accident

[MazdaVK5]

I crashed my P5 tonight due to poor road condition and bad tires. The stock Dunlop SPort5000 tires are total garbage anyone who has them change them quickly. I had 4 others in the car with me, everyones fine..could of been alot worse or not of happened if i had better tires...the cars not totaled but will need alot of work. I want to throw on a full body kit..any suggestions?? thanks.

-robb

[Roywhitep5]

what exactly happened?

[SpicyMchaggis]

bad tires? they aren't that bad man. what exactly happened..?

[Ceej]

Where do you live? Was it a snow and ice situation?

Glad you are o.k.....now you know how valuable snow tires are.

[uclap5]

our stock tires are great.... in summer on good roads. ;)

I would suggest mintblue or wings west or buddy club 2

[chuyler1]

Not driving in relation to the road conditions is not the fault of the tires...blame yourself not the tires.

[ChopstickHero]

Dunlops are not bad tires.... in the wet or dry. however, they are really shitty in the winter, snow and ice. they are actually rated high performance all season. so that itself is an indication that the treading isn't geared for severe winter usage. maybe you should have evaluated your driving situation before you blame it all on your tires.

[Micah]

I am driving on the stock dunlops - second winter in a row. You just need to use your head when snow is on the ground.

[chuyler1]

Originally posted by Micah
I am driving on the stock dunlops - second winter in a row. You just need to use your head when snow is on the ground.
Ditto here...the ABS helps me out as well. I have no problems in snow, rain, half-and-half.

[Ceej]

I don't think my car has ABS.....

[MazdaVK5]

20mph was still in 1st gear comin off a side street less than an inch of snow..i slid over 50feet and hit a wall head on the front rear tire shredded and the steel belt was exposed afta the accident

[MazdaVK5]

i never had a problem before i drove over 90miles with over 2feet of snow on the ground and i held just fine. when the cops and firefights arrived they found half the tire stuck up in the wheel well...ill try and post pics tomorro

[Lord_Zath]

What's a front rear tire? Where can I get one of those?

LZ

[mazdaowner123]

So you were driving pretty "spiritedly", yes? 20 MPH in first is what rpms?

~brian

[MazdaVK5]

a front right tire*, and i dont kno the tires were just spinnin i really never had too much control

[wanger68]

yeah.. 20MPH in first? thats just nuts... in snow (with crappy tires)you want the lowest amount of torque you can manage so you don't just spin em but instead get just a gradual acceleration.... unless you are aiming to go up a bigass hill... wackiness

oh yeah... glad you are ok... when its all done, I'm sure your ride will end up looking badass

[MazdaVK5]

yea i hope so too i need new rims too so hopefully ill cop some 18s and slam it out with a kit

[Ceej]

Wanna hear something......strange? I was kind of thinking that if I got into a minor fender bender I could put a body kit on my car in the spring. he he he Lots of winter left!

[MazdaVK5]

cars totaled.

[Ceej]

Originally posted by MazdaVK5
cars totaled.

Oh dude, you are kidding! Well, no starts the fight with the insurance company.

[wanger68]

DAMN! thats crazy! sorry to hear that man... hope your "negotiations" wit the insurance company go well... keep us posted

[LapisBlueProteg]

thats is ur insurance company for ya to total the car out. they better pay the rest of bill off if not done already. the better buy a car for u as well i am sure that its not a total lost. i have a friend that took a 95 vw jetta that had no trunk and fixed it and it looks sick as hell.

[eting_pro5]

Originally posted by MazdaVK5
20mph was still in 1st gear comin off a side street less than an inch of snow..



Originally posted by MazdaVK5
i dont kno the tires were just spinnin i really never had too much control





'NUFF SAID

[chuyler1]

I second that...many people recommend starting in 2nd gear for slippery conditions...and here's the trick...if you have no traction, take your foot off the gas, and if you are braking and have no traction, pump the brakes because your car will continue to go straight unless the front wheels can turn...if they're locked up you're going to ride the snow like a sled.

[MazdaVK5]

yea theres "over 10grand"(insurance appraisor) in damages from new radiators and engine mounts and headers to frame damage and rims and tires its just a mess of parts internal and exterally that are needed to be replaced

[Groza187]

I like your avatar, MazdaVK5...

[Mr. Win]

at least now you can buy a real car like a wrx awd would be goood for you.

[Noxide]

that sux

[mcstark]

Not to bash ya, but 20 mph in first is 4500 rpm. You should be short shifting at 2000 rpm out of first, or starting in second.

Slow down...you coulda really hurt one of your friends. Trust me...I totalled my Neon in the snow -- it was my fault. Now I save the "fast" driving for the summer months.

[cbcbd]

That sucks about the totaling and accident and all.
But like all have said, dude, 20mph in 1st? You were in the torquiest gear at the peak of the torque. In the winter just get out of 1st gear into 2nd as soon as possible.

Hope you get a good deal from insurance, good luck.

[RaiderMP5]

I had Dunlops, and with the Florida Rain, I lost traction a lot in the heavy rain here. After only 8000 miles, they were replaced with Yokohama ES-100's. Immediately, I noticed I had more traction, and have yet to have any problems after 4000 miles. Highly recommend the tires.

[Ceej]

I plan on using my stock tires for racing SCCA this season, I want to just DESTROY these things so that I can buy some really nice street tires.

[bazooka joe]

good luck! remember no more high revs in the snow!! try starting in a higher gear if you can. best to ya!

[MazdaVK5]

hahah thanks guys i was thinking about buying it back from insurance and fixing it myself but putting on the carbon fiber front end and everything and making it into a little race car ha

[fkmp5]

Robb.. sorry to hear about your misfortune.. at least you still have your avatar ;)

[Ceej]

Originally posted by MazdaVK5
hahah thanks guys i was thinking about buying it back from insurance and fixing it myself but putting on the carbon fiber front end and everything and making it into a little race car ha

So dude, what is the insurance co. going to give you? What car are you planning on buying with that money?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[MazdaVK5]

im really not too sure i want to keep it original i mean it dont get much more original than tha P5 tho im leanin towards an older integra and doing a newer GSR engine swap but im also trying to cut a deal with insurance to keep the car

[MazdaVK5]

jus a few pics

[bazooka joe]

jus a few pics
ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sad1)

[Newf]

sorry to hear this man

[eting_pro5]

My sister did a solid $3,000 damage on winter, and then next winter totaled her Grand Am. Both were in snowy conditions.

I can't even count the number of times she got stuck in snowbanks...she wasn't the smartest driver (and still isn't has like 4 tickets in the past 2-3 years)

At the time I was 14. I can remember the way she drove, how she'd slide past turns and spin around in subs....that stuff used to scare the shit out of me, i never wanted to drive in the snow.

But now that i've driven through two winters, i realize there was nothing scary about the snow, just my sister! The Dunlops have never done me wrong. I can remember my sister always blaming her car on the bad snow driving (yet the 20 other kids at my school driving Grand Ams never had problems)

The point is...the tires don't suck in the snow, the car doesn't suck in the snow, the driver just doesn't respect the snow.

[alexlitov]

doesn't look that bad actually. Even the hood looks like it received no damage...

[tttP5]

that looks like a little too little damage to be totalled..

what a good insurance compnay you have. who are you with?

[Lord_Zath]

Well perhaps frame damage? Looking closely at the closeup picture, I can see the yellow frame on the inside is twisted. Also I noticed the tire looks like it might be flat. That makes me think possible wheel damage. My girlfriend had a similar accident once in her civic. No frame damage, but replacing the whole front end AND the entire front wheel assembly cost the insurance company well over 10k. Also, the hood would probably have to be replaced otherwise it might not rest flush with the new body panels...

I think the problem with our cars is NOT the dunlops. It's the way they handle in the summer compared to winter. The reason they handle so differently: weight. Our cars are very light and while it aids greatly in cornering, it makes things very difficult in slippery conditions. We just have to realize this and compensate for it.

LZ

[taylor5]

You know about those Dunlops,

After carefully maintaining them and doing the rotations, at around 12K with no alignment troubles, I was cruising up I-40 to Asheville, NC in a mild rainstorm. The speed limit was 70mph and I was doing around 63mph because of the rain. I noticed the tires kept doing this skip/grab kinda thing and wanted to hydroplane. Even when I slowed down to 55mph, it kept doing it. All that and nearly getting mowed over by everyone coming up on me fast and flying by me, including some elderly lady in a Geo Metro.

I have driven in all kinds of storms....rain, hurricanes, snow, ice and every other imaginable kind with no trouble (I started driving with my pop when I was 12....yea yea I know...illegal). I have never had tires act like this when they were still so young! I noticed that some of you have said "they are great in the summer and when it is dry". I noticed that too. But it is not always like that when your travelling, so to me that makes them useless!

I switched to some new ones right away and when I traded the P5 those newer tires had about 18K on em' with no troubles whatsoever in any kind of weather. I respect everyones' opinion on this, but I thought I should get my two cents in because of what happened to me.

It could be driver error on our "totaled" guy here, could be tires, could be both, who knows.....But that car does not look totaled....Unless that frame really took a beating.......Strange.

[Fluffy Bunny]

I think looks can be deceiving on modern cars as far as damage is concerned. Vehicle are designed to bend and absorb damage so the soft stuff on the inside stays in one piece.

I think if you removed the bumper cover and fender the frame rail on the passenger side might be toast. Kind of scary to think a pretty minor fender bender like this could total a car.

Here is what @15 to 20 mph will do to a '62 Studebaker Lark when I t-boned a 1996 Galant in 2000. The Studebaker only suffered superficial damage - Galant totaled

[Togan]

if ur tires were grated if u burnt out alot, then u lost the thread due to burnt outs and lost traction, i highly support dunlop tires its the best stock tires u can get

[Togan]

a front right tire*, and i dont kno the tires were just spinnin i really never had too much control

next time dont put the pedal to the metal when its slippery (boom02)

[MazdaVK5]

i hav commerce insurance which i am droppin as soon as my check comes in(i HATE them), i dont kno wat i was thinkn that night it all jus kinda happnd i have been lookn into getn another P5 but ive been lookn into older 240sx and dropping a sr20det swap, great for drifting=) but it wont handle as nice as the P5

[sharkonwheels]

bad tires? they aren't that bad man. what exactly happened..?


Man...them 5000SP's totally SUCK!!! Noone here lives in the wet? Man, you can't go freaking 30MPH on I-95 without being a damn hovercraft.
The crappy Eagle GS-C's on my TurboBug could do 60+ before hydroplaning
as severely as those things do.
I called Mazda and complained to them, and told them they were gonna end up with a buttload of lawsuits if they continue using those piece of crap tires.

I never like DUnlop anyways....'cept motorycle tires.

[banned bandit]

ya i had the same problems with my dunlops in wet weather...they have that skip and grab effect on them now with 40 000km on them needless to say i'll be replacing them in the summer

PS: don't worry i have some goodyear ice grip winter tires on right now

[JOS3]

I am driving on the stock dunlops - second winter in a row. You just need to use your head when snow is on the ground.

(werd)

this is also my second winter with my stock dunlops and i havent had a ny problems (knock on wood). i dont have ABS either. you just have to use your head.

[bradman]

I had to make a trip through the Rockies this winter so I purchased a set of winter tires and rims (Nexen tires) and the improvement was hugee. High speed braking was much more controlled, as was accelleration and turning. Never got stuck in snow and driving on ice was not a problem. I just put my dunlops back on and instantly noticed the difference. The rubber is much harder and suited for summer conditions. At least they'll last longer...

[Mr. Win]

Man...them 5000SP's totally SUCK!!! Noone here lives in the wet? Man, you can't go freaking 30MPH on I-95 without being a damn hovercraft.
The crappy Eagle GS-C's on my TurboBug could do 60+ before hydroplaning
as severely as those things do.
I called Mazda and complained to them, and told them they were gonna end up with a buttload of lawsuits if they continue using those piece of crap tires.

I never like DUnlop anyways....'cept motorycle tires.

i live in south fl as well and i never felt safe driving on them i changed when i bought rims. kuhmos 711s could stick

[NRRfrogmanP5]

i think the tires are fine i live through chicago winters and im fine in the snow

[round00]

I am soooo tired of people blaming their accidents "bad tires" instead of on what really caused their accidents: "bad driving."

Dude, I could drive around on slicks and not get in an accident in the snow. It is the driving, not the tires. If you know you got shitty tires, slow down.

Simple as that.

[P-Funk!]

Hey! MazdaVK5! Can i have your MAF sensor plug and as much wire as you can reach (just cut it) (just the 3 pin connector - not the sensor).

Please?

Can i? Can, i huh?