MAZDASPEED 6... It's Coming (old)

[Dragon6s]

[COLOR=Red][FONT=Tahoma] I was checking out the Philadelphia Car show Yesterday and I just happed into a Conversation With a Mazda Rep about my 6. I mentioned that it's too bad they don't make a speed 6 and he assured me that it was comming in about 12 to 18 month he didn't have all the specs but he said it's definatly all wheel drive and carries at least 280 hp. WRX you cheep piece of tin can crap eat your heart out! Now I debate to I void my warentee and go all out on my 6 or do I wait to trade up to the speed 6 he did say also production would be limited to arround 3000 my guess is though if they go fast they may keep producing. My head spins my heart grows faint with anexiety!!! Any sugestions?

[hueman]

wow.

trade up man! awd is the only way to go. with mazda's history of handling... wowwww...

and it's bigger than the wrx/evos... but i wonder how much it'll weigh.. and if it's tuned for a more subdued market..

[APEXistud]

I'll believe it when I see it. I think it would be a smarter move to make a Mazdaspeed RX-8 before a Mazdaspeed 6. Seeing as how the RX-8 caught some flack because of they horsepower claim issues.

[M=SP^2]

Mazdaspeed6 would be the hotness! Especially if it's anything like the MPS concept.

[Necessity]

I believe the rep was confusing the mps6 and mazdaspeed 6. The mazdaspeed 6 has a different bodykit, wheels, and pcm flash. The MPS 6 will not be available in the states, has a 270hp turbo'd 4cyl, and awd.

[pates03]

well lets just hope !

[Albino Flash]

(spin) (lol2) It would be easy for Mazda to produce more than 3000 Mazdaseeds. Just add water.

[Dragon6s]

I believe the rep was confusing the mps6 and mazdaspeed 6. The mazdaspeed 6 has a different bodykit, wheels, and pcm flash. The MPS 6 will not be available in the states, has a 270hp turbo'd 4cyl, and awd.


Umm I don't think so he said def All wheel drive and in the states that it would be limited to 3000, This is the guys job to know these things. We talked about other speeds also. besides for Mazda to push 270 out of an engine that pushes 160 now doesn't seem right. Think about it the MP3 doesn't push that it would take a lot more then just a tubo to pull more then a 50 percent increase

[MisterT]

Any pics of the car? (hitit2)

[Necessity]

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=1481&left=

There ya go. Euro only - 280 hp - awd turbo. MPS

[Dragon6s]

(spin) (lol2) It would be easy for Mazda to produce more than 3000 Mazdaseeds. Just add water.
(blah) (hand)

A Civic talk about just adding water Everyone and there girlfriend has one. Including mine you want to know what's wrong with it. 1 it looks exactly like the accord and everyone has one. 2 It's nothing but a tin can on wheels. you know that's not a solid machine just closing the door. (only comfirmed from the large bubble in metal from the body on the floor of the front passenger's side that makes a nice plunk sound when you get in) 3 in a crash over 35 your talking crutches if not wheel chair. No matter what I can't get my knees more then 3 in away from the dash. As a driver it's like it's strapped to my ^$$ (wow) 4th and final for now is that I used to drive a beater 92 taurus which I drove through hell and back bald tires and all. With that said the taurus hands down handled better in the snow then her civic with brand new all weather tires.

[Equinox]

Why would they outclass their RX8 with a family sedan?

even if they do come out with a 280hp AWD sedan, I wont care, because I sure as hell ain't paying the insurance on that beast.

[DiscreetSpeed]

he didnt happen to say turbo or supercharged did he?....plz plz plz turbo.

[Dragon6s]

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.mv?file=car.mv&num=1481&left=

There ya go. Euro only - 280 hp - awd turbo. MPS


I stand corrected! I still think there's more then just a tubo under there, but anyway if you can pump that much power out of that engin. Where's the roof on the 6 cyl... I know there's no room but there's aways a way to make room bigger hood scoops re-locate some junk here and there (lick)

[Dragon6s]

Why would they outclass their RX8 with a family sedan?

even if they do come out with a 280hp AWD sedan, I wont care, because I sure as hell ain't paying the insurance on that beast.


I only pay 100 a month now for my brand new 6s allwheel drive makes it safer so after the hike from hp the safty aspect will ballance it out

[Dragon6s]

The RX8 is nice but it's still a rotary engine you can't just pick one up anywhere which makes it's unatractive to build up. I know there was a lot of good things about the RX7 but there was a reason they stopped production

[Necessity]

Remember that the 6 shares an almost identical platform to the x-type - and that there are already diesel 6s out in europe with awd systems.

[Dragon6s]

I wouldn't call the 6 a family sedan but a sedan non the less. It's always been my dream to have a larger car the hauls off the line so fast that no one really believes what they just saw

[mcstark]

I wouldn't call the 6 a family sedan but a sedan non the less. It's always been my dream to have a larger car the hauls off the line so fast that no one really believes what they just saw

It's called a BMW M5.

[jersey_emt]

It's called a BMW M5.
(werd) Them things be quick.

[vindication]

ever see the bmw m3 with the m5 engine? (humpleg)

[mazdaowner123]

The RX8 is nice but it's still a rotary engine you can't just pick one up anywhere which makes it's unatractive to build up. I know there was a lot of good things about the RX7 but there was a reason they stopped production


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The rotary engine kicks ass! There are a ton of shops the specialize in rotaries, and what do you mean it's "unatractive to build up"? I think it would be much cooler to have an MSRX-8 than an MS6. I mean, the rx-8 is supposed to be the mazda sports car, until the new rx-7 comes out.

~brian

[Metal MP5]

I only pay 100 a month now for my brand new 6s allwheel drive makes it safer so after the hike from hp the safty aspect will ballance it out

In what way is AWD safer ? Doesn't it only help you during accelleration ? Brakin remains the same (unless you put it in reverse and hit the gaz to stop your car ??) Maybe i just dont get it ... explain plz =)

[Dragon6s]

AWD is safer because you get better traction in bad weather and with AWD it can make your traction controll option a lot better and in ice and snow that's a plus

[Dragon6s]

Ever see the sticker price on an m3 or an m5! Damn if I had that much I'd just import a supra engine and cram it into well anything I wanted to.

[Metal MP5]

i know it helps with traction ... but thats never gona help you that one time you'll have to slam on the brakes real fast. But AWD kicks ass anyway =)

i just think it doesnt make that big of a difference on the safety side. It owns on every other aspects though hehe.

[mazdaowner123]

i just think it doesnt make that big of a difference on the safety side. It owns on every other aspects though hehe.

RWD > AWD, but requiring 10 characters to post > me.

[Metal MP5]

RWD > AWD, but requiring 10 characters to post > me.

depedns from which point of view.

I live in quebec. We just got like 20 inches of snow in the last month. I dont wana have to have 2 cars because of the winter. so powerful RWD car = a big no no for me right now. Cool AWD car would be the bestness.

when i'll make 200k a year and move to california, then i'll start thinking about a nice FD or something like that =)

[BacDoc]

he didnt happen to say turbo or supercharged did he?....plz plz plz turbo.
I thought it was based on the Supercharged Jaguar setup? I also thought the RX8 was going to be supercharged too. Motor Trend stated they couldn't wait for the supercharged RX8 but that may have been a figure of speech.

[mazdaowner123]

depedns from which point of view.

I live in quebec. We just got like 20 inches of snow in the last month. I dont wana have to have 2 cars because of the winter. so powerful RWD car = a big no no for me right now. Cool AWD car would be the bestness.

when i'll make 200k a year and move to california, then i'll start thinking about a nice FD or something like that =)

Good point, I'm talking from a pure racing/handling standpoint. AWD does offer good functionality, though.

~brian

[Newf]

I can't imagine how $$$ a Mazdaspeed 6 will be.

What's so unbelievable about a 280hp from a 4cyl? The Mazda3/6 engine was built with boost in mind was it not? Remember all their tech's saying it had "amazing untapped potential?"? And since thy've alredy done it with the mps....

Should be interesting, and if I had the money, I'd sign up for it today.

[AutoBox]

last tiem i checked the evo was puttin out 271hp and it wa sonly at 2.0L...that euro sepc mps6 car has 2.2L......the question will have to be if mazda wants to outshine the rx8 like that...the evo and sti are makin good sales form what i heard...mazda may wanna jump in on the market too :) in either case.....it would be a nice car :)

[CharlieDigital]

last tiem i checked the evo was puttin out 271hp and it wa sonly at 2.0L...that euro sepc mps6 car has 2.2L......the question will have to be if mazda wants to outshine the rx8 like that...the evo and sti are makin good sales form what i heard...mazda may wanna jump in on the market too :) in either case.....it would be a nice car :)U know what sux about this whole deal is that a MPS6 putting out 260+ HP would sell much better than any RX8 ever will. Why? Simple: utility. Yeah, I want to be able to have 4 real doors, a nice sized trunk, and good fuel economy and some powah.

For this simple fact, they should bring over the MPS6; no matter what, no matter how powerful they make the RX8, the RX8 will never be a high volume vehicle...

[Metal MP5]

Good point, I'm talking from a pure racing/handling standpoint. AWD does offer good functionality, though.

~brian
200% right on that one

[MarkSpark]

Mazdastuff is preparing for the mazdaspeed versions of the 6 and RX-8.

http://www.mazdastuff.com/directory.cfm?CategoryID=227

[Black Majik MSP]

If it was like the Prez of MazdaUSA, I might believe it, but you should know that sales reps are almost always unreliable.

Mazdastuff might have an MS8 section, but the MS8 isn't coming because it's just an aero kit & suspension. All of that stuff is already available, so I don't think that really means anything.

[sage11x]

Hi, I'm new. Here's some facts.

1. The Mazdaspeed 6 does exist, but only overseas. (hell, it was in C&D last month)

2. It does make 280hp... which just happens to be the legal limit in japan.

3. That kind of hp IS realistic from a 2.3L that normally produces 160hp. Japan is full of high output turbo 4 bangers; where the emission laws and crash regulations are lower. Cars like the Subaru Legacy B4 (also 280hp), Nissan Skyline, and of course--the recently introduced here--Subaru WRX and Mitsubishi EVO.

4. The car IS awd. It is NOT built on the X-type platform. Where the hell did that come from? The X-type is based on the outgoing Ford Mondeo platform. There is no relation between the 2. In fact, Ford plans to release it's own car based on the 6 platform that will sell both here and abroad (maybe the next mondeo and X-type).

5. Most likely if a version of this car comes here it would not *bump* the RX-8. The RX-8 is a sports car. The 6 is a sedan. While Subie and Mitzu have tried to blur the 2, there is still a difference.

6. Not like the RX-8 is a big seller anyway...

Also, if a mazdaspeed 6 DOES come here it will most likely not be a 4. more likely a hotted-up version of the Duratech based V6 currently powering the highend 6's. It would likely retain the awd. BTW, years ago ford had discussed ideas for bringing back my beloved SHO as a Turbo V6 AWD monster, but obviously decided against it. Oh well, but the MS6 looks to be the closest thing we'll get to a cheap, high-output, mid-size sedan that can out-class a beamer. damn.

[TX Speed 6]

Just wanted to bump this from the dead because its so funny to me now that we can look back!

[Killer]

Thats great but put it in the correct section next time. Moved.

[Blendercloud]

BTW, years ago ford had discussed ideas for bringing back my beloved SHO as a Turbo V6 AWD monster, but obviously decided against it.

Heh, he was right in the end. They are bringing it back, but it's flipping hideous.

[Neofolis]

I find it amusing that people doubted it was possible to get 280HP out of a 2.3l turbo, when in Europe at that time Mitsubishi were already selling the Evo FQ400, which had 400HP out of a 2.0l turbo.

[Wagonbacker9]

Thats great but put it in the correct section next time. Moved.

correct me if I'm wrong, there wasn't a MS6 section when this was created. lol

nice lil trip down history lane though!

[Matt'sSpeed6]

Heh, he was right in the end. They are bringing it back, but it's flipping hideous.

I have to second this comment - in print, the new SHO looks HORRIBLE. Automobile details it this month - only has a slushbox - albeit with slap shifting paddles... woohoo... I wish I could get excited.

However, I did have to chuckle - I saw the thread title and thought that it was referencing a 2nd Gen MS6. I did not notice the date at first. It is a good read though!!!

Matt

[ms6acton]

I have to second this comment - in print, the new SHO looks HORRIBLE. Automobile details it this month - only has a slushbox - albeit with slap shifting paddles... woohoo... I wish I could get excited.

However, I did have to chuckle - I saw the thread title and thought that it was referencing a 2nd Gen MS6. I did not notice the date at first. It is a good read though!!!

Matt

i also came in thinking it was about 2nd gen ms6, starting reading some of the posts then got confused lol.