Short-Ram Intake Group Buy

[InsidiousMSP]

(Reposted here with approval)

I've been getting a lot of inquiries lately regarding Billet Design's plans on the short-ram intake for MSPs. So, here's your chance... if 10 of you are interested in buying a SRI for your Mazdaspeed within the next week, a group buy will be started in the For Sale section. $200 +shipping. These are individually hand-crafted, not mass produced. 20% down will be needed from all interested members before production. If all of you can do that by February 16th, the intakes will be shipped before the end of the month. That's $40 before the 16th to reserve your intake. Includes all necessary couplings, BPV tubing, hose clamps, filter, breather line, bracket for relocating the coolant tank, instructions, etc. So, get that list of 10 together. :)

Quick FAQ:

Q: How much?
A: $200 plus shipping. Shipping won't be more than 20 bucks.

Q: How long does it take to install?
A: With the stock intake off, I can put my SRI on in 5 minutes.

Q: Will there be Dyno numbers?
A: No. It's an intake.

Q: What is better for the MSP, CAI or SRI?
A: Short-ram. No question. If you argue this, sell your car right now. :)

[SuperSpud]

well Im arguing.. why is everyone going nuts over the SRI?

[DiscreetSpeed]

how about a Injen and have the ability to have both? (evil) (outie)

[Black Majik MSP]

well Im arguing.. why is everyone going nuts over the SRI?

Take a look around at the intakes that ALL other turbo cars are running. 90% of them are SRIs & if you think about it, you'll understand why. A SRI improves airflow to the turbo, a FMIC is what cools the air (not a CAI).

[03MSPRO]

If the intakes does not come with a heat shield, then $200 seems too high for a SRI, specially when you can buy an Injen for $212 and be able to convert to CAI or SRI as you please.
Also, for a MSP at stock boost, a CAI is better, unless the SRI has a good heat shield. I am still a big believer than a SRI is better for MOST turbo cars, but not the MSP unless you increase the boost to +10 psi. If the CAI is not restrictive for the amount of flow, then cold air is always better. Let's say we have 2 glasses with the same amount of water. One glass has cold water from the frig and the other tap water. Let's put the 1st glass in the microwave for 1 minute, the the other. Which one will be hotter after 1 minute in the microwave? why? The tap water will be hotter after 1 minute in the microwave because it was hotter to begin with. So if the SRI is sucking hotter air than a CAI, then it will be hotter once it goes through the IC because it was hotter to begin with.
The debate is not whether hot or cold air is better. We know cold air is better and companies like AEM and Injen also know that, specially AEM since I believe in their reputation and R&D. Many times AEM only developed a SRI because they saw that a CAI was not beneficial.
The debate is that a CAI intake becomes restrictive because of the extra tubing and bends, but I don't think that's the case until you increase the boost. Guys with high revving engines with lots of HP have also figure this out, but for a regular driver with simple bolt ons a CAI works just fine. That's why you will never see a CAI with long pipes on a REAL race car. There is planty of information and dynos about this on ther boards if anyone is interested.
Just my opinion...

[Black Majik MSP]

I appreciate your thoughts, but this isn't the place to debate this. If you want cold air, get a FMIC, NOT a CAI. If you did your research, you would know that AEM's SRI performed better, but they aren't making it because it was more expensive & because they are a bunch of idiots (adding to the already oversaturated MSP CAI market).

[DiscreetSpeed]

another well said statement, my hat's off for you.(towards 03mspro's post)

[03MSPRO]

I was answering someone's question.....

[tiwing]

I was answering someone's question.....
And you did a great job of it too - I don't know why more people don't use science and logic in figuring this one out (screwy) . A FMIC will help a lot but on a street car you gotta start with as cool air as possible.

[Black Majik MSP]

I'm trying to be nice about this, but please don't come in here promoting CAIs acting like we haven't heard 8203480284023 of your explanations before as to why you think they're better. You are free to believe that & buy a CAI for yourself, but this thread is for people who want the Billet Design SRI, so if you don't want one, don't post in here.

[tiwing]

Take a look around at the intakes that ALL other turbo cars are running. 90% of them are SRIs & if you think about it, you'll understand why. A SRI improves airflow to the turbo, a FMIC is what cools the air (not a CAI).

Black Majik, I won't pollute this thread anymore after this post because you're right, it IS for people who want a SRI and that's cool, CAI and SRI each have their own (well documented) benefits. I guess my thought about questioning the SRI is that I'd hope to "prevent" someone from making an uninformed decision - say new people or people without much car knowledge.

I don't care if 90% of people are doing something, it doesn't make it right - if 90% of people jumped off a bridge would you do that too? Anyhow, hope you all enjoy your SRI, and I'll enjoy my CAI. :) Cheers.

[GAspeedProtege]

Will there be a heatshield? I'm more than likely going to be in on this, so add my name.

[Black Majik MSP]

Black Majik, I won't pollute this thread anymore after this post because you're right, it IS for people who want a SRI and that's cool, CAI and SRI each have their own (well documented) benefits. I guess my thought about questioning the SRI is that I'd hope to "prevent" someone from making an uninformed decision - say new people or people without much car knowledge.

I don't care if 90% of people are doing something, it doesn't make it right - if 90% of people jumped off a bridge would you do that too? Anyhow, hope you all enjoy your SRI, and I'll enjoy my CAI. :) Cheers.

You're basically talking about 90% of ALL of the turbocharged car owners in the world. That's a HUGE # & it includes some pretty damn smart people. If they jumped off, I'd be right behind them. :cool:

[t3ase]

Subscribing to this thread to keep an eye on it. This is a gauging interest thread, not a discussion.. Please keep it that way right now.

[InsidiousMSP]

(hand)

Please don't turn this into a debate (which I can't believe there is one). Either you want one... or you don't. :) It seemed like there were many more interested in actual Intakes here a few weeks ago, a sign of the forum as a whole becoming more educated... but it doesn't look promising now. Maybe I will post videos later of my car with the SRI that doesn't emit an animal-like sound from the stock BPV. That may actually entise people more than the actual performance gains. :p

-Insid... 14.3 @ 99mph, SRI & MBC.

[LiLiTaLy]

why is everyone so set on the injen cai. if you haven't noticed in reality it adds no power to the car. Something like a short ram intake will help further down the road for u guys looking to mod your car out. Look at any fast supra, evo, 300zx and what do you thats right a little pipe and an air filter. Nothing that goes into your fender. If you guys want a good product then look into this intake I guaratee it will help plus look at insidious he ran a 14.3 with just that intake and a mbc. Now start signing up. (yes)

[Black Majik MSP]

Maybe I will post videos later of my car with the SRI that doesn't emit an animal-like sound from the stock BPV. That may actually entise people more than the actual performance gains. :p

(rofl)
If I had the $$, I would definately buy this, but I'm still in the hole as it is. :( Care to sponsor me?...I'm excellent at spreading the word on the forum & at car meets. :p

[unwrittenLaw]

why is everyone so set on the injen cai. if you haven't noticed in reality it adds no power to the car. Something like a short ram intake will help further down the road for u guys looking to mod your car out. Look at any fast supra, evo, 300zx and what do you thats right a little pipe and an air filter. Nothing that goes into your fender. If you guys want a good product then look into this intake I guaratee it will help plus look at insidious he ran a 14.3 with just that intake and a mbc. Now start signing up. (yes)



:rolleyes:

[t3ase]

guys, last chance.. this is a gauge interest thread not a discussion.

[03MSPRO]

If it was not that I already bought an intake, I would join this GB. Again,
does it include a heatshield?

[InsidiousMSP]

Heatshield is still up in the air. Billet doesn't think it's necessary, but if you guys really want one for the GB to happen, it can probably be an option for maybe $10 more.

[rocketspeed]

Damn, T3ase, those pics just keep getting better. You've got a wild one on your hands there.

[GAspeedProtege]

Yes, I'm interested.

[t3ase]

Yay!

The list:
1. LiLiTaLy
2. GAspeedProtege
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10.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Count me in....with the heatshield

[t3ase]

The list:
1. LiLiTaLy
2. GAspeedProtege
3. MazdaSpeeder00
4.
5.
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9.
10.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Oh and not to be a smartass...........but colder water actually heats up faster........sorry its the truth (blah)


SO is the SRI gonna make the spooling of the turbo more noticeable?? and all other intake noise.............I kinda want that

[evilmonkeyMSP]

im in if it haapens soon....i gotts money burning a whole

1. LiLiTaLy
2. GAspeedProtege
3. MazdaSpeeder00
4. fkmitsu
5.
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9.
10.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

im in if it haapens soon....i gotts money burning a whole

I think your money isnt the only thing burning.........you must run your car pretty hard lol (flame2)

[blaxer]

Oh and not to be a smartass...........but colder water actually heats up faster........sorry its the truth (blah)

Huh? Just gonna piss on every chemistry and thermo/fluid dynamics theory in history huh? j/k... Gonna have to explain this one though, a PM would be fine.

Sorry for the threadjack.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

[QUOTE=MazdaSpeeder00]Oh and not to be a smartass...........but colder water actually heats up faster........sorry its the truth (blah)

Huh? Just gonna piss on every chemistry and thermo/fluid dynamics theory in history huh? j/k... Gonna have to explain this one though, a PM would be fine.

Sorry for the threadjack.

Its all good,

Its pretty basic actually...
Cold waters molecules are pretty much still and closer to one another......so when heated they are quicker to bounce off one another since they are closer thus gaining faster speed and created energy(heat) more quickly. It was said which heats quicker.

I dont want to argue about it since its not on topic.......I apologize for even saying something

[Glowmunkey]

1. LiLiTaLy
2. GAspeedProtege
3. MazdaSpeeder00
4. fkmitsu
5. glowmunkey - interested, but also watching Wagner's FMIC etc.
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[MazdaSpeeder00]

I dont want to argue about it since its not on topic.......I apologize for even saying something[/QUOTE]

READ THIS

[spacemonkey]

Billet Design is good quality stuff. I wouldnt mind forking out $200 for a SRI...if this group buy was posted 6 hrs earlier. I even called black majik askin where I can get a Injen because I was tired of waiting. The time has finally come...

This is a good deal guys...cant put a price on quality. A SRI is better for performance. CAI is good for daily driving. SRI+ A good FMIC= Badass!

Injen CAI was a pain to install. So hopefully I'll have mine converted to SRI. But if you think about it...this is cheaper then doing Injen SRI conversion.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Billet Design is good quality stuff. I wouldnt mind forking out $200 for a SRI...if this group buy was posted 6 hrs earlier. I even called black majik askin where I can get a Injen because I was tired of waiting. The time has finally come...

This is a good deal guys...cant put a price on quality. A SRI is better for performance. CAI is good for daily driving. SRI+ A good FMIC= Badass!

Injen CAI was a pain to install. So hopefully I'll have mine converted to SRI. But if you think about it...this is cheaper then doing Injen SRI conversion.

Thanks for the info... 5 more people (2thumbs)

[vIZIon4]

InsidiousMSP: I PM'd you. were those details, ok? if so, put me on the list. Thanks!

[MazdaSpeeder00]

.................bump

[MazdaSpeeder00]

well its not looking like were gonna make it :(

[InsidiousMSP]

well its not looking like were gonna make it :(

I'm gonna extend this for a few more days. But even if the list is not full, Billet still may go ahead and do the intakes for the 5 interested.

[SaaBaaDoo]

if you reserve one for $40, when is the rest due by?

Thanks

[InsidiousMSP]

if you reserve one for $40, when is the rest due by?

Thanks

2-3 days before shipping.

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

i'm interested.

piping must be 80mm. (just dropped $130 for an apexi power intake for 80mm and i don't want that to be unusable.)

must accomodate all sensors, must have some way to support everything, and a way to relocate the bottle if necessary.

i'de search but it'de take me days to find anything. my routing problem sucks. i'm luckey this even posted.

[MazdaSpeeder00]

Id have to say this GB died a long time ago.... Im out by the way....sorry took way to long. :(