! wrong board buddy

[1sty]

NEON!!! wrong board buddyThats it, your banned!

(outie)

[t3ase]

No problem, its not like I can close it :D
I was referring to EVILSRT. I was wondering who kept unstickying this thread.

[itz_alan]

215 fwhp is what dealers claim, its in fact more than that as dyno's have revealed.. it actually puts out more than the wrx.. around 215-230 whp..

[1sty]

I was referring to EVILSRT. I was wondering who kept unstickying this thread.Don't look at me, I can't do shit in this section.

[Micah]

Thank Mopar for being shady!

Heres one part of there website:
MOPAR PARTS BASIC 12-Month LIMITED WARRANTY

What Is Warranted
Except as listed below, MOPAR parts sold over the counter or wholesaled are warranted against defects in workmanship or materials for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only. Parts installed on a Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge or Jeep® vehicle by an authorized Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep dealer are warranted for 12 months/12,000 miles for both parts and labor, or for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only, whichever is more favorable to the customer.

The following MOPAR products have time and mileage limitations, or warranty coverages that differ from the general coverage described above:

Accessories including Air Conditioning Systems
Batteries
Catalytic Converters (if not replaced under the New Vehicle Emissions Limited Warranty)
MOPAR Performance Engine Assemblies
Master Shield® Protection Products
Mufflers, Shocks, Struts and Bedliners
MOPAR Remanufactured Parts, Engine Assemblies - Gas and Diesel, Powertrain Parts - Cylinder Heads, Transmissions and Transaxles and Antilock Brake Controllers
MOPAR Replacement Sheet Metal
MOPAR Performance Parts
Heres the other one that is hidden:
Mopar Performance Parts Warranty

Mopar Performance Parts are sold "as is," without any warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, including warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, are excluded. The entire risk as to quality and performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all necessary servicing or repair.

Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the vehicle or parts are used for competition or if they fail as a result of modification.
It looks pretty straight forward to me.

"Except as listed below, MOPAR parts sold over the counter or wholesaled are warranted against defects in workmanship or materials for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only. "

A little bit down the page, and there it is. So it's legal, it's excluded from those claims.

I'm starting to wonder though, does any other in house performance shop offer a warranty on their parts? SLP, Nismo, STI, Mazdaspeed. I'd like to know.

I'm of two minds on the subject of what to do after I pay off my car. Buy a fun fast car that I can enjoy - but not have any real investment value. Buy a nice luxury car like a lexus or BMW and not have as much fun, but enjoy owning a finer piece of engineering with a decent investment value. Or just run the protege till it dies and save up for a house. Likely, it will be a BMW or a fun fast car. I'm interested in the Mazdaspeed 6, but only if AWD materializes. Otherwise I'd rather just get an STI. Then there is also the fact that I'll have to wait quite a while longer to save 34K than 22k, which makes me wonder if I can hold out.

In the meantime though I'm paying off my protege.

[1sty]

215 fwhp is what dealers claim, its in fact more than that as dyno's have revealed.. it actually puts out more than the wrx.. around 215-230 whp..
Indeed it does. Its on par with what the STI throws down. Ofcoarse AWD makes up for alot of power with its ability to grip from a start.

[1sty]

It looks pretty straight forward to me.

"Except as listed below, MOPAR parts sold over the counter or wholesaled are warranted against defects in workmanship or materials for 12 months/unlimited miles for parts (exchange) only. "

A little bit down the page, and there it is. So it's legal, it's excluded from those claims.

I'm starting to wonder though, does any other in house performance shop offer a warranty on their parts? SLP, Nismo, STI, Mazdaspeed. I'd like to know.

I'm of two minds on the subject of what to do after I pay off my car. Buy a fun fast car that I can enjoy - but not have any real investment value. Buy a nice luxury car like a lexus or BMW and not have as much fun, but enjoy owning a finer piece of engineering with a decent investment value. Or just run the protege till it dies and save up for a house. Likely, it will be a BMW or a fun fast car. I'm interested in the Mazdaspeed 6, but only if AWD materializes. Otherwise I'd rather just get an STI. Then there is also the fact that I'll have to wait quite a while longer to save 34K than 22k, which makes me wonder if I can hold out.

In the meantime though I'm paying off my protege.
Get the house first.

[yashooa]

This is a dyno of an SRT-4 with the Borla Cat back. It is an 04 wich makes more power than the 03's. http://www.grassrootsmotorsports.com/srt4.html

http://www.msprotege.com/members/yashooa/srt40220dynocurve.jpg

[ES2k3]

I Love MY MP3 and plan to turbo it shortly, but when it comes to new cars, why would i want to get a MAZDASLOW when i can get a SRT-4 with 215 HP and a faster car. For about the same price, True the MP3 has great looks and the SRT-4 still looks like a Neon, but it's a faster CAR and the neon body kits look good. :p

Alright, lemme cut this straight! What do you expect from a car?
1- handling? get a Japanese car..
2- acceleration? go American..
3- comfort? go European..

If you like good acceleration and high top speed, generally speaking, the american-made cars will satisfy you. If you are a handling person, generally speeking, the japs will get you into heaven! and you want a comfy ride, most europeans will have you set. There is enough models out there to fit everyone's taste and budget. Also, if all you want from a car is actual performance, lemme suggest you to buy a used, well maintained and 'tested&true' one and tune this thing up! I mean, given the choice btw a Miata and a Z3 i'd GO WITH MIATA and put the $$$$ difference into aftermarkets parts. Then, the miata will most likely blow away the Z3. Chop around, man... and don't let those magazines reviewers and biaised fanatics manipulate your opinions. Get the facts, analyze, test, explore... thats what its all about!!