Honda part on a Mazda?

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

I custom fit a honda intake tube on my miata. Why should I pay some company $190 when I can buy and custom fit $60 worth of parts to make it myself? And it's more free flowing.

Check it out:

This is the Racing Beat part that costs $190:
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mazdaspeedgirl/racingbeat_intake.jpg

This is it installed:
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mazdaspeedgirl/racingbeat_intake_installed.jpg
All it does is replace the airbox. It still has the squishy "plubber" intake tube. (plubber=not hard plastic, but not soft rubber :D )

Here's the Honda tube that I fitted to my car:
http://www.mazdamp3.com/members/Mazdaspeedgirl/akio_intake.jpg

:D

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

why is it that sometimes the pictures won't show up?!?!??!
grrrr...

[Turbo Matty P]

looks good....does it feel any different??? No wait, that was in refference to your nipples...

As for the miata, looks good, you should notice a gain!

[black_rob00]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
[B]looks good....does it feel any different??? No wait, that was in refference to your nipples...

(lol)

I would do the same thing.. It's cheaper..

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
looks good....does it feel any different??? No wait, that was in refference to your nipples...
(lol2)


As for the miata, looks good, you should notice a gain!
Actually I noticed more of a gain through the powerband than I ever thought I would. I figured "yah, a little bit of pickup", but it is a very noticable difference from stock!
Maybe it's because the car is so light? (shrug)

[Turbo Matty P]

stock miata airbox is crud.....too many sharp bends, not big enough....personally i like the ram air hoods best!

your car and nips look great.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
stock miata airbox is crud.....too many sharp bends, not big enough....personally i like the ram air hoods best!
right! Have you seen the inlet for the stock miata airbox?? it's a smushed oval shape that is (I SWEAR) only 2.5" x 1"!! (notcool)



your car and nips look great.
uhhh...thanx...(lol2)

[Turbo Matty P]

the raim air hood is a great idea if you're really concerned about airflow. Also dont overlook the dizzying power of the JacksonRacing SC on the miata. VERY fun to drive.


p.s. About your boobs. Ever thought about boob modeling....like doing ads for watches. Just lay the watch across your boob..."Seiko, beauty redfined as art.." something cheesy like that. I'd buy THAT watch.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
the raim air hood is a great idea if you're really concerned about airflow. Also dont overlook the dizzying power of the JacksonRacing SC on the miata. VERY fun to drive.

I am still pondering the "supercharger or turbo" thing for my miata.
tooo...hard...to........deCIDE!!!


p.s. About your boobs. Ever thought about boob modeling....like doing ads for watches. Just lay the watch across your boob..."Seiko, beauty redfined as art.." something cheesy like that. I'd buy THAT watch.
(rofl2)(lol)

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

and what ram air hood? for the miata?!?!

[Turbo Matty P]

i dont remember the company that makes it, but it's basically got a scoop on drivers side with mesh screen on top and you rplace the stock air box with theirs (no lid) and new hard piping. The hood seals the top of the taller box and it's true ram air. Also it looked sweet as hell.

SC over turbo anyday of the week...Turbo will make more overall power, but the SC will completely enhancce the overall driveability of the miata. You dont want to be deep in a turn and then have boost come on and spin you out.


p.s. boob boob booby boob tit nip nip tit

[Keith@FP]

Yeah, but the JR SC makes no power. My naturally aspirated 1990 makes as much power as a JR 1990. Now, if you want a REAL SC, come talk to us :D

Turbos and supers have different characteristics and it only takes a little while to become accustomed to the power delivery of a turbo. As an example, I recently ran a track day at LVMS. I was jumping back and forth between my n/a car with race tires and a fairly high-hp turbo car on street tires. Never had trouble controlling the latter. For the racetrack (and I mean the kind that has corners), I think a turbo is more fun than a super. For hooning around the street, a good SC is a real kick in the pants.

As for the intake - I'd get a cold air box around that thing. You're sucking up a lot of header heat. That 10AE will also benefit from a good header as the stock exhaust manifold is poor by Miata standards. There's nothing that makes a length of aluminum tube a "Honda part" or a "Mazda part"...

Keith

[Turbo Matty P]

i'd have to see your SC set up to put any faith in it, but my jackson racing civic made assloads of power and was very fun to drive. I expect you guys at FM/FP to endorse TC since thats what you make and sell. What is better about your SC than JR's?

p.s. boob titty boob boob

[Kooldino]

Damn, Keith beat me to it...but yeah, your intake sits around your exhaust manifold. That can't be good for intake temps.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Keith@FP
There's nothing that makes a length of aluminum tube a "Honda part" or a "Mazda part"...
Obviously I know that, but I though it was an attention-getting title. It was sarcastic. :p


As for the intake - I'd get a cold air box around that thing. You're sucking up a lot of header heat.
Oh, definately. I just need to get a hold of some materials to make one. I just need to make it easily removable since I am still participating in C Stock this year. I hope my Borla muffler won't kick me into a modded class. Does anyone know offhand if mufflers are allowed in C Stock?


That 10AE will also benefit from a good header as the stock exhaust manifold is poor by Miata standards.
Yep. I have seen the dyno sheets from various websites showing the max increase in hp for the M2 header.
BUT, if I decide to go turbo, it would be wasted money


Yeah, but the JR SC makes no power. My naturally aspirated 1990 makes as much power as a JR 1990. Now, if you want a REAL SC, come talk to us :D

Turbos and supers have different characteristics and it only takes a little while to become accustomed to the power delivery of a turbo. As an example, I recently ran a track day at LVMS. I was jumping back and forth between my n/a car with race tires and a fairly high-hp turbo car on street tires. Never had trouble controlling the latter. For the racetrack (and I mean the kind that has corners), I think a turbo is more fun than a super. For hooning around the street, a good SC is a real kick in the pants.
Good info, as I AM researching for a kit. FMs are highly recommended, and I would want a smaller turbo that spools faster because I autocross. Max hp is not what I am going for with my 10AE (that's what the rotary miata project is for).

At the earliest I am gong to boost the 10AE at the end of the 2004 autocross season. My goal is to aquire as much seat time in C Stock as possible to learn the car well before I add power.

It is VERY difficult to discipline myself to not boost the car now, as I have the cash right now. :'(

But if all goes as planned this season, it will be well worth the wait. :)

[pluto316]

It must suck to have a N/A Mazda. Even worse to drive such a GAY car too.


HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!

[Keith@FP]

Superchargers? Okay.

The JR SC was designed to be simple to install. The blower used (an Eaton M45) was small and sized to feed a 1.6 at 6 psi. At this level, it was actually pretty close to the edge of the efficiency envelope. As the engines got bigger and the heads got better, the poor blower had a harder and harder time moving enough air. Intake temps went through the roof and it got to the point where an 8 psi pulley really didn't make any difference. The Roots blower isn't terribly efficient at the best of times - on a 6 psi 1.6, the intake temperature is often above the boiling point of water! To make things worse, it's mounted on the exhaust side of the engine. I think the Honda ones are on a custom intake manifold, no?

True story - we had a car delivered to FM that was going to have the JR SC removed and one of our turbo systems installed. That's a surprisingly common thing. One of our employees took the car out for a short run. When she got back, we asked her if the owner had removed the SC before he shipped the car to us. She couldn't tell - we had to go pop the hood. Yup, it was still there...

You can upgrade a JR SC with air/water intercoolers, water injection, internal modifications and smaller pulleys. But by the time you've extracted everything you can, you're still way behind. Keep reading for proof.

Our own SC uses a 1.2l Whipple twin screw. Not only is this blower inherently more efficient than a Roots, but it's sized to provide huge amounts of power if needed - over 300 rwhp. It's mounted on a custom intake manifold with an air/air intercooler for low intake temps that are only just above ambient. Our setup is still in the final stages of development, but we've got some beginning dyno runs. There's a whole lot more power left to unlock.

Proof?
Dyno chart 1. (http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs/sc_comparison.pdf)
The red lines are a 1.8l Miata with a JR SC. It's got all the bells, whistles and magic boxes on it. We're unsure as to whether it was running 6 or 8 psi - nobody remembers.
The green lines are the same car on the fourth run. The fluid for the air/water intercooler has heat-soaked.
The blue is one of our prototype cars. It's the same model year of car with no other mods other than our SC setup and a similar exhaust to the other car. There's certainly more power to be found in tuning (it was running much too rich) and we have to figure why it's falling off at the top end, but I think you get the idea. With the air/air, there is no heatsoak. The price of the system is about the same as the investment in the JR SC at this point.

Dyno chart 2. (http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_runs/laffey_vs_laffey.pdf)
There's that same JR SC on the blue lines.
The red lines? Same car with an FM II turbo bolted on along with a turbo exhaust. No headwork, no internal changes, just bolt it up and go. Again, the price of the system is similar to the JR SC we took off.

More info on the FM Übercharger can be found on our website (http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/ubercharger.asp)

Keith

[kcbhiw]

Originally posted by Mazdaspeedgirl
Obviously I know that, but I though it was an attention-getting title. It was sarcastic. :p


Oh, definately. I just need to get a hold of some materials to make one. I just need to make it easily removable since I am still participating in C Stock this year. I hope my Borla muffler won't kick me into a modded class. Does anyone know offhand if mufflers are allowed in C Stock?

[/b]
Yep. I have seen the dyno sheets from various websites showing the max increase in hp for the M2 header.
BUT, if I decide to go turbo, it would be wasted money

[/b]
Good info, as I AM researching for a kit. FMs are highly recommended, and I would want a smaller turbo that spools faster because I autocross. Max hp is not what I am going for with my 10AE (that's what the rotary miata project is for).

At the earliest I am gong to boost the 10AE at the end of the 2004 autocross season. My goal is to aquire as much seat time in C Stock as possible to learn the car well before I add power.

It is VERY difficult to discipline myself to not boost the car now, as I have the cash right now. :'(

But if all goes as planned this season, it will be well worth the wait. :) [/B]

The muffler is fine for stock. Anything from the cat back is OK for stock classes.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by kcbhiw
The muffler is fine for stock. Anything from the cat back is OK for stock classes.

Thanks Kevin. :)

[Turbo Matty P]

Keith, your "ubercharger" puts out impressive peak numbers. One thing to notice though is the power curves for the JRSC. Look at how flat it is from start to finish. Your power curve is more like a turbo with little to no increase on the bottom end but a hefty increase up top. In my MSP I raced several JRSC miatas and I was able to pass them at Road Atlanta. The turbo is much stronger but their power delivery is unbelieveable. The JRSC is like having a larger motor under the hood. Iagree with you about heat soak and intake air temps but there are other ways to dissipate that heat. I'm not a big fan of water injection but it has been shown to lower temps. Also injecting a small amount of N20 into the intake charge will do wonders for that temperature problem!!

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Keith@FP

More info on the FM Übercharger can be found on our website (http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/ubercharger.asp)

Keith
Okay, so you have sold me on FM (more so than I was per recommendations).

Now the deliberation on turbo vs. SC continues...:D

Thank you for the info Keith.

AND it's coldside! Nice.

[Turbo Matty P]

p.s. My MSP @ 11psi would outrun a T3 turbo'd miata on the drag strip. The old fart driving it didn't know what hit him.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Oh, that's DAN's car! I know him from the Austin miata club. I haven't talked to him since way before I moved to kentucky.

So his is the prototype, eh? Sweet. I knew he was trying a new SC, but I didn't know it was FM's. I did hear that he really liked it and placed well at Nationals with it.

Well, I'm sold.

Must...resist...urge to....buy now....:'(

[Keith@FP]

Originally posted by Turbo Matty P
Keith, your "ubercharger" puts out impressive peak numbers. One thing to notice though is the power curves for the JRSC. Look at how flat it is from start to finish. Your power curve is more like a turbo with little to no increase on the bottom end but a hefty increase up top.

Umm, what dyno chart are you looking at? On chart 1, the BLUE line is the Uber. Do you need to see a comparison to stock? The stock cars peak at about 95 ft-lb. The Ubercharger never puts out LESS than 135. I've driven all of these cars, and I can tell you that the Uber does NOT have a turbo-like power delivery. Just the opposite, it's probably the easiest car I've driven for hanging the tail out anytime, anywhere. A JR SC feels like a slightly larger motor, the Uber feels like a V8 that can rev.

Ahh, I see what you mean. A note on reading dyno charts - depending on the dyno operator and how they synchronise the start of the run and throttle application, there can be some artifacts at the start and finish of the run. The Ubercharger chart doesn't really start until 2100 rpm. That dip at the beginning is the throttle opening as the operator started the run before he had his foot down. I did not perform the test of the Uber in this instance.

If your MSP was outrunning a T3-powered Miata, then either the Miata driver was clueless or it was a particularly inept installation. Remember that just putting a turbo on is the easy part. A T3 Miata has the capability of 250 whp easily, in a car that's about 500 lbs lighter than an MSP and which is RWD.

Keith

[Keith@FP]

The charts on our website are Dan's car, but that's with the initial prototype. He's getting the new one right now and it should do better. He's also building the engine up so he can run a tad more boost. Expect to see numbers closer to 300 from him eventually :)

The charts I just posted are from another car. I used it because it's a 1996, similar to the JR SC car. Dan has a 1999 with a better head.

Keith

[Natey]

That looks good and clean (thumb), but if you shop around you ain't gonna pay $190 for the Racing Beat.

I got my RB elbow from the www.miata.net classifieds for 70 bucks shipped from some guy that bought a supercharger.

[Natey]

Also, I agree with Keith about the turbo vs. S/C. If and when it's time to boost my 2001, it'll be "flyin' ".
I have a feeling that down the line, I'll want to be able to turn up the boost, y'know? (laugh)

[Keith@FP]

One of the reasons that we're developing a SC with some "headroom". Boost is seriously addictive.

The turbo vs SC thing will never go away. Aston Martin uses superchargers. Ferrari and Porsche use turbochargers. Mercedes uses...both. I was talking to Brian Goodwin at the Vegas day about the various characteristics. My opinion (if I had to go forced induction) is that I'd take a turbo for the track and a super for the street, he would choose exactly the opposite.

Actually, my own preference is to "add lightness", thus my current project. Instead of doubling the horsepower of the car, I'm going to cut the weight in half.
Keith

[RyanJayG]

Whipples are awesome.... get the Ubercharger....

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Ubercharger it is.

I am so excited!!

[jflo]

do u think this would work for the 1.6L ? 'cause apparently there was some big difference between teh 1.6 and 1.8 when racing beat made their intakes or something..

[mp5smuggler]

i used a 99 civic intake on my 02 mp5 and it works great

[Keith@FP]

The air flow meter is different on the 1.6, so you'll have to adapt to the different fitment. Keep in mind that when you replace the stock crossover tube, you're also removing a resonance chamber that helps with torque around 3000 rpm. This is not always to your benefit.

Keith

[Pitlab77]

dont forget brants stuff if you are looking at S/C

(M62)

http://www.brperformance.com/



as for me, i will stick with my turbo :)

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Originally posted by Pitlab77
as for me, i will stick with my turbo :)
That's cool, but I am thinking of winning, not high hp. :)
Dan is doing VERY well with the FM SC; much better than he did with his turbo setup. (thumb)

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

I have to go with FM though because of their solid rep and not to mention, the Ubercharger is coldside!

sorry, just over zealous about it. :)

[Pitlab77]

That's cool, but I am thinking of winning, not high hp. :)
Dan is doing VERY well with the FM SC; much better than he did with his turbo setup. (thumb)
and he did very well while turbo. Its more of the driver (him)
a proper sized turbo is all you need

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

true, but his skills didn't change that drastically from one season to the next. :D

I am getting impatient...may do a turbo. :-\

[Pitlab77]

true, but his skills didn't change that drastically from one season to the next. :D

I am getting impatient...may do a turbo. :-\
He did good before. All i see is hime getting more practice. Even others that have made custom "ubercharge" like systems still prefer a good sized turbo

[MiaTurbo]

I like to use universal parts on my car: duct tape. One of these days, I'll post a picture of my intake...

edit: here you go :p The bit on the right was supose to help keep the bellows part from expanding. Oh well.
The bit in the middle was because it was rubbing on the coolant line behind it.
The best part is the bit right before the intake. I had a plug in there because i took off the resenance chamber. it came off in turn 14 at VIR. So I was in the pits, with nothing to plug this hole with. i took a rag, stuffed it in there tight, and wrapped the whole thing real good :D I haven't had a problem since. I know, I know, I'll be installing a BOV soon.

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

(lol) That's great man! :D Now all you need is some bailing wire... ;)

[MiaTurbo]

(lol) That's great man! :D Now all you need is some bailing wire... ;)Nah, I use zip ties :p

When you're coming down the Roller Coaster, and into the Hog Pin at VIR, and your intake keeps popping off, you do what you gotta do. I actually put in a BOV last weekend, so all that is gone now. Dam duct tape leaves a bunch of residue, thou...
http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/164000-164999/164832_74_full.jpg

next is an intercooler. but my weekends are booked solid until mid July.. Gotta do something before Summit Point in Aug.

[speedhawaii]

nice. custom are always cool

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

Nah, I use zip ties :pLMAO!! Ahhh... the imports' answer to american bailing wire. :D

[Mazdaspeedgirl]

nice. custom are always coolYah, but untried and tested can equal issues, like the tube blowing off the connector. (lol2) I fixed that issue. (ricer)