Anyone who has drivin' a MSP and a Spec V, report here!

[acelesson]

Does the MSP have as much pep as a Spec V does? I have drivin in a Spec V, and it gets up and goes pretty good. Does the Protege do the same?

I am very interested because they have 2 new ones at the dealer in my town for 15,500.

Thanks in advance!

[pdhaudio83]

get one for 15500- that price CANT be beat. wow.
my dad paid 20000 last feb :(

[jersey_emt]

They're very close in performance. But drive them both before you choose. I would choose the MSP without a second thought...but your opinion may differ.

[Nextruss]

the msp will easily out handle the spev v but i did ride in my friend's spec v with 170-180whp (cold air, headers, exhaust) and it was p'retty quick, and the 6th gear is nice too, btw, msp hauls ass too! =)

[akhilleus]

spec v is definately comparable hp wise but there are some clear differences. The msp is turbo'd the spec-v is a 2.5L. So acceleration and speed will be different. However the msp outhandles the spec-v any day. And honestly the spec-v is ugly. I bought a p5 over a se-r. thats a 35hp difference but the handling and look make up for it.

[zmepro]

i test drove a spec v before buying my p5, it was alot smaller on the interior and it torquesteered like a mofo

[robsir00]

Hello acelesson.....

I've driven the Spec V with the brembo package,the brembo brakes shine , very powerful and direct feeling ,PUT ON YOUR SEATBELT FOLKS!!!! . Good sound system by rocksford 9 speakers and nice 6 speed tranny,the shift nob was cheap and felt like it came from a toy store . They improved it from the 2003 model ,its now a little shorter and better feeling. The front seats are nice and supportive.The price is attractive ,for $24 000 and change you get the brembo package ,sunroof,sound system. Power wise nice smooth engine ,but hitting that red line too quickly in first and you always hit the rev limiter. It would need a higher red line and that would solve one of the problems . The engine is very tunable and stillen has lots of performance parts for this car ,from skirts to engine and suspension . Handling is good but cracks and creeks are heard from front and behind and this car only had 21 km on it. The touchy feely is not great meaning it's like an echo . Paint is good but i noticed 2 different colors between the hood and fender . Maybe accidented I have no idea but paint looked original . Overall price wise its a good car and if the mazdaspeed was non existant I would get one with the brembo package. On the handling the mazda is definatly better packaged with tokico and racing beat you have quality thats used in some of the best racecars in the world . Braking wise, If I could get my hands on that impressive brembo package I would JUMP on it . But the mazdas are very good , I would just upgrade the brake lines with s/s . Soundsystem wise both are excellent but I did not use the spec v's to the max . Tranny wise I prefer the mazdas shorter more direct ,too bad they did not add that extra cog and make it a sixer like the miatas . I like touchy feely of the mazda over the specv,but i would trade in the mazda seats for the nissans . Engine wise they both performe about the same and are both good to modify , maybe the spec v is a little better modifing wise ,it has stronger internals than the mazda, but what the speed has is a nice turbo asking to be modified . But be carefull and don't over boost this engine without good fuel and spark management or KAAABBBOOOOMMM . New Engine please . You have to drive them both . One is turbo and the other is N/A . Both have their goods and bads . I also prefer the look of the mazda , more aggresive look . The nissans spec v still looks like a sentra ,and 2004 they all have the same front add maybe a little bit of honeycomb. I prefered the 2003 spec v front than the 2004 look . Try them both and let us know what you choose....I know what I would but now it's up to you . Good luck....






Originally posted by acelesson
Does the MSP have as much pep as a Spec V does? I have drivin in a Spec V, and it gets up and goes pretty good. Does the Protege do the same?

I am very interested because they have 2 new ones at the dealer in my town for 15,500.

Thanks in advance!

[mspgirlie]

i just got my msp and i love it i could not be happier with it and i paid 18500 for mine and i just got it on jan 12th so if u can get it for 15500 i would say go for it

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by acelesson
Does the MSP have as much pep as a Spec V does? I have drivin in a Spec V, and it gets up and goes pretty good. Does the Protege do the same?

I am very interested because they have 2 new ones at the dealer in my town for 15,500.

Thanks in advance!
if its performace your lookin for, let me say this..they're a joke to me, i used to think they were quick WHEN i was stock, now its like they dont exsist...msp is what would want between the two if performance is what your lookin for. spec v's are not in our category(at least some of ours, lol)

[shaolin]

Every time I see discreetspeed post, I get real apprehensive...Like I'm going to read about KABOOM!!!

Knock on wood...

[robsir00]

Now Now guys don't get your panties all tangled up . We all know wich one of these cars is better . Let people judge on their own . Can't read a book by it's cover...........(bicker) (bicker) ;)

[lastsaga]

well.. i haven't been in the new new 2004 spec-v's, but 6 (read: SIX) of my friends own the 2003 spec-v's (5 black and 1 white). power, handling -- they're pretty similar. the MSP's interior is much nicer though. everything just feels more solid, but of course, that's up to you to judge.

the shifter in the spec-v feels like plastic.. and there isn't much resistance on the clutch pedal, which makes it a little awkward for me to use.

hmm.. other than that, i like how the MSP really sets itself apart from regular proteges, but sometimes it's hard for me to tell the difference between the spec-v and a regular SE-R.

hmm.. about the rockford fosgate system -- i heard that it's only rockford fosgate POWERED (ie. only the amplifier is rockford fosgate, whereas for the MSP the speakers, amplifier, and subwoofer are all kenwood). don't quote me on that though :P

[ricenudles]

Originally posted by acelesson
Does the MSP have as much pep as a Spec V does? I have drivin in a Spec V, and it gets up and goes pretty good. Does the Protege do the same?


I used to own a '02 Sentra spec-v before i flipped it. Stock for stock, no the msp isn't quicker than the spec-v IMO. With hesitation and all that good stuff beleaguering the msp, the spec-v will pull stronger and harder w/o a problem. The spec-v just pours with torque. Yeah, the msp is torquey too but just not as much.

Handling. The msp will own the '02 spec-v at handling. Not so sure about the '04s (supposedly they hold .88g instead of the old .84g).

After owning the spec v for an year and owning a msp for about 3 1/2 months, i just love the msp so much more. BTW the turning radius is HORRIBLE on the spec-vs.

jus my .02

[Yellospeed]

Here's some bad things about the Spec-V versus the MSP that I noticed when I was making the same decision:

U-turns on a Spec-V suck ass... one of the worst turning radiuses out there... rivals a really big SUV... not a sport compact.

Build quality of the Spec-V is to be desired, due to cheaper production in Mexico versus the Japanese build quality of the mazda.
look for things like:
-foam strips shooting out of the air vents (foam barf)
-trunk leaking water from lack of wheelwell undercoating.
-non-folding side mirrors
-mismatched paint on the body (see the rear lisence plate area and the side mirrors etc... )
-sometimes the doors are misaligned...
-Spec-v wheels that have cracked for no reason...


Yeah.. that's all I can remember off the top of my head... all from experience or reading off the sentrab15 board...

Look for yourself... youshould notice some of these at least anyways...

The cool thing about the sentra... is the flip top dash... yummy... fits a pop-up screen perfectly.

[Damaga]

solid rear axle!!! enough said...

[Glhboy]

I guess I'm biased, I have had 2 Spec-V's now and a Protege 5 inbetween the 2 Spec's. I had an 02 Spec and an 04 Spec now. I loved them both. I have not driven an MSP though so it's hard to say what would be better in performance and handling wise. The Spec handles very good in my opinion, better than my P5 did. It's also very torqey, low end. Yeah the look of the 04 Spec in the front is not as good as the 02,03's, but oh well. Sunroof and Cruise Control are also nice options on the Spec as well.

Either way it's your choice. I like the looks of the MSP a lot as well, but for me it was the Nissan for the second time.

[I'm Allen]

I traded my 02 spec V for my 03 MSP. Stock vs. stock, it's definitely a driver's race. I started autocrossing so I switched to the MSP. Much better handling. My wife has an 03 SVT Focus. Might want to test drive that also. Kinda 'girlie' to me but a nice car all-in-all. Just my $0.02.

Allen-

[rocketspeed]

I've driven both. Considered both cars when I bought the MSP.

Folks around here will be biased, but they are VERY, VERY similar in performance when comparing stock to stock. Both have LSD's, they put out almost exactly the same peak power and torque on a dyno. The Spec-V's torque band is a good deal wider, though. That engine is strong on torque. They'll lay down almost identical 0-60 and 1/4 mi times. Definately would be a driver's race in the 1/4.

The Spec V has a few advantages over the MSP- the 6 speed, the torquey motor, more available options and they are available cheaper- the base Spec V omits some stuff like anti-lock brakes and the upgraded stereo, though. The Spec V's motor is NA instead of FI, which should be good for reliability in the long run.

The MSP's rear suspension is (on paper) a better design, although mine was first clunky, now just squeaky with the new bushings, those have been a dissapointment.

The Spec V doesn't respond quite as predictably when pushed- the MSP is an easy car to drive fast, when you exceed the car's limits it behaves in a controllable manner. The Spec V can get a little wild when driven hard- understeer can turn into big time oversteer very quickly and that's hard to control.

The MSP has a better shifter and better steering than the Spec V. It does lack that 6th gear, though, so revs are high on the highway. The Spec V's gear ratios were changed and 1st is a little taller, but its still too short and its hard to not burn up the tires, then ram into the rev limiter in 1st. The shifter isn't very well sorted out, so the gearbox is cruncy and fast shifts are tough without grinding gears.

The interior and exterior of the MSP are nicer, IMHO. In the end it was the looks and interior layout that sold me on the MSP, as well as the better shifter and steering. It was a tough decision, though, and if I were to have the same decision again, it'd be tough again. The MSP's suspension is awesome, but the creaks and clunks and squeaks it puts out all the time have been a let down. Still, I love the MSP- very fun to drive. So is the Spec V if you ask me.

IN the end, drive them both and pick the one you like best. Each has its pros and cons- they're pretty equal.

[Glhboy]

Originally posted by rocketspeed
I've driven both. Considered both cars when I bought the MSP.

Folks around here will be biased, but they are VERY, VERY similar in performance when comparing stock to stock. Both have LSD's, they put out almost exactly the same peak power and torque on a dyno. The Spec-V's torque band is a good deal wider, though. That engine is strong on torque. They'll lay down almost identical 0-60 and 1/4 mi times. Definately would be a driver's race in the 1/4.

The Spec V has a few advantages over the MSP- the 6 speed, the torquey motor, more available options and they are available cheaper- the base Spec V omits some stuff like anti-lock brakes and the upgraded stereo, though. The Spec V's motor is NA instead of FI, which should be good for reliability in the long run.

The MSP's rear suspension is (on paper) a better design, although mine was first clunky, now just squeaky with the new bushings, those have been a dissapointment.

The Spec V doesn't respond quite as predictably when pushed- the MSP is an easy car to drive fast, when you exceed the car's limits it behaves in a controllable manner. The Spec V can get a little wild when driven hard- understeer can turn into big time oversteer very quickly and that's hard to control.

The MSP has a better shifter and better steering than the Spec V. It does lack that 6th gear, though, so revs are high on the highway. The Spec V's gear ratios were changed and 1st is a little taller, but its still too short and its hard to not burn up the tires, then ram into the rev limiter in 1st. The shifter isn't very well sorted out, so the gearbox is cruncy and fast shifts are tough without grinding gears.

The interior and exterior of the MSP are nicer, IMHO. In the end it was the looks and interior layout that sold me on the MSP, as well as the better shifter and steering. It was a tough decision, though, and if I were to have the same decision again, it'd be tough again. The MSP's suspension is awesome, but the creaks and clunks and squeaks it puts out all the time have been a let down. Still, I love the MSP- very fun to drive. So is the Spec V if you ask me.

IN the end, drive them both and pick the one you like best. Each has its pros and cons- they're pretty equal.

Good review man. ;)

[MazdaDryvr]

I have a friend who bought a 02 spec v. I drove it, looked at it and bought a 02 P5. I have since upgraded to an 03 MSP. Briefly, I guess the reasons were primarily the overall appearence inside and out. The nissan feels and looks cheap inside and the exterior stlying is ugly. It does have the larger engine and more after market support but that's only importent if you plan on modding. I dont so the the Mazdas were the way to go. (I think my specv friend is jealous too btw ;) )

[MSPRO]

my bf has a 03 spec v and he is dying to get rid of it. it is slowly falling apart on him. i used to have an 01 se and it was better quality then his 03 spec. as far as speed wise, they are about the same in the end, but getting there is what is different. my MSP feels faster than his Spec b.c of how the turbo works and how it helps in acceleration. The MSP is definantly more spacious on the inside and you can actually fit people in the back, unlike any b15 platform sentra. And personally I don't like the way sentra's look, yeah I had one for over 2 years ,but I made it look as best I could with custom stuff. I can't stand the way they look stock.

[DiscreetSpeed]

then you mod it bump up the boost and fly by him (evil).....then youll find yourself doing this to him(hah)

[MSPRO]

He's selling the spec for an 04 Subaru 2.5 TS wagon anyways so I don't have to worry about bumping the boost lol :)

[INGREXCO]

i test drove both and here is why i honestly chose the msp
the spec v felt the same as far as acceleration, and i loved the exterior looks of a spec v. but inside the mazdaspeed is so much more bad ass. the spec v felt like just a normal car

[Swerny]

I have driven both.
I think the stock straight-line performance is equal.
I liked the Spec V's sunroof, brakes, side air bags and 6 speed.
I didn't like the dash, the stereo, the pass through (small) or the overall exterior look.
I bought the MSP and it was a good $3000 more than the Spec V, and I probably could have haggled more on the Nissan than the Mazda.
IMHO, the MSP looks way better, has a better interior, wheels, stereo.

[MSPRO]

another thing to think about, spec's resale value is as bad if not worse than the MSP b.c they can't sell the new ones so they are pratically giving them away.

[INGREXCO]

resale on a spec v worse than a mazdaspeed? damn dude and i thought our resale was bad

[Glhboy]

Both have a $2000 rebate right now and Mazda has the dealer cash as well.

[b_tapper]

Since I've driven both...
Even though I hate my car...it's still better than the msp for one reason. My car doesn't try and beat the living shit out of you on every bump and pebble on the road. The spec definitely has more down low power but the msp quickly makes up for it as the revs go up. Not really a fan of either transmission but the mazda one is light years better than the nissan's. I have the typical won't go into reverse or third issues lol. The spec has an awful stereo that was a huge option on my car, the back seat is useless, and it has the built in mexico build quality.

[b_tapper]

Originally posted by MS MSP
I have driven both.
I think the stock straight-line performance is equal.
I liked the Spec V's sunroof, brakes, side air bags and 6 speed.
I didn't like the dash, the stereo, the pass through (small) or the overall exterior look.
I bought the MSP and it was a good $3000 more than the Spec V, and I probably could have haggled more on the Nissan than the Mazda.
IMHO, the MSP looks way better, has a better interior, wheels, stereo.

I got offered nearly 14k as a trade in for mine :p
no one wants the new facelifted one though

[muohio]

I have driven both and I remember how let down I was after all of the hype for the Spec V. The gearing is terrible when you consider that the 6 speed only takes two shifts to get to 60+mph when the 5 speed in the Mazda takes the same amount. If they would only shorten the gears like in STi, the car would be a lot faster. Secondly, owning Nissans in the past, they seem to loosen up and wear down quickly. I really hated the torque steer and have not felt anything close to it in my MSP. Finally, Nissan took an aggressive looking car and turned it into an ugly economy car. This is the first time that a car manufacturer has went 10 years back in styling.

[DZnutz]

i compared both cars directly when i was shoppin... the spec was alot cheaper than the msp a year ago so it was a tradeoff but now with the msp goin for as much as a spec its a no brainer. the msp has far better quality and is made from much better parts, sure it has its quirks but so does the spec. its made in japan unlike mexico for the spec so u decide

[tonkabui]

turboge, a member on here, sold his spec-v for an msp. then he sold the msp for an evo. guess that's the proper way of moving upwards. he told me the spec-v overheated at the track. no bueno. the msp has never done so.

[b_tapper]

Weird my spec never overheated on the track, my subaru did all the time. I know amy's msp has awful heat soak issues, she has a hard time keeping up with dump trucks after driving her car for a while :p

[mazdaspeed75]

Im with discreet on this one I had some kids come beside me the other night and the passenger klept wanting us to race. So he gave the thumbs up put it in second see Ya Cant wait to get down pipe and up the boost . Then me and discreet will race hahahahahahhaha

[acelesson]

Yeah guys, this is a hard decision, lol. I guess what im tryin to say is, if the MSP can get up and go like a Spec V, ill be sold on the Mazdaspeed.

[Ehawley]

I owned a 2003 spec v for 3 months before a tree fell on it. Then I bought an MSP. I drove 12,000 miles in my spec v and have driven 23,000 in my MSP. Here are my impressions.

Spec v:
Better seats
More umph off the line, felt like you were taking off.
6 speed transmission

MSP:
Better looking (the 2004 spec v's look like ass imho, the stupid nissan symbol stuck to the front end is huge)
Easier to mod (turbo gives you more options)
Waaaaay better handling (the spec v isnt even in the same class in this area)
Stereo 450 watt amp standard

The final factor in my mind is cost. Take the money would would have spent on the spec v and put it in the MSP and you will definatly have a better car.

[MSPRO]

Originally posted by b_tapper
Weird my spec never overheated on the track, my subaru did all the time. I know amy's msp has awful heat soak issues, she has a hard time keeping up with dump trucks after driving her car for a while :p

ok yeah that is true, but any car will be slower after driving pretty much 5 hours stright going 80+ on the highway lol

[MSPRO]

Originally posted by b_tapper
Since I've driven both...
Even though I hate my car...it's still better than the msp for one reason. My car doesn't try and beat the living shit out of you on every bump and pebble on the road. The spec definitely has more down low power but the msp quickly makes up for it as the revs go up. Not really a fan of either transmission but the mazda one is light years better than the nissan's. I have the typical won't go into reverse or third issues lol. The spec has an awful stereo that was a huge option on my car, the back seat is useless, and it has the built in mexico build quality.


lol ok ,you are always complaining about your car beating you up on the roads of Pitt. So thats not entirely true. But you do like my car better, infact you are the reason I bought it. B.c you wanted one.

[mspeedpro]

if thats what ur really wanting to know... thread is over. msp with $150 in mods will own ALMOST any spec v out there with the standard HIE mods. threads closed. welcome to the board d00d

[mspeedpro]

oh ya, what color msp do u see?? please tell me its not silver...

[b_tapper]

Originally posted by 01Se_to_03MSP
lol ok ,you are always complaining about your car beating you up on the roads of Pitt. So thats not entirely true. But you do like my car better, infact you are the reason I bought it. B.c you wanted one.

and I almost bought myself one too ;)
I think my struts are shot since the ride has gone down dramaticaly in the last month or so :confused: It does have like 2 inches of suspension travel and it's always bottoming out on anything lol. I dunno anymore lol...both cars are painful to drive around here though

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by acelesson
Yeah guys, this is a hard decision, lol. I guess what im tryin to say is, if the MSP can get up and go like a Spec V, ill be sold on the Mazdaspeed.
dude there is no way a spec-v compares like that....listen to me"they are slow...the most you can get with bolt-ons is what 180hp....theres no way a n/a spec v would compete with a msp with basic bolt-ons at 12psi.....no freakin way!!....or in some of these guys cases 10psi."

[Morgan]

Originally posted by muohio
Secondly, owning Nissans in the past, they seem to loosen up and wear down quickly.

waa? Having owned several Nissans and having worked at an Infiniti dealership for a while i can guarantee thats not true.. I can't speak for the new Sentras and Altimas since i have no experience with them, but in general Nissans have been pretty high up there in quality compared to a lot of other manufacturers.

[MazdaDryvr]

I had a 89 Maxima SE. First and last Nissan I will ever own. 'nuff said.

[MSPRO]

the newer nissans seem to be more cheaply made and fall apart easier then the old ones. I bought my 01 se b.c i knew how good the b13's were and figured a b15 would be good too. Wrong i had stupid crap going wrong from the get go. Not to mention I had to replace the tranny b.c of bearing fatigue on the input shaft, which made the seal break and that made the clutch go out b.c of fluid leaking into the bell housing. I would much rather buy an older Nissan than a new one anyday after what Ive been through.

[ricenudles]

Im not trying to thread jack or anything, but do any of you acutally feel the boost kicking in? like the way it does on a wrx. My car seriously feels like a normal NA car in acceleration. I bring this up because a lot of ppl seem to agree that the spec v and msp, stock for stock, are equal or a "driver's race." Just wondering because i doubt my msp can pull on a civic si (fawking hesistation).

[marashka]

Originally posted by ricenudles
Im not trying to thread jack or anything, but do any of you acutally feel the boost kicking in? like the way it does on a wrx. My car seriously feels like a normal NA car in acceleration. I bring this up because a lot of ppl seem to agree that the spec v and msp, stock for stock, are equal or a "driver's race." Just wondering because i doubt my msp can pull on a civic si (fawking hesistation).

there is almost no turbo lag in our cars, thats why it feels like a NA car but i'd rather have that , then having to wait for a second or so after you floor it for turbo to kick in.

[DiscreetSpeed]

Originally posted by marashka
there is almost no turbo lag in our cars, thats why it feels like a NA car but i'd rather have that , then having to wait for a second or so after you floor it for turbo to kick in.
yah at stock its pretty linear.

[mspeedpro]

without the flashy u could sure as hell feel it

[ND4MSP]

After reading all of this and feeling undecisive still, the tie breaker would have to be the coolnes factor. Buy a MSP and you will literally drive around for weeks to months at a time without ever seeing another one, unless you have the spare time to go to all of your local msp meets. I've never driven or been with arms reach of a spec-v, so I won't say a speed is better. Have you gotten an opinion from a nissan board yet? The opinions may be mirrored but you never now.

[solospeed]

well my friend has a spec v and they are peppy little cars, but he he would alway take off quicker than me but I always won. he had to get a CAI, cat-back exhaust, pulley, and headers just to beat my car stock.....

[rocketspeed]

I've seen exactly 2 MSP's on the road other than mine ever. I see a lot more Spec V's.

Drive the Focus SVT if you're looking. The SVT is just a hair slower 0-60, but its easier to drive fast than either car. Less torque steer and it gives up very, very little in handling to the MSP, despite the lack of an LSD.

Also, the SVT doesn't have the noisy suspension issues of the MSP. It does have its own set of issues, but on the whole, I've been slightly happier with our SVT than our MSP. I love both cars, but I REALLY love the SVT.

[MazdaDryvr]

Blasphemey! ;)

[Glhboy]

Originally posted by rocketspeed
I've seen exactly 2 MSP's on the road other than mine ever. I see a lot more Spec V's.

Drive the Focus SVT if you're looking. The SVT is just a hair slower 0-60, but its easier to drive fast than either car. Less torque steer and it gives up very, very little in handling to the MSP, despite the lack of an LSD.

Also, the SVT doesn't have the noisy suspension issues of the MSP. It does have its own set of issues, but on the whole, I've been slightly happier with our SVT than our MSP. I love both cars, but I REALLY love the SVT.

I have not driven the SVT Focus, but I hear it does handle well. I had a ZX3 when they first came out and I lowered it with some better wheels/tires and it handled like it was on rails.

[Uturnman]

well my friend has a spec v and they are peppy little cars, but he he would alway take off quicker than me but I always won. he had to get a CAI, cat-back exhaust, pulley, and headers just to beat my car stock.....

Yeah, just about what I've seen happen too between both cars. The shorter gearing in the Spec V will help it get off the line faster, but it also does it in as the speed gets higher.

The Spec V probably has the shortest 1st gear of any car I've driven. It's very hard not to hit the rev limiter in 1st. Then in third it seems like it hits a wall (gearing is probably too close together with 2nd gear) and then pulls nicely in fourth gear.

[t3ase]

if its performace your lookin for, let me say this..they're a joke to me, i used to think they were quick WHEN i was stock, now its like they dont exsist...msp is what would want between the two if performance is what your lookin for. spec v's are not in our category(at least some of ours, lol)
(evil)

[Uturnman]

if its performace your lookin for, let me say this..they're a joke to me, i used to think they were quick WHEN i was stock, now its like they dont exsist...msp is what would want between the two if performance is what your lookin for. spec v's are not in our category(at least some of ours, lol)
LOL, DiscreetSpeed that's harsh man, but so true. BLU BY U runs circles around them now running only 10 psi. In your case I bet you don't even waste your gas on them anymore, lol

[t3ase]

It does get kinda boring now since I have no one to play with here in Austin anymore cept WRXs and trying to beat S2000s. Still haven't done the S2000, though. Maybe when the FMIC gets ordered..

[computerGeek]

I drove a Spec-v... NISSAN SUX . Its a piece of crap. slow clutch feels like crap handling is to crappy, jee you think it might be crap. It is. It is so sluggish too. you just feel the engine going "ithink i can i think i can. the MSP pulls in comparison!

I hate NISSAN!!!!!!!!

[Uturnman]

It does get kinda boring now since I have no one to play with here in Austin anymore cept WRXs and trying to beat S2000s. Still haven't done the S2000, though. Maybe when the FMIC gets ordered..
Yeah, I would get everything I could before trying against the S2000 :)

I have to keep holding BLU BY U back from trying, lol. He doesn't seem too grasp the idea that 10 psi on an otherwise stock MSP is not enough to take a S2000, lol

[t3ase]

My friend won't race me off the line cause I think he knows I'd jump on him but we have somewhat played around at highway speeds and their top end up eats our cars alive.

[Uturnman]

My friend won't race me off the line cause I think he knows I'd jump on him but we have somewhat played around at highway speeds and their top end up eats our cars alive.

Top end on the S2000 is unbelievable. At least you can say that you'd get the jump on him. That's certainly more than I can say...lol

[Uturnman]

I hate NISSAN!!!!!!!!

Go ahead computerGeek, tell us how you really feel about Nissan, lol.

All in all I think the SpecV is a good car for what you get. Not in even close in the styling department compared to the MSP IMHO, but we all know styling and looks are subjective.

[t3ase]

I drove a Spec-v... NISSAN SUX . Its a piece of crap. slow clutch feels like crap handling is to crappy, jee you think it might be crap. It is. It is so sluggish too. you just feel the engine going "ithink i can i think i can. the MSP pulls in comparison!

I hate NISSAN!!!!!!!!
My MSP clutch felt like crap until I got the ACT put in. They're both nice cars, it just depends on what you ultimately ant to do with the car.

[computerGeek]

I like our heavy clutches on the MSP. it releases alot quicker too. Atleast i think! maybe i test drove a POSlike the Z i bought, I guess i have bad luck with Nissans. Everyone i have ever driven has been a POS. oh, and I really hate NISSAN

[t3ase]

Well, have gone through two stock clutches already, I've kinda already been "convinced" that our stock clutches are not that great. Or at least how they are installed isn't that great.