Mazdaspeed's price and Performance specs!!!!

[tritonheat1]

well as seing how Modernracer.com has specs about the Mazdaspeed protege they have it priced the same as the Neon-SRT (estimated) 19,995 as i though it would be around 19,700. Well aslo they have the 0-60Mph 6.9sec (estimated). here ya go Enjoy......:) :) :eek: http://www.modernracer.com/mazdaspeedprotege.html

[APEXistud]

I'd have to say that those numbers are overly optimistic considering that no one has had the chance to test drive the MS-P. Callaway themselves have even admitied that one would be hard pressed to run anything less than 7 sec. With saying that, lets all play the guessing game again. I say the MS-P will sprint from 0-60 in 7.2 to 7.7 these are just my numbers.

[tritonheat1]

no, not with the MS-P being turbocharged with LSD and a new heavy duty and clutch pressure plate to handle the increase horsepower from the Turbocharging system. Let's think about it. hmmmmm...........

1. T-25 ball bearing turbochared by callaway
2. (LSD) limited slip differenrtial by tochigi fuji Sangyokk super limited slip differential assited by larger 24mm driveshafts
3. heavy duty and clutch pressure plate.
4.extra 30ponies
5.extra 15 lbs-ft torque.

if i'm only going to get from 0-60 in 7.2-7.7sec over the MP3's 8.2-8.3sec 0-60mph i'm sorry that's plain freekin week by callaway. a whole second or 0.5-0.6sec that's freekin weak. I'm expecting at least a 6.5-6.9sec 0-60 by the MS-P IMO.

[APEXistud]

Bro do you know who you're talking to.:rolleyes: You must have missed what I had posted. "Callaway themselves have admitted that it will be very rare to crack sub 7's in the MS-P." I think I'll go with what they've said. Sure you might hear about someone doing it, but I think it will be rare to see it printed in a magazine or review.

If the MS-P were to get numbers like that, it would dead on with the RSX Type S in the 0-60 and I doubt that will happen. But for a better comparison, take a look at the Sentra Spec V's whp and torque numbers. 141-144 to the wheels and 150-153lb ft of torque to the wheels. The Spec V does 0-60 in 7.4 As for what the MS-P will have to the wheels will remain to be seen, but since were estimating lets just use the numbers we are given so far. 170 hp and 155lb ft of torque both measured at the crank. Subtracting drivetrain percentages brings you down to 144hp at the wheels (if where lucky) and 132lb ft of torque (again if where lucky). Do also take note that the Sentra Spec V is lighter than the MS-P. Spec V 2743lbs vs MS-P 2844lbs and the Spec V also has a limited slip. Again the weight difference is only 100lbs but lighter should be faster as proven in the latest issue of SCC mag. The article is called "Free Speed" and is pretty informative.

Okay, so now do you catch my drift....?;) Sure I'm not a test driver for any major car magazine. But, my method of getting my times is pretty accurate. At least for me it has been.

[almzkid]

I have ordered a MS protege and am eagerly awaiting its arrival. I can't believe the number of negative posts surrounding this new car. The car has essentially taken all of the positive aspects of the MP3, added a turbo, LSD, Heavy duty clutch and pressure plate, bigger tires, 24mm driveshaft vs 22mm (MP3), 27mm stab. bar vs 25mm ( MP3), new 450 watt stereo and amp vs. no amp and only 280 watt stereo (MP3), .6" and .7" larger brakes (f/r) vs. the MP3, Sparco pedals, ABS and a short shift kit, and all of this for under $26,000cdn ( dealer quote and confirmed my Mazda Canada). That is only $2,205 cdn more expensive than the MP3 was. The turbo alone is worth that. I wish the car had 200+hp to and I wish they would have stuck with the yellow and blue exterior colours as well. The rims on the MP3 are also nicer than the MS protege, but nothing is perfect. Plus Mazdaspeed will be making a B.O valve, Boost controller and a cat-back exhaust , specifically for this car that will give it at least 200hp. The 6.9 sec 0-60 time has been around for a while. It is included in the package I got from Erin Mills Mazda when I put the deposit down, it is on the Canadian test driver web site and also the link mentioned above. That is three sources, Find me the site where Callaway claims it will be tough to keep it under 7sec? Its not on any of the Mazdaspeed links or the Callaway site itself. On another note the GT-s celica does it in 6.8 sec and its only 180 hp (+10hp with no turbo), the sentra spec-v from day one has had its horsepower figures vigorously disputed by Turbo mag. and SCC mag. SCC even went as far as to say the engine had no noticeable speed advantage over the base se. I for one can't wait for my new orange rocket and wish some on this site would see the glass half-full not half-empty for once.

[BigBlue]

I tend to think as well that a time of about 7.2 - 7.4 second 0 - 60 time is realistic...if it does do better tho, that'll be fantastic.

Does anybody have any info on what sort of RPM band the turbo will be kicking in at? I'm just wondering if it will be of good use on the autoX circuit. I know from watching Civics that they sometimes have some difficulty getting into their high rpm powerband and I know that if/when I get a custom turbo, I'd like the meat of the turbo to be kicking in at as low RPM as possible.

[cjstringer]

A turbo in AutoX is ok, but the spool lag can kill ya.

[APEXistud]

Well if the gearing is properly matched with the power band then yes, the MS-P can dip under 7 in the 0-60. But lets, not be overly optimistic and don't let all the extra goodies go to your head. That's all I'm trying to say. If you study up and take a look at the power and weight of the vehicle just like I have been posting, you will see how I came to this conclusion. Like I said before, my methods of estimating are usually right from my experience, but we'll just all have to wait and see what'll happen. ;)

[tritonheat1]

explain where the Beetle Turbo 1.8T can hit 6.8-6.9sec 0-60mph with only 150hp Turbo with 155lb-fts of torque also weighing more than the MS-P at 2900-3000lbs. The bettle doesn't have (LSD) or Heavy duty clutch and pressure plate. I guess will just have to wait and see who's right and who's not. IMO i think the price is at 19,700 seing as they have 19,995(estimated). and the 0-60 being 6.9sec(estimated), i think it'll be around 6.5-6.9sec 0-60mph.

[slug420]

Originally posted by almzkid
Plus Mazdaspeed will be making a B.O valve, Boost controller and a cat-back exhaust , specifically for this car that will give it at least 200hp.

where did you get this info from? a BOV and boost controller were things i wanted to add after getting a Ms protege but was weary cuz of the warranty deal, MS products would be awesome!

[slug420]

Originally posted by almzkid
I have ordered a MS protege and am eagerly awaiting its arrival.....and all of this for under $26,000cdn ( dealer quote and confirmed my Mazda Canada).

what is that in USD?
i used a currency converter online and it came out to 17 and change so i know i must be doing something wrong....someone point out my foolishness please

[Antoine]

Good point’s slug420...All I've seen are post from members in Canada who have reserved a MS...has ANYONE in the UNITED STATES tried to reserve a MS? Please post your info if you find out anything...thanks.

I checked an online converter also and got:

26,000.00 CAD
Canada Dollars = 17,221.30 USD
United States Dollars

I'm curious...would it be possible to purchase a MS in Canada and legally drive it in say SoCal? My local dealer does not have pricing info yet...but when I mentioned what price I've been hearing...the sales guy (he was familiar with the MS) sounded shocked...like it was going to be sold for more...meaning at least this dealer is not going to let it go for a decent price...my sense is those bastards (local dealers) are going to want at least 21k or more...regardless of actual price. I bet SoCal dealers markup more than in other states...hmmm

If any dealer people are reading this…prove me wrong…prove to me you guys aren’t going to stick “lo-jack” and other BS so you can sell it an un-just markup.

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by tritonheat1
explain where the Beetle Turbo 1.8T can hit 6.8-6.9sec 0-60mph with only 150hp Turbo with 155lb-fts of torque also weighing more than the MS-P at 2900-3000lbs. The bettle doesn't have (LSD) or Heavy duty clutch and pressure plate. I guess will just have to wait and see who's right and who's not. IMO i think the price is at 19,700 seing as they have 19,995(estimated). and the 0-60 being 6.9sec(estimated), i think it'll be around 6.5-6.9sec 0-60mph.

Just to clear things up a bit. My sources show 7.1-7.3 0-60 for the Beetle and the actual torque is 162lb ft not 155. Also take note that the torque kicks in quite a bit sooner than the MS-P (Beetle 162lb ft @ 2200rpms vs. MS-P 155lb ft @ 4500 rpms). So if the Beetle seems a little quicker to 60 it should be.

As far as the boost controller thing. If you were to get that, you would definately void your warranty. No dealership would honor the warranty if you upped the boost and blew the motor. Common sense should tell you that. Just my .02 cents USD

[enry]

Originally posted by Antoine
Good point’s slug420...All I've seen are post from members in Canada who have reserved a MS...has ANYONE in the UNITED STATES tried to reserve a MS? Please post your info if you find out anything...thanks.

I checked an online converter also and got:

26,000.00 CAD
Canada Dollars = 17,221.30 USD
United States Dollars

I'm curious...would it be possible to purchase a MS in Canada and legally drive it in say SoCal? My local dealer does not have pricing info yet...but when I mentioned what price I've been hearing...the sales guy (he was familiar with the MS) sounded shocked...like it was going to be sold for more...meaning at least this dealer is not going to let it go for a decent price...my sense is those bastards (local dealers) are going to want at least 21k or more...regardless of actual price. I bet SoCal dealers markup more than in other states...hmmm

If any dealer people are reading this…prove me wrong…prove to me you guys aren’t going to stick “lo-jack” and other BS so you can sell it an un-just markup.


Antoine I think the canadian dealers are somewhat drunk, they can't decide on MSRP. Once I even heard something stupid like 30K+ CAD, as if I should pay more for that car than the WRX?!?
At any rate we are looking probably at a few thousand CAD more than the mp3 that was at 24KCAD. So I think, 26, or 27KCAD is about right. Someone posted a nice thread about what it would cost to import a car, and on the P5, you saved approx 2K USD.
But the catch is you must pay it all on the spot since a canadian car will only be financed/leased with mazda canada credit. At any rate, I don't know about voiding the warranty, I haven't checked the details but it would somewhat surprise me.

[BigBlue]

We Canadians in most cases get our vehicles discounted if you do a direct US$/C$ translation. The 24,500 MSRP on the MP3 works out to around 16,200 in US funds.

It's actually be a problem with a lot of dealers especially as you go into the higher markets(I find SUV and high end sports cars have the greatest difference) because Canadian brokers will buy the car and ship it down to the US people. The Canadians make a big profit by selling the car and getting as an example getting paid 17,500 for an MP3 which means almost 2000 Canadian profit, while the US buyer gets to save big money over MSRP.

At least in a lot of cases I've seen the warranty is actually still legitimate, it would just be transferred to the nearest dealer...same deal would happen if for instance I had to move to another city or sell my car..doesn't void the warranty.

Some dealers are now making a "no sell" clause in their sales agreements so that you have to wait time before selling it and stuff like that to prevent this all from happening as much.

[zmzmzm]

Importing from Canada is usually a great deal. My brother-in-law brings a truck from Canada to sell in Utah every time he comes down; usually every 4 months or so. They make 2 to 3 thousand American dollars profit each time, minus the $500 CDN he pays to have the speedometer switched over and all the paperwork.

For a new vehicle, it usually has to be driven for 6 months in Canada before it can be imported to the states. That's how he explained it to me, at least. He usually brings down the previous year's models.

Could any of us wait 6 months for a car we had already paid for?

I don't think so!

Chris

[slug420]

grrr....

why dont they just sell it in the Us for 17 USD like they are in canada for 17USD? then there would be no question. It would be in a totally diff category of cars, and ppl would compare it to the se-r spec v and the neon SXT and focus and crap instead of the WRX. And IMO its better than the spec v because of the stereo and interior, and better than the focus cuz, well, its a focus, and better than the SXT, cuz its a neon, and no one with any self respect would be caught driving one. Ill still buy one for low 20s and i still think its a good deal but i wouldnt mind savin 5 or so....

oh yea, and have any of you prospective buyers checked out insurance? what about you mp3 owners? I went to price insurance for a mazdaspeed protege on progressive and all i saw was protege, no checkbox or anything for it being ltd edition mazdaspeed.

[Newf]

When I first got my insurance, they actually had it classed as a ES 2.0. They then figured it out that there something called an MP3, and decided to jack up the price some :(

I'd say, the same thing will happen to the mazdaspeed owners at first. They won't know what to class it as until it's been out for 8-12 months.

As for the price thing. That's the way it's ALWAYS been for Canadian vs American cars. it's not just a straight conversion. There's another catch to it that I've never been able to figure out and no car salesperson I've talked to has been able to give me a straight answer as to why.

I ain't complaining :)

maybe that's why MAzda was to cheap to include Mp3 mats in our cars. F@#$@$#ers.

[enry]

I am classed as a regular protege. On the MS I will say it is a "Mazda Protege" since technically it is.
Besides, they base themselves not only on the model, but on the final bill, and since that is slightly higher than the ES/P5 that is sufficient.

[Newf]

I'm guessing you pay a lot more up there for insurance then we do. 875.00/yr gets me full coverage for me and the woman. That's with me having one speeding ticket last year, and her running two stop signs but no accidents....yet.

We all get robbed by insurance companies, but I guess were a little more fortunate some others.

[MP3inOttawa]

Living closer to the border of Ontario and New York, I've heard lots about this "different price" issue for Canadians and US citizens lately.

I wish I could find an article I read on one of the local newspaper web sites recently....but here was the jist of the article...

Prices of vehicles (Manufacturer's suggested retail price) in Canada are 5% to 10% lower than those in the states. The reason Manufacturers establish lower prices, by country, they take into consideration many factors:

1) that country's economy and where their dollar is ranked compared to the US $.

2) the competition, e.g. if you take a Ford windstar minivan and price it according to the Canadian economy and dollar, say it ends up at $25,000, but Chrysler comes along and doesn't consider the economy and dollar, but just converts their US price to Canadian funds, the comparable van would sell for $29,000 - they wouldn't sell any!!! They have to establish a country specific MRSP to be competetive.

The article I read then went into a very common scam that is going near border towns. Something the manufacturers are very upset about and are considering punishing their dealers....

Lets say a dealer in upstate New York has a customer who wants a certain car that is $27,000 US on the lot (MSRP) but the customer says thats a little to rich for me....the dealer takes him in the back room, says, look, I can go to Canada (20 minute drive away to a border town such as Cornwall Ontario (only a 2Km bridge separates the US)), US dealer goes to a Canadian dealer, purchase the EXACT same vehicle for (after dollar conversion) $22,000 (US) - a difference of $5000 US. The dealer drives it back to the US, customer gives dealer $1000 for their "work/troubles/finders fee", the customer then buy a 3rd party extended warranty for $500 (as the manufacturer's warranty is not valid if it crosses a border) - and guess what, th customer gets the exact same vehicle, picks it up from a local dealer, with a warranty for a total of $23,500 - which is $3,500 lower than if he bought the exact same vehicle at the US MRSP from the exact same dealer.

The article then interviewed a few people who have purchased a vehicles this way, and they are totally happy, they have a warranty, got the new vehicle they want, and for less than their neighbour down the street (...who's dealer didn't do the Canadian scam).

Apparantley, this is happening a lot and the manufacturers are really getting pissed about it as they see it as their own dealers are hurting their profits. The manufacturers are looking for ways of "punishing" any of their dealers who do this.....

[enry]

The manufacturers are looking for ways of "punishing" any of their dealers who do this.....

I have checked with Antoine. He thinks we should bring back the guillottine. :)

[tritonheat1]

i thought you couldn't cross the border with a new car unless it has over 9,000miles on it.

[enry]

Plus I think for import cars, duty applies.

[spoolinmp3]

Does anybody have any info on what sort of RPM band the turbo will be kicking in at? I'm just wondering if it will be of good use on the autoX circuit. I know from watching Civics that they sometimes have some difficulty getting into their high rpm powerband and I know that if/when I get a custom turbo, I'd like the meat of the turbo to be kicking in at as low RPM as possible

A turbo in AutoX is ok, but the spool lag can kill ya.

Expect to see full boost on this thing at about 2200-2500 rpm. That makes for a great auto X setup. That t25 that comes with the car (tiny baby turbo) has NOOOO lag on our 2.0 liter motors unless you are concerned with power before 2200 rpm:rolleyes:

All in all I believe this car will do 0-60 in the very low 7 sec range.

After putting on a nice exhaust, downpipe and airfilter(minus resonators) you will see even quicker spool up and about 20 more horsies:eek: Just because it is a turbo car and mods on them make a more substantial difference then on N/A cars.

The car will be able to safley handle more boost with more fuel, So bigger injectors and nifty boost controller will do the trick. And if you do blow it up(by doing something really really stupid like boosting 20psi) than DUHH take the stuff out and give it to the dealer. They will never know that you even had a boost controller or injectors because they will never know:D and even if they had dattalogging access through memory on the ecu(which I highly doubt) it could be blamed on other things such as a possible faulty waste gate ect.

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by spoolinmp3
And if you do blow it up(by doing something really really stupid like boosting 20psi) than DUHH take the stuff out and give it to the dealer. They will never know that you even had a boost controller or injectors because they will never know:D and even if they had dattalogging access through memory on the ecu(which I highly doubt) it could be blamed on other things such as a possible faulty waste gate ect.

With saying that, I think people should remember that if you are going to mod you MS-P, you need to make sure that all you installations are done neat, clean and professionally. When things are done clean and professional they're usually a lot easier to undo. I'd hate hear about someone modding their MS-P, blowing it up, then hearing about their dealership doing them dry because they found out they had modded the car prior to it having problems.

[spoolinmp3]

With saying that, I think people should remember that if you are going to mod you MS-P, you need to make sure that all you installations are done neat, clean and professionally. When things are done clean and professional they're usually a lot easier to undo. I'd hate hear about someone modding their MS-P, blowing it up, then hearing about their dealership doing them dry because they found out they had modded the car prior to it having problems.

Very Very true

[colin949]

I know some peeps that work at the mazda building, and the real specs are not 170 hp. They are advertising it as 6.1 in one magizine and in road and track its gunna say 6.9, but its really going to have 180- 190 hp, and go from 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Keep it on the down low.. cant wait till its out cause ill have one. peacee

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by colin949
I know some peeps that work at the mazda building, and the real specs are not 170 hp. They are advertising it as 6.1 in one magizine and in road and track its gunna say 6.9, but its really going to have 180- 190 hp, and go from 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Keep it on the down low.. cant wait till its out cause ill have one. peacee

0-60 in 6 sec. flat, keep it on the down low huh. :) Now this is what I call a reliable source. ;)

[slug420]

Originally posted by colin949
I know some peeps that work at the mazda building, and the real specs are not 170 hp. They are advertising it as 6.1 in one magizine and in road and track its gunna say 6.9, but its really going to have 180- 190 hp, and go from 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Keep it on the down low.. cant wait till its out cause ill have one. peacee

lol....:bs:

sounds great to me tho! i got mine ordered already so news like that would be just icing on the cake. When is this alleged road and Track article gonna come out? I was just talking to my dealer and he was saying how he is suprised more magazines and press havent been talking about the MS-P so i was wondering too..

[colin949]

to apexistud, well my mom work for mazda and whent to a meeting on the car, so if you dotn think thats a reliable source thats fine, but to everyone who believes it its 0-60 in 6 seconds, just whach when it comes out, that is exactly what is is going to be, and its going to have more horsepower than 170. I wasnt even going to post anything but everyone was putting 0-60 times so i wanted to put the right time on. Why do you think it says estimated in every magizine? ITs because mazda has not released the final specs, they dont want anyone to know what it is going to be untill it comes out.

[colin949]

ahah my bad works for mazda

[Antoine]

Welcome to the site...

I want to believe you...but..well...will see...I hope the car mags won't get "pre-production" versions that are not 100'% ready...even though its a bit late not to have sorted everything out...but I wouldn't be surprised if they are still tweaking it...anyway...you all remember that neon from hell will soon descend upon the streets...it should be an ass-kicker...watch out...does anyone know anyone who’s actually going to get that neon? Can you say “MS Vs SRT-4” comparison???

If the MS is going to stick with the NA engine as the base...then I don't know if Mazda would feel safe with the engine making enough power for low 6 second 0-60 and didn't someone ride in one...6 second 0-60 is Neon SRT-4 territory (as claimed)...

Will see :cool:

Hope you enjoy the site....

[Antoine]

To refresh your memory:

The 2003 Dodge SRT-4:

0-60 in under 6 seconds (5.9)

Top speed of 148 mph

60-0 stopping in 120 feet

Priced at $20,000 ($19,995 sticker)

The srt-4 is like the American muscle version of a sport compact...well in a dodge sort of way...it has a big 4 WITH a turbo...it may not be good looking....it may not be as reliable....it may lack sophistication...but its fast, cheap and should be a great value...

Now the MS....is much better looking, should handle extremely well, awesome stock sound system...cool interior...balanced power...overall more sophisticated but might end up being more expensive...

I'm just trying to point out the facts about each car...I love the MS...but the raw performance of the SRT-4 is catching my attention. :cool:

[APEXistud]

Well, if you think about it, not too many front wheel drive, sport compact cars are capable of sub 6 second 0-60 times. Honestly, I don't think there are any and if there is one or 2, they definately aren't factory built vehicles. Most vehicles capable of doing that are usually either V6 performance cars or all-wheel drive 4 cylinders. So, if Mazda manages to create a vehicle capable of doing it without using 13 inch Micky T drag radials, they should be praised and the Mazdaspeed will be a hot commodity.

I still think it will possibly do low 7's in the 0-60, but a high 6 sec pass is possible providing you get the proper launch.:( Sub 6 would enable the Mazdaspeed to mess with Suby owners and destroy all Hondas.

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by APEXistud
Well, if you think about it, not too many front wheel drive, sport compact cars are capable of sub 6 second 0-60 times. Honestly, I don't think there are any and if there is one or 2, they definately aren't factory built vehicles. Most vehicles capable of doing that are usually either V6 performance cars or all-wheel drive 4 cylinders. So, if Mazda manages to create a vehicle capable of doing it without using 13 inch Micky T drag radials, they should be praised and the Mazdaspeed will be a hot commodity.

I still think it will possibly do low 7's in the 0-60, but a high 6 sec pass is possible providing you get the proper launch.:( Sub 6 would enable the Mazdaspeed to mess with Suby owners and destroy all Hondas.


I still think that the MS-P will hit 6.4-6.9sec 0-60's IMO. But a sub 6sec flat would be nice and you'll be able to toy well not toy, but be around that mark with a stang GT, wondering what's under that (Vibrant orange or Black mica Hood. hehe....:p But for Suby's that would be cool.:cool: lol

[Syzygy]

Originally posted by Antoine
...(snip)...but the raw performance of the SRT-4 is catching my attention. :cool: Much like the repair bills will catch your attention later. Look at the spot charts: Dodges are pieces of junk.

[fastcat178221]

well I am here in San Antiono TX I as soon as I find out what I need to do when I trade my 2002 MP5 for a black or spicy orange . The general manager tolled me that there will be no mark up as in the MP3 $ 2000 . there will be none on the MS-P
so all I need is $1500 and $500 for deposit , and I am looking at $19.000-- $20.000 wich is not bad ----- orange orange orange

[Antoine]

so all I need is $1500 and $500 for deposit , and I am looking at $19.000-- $20.000 wich is not bad

You were given a price...Or is that what you estimate to be the price?

Syzygy...I've never owned a dodge and I don't plan too....but how do you know the srt-4 will be a piece of junk? Time will tell...time will tell. Yeah...past neons have a shady past...but this is not your normal neon.

[slug420]

Originally posted by fastcat178221
well I am here in San Antiono TX I as soon as I find out what I need to do when I trade my 2002 MP5 for a black or spicy orange . The general manager tolled me that there will be no mark up as in the MP3 $ 2000 . there will be none on the MS-P
so all I need is $1500 and $500 for deposit , and I am looking at $19.000-- $20.000 wich is not bad ----- orange orange orange

19-20......durrr......i dont know about that......i wouldnt hold my breath if i was you.....

and what do you mean by no markup? are they going to sell it for invoice?

[StuttersC]

I have a feeling that when Mada chooses who they want to be Mazdaspeed dealers, there is going to be an agreement or some sort of contract signed that will keep the pricing reasonable at the dealer. Thus making the markup non-exsistent.

I have a feeling Mazda wasn't to happy with dealers had a big markup on the MP3.

[fastcat178221]

well the general manager has tolled me this personaly . I do trust him and his staff since I sell them stuff for there MP5's , like MP5 badges, springs, and anything that they want . I sale parts for Mitch from protege5online.com here in San Antonio TX . So he tolled me that there is no markup but there is a dealer hold back which I don't know how much . He also tolled me that other dealers might have a mark up on there MS Pbut we will see .

orange , orange , orange ,

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by fastcat178221
well the general manager has tolled me this personaly . I do trust him and his staff since I sell them stuff for there MP5's , like MP5 badges, springs, and anything that they want . I sale parts for Mitch from protege5online.com here in San Antonio TX . So he tolled me that there is no markup but there is a dealer hold back which I don't know how much . He also tolled me that other dealers might have a mark up on there MS Pbut we will see .

orange , orange , orange ,

Not trying to be a jerk here, but you spelling told wrong. Just wanted to clear that up. Maybe in Texas you guys won't get mark-up, but I know for damn sure we will here in Cali. Especially in the bay area.

[vegasmp3]

I dont see any thing wrong with the new mazda.........Yes it has more goodies than our mp3 but that was evident it was going to happen......THe 0-60 will probably be right a 7secs.....yes it has a turbo but the boost is very low........It still seems slow with a turbo but the pluss is the new mazdaspeed owners will beable to up the boost......Mazda probably didn't want to make it too fast because they are probably worried the car may have too many problems.....They are being concervative......in two years the protege might be fast like a wrx or within a half second of that stock, maybe?????????......

[vegasmp3]

Colin I hope you are right because then all the honda and acura owners will now have to respect the new mazdaspeed......Also the release date is soon so they do know how fast the car is 0-60 but they dont want to let us know.........They still cant be trying to tune the car, that stage probably ended 9 months ago or longer........I sure hope it is 0-60 in the 6 sec range.... Apex is right when he compares the spec V that has 10 more horses than the mazdaspeed without a turbo and does 0-60 in low 7, plus the cars weight is very similiar to the mazdaspeed ........
At least it will compete unlike my mp3 in a straight-line.......

[odp]

Bit off topic, but don't spec V's run a high 7?

[Limited Edition]

i believe the Spec-V does 0-60 in mid 7's.
In some article i read it said 7.4? This sounds about right considering it has a big displacement engine of 2.5L.

I'm sure that MS-P with it's Garrett T25 Turbo, it should do pretty much the same. IMO, points of second doesn't matter in the real world anyway. Why are we all fussing about the tenth's of a second?:rolleyes:

[Newf]

anyone else get the feeling that MAzda hasn't released the actual horse power rating because they themselves don't know. Granted, they must know now. But at first, maybe they were playing around with what boost to go with before it getting dangerous......saying it's "approx 170.....maybe 180....maybe 190.....all depends if we can get the turbo going wee wee just right so it don't blow up anything ..... We'll figure out what we can get out of her, and THEN we'll let you know" kinda attitude.

Then again, maybe it's all marketting hype and playing with our minds just creates more interest and popularity. Or, it really is only 170hp at the crank, and knowing that that just doesn't sound impressive on paper, they want to let the car "speak" for itself when it's finally done.

Sorry, but all this "Guessing" about HP, and 0-60 is driving me nuts. We'll know when it's done.

[StuttersC]

Some info i've heard is definitely pointing towards it making more than the estimated 170, to help it beat out certain VW trubos...Also, looking at about $20,000 sticker.

[colin949]

Well iam pretty sure mazda wanted to see good results with this car, because they have put a lot of work into it, so when it comes out dont be suprised to see it running 6 seconds, because calaway made the car so it would have a good quarter mile time. Iam pretty sure its gunna be 6 seconds though because my mom said that they said the car is gunna go from 0 to 60 in 6 seconds, and that they are gunna advertise it as 6.1 and 6.9 to fake people out. I dunno why they are trying to do that,but i guess that is what they said at the meeting, and it was only like 3 weeks ago so thats why i think its true. She works at the main mazdabuilding in irvine so i think they would know whats up with it, because they are like the main place in the us.
peace out the mazdaspeed is gunna be one sick car

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by colin949
Well iam pretty sure mazda wanted to see good results with this car, because they have put a lot of work into it, so when it comes out dont be suprised to see it running 6 seconds, because calaway made the car so it would have a good quarter mile time. Iam pretty sure its gunna be 6 seconds though because my mom said that they said the car is gunna go from 0 to 60 in 6 seconds, and that they are gunna advertise it as 6.1 and 6.9 to fake people out. I dunno why they are trying to do that,but i guess that is what they said at the meeting, and it was only like 3 weeks ago so thats why i think its true. She works at the main mazdabuilding in irvine so i think they would know whats up with it, because they are like the main place in the us.
peace out the mazdaspeed is gunna be one sick car

There's a winner. :bs: :rolleyes:. Let's just wait to see, although I highly doubt it will run anywhere in the 6's

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by APEXistud


There's a winner. :bs: :rolleyes:. Let's just wait to see, although I highly doubt it will run anywhere in the 6's

Quit dissing Apexistud, damm he's just trying to let us know what's up. If you don't think the MS-Protege will run anywhere in the 6's to 0-60 that's fine. If you think the MS-protege is gonna run anywhere in the 7's that's fine to let it be. I guess will just have to wait and see but quit hating :mad: Can't we all get along........(lol)

[APEXistud]

:) Im not hating, I'm just thinking realisticly. A 2843 lb vehicle with 170 whp running a 6.5 is not realistic. Just for a reference of why I think this way, look at the 97 Integra Type R which gets 161-165hp & 115-118 lb ft of torque to the wheels nets on average a 6.6-6.8 0-60. Take note that the ITR also has a 2560lb curb weight, that's a 283lb difference. So if the MS-P still manages to rip off anything less than a 7 second 0-60 it will be quite an accomplishment. Of course, I hope that I am completely wrong and the MS-P does do less than 7 seconds. I'm not hattin, I just look at the factual numbers and give an educated guess or estimation.

[tritonheat1]

I know bro, i was J/K:D hehe i just wanted to say we all have our own opinions on what we think, and i do agree on most things you post especially on the Type-R part, but if you think about it.


Acura Integra Type-R:

1.8L 16-VAVLE DOHC VTEC 195HP with only 130lb-fts
Curb weight for a 97 is (2577)lbs.
0-60 6.6sec
1/4mile 14.97sec
Redline 8400rpms

But the Vtec doesn't kick in, untill 5700rpms till 8000rpms and the lb-fts doesn't hit till 7200rpms. So kinda think about that.

Mazdaspeed Protege (MS-P)

2.0L DOHC 16-VAVLE T-25 Garrett Turbochared and intercooled
170HP and 155lb-fts
curb weight (2843)lbs
0-60 6.5-7's (Estimated either way)
1/4mile N/a
Redline 6500rpms

OK we all are looking for power which the MS-P is turbocharged and is way better than VTEC and also it kicks in at 5500rpms(estimated) and we have advantage on torque by like 25lb-fts at 4000-4500rpms. So i do think the MS-P on take off will be quick because don't forget we have (LSD) a new clutch and pressure plate, so by the time your up in the revs it's bye bye vtec cause turbo is spoolin. and don't think b/c the MS-P only has 5-6psi and a small intercooler it won't be in the 6's to 0-60.


IMO, i think the MS-P will do:
0-60 in 6.4-6.9sec
1/4mile 14.9-15.2sec.

that's just me, i'm not saying any of this is true but just my opinion.

[slug420]

can someone close this thread or move it to the rumors section?
:p
i get all excited when i see there is a new post in this thread thinking someone has new info.........and then im blue balled when its the same month old discussion over and over again....

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by slug420
can someone close this thread or move it to the rumors section?
:p
i get all excited when i see there is a new post in this thread thinking someone has new info.........and then im blue balled when its the same month old discussion over and over again....

hey you, what's your opinion on Specs for the MS-P????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????

[slug420]

im the first to admit i dont know enough about cars to make any accurate estimates on performance based on the specs that have been released, and even if i was able to do so, i probably wouldnt since everything is "estimated" at this point....

[colin949]

In roadand track and motortrend they allready tested the car, and it will be under 7 seconds. IT will say it in the magizines when there out, i think road and tracks allready out, but it will show the car under 7 seconds

[colin949]

I dont think anyone knows the top speed yet, i heard it was pretty fast, what do you guys think?

[Limited Edition]

colin949
which road and track and motortrend issue is this? i'd like to get a copy of this and see it on my own.
thanks!

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by colin949
I dont think anyone knows the top speed yet, i heard it was pretty fast, what do you guys think?

Well reading from what callaway posted it says the new MS-P has a faster acelleration to 60mph, 1/4mile, and Topspeed over it's 130Bph mark. I think that's what they said don't know. But as for the MS-P being turbo and if it is basically drag limited i'd say around 135-142mph maybe though not sure but just a guess. But i know it'll be over 135++mph. hehe...:D

[Limited Edition]

hey tritonheat1

do you think you can post the link of from callaway that they said all this?...it's realy hard for me to believe that they will allow trhe MS-P to get up to 135mph!...i really have to see this for myself.
thanks!!

-Limited Edition:)

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by Limited Edition
hey tritonheat1

do you think you can post the link of from callaway that they said all this?...it's realy hard for me to believe that they will allow trhe MS-P to get up to 135mph!...i really have to see this for myself.
thanks!!

-Limited Edition:)


yeah sure no problem here it is.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2002/03/28/037972.html?SPORTS

[colin949]

my guess is 132 or 135, but maybe with a lot of modds it could get a lot higher

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by colin949
In roadand track and motortrend they allready tested the car, and it will be under 7 seconds. IT will say it in the magizines when there out, i think road and tracks allready out, but it will show the car under 7 seconds

Where did you hear that if you don't mind my asking?

And about that article that Triton dug up. Man, that is very old news, that very same article was originally released on Callaway's website a few months back. They say that they have succeeded in developing a motor that has potential to deliver a significant improvement over its 130bph counter part. The bph is clearly a typo for bhp. Also take notice that they did not give any numbers nor did they give an estimation.

Just to clear up the top speed thing you guys are discussing. If you read it a little closer, you'll see that they said the motor has potential to improve the top speed in the quarter mile."Improve the top speed in the quarter mile". I also took the liberty to bold the key words for you guys.

[StuttersC]

Wait a minute...I don't see what you are getting at.

J/K:p

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by APEXistud


Where did you hear that if you don't mind my asking?

And about that article that Triton dug up. Man, that is very old news, that very same article was originally released on Callaway's website a few months back. They say that they have succeeded in developing a motor that has potential to deliver a significant improvement over its 130bph counter part. The bph is clearly a typo for bhp. Also take notice that they did not give any numbers nor did they give an estimation.

Just to clear up the top speed thing you guys are discussing. If you read it a little closer, you'll see that they said the motor has potential to improve the top speed in the quarter mile."Improve the top speed in the quarter mile". I also took the liberty to bold the key words for you guys.

Tell me where it says all that. Topspeed in the quarter mile. All i see is,"callaway succeeded in developing an engine that has the potential to deliver an significant improvement in 0-60mph acceleration time and quarter mile Topspeed over it's 130bph naturally-aspirated conterpart." well if your saying topspeed in the quarter mile, first of all the MS-P will need alot more oommpphh to do the 1/4mile at 130.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I guess if that's what your saying. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[StuttersC]

You say it in your post and you don't see it?? The portion of the press release says this:

"...Working side-by-side with MNAO's own engineering experts, Callaway succeeded in developing an engine that has the potential to deliver a significant improvement in 0-60 mph acceleration time and quarter-mile top speed over its 130 bph naturally-aspirated counterpart..."

The parts to notice would be, "...Callaway succeeded in developing an engine that has the potential to deliver a significant improvement in 0-60 mph acceleration time and quarter-mile top speed over its 130 bph naturally-aspirated counterpart..."

No where in the press release does it say the top speed in the quarter mile is going to be 130.

The only "130" that I saw in the whole press release was in reference to the stock 2.0 liter motor.

So to sum up, the improvements will be in the 0-60 time, and in the quater mile top speed over the stock Protege with a 2.0 liter motor that puts out 130 bhp.

Which makes sense since the Mazdaspeed Protege is supposed to make an estimated 170 bhp, which is also stated in the Callaway press release.

[StuttersC]

Here is the url to said press release from Callaway:
http://www.callawaycars.com/From_home/mazdaspeedpr.htm

And, if you won't go there, here is the text...Sorry for the length.

New York, NY (March 28, 2002)-Callaway Cars has been selected by Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) as the engine and system development partner for the new MAZDASPEED ® PROTÉGÉ. The prototype vehicle debuts at the 2002 New York International Auto Show. The MAZDASPEED ® PROTÉGÉ is a sport compact with strong youth market appeal, including distinctive fun-to-drive character and a wealth of serious performance features. Chief among these is the show car's spirited turbocharged DOHC four-cylinder powertrain, featuring an estimated 170 bhp and 160 lbs.-ft. of peak torque. The new Turbo engine application -developed, tested and validated at Callaway's Old Lyme, CT engineering headquarters-is the latest chapter in Callaway's recent OEM partnership success stories. Leading automotive brands like Chevrolet, Land Rover and Holden Special Vehicles have all selected Callaway for major product programs and special edition projects.

Collaborative Performance Engineering Drives Callaway Advanced Technology

Callaway's Advanced Technology group was charged with creating a production-ready engine application that could live up to the performance promise of the MAZDASPEED ® name. To achieve Mazda's maximum performance targets, Callaway tapped into 26 years of expertise in developing both race winning and street proven turbocharger systems. As with all Callaway projects, every phase of development was based on the company's fundamental engineering goals: excellent power and driveability, strong durability and full emissions compliance. Working side-by-side with MNAO's own engineering experts, Callaway succeeded in developing an engine that has the potential to deliver a significant improvement in 0-60 mph acceleration time and quarter-mile top speed over its 130 bph naturally-aspirated counterpart.

To achieve these engine characteristics Callaway's engineers applied their in-house arsenal of sophisticated engineering software to every stage of the engine package development. Critical design steps like parametric modeling of intake and exhaust components and assembly and packaging of turbocharger components were conducted in record time, using PTC's Pro/ENGINEER® software. Pro/E software solutions gave Callaway engineers powerful Intuitive Direct Modeling capability, combined with advanced assembly abilities, for top-down modular assembly design. Engineers easily validated component design by transforming engineering drawing files into plastic rapid prototype parts.

"One of Callaway's great strengths is our team's ability to fully exploit all the benefits of today's incredible computer engineering technologies, while sticking to our philosophy that great engines require a craftsman's intuition," said Michael Zoner, managing director of Callaway Cars. "Pure and simply-our people have a passion for the almost human qualities of a powertrain-its pulse, its voice, its complex relationship with all the other components and systems. It's this dedication to old-world engineering values that really strikes a note of differentiation with our OEM customers."

Intensive Testing and Validation Part of All Callaway Engine Development Programs

Callaway Advanced Technology offers OEM customers full testing and validation capabilities at every step of an engine development cycle, including engine and chassis dynamometer testing, on road and on-track vehicle performance and driveability evaluations, and component testing-such as fluid mechanical and thermal dynamic analysis. Callaway engineers are also highly skilled in powertrain control module programming and are able to optimize every element of the vehicle's operations for the engine application.

Every performance engine developed at Callaway, even those with the most aggressive performance targets, never compromise predictable on-road vehicle behavior

Callaway High Performance Engines

Callaway has been developing and assembling sophisticated high-performance engines for some of the world's best-known brands. Most recently, Callaway engineers created a new 6.2 liter 480-hp LS6-based V8, a "stroked" derivative of the Callaway-tuned LS1 5.7-liter V8 that powered the Holden Racing Team GTS to victory at Bathurst, Australia's most prestigious annual race for standard passenger cars. Callaway's relationship with HSV dates back to 1999, when the company developed a 405-hp LS1 engine for the highly successful HSV GTS. Since then, Callaway has produced nearly 2,000 high-performance engines for HSV.

Callaway also developed a special supercharged engine application as part of its SEMA show car, the Callaway Freelander. Featuring extensive exterior and under-the-hood Callaway modifications, the show car enjoyed an enthusiastic media reception and is currently being considered for future production.

About Callaway Companies

Callaway Companies' (www.callawaycars.com) world-class engineering team blends master craftsmanship with the latest automated technologies at its U.S. headquarters in Old Lyme, CT. The 18,000 square-foot facility is home to two core business units:

Callaway Cars caters to the enthusiast market through team-based development of limited edition, high-performance automotive, motorcycle and marine products for both OEM and retail customers. In collaborative effort among all Callaway entities, this team designs and builds the Callaway C12 super sports car, and its GT racer sibling, the Callaway C12R.

Callaway Advanced Technology (CAT) supports OEM engineering needs by delivering a full range of rapid and efficient contract engineering services, with special focus on high-performance parts and systems. CAT offers the latest in computer-aided design applications, in-house machining, craftsman-quality assembly and complete dynamometer and validation services. CAT's in-house team of engineers has access to the latest technologies and equipment, including such leading software solutions as PTC's PRO/Engineer®.

Callaway maintains its focus on racing activities through its Leingarten, Germany, based affiliate, Callaway Competition GmbH. The subsidiary builds world-class Sports GT competition cars, including the Callaway C12R (in conjunction with Callaway Cars and CAT). Callaway Competition features the latest in advanced composite structure design, fabrication and molding, and offers in-house construction of components. It also offers complete motorsports preparation and set-up services, along with a heritage of successfully competing in many of the world's great endurance races, including the prestigious 24 Hours of Le Mans.

# # #

[APEXistud]

Originally posted by StuttersC
Here is the url to said press release from Callaway........

Thank you for seeing what I saw, I was beginning to wonder if I was just imagining things.

[tritonheat1]

ok guys, just got back from Vacation. I went to Washington State, By Spokane my grandma lives in a town called airway heights it's right next to the Fairchild (A.F.B) Air force base. it'd only like 5-10miles by Spokane. Anyways the day i left to go to Spokane, I stopped at the car dealer (Selma Auto Mall) i asked if they are coming out with the 2003 MS-P they said yeah and alot of people have been coming down to get one, but they don't know when it's coming in, what color it's going to be, what the price is, nor either taking down payment's cause they don't know the price cause somebody allready tried to do that. But he said all he knows is it's A beef up Protege with all the goodies and it's Turbocharged, And that they're only getting one. I asked when is it going to come in and he said most likely the end of August or the beggining of September. Then he goes well when did you get your MP3, That's more likely when it'll be here guess what, i got the MP3 on August 14 2001. I don't know what to do cause i want this beast but i allready know people are dying to have this car and also that he didn't know the specs but all he said was that the Press said that it will have balls and be Fast than what we think even though the HP is at 170. OH well i guess i'll have to wait and see :eek: :cool: :D :) ;)

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by APEXistud


There's a winner. :bs: :rolleyes:. Let's just wait to see, although I highly doubt it will run anywhere in the 6's

Can you say who's your daddy LoL:o

0-60mph 6.9sec.................. as i stated before long time ago :p

your 0-60mph.. low to mid 7's..

Price tag i believe i said 19,700$ scrilla's

your price tag was around 22,-23000 mulla's.

hehe J/K but still who's yo DADDYYYYYYYYYYY???????????????????;) LOL hehe.

[APEXistud]

SCC has released their times and they pulled a 7.1 0-60 and a 15.3 1/5 mile time, which still makes my estimations ball park. I posted the MS-P to run anywhere from 7.1-7.7 and I even went as far as saying a possible high 6 second pass and my estimations for the 1/4 mile time are right on, so it's no problem with me bro.

[tritonheat1]

hehe J/k I understand man i know different car magazines have different number's but i'll stick with the 6.5-6.9sec 0-60's untill it's really broken in. But hey what can i say we are both right on some categories ehh:cool: lol I say the MS-P broken in at 10,000+plus miles will be at 6.7sec hehe.:p

[Lawerence]

SpecV's feel pretty fast when you're driving them (LOTS of TQ low end), so If its about the same (hopefully a little quicker) it will be fine with me.
I was looking at the dyno for it, and even though it has less hp and tq it dynoed 6 more hp than my specV, and same TQ!!!!
THat is very little drivetrain loss, damn impressive.
Can't wait to get mine!!!

_______________
02' SE-R SpecV Molten Silver
Coming soon= 03' MazdaSpeed Protege'

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by Lawerence
SpecV's feel pretty fast when you're driving them (LOTS of TQ low end), so If its about the same (hopefully a little quicker) it will be fine with me.
I was looking at the dyno for it, and even though it has less hp and tq it dynoed 6 more hp than my specV, and same TQ!!!!
THat is very little drivetrain loss, damn impressive.
Can't wait to get mine!!!

_______________
02' SE-R SpecV Molten Silver
Coming soon= 03' MazdaSpeed Protege'

Welcome to the board and how do you like your SpecV. My bro has a 2002 Torquoise SpecV with exhaust and Injen CAI, and that sucker moves everytime i race someone in his car i always peel out in 1st and 2nd gear. What was impressive was when i was at like 65mph from 5th i threw it to third and it just chirpp. Anyways yeah the freakin things has balls. Well seeing as you are going to get the 2003 MS-P, Are you rich or something:p hehe , but i hope you enjoy the MS-P though.

MSP Specs:

(Car-and-Driver)

0-60mph 6.9sec
1/4mile 15.4sec@91mph

(SCC)

0-60mph 7.1sec
1/4mile 15.3sec@93mph

[Lawerence]

Thanks alot! I'm so excited about getting the MSP!
Yea, when I first got it I was chirping all the way through third too :)
I'm wish I was rich, that way I could keep my specV and get the MSP!!! but I have to sell it so...anyone want a 02 specV? :)

[sleeper_]

btw, i'm from spec-v boards b/c i've been interested in them for quite some time now (1.5 yrs?)

anyhow, according to what i've read, people have gotten 15.1 in the quarter mile stock, some needed some mods to get that time.

as for the 0-60 time. it really hasn't been talked about much, but there was talk that it was actually under 7 for them to have gotten a 15.1 in the 1/4. If it isn't under 7 secs for the spec, then that can easily be explained by the fact that the spec has to shift 2 times to reach the 60mph mark.. which easily accounts for the higher 0-60 time.

as for the ms-p i'm quite excited about getting more news about it from my dealer :D

btw, i've noticed there's a lot of canadians on this board! awesome! heheh

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by sleeper_
btw, i'm from spec-v boards b/c i've been interested in them for quite some time now (1.5 yrs?)

anyhow, according to what i've read, people have gotten 15.1 in the quarter mile stock, some needed some mods to get that time.

as for the 0-60 time. it really hasn't been talked about much, but there was talk that it was actually under 7 for them to have gotten a 15.1 in the 1/4. If it isn't under 7 secs for the spec, then that can easily be explained by the fact that the spec has to shift 2 times to reach the 60mph mark.. which easily accounts for the higher 0-60 time.

as for the ms-p i'm quite excited about getting more news about it from my dealer :D

btw, i've noticed there's a lot of canadians on this board! awesome! heheh

Nahh mannn...... this was discussed long time ago. The specV that your talking about is the yellow Prototype SpecV that was rated at 180Hp had a 6700rpm redline and a 160mph speedometer. they have had said that it will post 0-60#'s in less than 7sec for a fact, but due to the changing somethings didn't go right. Anyways if your friend has ran a 15.1sec 1/4mile Stock then i have no clue how he did it(scratch) but my bro has a specV and he has exhaust and Injen CAI, and only ran 16.01sec, 16.18sec and 15.87sec at fomoso race track here in Bakersfield.

[sleeper_]

lol all i can say is that your bro can't drive.. that must be the case b/c people are geting 15.3's and 15.4's..
this one guy that got a 15.1 had a timeslip..
he got rid of the spare and jack from his trunk.

oh and the reason why 0-60 times can't really be confirmed is that all the peeps are concentrating on the 1/4 mile times on the boards. The 0-60 time is hardly even discussed. I browse 3 sentra related boards, freshalloy.com, b15sentra.net, and thevboard.com. and sometimes automotiveforums.com

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by sleeper_
lol all i can say is that your bro can't drive.. that must be the case b/c people are geting 15.3's and 15.4's..
this one guy that got a 15.1 had a timeslip..
he got rid of the spare and jack from his trunk.

oh and the reason why 0-60 times can't really be confirmed is that all the peeps are concentrating on the 1/4 mile times on the boards. The 0-60 time is hardly even discussed. I browse 3 sentra related boards, freshalloy.com, b15sentra.net, and thevboard.com. and sometimes automotiveforums.com


:eek: WOW how in the heck did that happen 15.3-15.4sec 1/4mile by average normal driver's when the SpecV has been tested by caranddriver at 0-60.. 7.3sec 1/4mile at 15.5@89mph, SCC has it at 0-60..7.4sec 1/4mile@15.7sec@87mph, and motorweek has it at 0-60..7.1sec 1/4mile 15.5sec@90mph. They are experienced drivers and you guys can actually run faster than a experienced driver hmmm(scratch) that's wierd. If you say they've ran a 15.1 and 15.3-4's then i guess they've ran it but whatever man i like SpecV"s and my bro is still kinda a rookie but he's way better than he was. Wanna here something sad :o when his car was stock he didn't even shift that good he raced a 96 LS Integra with intake and Exhaust he lost by 1.5car lenghs so we switched and i beat the Integra by 2car lenghs. He didn't know how to shift he would drop the clutch at 35-4000rpms then switched to 2nd gear by the time the Cvtc kicks in at 5100rpms he would shift at 5400rpms he wouldn't let it go atleast to 6000 where the Power is at, and plus he could not take off that good. But now he's a whole freakin lot better, he takes civic SI's with no problem cause he added the Injen CAI, Spintech exhaust, and dropt it 2"inches with Eibach springs.

[sleeper_]

heh, yep, there's definitely some peeps with 15.1's =)

magazine times are always there for someone to break :)

[tritonheat1]

Originally posted by sleeper_
heh, yep, there's definitely some peeps with 15.1's =)

magazine times are always there for someone to break :)


Check this one out, that i all ready stated up above(lol)
http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2121.shtml

[sleeper_]

here's a 15.13:

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21107&highlight=15.13
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another 15.1x:

http://www.thevboard.com/read.php?TID=2761
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bit faster with couple mods:

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB12&Number=208058&Forum=UBB12&Words=15.1&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=208033&Search=true#Post208058
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15.149 stock

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB12&Number=194155&page=&view=&sb=&o=&fpart=1&vc=1


and there's more :)

[slug420]

worst..........thread.......ever

[Lawerence]

http://www.b15sentra.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29853

There are some pretty good specV times on there.

My best and only track run was a 15.28@90.61.

But I'm looking foward to my MSP because I love turbo & thier tuning potential.