The best N/A P5 time?

[PR5Matt]

Who has it, and what are your mods? I need info for my eventual build-up.(laugh)

[Turbo Matty P]

not sure if mine is fast or not, but a bonestock P5-stick ran a 10.4s in the 1/8th. I don't have any quartermile times yet. I've done and intake and better tires. I feel my times will go down a bit. I'll try to get some updated numbers for you this weekend.

[FC3s Boy]

down here at our track the stock P5 's run 10.8-11.3 in the 1/8 ( our track sucks) my bro has cams , cai, and a exhaust with mid cat removed he was running 10.2.

[Turbo Matty P]

wow, a stock P5 there only ran 10.8s?? Man, either there's something in the air or I'm pounding my car harder!

[PR5Matt]

Your 10.4 = a 15.912 sec 1/4 mile time

(For 1/4 mile time, take your 1/8 mile time and multiply by 1.53. For 1/4 to 1/8, take the 1/4 time and divide by 1.53)

[PR5Matt]

I'd be happy to run a 9.9 or a 10 flat with as little as ther is out ther for N/A Proteges.

[Turbo Matty P]

huh...that equation only holds true assuming you make the 3-4shift take double the time of your 1-2 or your 2-3.....remember there are two shifts for the 1/8th and only 1 shift for the second 1/8th. Still it sounds pretty close!

15.9s is pretty good right? What does a stock MSP run?

[FC3s Boy]

wow, a stock P5 there only ran 10.8s?? Man, either there's something in the air or I'm pounding my car harder!our track is crap, it is at a slight up hill and a very slippery launch pad ( it is a parking lot) New mustang GT's run 9.8-10.0 and our rx8 with exhaust could only get a 9.8 @74 mph there.

[FC3s Boy]

huh...that equation only holds true assuming you make the 3-4shift take double the time of your 1-2 or your 2-3.....remember there are two shifts for the 1/8th and only 1 shift for the second 1/8th. Still it sounds pretty close!

15.9s is pretty good right? What does a stock MSP run?i think a stock msp runs 15.2-15.4

[Turbo Matty P]

wow...I'm going on a limb and saying that I'm about .5s slower than a MSP when I was stock. I wonder what It'll look like with good tires and my intake.

[Equinox]

I doubt you will break 16.0 with intake, exhaust, and header.

With Intake, Exhaust, Header, short shifter, flywheel, clutch, and no cats, You'd probably still run a 16.4

[Turbo Matty P]

huh, according to the equation of my 1/8th mile time I'm running 15.9's....i wonder why a 16.0s would be hard to hit. You can ask LAMP3, but my p5 pulls like a damn dog. He has a MSP and drove my car and got out and commented about how fast it was. It'll pull the tires all the way through first and a good bit through second. I'm not saying that I'll go out and run down a WRX or anything, but I'm a pretty decent driver and the car feels almost as fast as my stock MSP did before I did the exhaust and intake.

[Matthew]

i wish we had a 1/4 around here.

[jersey_emt]

MSP runs 14.9-15.1 stock.

[Turbo Matty P]

Lassiter Mountain here used to be 1/8th mile they closed down for the winter and when they re-opened it's now a quartermile track. I can't wait to get some times. I'm hoping with my new springs and tires I'll hook up a bit more and be able to make a more aggressive launch without too much wheel hop.

[Equinox]

huh, according to the equation of my 1/8th mile time I'm running 15.9's....i wonder why a 16.0s would be hard to hit. You can ask LAMP3, but my p5 pulls like a damn dog. He has a MSP and drove my car and got out and commented about how fast it was. It'll pull the tires all the way through first and a good bit through second. I'm not saying that I'll go out and run down a WRX or anything, but I'm a pretty decent driver and the car feels almost as fast as my stock MSP did before I did the exhaust and intake.
It's called torque, it feels fast, but it doesn't make you fast at all =P

[Turbo Matty P]

according to the previous calulations based on my known 1/8th mile times I should run a 15.9s in the qurater....what's changed??

[Equinox]

according to the previous calulations based on my known 1/8th mile times I should run a 15.9s in the qurater....what's changed??
Don't rely on calculations. When I was supposed to run 16 flat, I ran 16.7 hmmm

[Turbo Matty P]

well....judgin by my actual, known 1/8th mile times versus the othe rposted 1/8 mile times I'm already .4 faster....whats so hard to believe that I could be in the 15's....

Jeez H, I never thought I'd be arguing that I have a high 15s car!! Whata piece of shit!!

[SuperSpud]

yeah.. you arent running 15.9's in your stock p5.. sorry

[mp5jeff]

DO NOT rely no any kind of "calculations" to get a 1/4 mile time man, its not going to be right...alot can happen after the 1st 1/8 mile...

[akhilleus]

All i have to say is Raceway Park Englishtown.... this spring. i hope to post mid 15's

[Turbo Matty P]

yeah.. you arent running 15.9's in your stock p5.. sorry
Once get an actual 1/4 mile time we'll see how off it is.

[Turbo Matty P]

DO NOT rely no any kind of "calculations" to get a 1/4 mile time man, its not going to be right...alot can happen after the 1st 1/8 mile...

yeah.......uh.....one shift.

[PR5Matt]

DO NOT rely no any kind of "calculations" to get a 1/4 mile time man, its not going to be right...alot can happen after the 1st 1/8 mile...
True, but it will get you in the ball-park...

[Mashi Maro]

in my opinion, a stock p5 could run high 16s stock if the driver is fast, a quick search online for my car, a protege 4dr, shows that most quarter mile test results are 17.0, and the p5 is heavier than the sedan, one consumer review ran the p5 at 17.5, but who knows, maybe they suck at drag racing, i know i do, i have an intake and i only 17.6 at sears point...it was my first time and i launched in a panic at a low 2000rpm and crawled through the first 60 ft....embarassing but educational

[PR5Matt]

It's called torque, it feels fast, but it doesn't make you fast at all =P
Tell that to me when my Lightning sucks your doors off while pulling my Mustang behind it going to a car show.(braindead :D

Seriously I am just play'n with ya, but you should try to have a good balance between torque and HP. More torque the better. HP is important, but you need that torque pull. Sorry, but your quote was kind of dumb.

You should know that...

[Gen1GT]

Tell that to me when my Lightning sucks your doors off while pulling my Mustang behind it going to a car show.(braindead :D

Seriously I am just play'n with ya, but you should try to have a good balance between torque and HP. More torque the better. HP is important, but you need that torque pull. Sorry, but your quote was kind of dumb.

You should know that...
We're not getting into this again are we? Torque vs HP?

Torque is needed for heavy vehicles. Proteges(especially mine) are relatively light. Sport bikes have almost no torque, how about you go race ZX9RR with your Mustang and Lightning. Torque has nothing to do with how quickly a vehichle accelerates. Average HP does. The more hp you make over a broad powerband dictates acceleration. The longer you can keep a car in a lower gear, the quicker it will accelerate also, since you have the advantage of gearing.

Proof? My car makes 112lb/ft of torque at the wheels. A P5 with intake and exhaust would have over 120lb/ft at the wheels? Who's is faster? Mine, because my car is lighter and has more hp. I rev to 7400 and I make at least 90whp for 3000RPM worth of powerband. I have 110whp from 5500-7200RPM. I also make 90lb/ft from 1800 all the way up to 6800RPM.

90lb/ft sounds like very little. But on my car which weighs 2200lbs in race trim, that's good for 24lb per lb/ft(19.6 at my peak of 112lb/ft). That 24lb per lb/ft would equal a P5(assuming 2900lbs) having 120lb/ft over the same powerband. I don't think said P5 with intake/exhaust would make that 120lb/ft throughout 5000RPM of powerband. So even though it has more torque, it's not faster. Get my point?

Besides, a light car will beat a heavy car in every other performace area, including braking, handling, gas milage, slalom(assuming all else is equal)

I'm not dissing the P5 of course, so no-one flame me (flame2)

I was just using it as an example because it's a reference we all know...

[JOS3]

(blah)

torque, horsepower, whatever......i'll take both please

[Gen1GT]

Also, this whole 'formula' for calculating 1/4 times through your 1/8 time is totally flawed. I'll list my drag times in both 1/8 and 1/4 and draw your own conclusions.

Run1: 1/8: 10.027 1/4: 15.741 factor of 1.57
Run2 1/8: 10.263 1/4: 16.167 factor of 1.58
Run3 1/8: 10.394 1/4: 16.204 factor of 1.56
Run4 1/8: 10.168 1/4: 15.956 factor of 1.57
Run5 1/8: 10.049 1/4: 15.766 factor of 1.57

If it was the 1.53 factor I would have run the 1/4 in:

Run1 15.34
Run2 15.70
Run3 15.90
Run4 15.56
Run5 15.37

Also, Jersy emt, Mazdaspeeds don't run 14.9-15.1 stock. I've never seen them any faster than 15.4 stock.

[PR5Matt]

(blah)

torque, horsepower, whatever......i'll take both please
Yes! And lots of them!

[PR5Matt]

Also, this whole 'formula' for calculating 1/4 times through your 1/8 time is totally flawed. I'll list my drag times in both 1/8 and 1/4 and draw your own conclusions.

Run1: 1/8: 10.027 1/4: 15.741 factor of 1.57
Run2 1/8: 10.263 1/4: 16.167 factor of 1.58
Run3 1/8: 10.394 1/4: 16.204 factor of 1.56
Run4 1/8: 10.168 1/4: 15.956 factor of 1.57
Run5 1/8: 10.049 1/4: 15.766 factor of 1.57

If it was the 1.53 factor I would have run the 1/4 in:

Run1 15.34
Run2 15.70
Run3 15.90
Run4 15.56
Run5 15.37

Also, Jersy emt, Mazdaspeeds don't run 14.9-15.1 stock. I've never seen them any faster than 15.4 stock.It is not meant to be 100% accurate. Just a rough idea.

Not every car will quarter mile as good as their eighth mile times show. Just lookat a WRX. Its 1/8 time are not representative of what they eventually run in the 1/4.


BTW, I don't know about you, but I like my torque. That's why I don't drive Hondas.(yes)

[Gen1GT]

Torque vs high RPM power is totally subjective.

Me? I like a car that builds power towards redline, not loses it. Besides, if you drove my car at about 3000RPM in second gear, then floored it, even though you're used to faster cars, you wouldn't be disappointed.

[PR5Matt]

Torque vs high RPM power is totally subjective.

Me? I like a car that builds power towards redline, not loses it. Besides, if you drove my car at about 3000RPM in second gear, then floored it, even though you're used to faster cars, you wouldn't be disappointed.
You CAN have both. I agree, they have to make power all the way up, but not be soggy on the bottom end.(yes)

[FrigginGLI]

IS it just me or did the mid 90's proteges have much better engines. :'(

[PR5Matt]

The engines were good, but the lesser weight really helps a lot...

[Gen1GT]

IS it just me or did the mid 90's proteges have much better engines. :'(
Hehe..REKANIZE! (dance)

At the same time, gas milage isn't amazing for a 1.8(not bad, but not amazing), and it's not free of of vibration noise.

But ya, it's a good engine with regards to power and strength, and like he said, being lighter cars helped. My BP wouldn't be running 15.7 in a P5......